Class IV
Honor System probation and education, recommended double-weighted zero grade on the assignment or on any grade affected by the offense, one term suspension (exclud- ing summer) by Honor System Review Board action.
Class V
Honor System probation and education, F* grade in the course (F by Honor System Re- view Board action), either one or two terms of suspension (excluding summer).
Foster's defense relies so much on a free hitter being able to make plays in space and fill his gap correctly. Remember the BC game in 13? The final TD was because of a poor fill. CJ did an outstanding job throughout most of the spring in coming up and making plays, and I'm not 100% convinced we have another rover who can do that as well. One miss by the rover and we're giving up a huge play.
As for some of the other guys people have mentioned, Ford and Bucky would be big losses, but if only one of them went down we'd still have other guys (Malleck, Philips) who could at least pick up the slack. Motu is a question mark himself, so right now he can't be considered indispensable. Really the only other guy who has a case is Sam Rogers cause, well, Sam Rogers.
And I'll agree that one injury to just about any OLineman and we're up a creek, but I was mostly referring to defensive players. I think we could even lose a DE and Dooley would do just fine. Rover is the only position where a loss seems like it would seriously handicap the defense, as it takes away our best free hitter and forces Foster and Gray to shuffle guys around and probably limits what they can do in the back end.
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It's possible, but that still leaves the issue of what Torrian can do with the secondary as a whole, especially is Facyson has any issues with his leg.
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if reavis is not back I hope we see Brandon slide over to FS and move chuck to rover. Brandon seems like a very intelligent guy that could make the calls and it would take some pressure off of him coming back and giving him a bit more of a cushion than he's used to at CB. Then you have riley who played CB most of last year, stroman (who TG has said will play on sundays) and mook for the CB/nickel spots.
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Totally disagree with this idea. Moving a guy who has barely played since Nov 2013 to a position he's never played before from his natural position is the wrong move. This is real football, not a video game.
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No, but for his corners that means they play left and right corner, so they get experience with both the boundary and field responsibilities. I'd be fairly surprised if Facyson has taken any reps at either safety spot since his first spring.
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There is probably a reason why our last two 3-year starting safeties started at corner don't you think? They build the solid coverage foundation then bud has moved them back there (Jarrett and bonner amongst many others).
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They start there, and their experience at corner definitely helps them develop as good safeties, but you can't expect a guy who has never repped the position to come in and perform at a high level. Besides, with as good as he's been at corner, I don't see Gray moving him.
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ya I'm not disagreeing that he may not play at a high level, but it's not like we have anyone else that is a sure fire thing there or we wouldn't be having this discussion. My suggestion was based on the fact that theoretically that should get the best secondary players on the field. Like I mentioned TG has said stroman is a sunday player and they sold mook on being the next kyle fuller. We know kendall is going to be. Chuck Clark has the potential to be our next safety drafted IMO and if Brandon is healthy i'm fairly confident he'll be a mid round pick. The move for Brandon was more to give him a bit more of a cushion, which plays well to his play style and ability to read the qb and break quickly on the ball.
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Everything you're saying makes sense... in theory. With the shuffling TG has done before, I wouldn't put it past him, but it wouldn't be my first move as a secondary coach. But, I guess that's why I don't make hundreds of thousands of dollars a year and put DB after DB in the NFL.
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Consider that this is a huge blow not just to the secondary, but to Special Teams as well. Considering CJ's play last season on ST and the plays he made in Spring. This is a loss that hurts deeply.
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If Reavis doesn't return, Virginia Tech could look to a number of different players to fill the rover position, including senior Donovan Riley, junior Desmond Frye, redshirt sophomore Anthony Shegog, redshirt freshman Terrell Edmunds or true freshman Adonis Alexander.
- Andy Bitter
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It sounded like Beamer had some idea this was coming. Or could be coming, at least. Hopefully this isn't as big of a shock to the coaches as it is to us.
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If the lawyer is saying there is no criminal charge, the only thing I can think of is cheating in some fashion. But even that doesn't seem to be enough to just be removed from the university immediately.
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With the glut of bad news in the last few days, this is probably an opportune time to point this out:
After having a conversation w/cashier at Food Lion she says, "you must be a football player, ask me how I know" I say maybe from my build.— J.C. Coleman (@jc_coleman4) July 9, 2015
#LT She says, "No, all of the VT football players that come here are so nice and polite, and always use Yes M'am and Yes Sir. I love it"— J.C. Coleman (@jc_coleman4) July 9, 2015
#LT Moral of the story, to all my teammates, keep up the good work man. Somebody's always paying attention to you! #ThingsYouDontHear— J.C. Coleman (@jc_coleman4) July 9, 2015
Despite some isolated issues, I am proud to say that the majority of our Hokies are doing things the right way and are excellent representatives of VT.
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Funny how that works, too. For every thing that goes wrong, there are multiple things that go right. Polite and respectful attitudes in public go much further on the positive side than mistakes and transgressions go on the negative, unless you are predisposed to focus or revel in the bad stuff.
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Great read, and that doesn't surprise me about Coleman. He showed his true colors of maturity, character, and heart when he was down on the depth chart. But as we all know, he persevered and rebounded in a big way and will be a real asset for our ground attack this year.
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Yes, 100x yes.
He was ready to go when his number was called and by the power of Greystoke he did go, like a banshee.
I would hire that guy in a second if I had a job he qualified for. He44, I bet I could teach him into any job he wanted.
I got so proud of Coleman the end of last season...
ugh, I'm gushing, sorry.
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Thank you. And to pile on positively, contrast the following (not knowing the details yet):
One school has an individual player allegedly commit an offense and is brought before the council...another school has university sham courses for 18 years and is having to publicly defend its actions.....
Just saying.....
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JC and RVD worked the War equipment room for a bit this summer... those guys are total first class. What personable, phenomenal people. I am a huge JC fan for sure.
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There are some very tough times ahead for this program, I wish CJ the best of luck and I hope things work out for him as not only will this impact him but us as program. After this year their will be many choices to be made by Whit, and I hope they work out for the best!
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This scares the hell out of me because your inside info is rarely inaccurate and always meshes with things I know. How bad could it new though if we're not talking criminal charges. I figure we're looking at cheating or repeated JRs for on campus drinking.
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repeat drinking wouldn't do it, unless they changed the rules.
to me this sounds like cheating or he got caught with mary jane on campus, as those two would result in this kind of swift action. pure speculation though.
EDIT: ok, so we know, per barber's article from Turk's comments, it is not criminal. So the only thing I can think of is grevious academic cheating or fraud. Specifically, something like if someone was taking a test for him. Other things like plagarism and having crib notes during a test, while very bad, can still result in probation or at least not full on dismissal.
man, this is about the only time I wish Blacksburg was in North Carolina. /s and UNCheaters burn!
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One would think. I suppose it's possible that offense #2 occurred before the judicial process played out on offense #1. The football team generally does not speak publicly to such matters until the process plays out. I'm not suggesting that this is definitely what happened. Just that it's a possibility.
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I'm just trying to think what would constitute dismissal from the school without getting the cops involved. I know there's a zero tolerance marijuana policy that was in effect when I was in the dorms (2003), but I doubt they would handle drug possession internally without getting the police involved. My wife got a JR for drinking in the dorms and they told her 3rd JR equals expulsion. Maybe they were blowing smoke.
