I almost wish we were playing Indiana at some point this year so we could start a "Hoosier Dadi" chant. Oh well, maybe after making the big bucks in the NFL he'll buy Hoosier Tires and rename the company. (joke adapted from an old Tonight Show bit)
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This all presupposes that all three of these QB's will make it out of training camp fully healthy. If I were a betting man, I'd bet that one of them doesn't.
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For the record - Braxton Miller is one of the most fragile, among elite, athletes I have ever seen. He has never played a complete season without missing games. JT Barrett is among the toughest QB's I have seen. He played with a grade II MCL sprain/strain at Penn State and won the game with 2 tough runs. I had a grade II MCL sp/st once. I missed 2 games and cried to be held by my Mama. It took a tib/fib fracture to take him out. As far as I know, Cardale has never been hurt. He seems to hurt other people more than get hurt. At 6-5, 250 (or so) I wouldn't want to tackle him. If I were placing bets on who would get hurt in fall camp, my money would be on Braxton. But as I have said other places on this forum, I think he will be a slot/H-Back, RB, WR, situational-Wildcat QB, not the main guy. If Ohio State has him healthy and available, he will be a nightmare for anyone trying to defend him, but he can't do much sitting on the training table.
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Cardale is the one that I think can do the most damage. He has a cannon arm, accurate deep ball, and is not afraid to tuck in run. We have to hit him early, often, and with bad intention. It is the only way to disrupt the timing.
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I think Miller is the most talented of the bunch and Barrett is the best true quarterback. From what I recall Miller was very inaccurate at times and Cardale Jones was easily the worst at reading defenses. Jones was essentially just asked not to lose the game for them and to take deep shots. I don't know that his deep ball accuracy was any better than the others.
Personally, I would rather see Cardale Jones. He honestly struggled some against Bama and I think his running abilities are somewhat overrated- he's much less of a threat in the read option game compared to the other two.
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Pretty good for someone who isn't a Buckeye fan. Miller is a guy you can't game plan for because of his improvisation. He is the most dangerous when a play breaks down. The second he takes off to run, he is a threat to take it to the house. He's Vick-ish that way - if that's not offensive. The best way to describe his passing is at the end of the 1st half vs. Wisconsin in 2013. He throws an wounded duck that should have been intercepted by the DB except he had hands of stone. On the next play he throws an absolute dart 45 yards for a TD. He's like a box of chocolates when he throws the ball. The staple play in the Urban Meyer offense is the zone read. Braxton reads that play wrong about half the time, but because he is a freak, he makes it work anyway most of the time.
No one has ever run Urban Meyer's offense with more efficiency than JT Barrett - not Tebow, Smith, or Miller. The guy was responsible for 45 TD's last year (34 pass, 11 run) in 11 3/4 games. The VT game aside, he is the best at running the entire offense, using all the weapons available, scoring more, and punting less. He doesn't have the explosive play-making ability of Miller, and he can't put a ball in a 12" window 50 yards downfield like Jones, but he has the touch and accuracy, and ability to read defenses, that allows him to convert that 3rd and 7 pass.
Cardale can't run the lateral option. He ran it once against Wisconsin, fell on his butt, and that entire concept was taken out of the playbook. What Cardale can do is throw the ball way, way downfield accurately, and he gives you the ability to do power, straight-ahead running with the QB - which is a great compliment to power zone running plays from the RB.
I know last year's game gives Hokie fans a dim view of Barrett, but if I was a homer on this board, I would want to see one of the other 2, and what would be the worst scenario would be Miller at another position, with JT being the main distributor, and Cardale adding his element intermittently. It makes so much sense - which is why I have no confidence it will happen.
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The reason that JT is sometimes seen as the starter that VT should least fear comes from the type of QB that VTs defense normally struggles with. Bud Foster's strategy is usually to 1. Take away the run & 2. Take away easy high percentage throws forcing the offense to try and complete low percentage throws down the field. The times that VTs defense typically struggles are usually one of two situations: First against elete QBs that eventually become NFL starters because they're able to complete those low percentage passes, which plays to Jones' strengths. The other is elusive QBs who are able to break contain and get around or through the pass rush, this plays towards Miller's strengths. I would say that Jones is the QB that I'd least like VT to face because he makes it harder for us to play the safeties downhill against the run.
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I don't think our gameplan really changes for any of the three. Heavy pressure to disrupt timing in the passing game, take away the quick routes, and in a similar fashion to GT, force the QB to keep the ball on the option, and make him pay for it. If Braxton lines up at any other position than QB, it will be mainly as a decoy. No doubt he is talented and could take it to the house with the ball in his hands, but a guy who has played QB his entire career and missed a full season is likely not going to suddenly become an unstoppable WR/RB in one offseason. He will have a very limited role if he is not the starting QB.
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I 100% agree with this. Foster will prep his strategy the same no matter what. What I think will change is some of the fine tuning that won't really get installed until game week. If we lose I don't see Foster saying anything to affect that he wasn't ready for (x) QB.
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Whoever starts I have faith that Bud has a plan. And that plan likely includes sending Dadi and Ken at the QB like a pair of guided missiles.