The more I think about it, it sounds like some sort of egregious cheating. I hate to speculate but there can't be too many things that would result in getting kicked out without being considered criminal activity
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They got rid of the 3 strike policy so they can consider everything on a case-by-case basis. I'm not 100% sure since when I was an RA, I never actually had to catch anyone smoking marijuana, but I don't know how much of it can be handled without police involved. I suggested it may have been drugs below, but that's only because I know that VTPD has the authority to let the university solely handle some issues and not file criminal charges as well.
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That is actually a very bad thing. VERY, allowing a university to decide what is criminal and what is not is what is causing the DOJ to look at several universities and their response to sexual assault. It may seem that letting them decide what is criminal and what is not is good it is a VERY slippery slope. If an officer is involved then it has to have some legal conclusion. Now if PD is never involved that is one thing but to allow PD to pass something off to the admin side is bad.
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That's not right. When were you an RA? I was an RA and HRA and can say that in my time 95 - 99 all drug issues were sent directly to the police. That was a black and white policy in Res Life. University handles no drug cases, only conduct cases. The only way around it is if you don't call the police. If you were to only write a JR about marijuana then it can't be used as evidence, so the person would get off that way, but the police should have been called. Personally I had an unwritten, unspoken see no evil, hear no evil rule of thumb. I wasn't going to go looking for it but if someone was stupid enough to let me see, hear or smell it then I had to act.
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In 1995, first floor of Pritchard. My homie lived in that room right next to the Laundry stairs and I stepped out of his room one day and the hall was full of VT, Local, State police. As I walked down the hall back to my room, after getting a few side-eyes, they walked a guy out in Cuffs.
Jus sayin'
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Exactly. Drugs went to police. that's just how it was/is. You as the RA could let it slide, but the policy was to get police. Even if you smelled Marijuana you don't engage with the students the policy was to call police and let them do it. That doesn't mean RA's always did that but that was the policy, and I think probably still is.
As RA, I only saw 1 drug related incident. As HRA for 2 years, I saw quite a few. Not all mine, as I was "on call" many nights when drugs came up in other buildings and would respond to RA requests.
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Depends. We used to have case parties before that. Irony was that we went through more beer with the cases. Anyway, an RA in Eggleston got wind of it from one of their residents and rated to our head RA, so the head RA and VT PD showed up at 10pm. We already had 30+ people in our dorm room. So pretty short lived, but still great. Our RA, who is on TKP was great about it. But we got JRs and were kicked of campus and put on probation. No problem as we were going to live off campus anyway. I believe that was my sixth JR. And I was even in the RHF at one point. Guess I partied a bit much.
I will say it was hilarious carrying that keg into the dorm, everyone who saw it couldn't stop laughing at our cylindrical duffle bag.
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Well... I don't know the RA in question (they did their job though) but I do know who the HRA was in West Egg that year. And... I am not surprised he called the police. Personally, I would have just broken it up myself sans PD. JR's would have been written though as you would have failed my "hear no evil, see no evil" test and forced me to.
Sounds like you had a good time in West Egg though but honestly that party pales in comparison to some others I saw/heard about during my time.
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I didn't say that it was any certain issues or even that drug issues in general were able to be slid over to be handled by the University. Just that because Turk says there is nothing criminal, doesn't mean that it couldn't have been had he been charged with a criminal offense. Yes, drugs are typically call the cops issues, but there could have been many other things involved in this situation that make it a weird situation.
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no worries. I was just clearing up the Res Life poilcy on drugs. I don't think it is something gray area like that. If for example the University was throwing him out because he was repeatedly caught with marijuana then the question would be: why not call the police?
I agree with most that it was something to do with academics. But I do understand your point.
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The only gray area I can come up with regarding drugs is consumption (which isn't illegal) rather than possession. They could confirm that he was "smoking" in the residence hall which isn't allowed, but he may not have any on him when the police were called, in which case it would only be handled by Student Conduct. I disagree that it has to do with academics though because Student Conduct doesn't handle that. Unless of course, that is being misreported and he was in front of the student honor council instead which is very possible. You really have to mess up to get kicked out of school by student conduct. My freshman year had 5 felony damage charges issued to residents, including 2 to one person for damage done to furniture, the rooms, and other parts of the building. The only thing they got was a ban from on-campus housing.
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Reavis was one of the most talented players we had at a key position. Big blow to this team, not the end but a bummer man. You need players like this to have a winning team.
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For the record, #sources close to the situation in other sites such as TSL and 247 are saying the coaching staff is aware of what's going on and Reavis will not be reinstated after appeal. Supposedly is a fairly open and shut case without much of a defense.
And this is where some of our recruiting misses in recent years really hurt.
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One that requires removal from the university, which supersedes anything about the team. But I wonder the same thing. Dismissal from the university, with no prior problems? Or were there problems that we didn't know about? Concerning.
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While I know it's not this simple, it should mean that whatever he did is worse than what Shai did... but then again I can't say I'm exactly comfortable with Shai coming back this easily either...
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It doesn't mean that because the student conduct board is determines if they broke the student conduct agreement which is separate but sometimes overlapping with criminal activity
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it should mean that whatever he did is worse than what Shai did
Not necessarily. Shai's offense did not take place on campus, so I doubt the Student Review Board (or whatever they're called) would have jurisdiction to punish him. If his offense had taken place on campus, it'd be a different story.
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If you are arrested off-campus, you are immediately required to self-disclose the incident to student conduct. It's university policy, and they have plenty of authority to punish you in addition to the legal system.
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Well then, I stand corrected. I wouldn't have imagined that a student judiciary board would have the authority to punish a student over something that happened off campus and didn't involve the school or it's students.
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You have to report if you get arrested over Summer break. As long as you are a student, you are subject to the code of conduct no matter where you are. It may not make sense, but that's how it works.
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Yeah, we got a noise violation by the bburg police and in addition to the crap we had to deal with from the city, we had a JR by the school (which we got service hours). Pretty ridiuclous
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I know someone who got a trespassing violation over the summer that was later dropped and he was punished by Tech as well. I think he was denied on campus housing or maybe even not allowed to come back for a semester or something.
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Wow, I guess things have changed more than I thought since I graduated. I don't remember ever being asked if I got into any trouble with the law over the summer.
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ugh... I trust Torrian and Bud will do their best to get the next man up ready to play, but wow, to think what could have been considering the talent he has and all the pieces we have in place for this year's defense. I hate not being able to see all that collective potential come to fruition...
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Now I don't remember the exact quote but Forest Gump said something to the effect, "feces happens." For you really young whippersnappers. 2009 pre-season, Darren Evans goes down. Fork man, that's bad. Rise of Ryan Williams. That's good.
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One of the few positives from this is that if it were going to happen, I'd rather it happen now than in August. At least the coaches have a little more time to think of a contingency plan, and his backup can get his mind right, prepare mentally for that opener.
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Honestly, we won't be as good as we probably could be. We were looking at the best defensive backfield we've ever had. However, we always have good talent to work with. Sometimes that's hurt us, filing a DB in a key roll, but we will be OK. Time for someone to step up.
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Extremely disappointing and frustrating. I really want to know what he did. The post on the coaching staff knowing what he did and he won't be back no matter what happens with the appeal must mean it is something pretty damn serious.
If he screwed up that bad, then he doesn't deserve to be on the team. It is just a shame to lose a talented kid.
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Well... thinking about who will replace him will have a season of experience under their belt and eliminate questions at that position next season. It is better to know we have stellar DB's this year and not have questions at other defensive positions. Just need another solid tackler with speed!
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What I don't get is why did he delete all his tweets? His insta still has stuff up? Also in my search to find one of those sites that logs all tweets I did catch something about trust no one, but not sure if that was older or not. I feel like something happened on Twitter that is integral to this case.
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Facyson's health just got way more important in my mind. I think we can find an okay replacement at rover, but I don't think we're in a position to find replacements at rover AND field corner.
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Assuming Facyson is good to go, and Clark obviously entrenched at FS then, who is the best option at rover to replace Reavis? Riley would definitely get consideration, but I remembered there being some question about his tackling ability. Frye would be a good bet, along with younger Edmunds or even Alexander. Lots of options, albeit a bit murky at this point. Would Riley be our #1 nickel or possibly Mook?
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Could he have been involved with an agent or something? I mean that's no means to dismiss him from school maybe said agent had given him tests and helped him cheat or something too and then pulled out? Idk
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If it's no means to dismiss him from school -- and the whole thing is about him being dismissed from school - then why are you even raising this as a possibility?
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Easy guy I'm just spitballing what the possibility is, and I've learned a lot more about this since. I was just trying to wrap my head around all of this
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It is all speculation. It's just interesting that Shai McKenzie gets in trouble with the law and doesn't get kicked out of school, and C.J. Reavis gets into no legal trouble but gets kicked out of school. If it's for cheating on a test or something like that, I can understand. But, the fact that this student conduct committee didn't get involved with Shai McKenzie's debacle, especially after everything that went down with Marcus Vick, is a little strange to me.
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VT defines sexual misconduct as "sexual contact without consent". Having consensual sex isn't against school rules.
At the time of his student conduct hearing he had not been convicted. However, I suppose his (McKenzie's) recent conviction could lead to further action.
I suspect there are things in here (edit: sorry, I see this is already posted below) http://www.hokiehandbook.vt.edu/codeofconduct/ that can get you suspended or dismissed that don't involve the state/federal legal sysytem.
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I could be wrong and I don't want to start any rumors but the only thing I can think of that is a dismissal from school by student conduct is getting caught with drugs. I'm pretty sure that's a zero tolerance policy. I know nothing about CJ's situation, but that's all I can think of.
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That whole Journell deal is still fishy to me... I seriously doubt his last incident that led to his permanent dismissal from the team was something as subtle as breaking and entering to steal drugs.
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"It's not a criminal matter he's facing, it's solely through the student conduct board at the Virginia Tech and we're dealing with some issues," Turk said. "We are in the appeal process."
This to me does not say that what he did was not illegal, just that the problem is not proceeding through a criminal court. But I'm not a lawyer.
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The only problem I have with that is if it's not criminal, it can only be cheating. But allegations of cheating are taken to the Honor Court, not the Student Conduct system, right? Many items in the Student Code of Conduct (http://www.hokiehandbook.vt.edu/codeofconduct/) are also criminal activities.
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University Honor System doesn't have hearings during the summer, so it wasn't cheating/plagiarism if he was just disenrolled this week. Also, having served on several university honor panels, and trying to get a consensus on guilt, and then a consensus on what level of sanctions to issue was like pulling teeth. I once did one where we had an open and shut case, and people were reluctant to adjudicate to where the kid could be given the double weighted zero. To straight remove him from school would have been damn near impossible unless he's the world's most infamous cheater AND no one on the panel knew he was going to start on the football team (like it or not, those considerations are made).
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you can get expelled for that? Dang. I made four or five excursions down there in my time. Accidentally set off an alarm in Pamplin one december after graduation. Me and my friends hightailed it back into the tunnels and then one of the guys started freaking out and demanded to get out at the next grate. Didn't realize that it was dead center of the drillfield in front of williams hall. 5 (?) more grates and it would have been nice and hidden in the bushes of the Ag quad, but blacksburg was so dead any way no one caught us scrambling out into the open.
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all the following information is pure hearsay and conjecture:
many mechanical rooms in buildings might have access to the tunnels since the steam provides a boost for the heating systems and all pipes have to be accessible for maintenance.
All steam pipes might originate in the power plant and you may be able to just walk into the tunnels from the basement of the plant.
all those grates you walk over on the sidewalks and get uncomfortably warm in the summer could possibly lead down to the tunnels. Some of them might even have ladders.
I've heard if you go to the SW corner of the Ag quad, there might be a grate under a bush that is completely concealed (though you might get odd looks walking back there).
Also, after it snows, you can sometimes see tracks heading towards grates. These could be either students accessing the tunnels or a quartet of mutated reptiles retreating to the depths after fighting crime.
If you could dig up a cached version of the now defunct vtunderground.com it has alleged maps and entry points for all the different circuits.
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Is it overly nerdy to know that, just from this gif, the map has made its way into someone's hands that doesn't know what it means to be up to no good?
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My only problem is the terminology used:
"...lead to the arrest and conviction of..."
It won't be enough just to lead to his arrest. The guy has to stay in jail long enough to have his day in court. Unfortunately, it's not the days of "Wanted Dead or Alive", so someone can't just kill him for that reward.
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There may or may not be a way to enter from the Washington street side of Cassel, via a grate on the ground. You may or may not be able to tunnel from there all the way to McBryde. I may or may not have been involved in doing so more than once.
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If they did I expect a big payday for them and a massive donation to VT shortly thereafter, followed by the largest, most awesome TKP tailgate before the anOSU game.
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Yeah, that one on the DF (in front of Davidson actually) is ridiculously easy to access. A swing up the grate and your in there. Its stand up height too. Heard of former students storing their pet reptiles down there.
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Unless the "rules" (not sure if there is anything actually written about it) have changed I can confirm that one does not get expelled when caught in the tunnels.
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This is way OT but I always heard that Gina Renee Hall's body was down there somewhere or underneath a wing of St. Albans Sanatorium. For those who don't know who Gina Renee Hall is here you go.
Even with burning they would have found something. For cremation, it is 3 hrs at 1300 degrees.(used to embalm) It would be hard to do that without an accelarant for a long time. Between that and trying to clean up the blood that was in the cabin that is alot of work and time that he didn't have. They were on his ass pretty quick from what I remember.
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Not unless he threw the ashes in the lake or something...
that would be pretty damn hard to find if you ask me. It's such a sad mystery...
Edit: check out this show that was done at St Albans...i don't really like the show
but it was interesting how they got to talk to the detective leading that case. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MJewbXfH_BE
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Ashes are crushed bone, BTW. Fire makes the bones brittle. After the 3 hrs they are put into a large industrial blender for lack of a better term and pulverized. Then put into the urn of your choice.
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I have no clue what happened here so take this for what it is worth but it is my understanding that it is effectively impossible to win an appeal of this nature.