I am guessing given their susceptibility to injuries all 3 will see the field that day compliments of "Who's your Dadi?"
I almost wish we were playing Indiana at some point this year so we could start a "Hoosier Dadi" chant. Oh well, maybe after making the big bucks in the NFL he'll buy Hoosier Tires and rename the company. (joke adapted from an old Tonight Show bit)
This all presupposes that all three of these QB's will make it out of training camp fully healthy. If I were a betting man, I'd bet that one of them doesn't.
Well I'm glad we never have that problem /s
For the record - Braxton Miller is one of the most fragile, among elite, athletes I have ever seen. He has never played a complete season without missing games. JT Barrett is among the toughest QB's I have seen. He played with a grade II MCL sprain/strain at Penn State and won the game with 2 tough runs. I had a grade II MCL sp/st once. I missed 2 games and cried to be held by my Mama. It took a tib/fib fracture to take him out. As far as I know, Cardale has never been hurt. He seems to hurt other people more than get hurt. At 6-5, 250 (or so) I wouldn't want to tackle him. If I were placing bets on who would get hurt in fall camp, my money would be on Braxton. But as I have said other places on this forum, I think he will be a slot/H-Back, RB, WR, situational-Wildcat QB, not the main guy. If Ohio State has him healthy and available, he will be a nightmare for anyone trying to defend him, but he can't do much sitting on the training table.
Cardale is the one that I think can do the most damage. He has a cannon arm, accurate deep ball, and is not afraid to tuck in run. We have to hit him early, often, and with bad intention. It is the only way to disrupt the timing.
I think Miller is the most talented of the bunch and Barrett is the best true quarterback. From what I recall Miller was very inaccurate at times and Cardale Jones was easily the worst at reading defenses. Jones was essentially just asked not to lose the game for them and to take deep shots. I don't know that his deep ball accuracy was any better than the others.
Personally, I would rather see Cardale Jones. He honestly struggled some against Bama and I think his running abilities are somewhat overrated- he's much less of a threat in the read option game compared to the other two.
Pretty good for someone who isn't a Buckeye fan. Miller is a guy you can't game plan for because of his improvisation. He is the most dangerous when a play breaks down. The second he takes off to run, he is a threat to take it to the house. He's Vick-ish that way - if that's not offensive. The best way to describe his passing is at the end of the 1st half vs. Wisconsin in 2013. He throws an wounded duck that should have been intercepted by the DB except he had hands of stone. On the next play he throws an absolute dart 45 yards for a TD. He's like a box of chocolates when he throws the ball. The staple play in the Urban Meyer offense is the zone read. Braxton reads that play wrong about half the time, but because he is a freak, he makes it work anyway most of the time.
No one has ever run Urban Meyer's offense with more efficiency than JT Barrett - not Tebow, Smith, or Miller. The guy was responsible for 45 TD's last year (34 pass, 11 run) in 11 3/4 games. The VT game aside, he is the best at running the entire offense, using all the weapons available, scoring more, and punting less. He doesn't have the explosive play-making ability of Miller, and he can't put a ball in a 12" window 50 yards downfield like Jones, but he has the touch and accuracy, and ability to read defenses, that allows him to convert that 3rd and 7 pass.
Cardale can't run the lateral option. He ran it once against Wisconsin, fell on his butt, and that entire concept was taken out of the playbook. What Cardale can do is throw the ball way, way downfield accurately, and he gives you the ability to do power, straight-ahead running with the QB - which is a great compliment to power zone running plays from the RB.
I know last year's game gives Hokie fans a dim view of Barrett, but if I was a homer on this board, I would want to see one of the other 2, and what would be the worst scenario would be Miller at another position, with JT being the main distributor, and Cardale adding his element intermittently. It makes so much sense - which is why I have no confidence it will happen.
The reason that JT is sometimes seen as the starter that VT should least fear comes from the type of QB that VTs defense normally struggles with. Bud Foster's strategy is usually to 1. Take away the run & 2. Take away easy high percentage throws forcing the offense to try and complete low percentage throws down the field. The times that VTs defense typically struggles are usually one of two situations: First against elete QBs that eventually become NFL starters because they're able to complete those low percentage passes, which plays to Jones' strengths. The other is elusive QBs who are able to break contain and get around or through the pass rush, this plays towards Miller's strengths. I would say that Jones is the QB that I'd least like VT to face because he makes it harder for us to play the safeties downhill against the run.
I don't think our gameplan really changes for any of the three. Heavy pressure to disrupt timing in the passing game, take away the quick routes, and in a similar fashion to GT, force the QB to keep the ball on the option, and make him pay for it. If Braxton lines up at any other position than QB, it will be mainly as a decoy. No doubt he is talented and could take it to the house with the ball in his hands, but a guy who has played QB his entire career and missed a full season is likely not going to suddenly become an unstoppable WR/RB in one offseason. He will have a very limited role if he is not the starting QB.
I 100% agree with this. Foster will prep his strategy the same no matter what. What I think will change is some of the fine tuning that won't really get installed until game week. If we lose I don't see Foster saying anything to affect that he wasn't ready for (x) QB.