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So my question based on all of the "news" reported on this this thread is if 1) this is an open and shut case, 2) Beamer and team all knew about this and are prepping accordingly, and 3) these cases are hardly ever over-turned through appeal, why is there a hired lawyer involved in the appeal process (and who suggested he get a lawyer, and who is paying for it).
Seems odd that someone brings council into a private committee for a non-criminal act (especially a college kid who I assume has limited funds for attorney fees) - or that the VT review board would allow third party representation. The whole situation is very strange.
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All the boards except the VTCC Honor Corps allow outside representation. Covers the university's ass when appeals come through. Also of note, the lawyer is Jimmy Turk, the official team lawyer, so broke college kid isn't footing the bill. The team is.
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Also, I know people are speaking "generally" but does anyone here actually know Reavis' economic situation? Maybe his family can afford it. let's not jump to every conclusion possible. Just sayin.
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Found this today regarding Jimmy Turk. I was always curious what his relationship to the team was.
Inevitably, players will run into legal trouble during their careers. Turk frequently gets their calls and their business. None of it is free. Players, or their parents, pay for his services.
For what it's worth, C.J. has been favoriting some players' and coaches' tweets, while not actually tweeting himself. Almost every tweet is football-related. That probably means nothing, but it's the only sign of hope I've seen since the news broke.
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Bingo - what I'm wondering is that if he was caught cheating, wouldn't that negate his 'earning' the honor roll, and his actual grades would be rescinded accordingly?
I only posted originally because the majority here seemed to be leaning towards the idea that it had to be cheating (myself included, and like FernleyHokie, pure speculation)....and his listing on the honor roll seemed to be in complete disagreement with that hypothesis.
Of course, it may be that the list was being prepared and released as all this was going down, and they didn't catch it in time to remove him from the list, if in fact this all has to do with cheating.......
I'm starting to wonder if it could be something else -just what it could be I cant put my finger on. It's been 25 years since i was a student at Tech, and i can only imagine some of the things that have been added to the student conduct code since then.....
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For what it's worth, I've heard from #sources that it potentially has to do with a female. Not sure what part of that fits into their being no authorities involved though.
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Cheating would have gone through the honor court, not the Student Conduct Board. As VTBeamer mentioned, my guess is it has to do with a lady. My best guess (literally a guess, no #SOURCES or anything here) is he "got involved" with the wrong lady, a TA or tutor or something inappropriate along those lines.
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Getting involved with a TA or tutor would never result in dismissal. In those cases it's usually the teaching party that gets in trouble, not the student.
If it has to do with a girl and is not criminal it can only really be harassment of some flagrant nature. and the girl in question has not pressed charges.
despite the article above I still think it is an academic issue.
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Exactly, it's the university employee's responsibility to not get involved. Any punishment arising out of a situation like that would fall solely at the feet of the TA/tutor/professor/whatever.
Source: I work for Tech so....
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Given that it's been stated several times that it was a student conduct issue and not an honor system issue, and also that the honor system doesn't handle anything over the summer, I'd be surprised if it's even a little bit academic.
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In that case, maybe he appropriated school property and forgot to return it. I had a friend who got caught appropriating a comically large item and was nearly dismissed. Again all speculation
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This was my thought when I read that it was conduct related and the police were not involved. My money is on some sort of destruction, vandalism, or stealing. Just saying.
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I suppose the 'victim' could chose not to press charges, whereas the school may still want to discipline him. Although, I cannot think of something irrelevant enough for a victim not to press charges, but serious enough for the university to consider expulsion.
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mmm...sexual harassment was my first thought once the academics thing was questioned. there are a lot of things that will get you fired from the workplace or, i suppose, suspended or dismissed from school, but not cause any legal trouble whatsoever.
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When I was at Liberty, they made a rule about going bridge jumping about a week or two after I had gone (Footbridge where the AT crosses the James River). Does VT have any rules like that? I know the steam tunnels have been mentioned already, anything else along those lines? Did they come up with a David Wilson rule after he ran up the side of Cassel maybe?
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Okay, so we know it's not for academics. Otherwise he wouldn't be on the honor roll. I'm really not sure what it could have been in regards to sexual misconduct, because that usually involves trouble with the law. And if it was for marijuana or some other drug-related incident, again, you'd think he'd be in trouble with more than just student conduct. I think it's safe to say that we have absolutely no leads whatsoever as to what he might be in trouble for, other than it being something ridiculously stupid that he does not want released to the public. And I honestly can't conjure up anything "stupid" that would warrant a permanent dismissal from school. Maybe a repeat offense of something? Again, there is no telling. I'm sure when and if we do find out what it is, though, it will be something incredibly stupid, and will most likely give Tech a bad reputation, in addition to what has already transpired with Shai McKenzie. Frank Beamer has done an excellent job of improving the image of Virginia Tech Football since 2005 (Marcus Vick's final year), and I hope that isn't tarnished in one offseason.
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Again, there is no telling. I'm sure when and if we do find out what it is, though, it will be something incredibly stupid, and will most likely give Tech a bad reputation, in addition to what has already transpired with Shai McKenzie. Frank Beamer has done an excellent job of improving the image of Virginia Tech Football since 2005 (Marcus Vick's final year), and I hope that isn't tarnished in one offseason.
look... what these players do when they get in trouble is usually dumb, stupid shit. It never looks good. BUT... these are young college aged kids for crying out loud. The ONLY reason any of this matters to VT perception wise is because they happen to be on the VT team. But I would say 99.9% of every student at VT does something "stupid" that if caught would have resulted in some sort of punishment and if they happened to be on a team would have gotten blown up in the press. But they aren't so it isn't. Moral of the story is despite the transgressions in all there are relatively few at VT and most importantly normal statistically for this age and time of life. Believe me, I have seen non-athlete students do A LOT WORSE.
The real issues come with things like what is happening down at FSU, which seems to have been too loose on keeping kids in line. Give an inch, they take a mile.
All in all, I think Frank has always maintained a healthy balance on punishment/reaction to incidents, and for the most part, except for Marcus "worst Hokie ever" Vick, a fair amount of second and third chances to deserving kids. At least as far as any of us are privy to.
So while stuff like this sucks from a team point of view and obviously looks bad, ultimately it will not affect VT's reputation or derail it's progress forward as an institution or team.
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I still wonder how Journell got mixed up with that stuff. He comes from Giles County. Not exactly a place you'd expect someone to get involved with the stuff he was in.
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I'm from Giles. I know all about his high school exploits that were swept under the rug. That's why I was never surprised when he got in trouble in college. Shame to piss away talent.
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This thing with Reavis is weird. I read on another board that there was "a lot of stuff to his troubles" as well as they were amazed it has been kept this quiet and the facts were shocking. Who knows, all I know is we need him on the field this year. Just hard to say what he would have done with no police involved and no grades involved to get him kicked out of school.
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Unless that outburst was severely more vulgar, and uttered directly to President Sand's wife, while CJ ran naked through a building he broke into, holding a stolen beer, I kinda doubt it.
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I remember him posting on Twitter a screenshot of an email from a professor. Could this be the cause? I remember some professors putting some sort of disclaimer on emails.
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Edit: Tried finding a cached version of his twitter for said screencap. All I found was the first comment on the thread about the credible threat where he tweeted the email from his prof warning people. If that's the one, then I doubt it's the issue here.
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uhmmmmm can only think this has to do with academics???
All Tweets from his tweeter have been deleted too
Still on hokiesports web page for football-- not for much longer though ?
That would be a huge blow....
That said, pretty much the only thing that'll get ya kicked out besides being thrown in jail is to be caught cheating red handed.
Has to be..
http://honorsystem.vt.edu/HSConstitution/const_pdf.pdf
Just cheating won't get him suspended or kicked out.
That... is not good.
Well, damn.
Wow. I'm not sure losing anyone outside of Kendall Fuller would have been a bigger blow. Mucho no bueno.
Bucky
Ford
Wyatt
Any defensive end
Sam Rogers.
Everyone else who posted before me better get their affairs in order.
Gallo or Motuapuaka
what? I could probably think of at least 5 players that would be just as bad if not worse
Foster's defense relies so much on a free hitter being able to make plays in space and fill his gap correctly. Remember the BC game in 13? The final TD was because of a poor fill. CJ did an outstanding job throughout most of the spring in coming up and making plays, and I'm not 100% convinced we have another rover who can do that as well. One miss by the rover and we're giving up a huge play.
As for some of the other guys people have mentioned, Ford and Bucky would be big losses, but if only one of them went down we'd still have other guys (Malleck, Philips) who could at least pick up the slack. Motu is a question mark himself, so right now he can't be considered indispensable. Really the only other guy who has a case is Sam Rogers cause, well, Sam Rogers.
And I'll agree that one injury to just about any OLineman and we're up a creek, but I was mostly referring to defensive players. I think we could even lose a DE and Dooley would do just fine. Rover is the only position where a loss seems like it would seriously handicap the defense, as it takes away our best free hitter and forces Foster and Gray to shuffle guys around and probably limits what they can do in the back end.
I agree 100%. If we lose him, that position will become a liability. The drop-off in talent between he and Frye/Riley is substantial.
Definitely a big time question mark. Would love French's take on the guys behind Reavis.
could slide clark over there and probably even have an upgrade IMO.
It's possible, but that still leaves the issue of what Torrian can do with the secondary as a whole, especially is Facyson has any issues with his leg.
if reavis is not back I hope we see Brandon slide over to FS and move chuck to rover. Brandon seems like a very intelligent guy that could make the calls and it would take some pressure off of him coming back and giving him a bit more of a cushion than he's used to at CB. Then you have riley who played CB most of last year, stroman (who TG has said will play on sundays) and mook for the CB/nickel spots.
Totally disagree with this idea. Moving a guy who has barely played since Nov 2013 to a position he's never played before from his natural position is the wrong move. This is real football, not a video game.
He's played plenty since Nov 2013 and you must not understand how TG handles his secondary. He doesn't have them specialize in just 1 position.
No, but for his corners that means they play left and right corner, so they get experience with both the boundary and field responsibilities. I'd be fairly surprised if Facyson has taken any reps at either safety spot since his first spring.
There is probably a reason why our last two 3-year starting safeties started at corner don't you think? They build the solid coverage foundation then bud has moved them back there (Jarrett and bonner amongst many others).
They start there, and their experience at corner definitely helps them develop as good safeties, but you can't expect a guy who has never repped the position to come in and perform at a high level. Besides, with as good as he's been at corner, I don't see Gray moving him.
ya I'm not disagreeing that he may not play at a high level, but it's not like we have anyone else that is a sure fire thing there or we wouldn't be having this discussion. My suggestion was based on the fact that theoretically that should get the best secondary players on the field. Like I mentioned TG has said stroman is a sunday player and they sold mook on being the next kyle fuller. We know kendall is going to be. Chuck Clark has the potential to be our next safety drafted IMO and if Brandon is healthy i'm fairly confident he'll be a mid round pick. The move for Brandon was more to give him a bit more of a cushion, which plays well to his play style and ability to read the qb and break quickly on the ball.
Everything you're saying makes sense... in theory. With the shuffling TG has done before, I wouldn't put it past him, but it wouldn't be my first move as a secondary coach. But, I guess that's why I don't make hundreds of thousands of dollars a year and put DB after DB in the NFL.
Consider that this is a huge blow not just to the secondary, but to Special Teams as well. Considering CJ's play last season on ST and the plays he made in Spring. This is a loss that hurts deeply.
Bingo.
My exact reaction...fuck fuck fuck!!! :(
Next man up.
Who would that be if Reavis is out?
- Andy Bitter
Chuck Clark... as Fayscon if 100% back would play that other corner spot.. if not Clark mayeb Frye or could we see younger Edmunds get pushed there?
If Facyson is playing corner, Chuck was going to play the other safety alongside Reavis. I like Donovan Riley as the next option, personally.
Clark is going to play in the safety position so moving him to rover still leaves a vacancy in the secondary.
Assuming Holland Fisher still can't play safety?
Drew Harris?
See Above.
No...just no
Sounds like we gotta let the process play out before we start freaking out. Hope for the beat, obviously.
I think the dog gif said it all.
Not much positive news coming out of the football team right about now
But then again I guess we could be FSU....
Huge blow. He was the defensive MVP of the spring game.
Postulate: football news in July is never good news.
Recruiting in July could be good news....it's not, but it could be.
welp
It sounded like Beamer had some idea this was coming. Or could be coming, at least. Hopefully this isn't as big of a shock to the coaches as it is to us.
If the lawyer is saying there is no criminal charge, the only thing I can think of is cheating in some fashion. But even that doesn't seem to be enough to just be removed from the university immediately.
It said he is not enrolled which means that it could be a semester or two semester suspension as listed in Fireman's post
With the glut of bad news in the last few days, this is probably an opportune time to point this out:
Despite some isolated issues, I am proud to say that the majority of our Hokies are doing things the right way and are excellent representatives of VT.
Funny how that works, too. For every thing that goes wrong, there are multiple things that go right. Polite and respectful attitudes in public go much further on the positive side than mistakes and transgressions go on the negative, unless you are predisposed to focus or revel in the bad stuff.
Great read, and that doesn't surprise me about Coleman. He showed his true colors of maturity, character, and heart when he was down on the depth chart. But as we all know, he persevered and rebounded in a big way and will be a real asset for our ground attack this year.
Yes, 100x yes.
He was ready to go when his number was called and by the power of Greystoke he did go, like a banshee.
I would hire that guy in a second if I had a job he qualified for. He44, I bet I could teach him into any job he wanted.
I got so proud of Coleman the end of last season...
ugh, I'm gushing, sorry.
GreystokeGreyskull
FIFY
thanks
Thank you. And to pile on positively, contrast the following (not knowing the details yet):
One school has an individual player allegedly commit an offense and is brought before the council...another school has university sham courses for 18 years and is having to publicly defend its actions.....
Just saying.....
I love J.C. He is the epitome of a leader on our football team.
Yeah, and btw, isn't he also a postseason MVP as well as a multi game 100+ yd rusher???
JC and RVD worked the War equipment room for a bit this summer... those guys are total first class. What personable, phenomenal people. I am a huge JC fan for sure.
If it weren't for bad news, we'd get no news at all.
Gloom, Despair, and agony on me.
Deep dark depression, excessive misery. If it weren't for bad luck, we'd have no luck at all...
Corn field philosophy, don't ya know? Edit: Hee Haw, for y'all too young to know.
To further clarify, that's from Hee Haw. Yeah, I tuned in.
Those of us born before the 70's only had that, and maybe Benny Hill shows, to get a glimpse of some cleavage in our teenage years.
The generation before us were happy to see some ankle with the ladies coming off the stagecoaches.
C'mon, man, we had Miss Kitty and Charlie's Angels.
I was young, but even then I watched just for the cleavage.
Wait what.
Whoa there, hold your horses...
With my abundance of opposable thumbs, no doubt
Well hopefully he is not done for good, but we really need him this year.
Really Andy, on a Friday? Why not wait until Monday when I already hate my life?
Joking aside, appreciate you keeping us in the know.
There are some very tough times ahead for this program, I wish CJ the best of luck and I hope things work out for him as not only will this impact him but us as program. After this year their will be many choices to be made by Whit, and I hope they work out for the best!
wow this comment is kind of dark..and a bit cryptic...I'm not a fan of this comment
This scares the hell out of me because your inside info is rarely inaccurate and always meshes with things I know. How bad could it new though if we're not talking criminal charges. I figure we're looking at cheating or repeated JRs for on campus drinking.
repeat drinking wouldn't do it, unless they changed the rules.
to me this sounds like cheating or he got caught with mary jane on campus, as those two would result in this kind of swift action. pure speculation though.
EDIT: ok, so we know, per barber's article from Turk's comments, it is not criminal. So the only thing I can think of is grevious academic cheating or fraud. Specifically, something like if someone was taking a test for him. Other things like plagarism and having crib notes during a test, while very bad, can still result in probation or at least not full on dismissal.
man, this is about the only time I wish Blacksburg was in North Carolina. /s and UNCheaters burn!
Any second offense is automatically a Class VI offense. So it didn't have to necessarily be grievous if he was foolish enough to do it twice.
One would think a first offense would have resulted in some football punishment also?
One would think. I suppose it's possible that offense #2 occurred before the judicial process played out on offense #1. The football team generally does not speak publicly to such matters until the process plays out. I'm not suggesting that this is definitely what happened. Just that it's a possibility.
I'm just trying to think what would constitute dismissal from the school without getting the cops involved. I know there's a zero tolerance marijuana policy that was in effect when I was in the dorms (2003), but I doubt they would handle drug possession internally without getting the police involved. My wife got a JR for drinking in the dorms and they told her 3rd JR equals expulsion. Maybe they were blowing smoke.
The more I think about it, it sounds like some sort of egregious cheating. I hate to speculate but there can't be too many things that would result in getting kicked out without being considered criminal activity
They got rid of the 3 strike policy so they can consider everything on a case-by-case basis. I'm not 100% sure since when I was an RA, I never actually had to catch anyone smoking marijuana, but I don't know how much of it can be handled without police involved. I suggested it may have been drugs below, but that's only because I know that VTPD has the authority to let the university solely handle some issues and not file criminal charges as well.
Thanks for the info.
That is actually a very bad thing. VERY, allowing a university to decide what is criminal and what is not is what is causing the DOJ to look at several universities and their response to sexual assault. It may seem that letting them decide what is criminal and what is not is good it is a VERY slippery slope. If an officer is involved then it has to have some legal conclusion. Now if PD is never involved that is one thing but to allow PD to pass something off to the admin side is bad.
That's not right. When were you an RA? I was an RA and HRA and can say that in my time 95 - 99 all drug issues were sent directly to the police. That was a black and white policy in Res Life. University handles no drug cases, only conduct cases. The only way around it is if you don't call the police. If you were to only write a JR about marijuana then it can't be used as evidence, so the person would get off that way, but the police should have been called. Personally I had an unwritten, unspoken see no evil, hear no evil rule of thumb. I wasn't going to go looking for it but if someone was stupid enough to let me see, hear or smell it then I had to act.
In 1995, first floor of Pritchard. My homie lived in that room right next to the Laundry stairs and I stepped out of his room one day and the hall was full of VT, Local, State police. As I walked down the hall back to my room, after getting a few side-eyes, they walked a guy out in Cuffs.
Jus sayin'
Exactly. Drugs went to police. that's just how it was/is. You as the RA could let it slide, but the policy was to get police. Even if you smelled Marijuana you don't engage with the students the policy was to call police and let them do it. That doesn't mean RA's always did that but that was the policy, and I think probably still is.
As RA, I only saw 1 drug related incident. As HRA for 2 years, I saw quite a few. Not all mine, as I was "on call" many nights when drugs came up in other buildings and would respond to RA requests.
In 98 did you ever hear about a keg party in West Egg?
No, not offhand. There were a few that I remember but none in West Egg that year. I take it that it was a good one?
Depends. We used to have case parties before that. Irony was that we went through more beer with the cases. Anyway, an RA in Eggleston got wind of it from one of their residents and rated to our head RA, so the head RA and VT PD showed up at 10pm. We already had 30+ people in our dorm room. So pretty short lived, but still great. Our RA, who is on TKP was great about it. But we got JRs and were kicked of campus and put on probation. No problem as we were going to live off campus anyway. I believe that was my sixth JR. And I was even in the RHF at one point. Guess I partied a bit much.
I will say it was hilarious carrying that keg into the dorm, everyone who saw it couldn't stop laughing at our cylindrical duffle bag.
Well... I don't know the RA in question (they did their job though) but I do know who the HRA was in West Egg that year. And... I am not surprised he called the police. Personally, I would have just broken it up myself sans PD. JR's would have been written though as you would have failed my "hear no evil, see no evil" test and forced me to.
Sounds like you had a good time in West Egg though but honestly that party pales in comparison to some others I saw/heard about during my time.
I too spent a night it west egg. I can say it was a good night.
I didn't say that it was any certain issues or even that drug issues in general were able to be slid over to be handled by the University. Just that because Turk says there is nothing criminal, doesn't mean that it couldn't have been had he been charged with a criminal offense. Yes, drugs are typically call the cops issues, but there could have been many other things involved in this situation that make it a weird situation.
no worries. I was just clearing up the Res Life poilcy on drugs. I don't think it is something gray area like that. If for example the University was throwing him out because he was repeatedly caught with marijuana then the question would be: why not call the police?
I agree with most that it was something to do with academics. But I do understand your point.
The only gray area I can come up with regarding drugs is consumption (which isn't illegal) rather than possession. They could confirm that he was "smoking" in the residence hall which isn't allowed, but he may not have any on him when the police were called, in which case it would only be handled by Student Conduct. I disagree that it has to do with academics though because Student Conduct doesn't handle that. Unless of course, that is being misreported and he was in front of the student honor council instead which is very possible. You really have to mess up to get kicked out of school by student conduct. My freshman year had 5 felony damage charges issued to residents, including 2 to one person for damage done to furniture, the rooms, and other parts of the building. The only thing they got was a ban from on-campus housing.
D:<
Reavis was one of the most talented players we had at a key position. Big blow to this team, not the end but a bummer man. You need players like this to have a winning team.
He has scheduled visits to NC and FSU.
i chuckled
For the record, #sources close to the situation in other sites such as TSL and 247 are saying the coaching staff is aware of what's going on and Reavis will not be reinstated after appeal. Supposedly is a fairly open and shut case without much of a defense.
And this is where some of our recruiting misses in recent years really hurt.
What kind of infraction could involve something non criminal that gets you removed from football team and not reinstated at some point?
One that requires removal from the university, which supersedes anything about the team. But I wonder the same thing. Dismissal from the university, with no prior problems? Or were there problems that we didn't know about? Concerning.
While I know it's not this simple, it should mean that whatever he did is worse than what Shai did... but then again I can't say I'm exactly comfortable with Shai coming back this easily either...
It doesn't mean that because the student conduct board is determines if they broke the student conduct agreement which is separate but sometimes overlapping with criminal activity
Not necessarily. Shai's offense did not take place on campus, so I doubt the Student Review Board (or whatever they're called) would have jurisdiction to punish him. If his offense had taken place on campus, it'd be a different story.
If you are arrested off-campus, you are immediately required to self-disclose the incident to student conduct. It's university policy, and they have plenty of authority to punish you in addition to the legal system.
Well then, I stand corrected. I wouldn't have imagined that a student judiciary board would have the authority to punish a student over something that happened off campus and didn't involve the school or it's students.
You have to report if you get arrested over Summer break. As long as you are a student, you are subject to the code of conduct no matter where you are. It may not make sense, but that's how it works.
Yeah, we got a noise violation by the bburg police and in addition to the crap we had to deal with from the city, we had a JR by the school (which we got service hours). Pretty ridiuclous
I know someone who got a trespassing violation over the summer that was later dropped and he was punished by Tech as well. I think he was denied on campus housing or maybe even not allowed to come back for a semester or something.
Wow, I guess things have changed more than I thought since I graduated. I don't remember ever being asked if I got into any trouble with the law over the summer.
They don't ask, it's self reporting. However if found out and you didn't self report the punishment could be worse.
I believe that there is some sharing of reports to the University as well by law enforcement, but I could be wrong.
They are. I got a ticket from the Blacksburg police who notified the university, who sent a letter home to Mom and Dad. Thanks....
Fuck man....
So disappointing
ugh... I trust Torrian and Bud will do their best to get the next man up ready to play, but wow, to think what could have been considering the talent he has and all the pieces we have in place for this year's defense. I hate not being able to see all that collective potential come to fruition...
He got caught stealing boxes? What is he gonna do, build a clubhouse?
Now I don't remember the exact quote but Forest Gump said something to the effect, "feces happens." For you really young whippersnappers. 2009 pre-season, Darren Evans goes down. Fork man, that's bad. Rise of Ryan Williams. That's good.
Currently cycling between
and
FUCK! FUCK DAMMIT!!!
Cheer up guys. Here's something that might help a little
Need to cut the line or get a bigger boat. Cool gif!
Edit: Still trying to figure out if that's fishin' heaven, or fishin' hell.
Don't confuse our emotions.
Lord please make me 25 again!
Wouldn't help. Trust me.
This is why we can't have nice things.
Real shame because the kid was a talent and loved being a Hokie. But for this kind of result, he did something he knew he shouldn't have.
Amen to that. Want him back, but also believe in fairness and persons being held responsible for their actions.
One of the few positives from this is that if it were going to happen, I'd rather it happen now than in August. At least the coaches have a little more time to think of a contingency plan, and his backup can get his mind right, prepare mentally for that opener.
As of a few minutes ago he was still listed on the roster on Hokiesports.com. This being the weekend that might mean nothing though.
Honestly, we won't be as good as we probably could be. We were looking at the best defensive backfield we've ever had. However, we always have good talent to work with. Sometimes that's hurt us, filing a DB in a key roll, but we will be OK. Time for someone to step up.
Extremely disappointing and frustrating. I really want to know what he did. The post on the coaching staff knowing what he did and he won't be back no matter what happens with the appeal must mean it is something pretty damn serious.
If he screwed up that bad, then he doesn't deserve to be on the team. It is just a shame to lose a talented kid.
Well... thinking about who will replace him will have a season of experience under their belt and eliminate questions at that position next season. It is better to know we have stellar DB's this year and not have questions at other defensive positions. Just need another solid tackler with speed!
What I don't get is why did he delete all his tweets? His insta still has stuff up? Also in my search to find one of those sites that logs all tweets I did catch something about trust no one, but not sure if that was older or not. I feel like something happened on Twitter that is integral to this case.
Just spoke to my pipeline son in law and he hasn't a clue. That exhausts my connections.
Facyson's health just got way more important in my mind. I think we can find an okay replacement at rover, but I don't think we're in a position to find replacements at rover AND field corner.
If Facyson's hurt, Clark moves from FS to CB. And we're pretty stacked at FS, so that may not hurt as much.
Rovers are all young, though, I agree with that.
Assuming Facyson is good to go, and Clark obviously entrenched at FS then, who is the best option at rover to replace Reavis? Riley would definitely get consideration, but I remembered there being some question about his tackling ability. Frye would be a good bet, along with younger Edmunds or even Alexander. Lots of options, albeit a bit murky at this point. Would Riley be our #1 nickel or possibly Mook?
Could he have been involved with an agent or something? I mean that's no means to dismiss him from school maybe said agent had given him tests and helped him cheat or something too and then pulled out? Idk
The entire USC/Reggie Bush fiasco was about benefits Bush received from his agent and nothing about the school.
If thats the case it pushes VT even further away
If it's no means to dismiss him from school -- and the whole thing is about him being dismissed from school - then why are you even raising this as a possibility?
Easy guy I'm just spitballing what the possibility is, and I've learned a lot more about this since. I was just trying to wrap my head around all of this
It is all speculation. It's just interesting that Shai McKenzie gets in trouble with the law and doesn't get kicked out of school, and C.J. Reavis gets into no legal trouble but gets kicked out of school. If it's for cheating on a test or something like that, I can understand. But, the fact that this student conduct committee didn't get involved with Shai McKenzie's debacle, especially after everything that went down with Marcus Vick, is a little strange to me.
They did get Involved, he had a hearing.
Okay, thanks--however, what could C.J. Reavis possibly have done worse than Shai??
VT defines sexual misconduct as "sexual contact without consent". Having consensual sex isn't against school rules.
At the time of his student conduct hearing he had not been convicted. However, I suppose his (McKenzie's) recent conviction could lead to further action.
I suspect there are things in here (edit: sorry, I see this is already posted below) http://www.hokiehandbook.vt.edu/codeofconduct/ that can get you suspended or dismissed that don't involve the state/federal legal sysytem.
Okay, thank you for clearing that up. And thanks for the link. You'd be surprised at some of the student conduct incidents I've heard of....
I could be wrong and I don't want to start any rumors but the only thing I can think of that is a dismissal from school by student conduct is getting caught with drugs. I'm pretty sure that's a zero tolerance policy. I know nothing about CJ's situation, but that's all I can think of.
If thats the case then how did Journell stay in school?
That whole Journell deal is still fishy to me... I seriously doubt his last incident that led to his permanent dismissal from the team was something as subtle as breaking and entering to steal drugs.
Since when is breaking and entering to steal drugs subtle?
Compared to assaulting someone I guess.
Want to bet? ooops!
According to Turk it involves something non-criminal, so not drugs.
You have a link to that other article?
http://www.richmond.com/sports/college/schools/virginia-tech/article_91b...
This to me does not say that what he did was not illegal, just that the problem is not proceeding through a criminal court. But I'm not a lawyer.
Title IX violation maybe?
There are several items in the Code of Conduct (linked below) that indicate "serious discipline" for first offenses. I won't speculate.
Hm. Yes.
The only problem I have with that is if it's not criminal, it can only be cheating. But allegations of cheating are taken to the Honor Court, not the Student Conduct system, right? Many items in the Student Code of Conduct (http://www.hokiehandbook.vt.edu/codeofconduct/) are also criminal activities.
reading through that, apparently I was quite the hooligan back in the day
My money is on plagiarism
University Honor System doesn't have hearings during the summer, so it wasn't cheating/plagiarism if he was just disenrolled this week. Also, having served on several university honor panels, and trying to get a consensus on guilt, and then a consensus on what level of sanctions to issue was like pulling teeth. I once did one where we had an open and shut case, and people were reluctant to adjudicate to where the kid could be given the double weighted zero. To straight remove him from school would have been damn near impossible unless he's the world's most infamous cheater AND no one on the panel knew he was going to start on the football team (like it or not, those considerations are made).
He probably bad mouthed Sam Rogers and for his own safety, they are removing him from the environment...
Ahhh, the old Witness Protection Program plan. OK, maybe so.
I figured it out guys, he must have got caught exploring the steam tunnels. I always heard rumors you'd get expelled for getting caught down there.
If that's what it is... Would make a whole lot of sense though. Not criminal, not academic.
you can get expelled for that? Dang. I made four or five excursions down there in my time. Accidentally set off an alarm in Pamplin one december after graduation. Me and my friends hightailed it back into the tunnels and then one of the guys started freaking out and demanded to get out at the next grate. Didn't realize that it was dead center of the drillfield in front of williams hall. 5 (?) more grates and it would have been nice and hidden in the bushes of the Ag quad, but blacksburg was so dead any way no one caught us scrambling out into the open.
How does one get down there? Asking for a friend.
all the following information is pure hearsay and conjecture:
many mechanical rooms in buildings might have access to the tunnels since the steam provides a boost for the heating systems and all pipes have to be accessible for maintenance.
All steam pipes might originate in the power plant and you may be able to just walk into the tunnels from the basement of the plant.
all those grates you walk over on the sidewalks and get uncomfortably warm in the summer could possibly lead down to the tunnels. Some of them might even have ladders.
I've heard if you go to the SW corner of the Ag quad, there might be a grate under a bush that is completely concealed (though you might get odd looks walking back there).
Also, after it snows, you can sometimes see tracks heading towards grates. These could be either students accessing the tunnels or a quartet of mutated reptiles retreating to the depths after fighting crime.
If you could dig up a cached version of the now defunct vtunderground.com it has alleged maps and entry points for all the different circuits.
Is it overly nerdy to know that, just from this gif, the map has made its way into someone's hands that doesn't know what it means to be up to no good?
Leg for Phil Dunphy...I live by "Philsosophy"...
You realize if I were to call to call the cops you are screwed, El Chapo
My only problem is the terminology used:
"...lead to the arrest and conviction of..."
It won't be enough just to lead to his arrest. The guy has to stay in jail long enough to have his day in court. Unfortunately, it's not the days of "Wanted Dead or Alive", so someone can't just kill him for that reward.
I mean, it is Mexico. Are we entirely sure they wouldn't put a corpse on trial?
They would probably bury him and say he escaped again and is at large so they could keep the legend alive.
There may or may not be a way to enter from the Washington street side of Cassel, via a grate on the ground. You may or may not be able to tunnel from there all the way to McBryde. I may or may not have been involved in doing so more than once.
You know, there is a lot of ambiguity and uncertainty in this subthread.
Maybe.
Did you or Alum spend any time in Mexico recently working on a tunnel?
If they did I expect a big payday for them and a massive donation to VT shortly thereafter, followed by the largest, most awesome TKP tailgate before the anOSU game.
Yeah, that one on the DF (in front of Davidson actually) is ridiculously easy to access. A swing up the grate and your in there. Its stand up height too. Heard of former students storing their pet reptiles down there.
Unless the "rules" (not sure if there is anything actually written about it) have changed I can confirm that one does not get expelled when caught in the tunnels.
This is way OT but I always heard that Gina Renee Hall's body was down there somewhere or underneath a wing of St. Albans Sanatorium. For those who don't know who Gina Renee Hall is here you go.
http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/h/hall_gina.html
I believe they think she was burned...
Even with burning they would have found something. For cremation, it is 3 hrs at 1300 degrees.(used to embalm) It would be hard to do that without an accelarant for a long time. Between that and trying to clean up the blood that was in the cabin that is alot of work and time that he didn't have. They were on his ass pretty quick from what I remember.
Not unless he threw the ashes in the lake or something...
that would be pretty damn hard to find if you ask me. It's such a sad mystery...
Edit: check out this show that was done at St Albans...i don't really like the show
but it was interesting how they got to talk to the detective leading that case.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MJewbXfH_BE
Ashes are crushed bone, BTW. Fire makes the bones brittle. After the 3 hrs they are put into a large industrial blender for lack of a better term and pulverized. Then put into the urn of your choice.
The fact you know so much about this is a little freaky...just sayin lol
I worked at a funeral home for a long time. It's just things you do everyday.
ahh gotcha...well thanks for the insight and welcome to TKP! :)
I grew up in Radford and remember this all even though I was in elementary school. Reading it gives me chills all over again.
This happened my freshman year....was a big concern for some H.S. lady friends that were attending Radford.
(sigh)
Does anyone else see new posts in this thread and hope upon hope that someone has posted a "big misunderstanding, Reavis is back" type of thing?
Every. New. Post.
Wishful thinking all the way until kickoff.
I found some concerning information about what he allegedly did here: CJ Reavis-cheating, drugs, steam tunnels and how he solved a 1980's murder mystery.
Missed opportunity for a good ol' fashioned Rick-Roll.
Why can't our players be more like Rick and never let us down?
I have no clue what happened here so take this for what it is worth but it is my understanding that it is effectively impossible to win an appeal of this nature.
Beamer can't just walk into the appeal (with Bud Foster giving the panel the look behind him) saying "I need this kid!"??
this isn't FSU or Ohio State...
thinking that was a sarcastic post though??
We're Virginia Tech, not UNC
We punish kids for cheating, not use it as a way to keep them eligible
I was joking.
It is a good thing that players are held accountable.
The entirety of the SEC has no idea what this means, except for Vanderbilt.
Vanderbilt's in the SEC? I thought you had to have SEC speed?
You left out UNC.
UNC isn't in the SEC....
You're right, they probably wouldn't meet the academic standards..
Alright, where's that BURN gif when you need it?
Objection. Assuming facts not in evidence.
So my question based on all of the "news" reported on this this thread is if 1) this is an open and shut case, 2) Beamer and team all knew about this and are prepping accordingly, and 3) these cases are hardly ever over-turned through appeal, why is there a hired lawyer involved in the appeal process (and who suggested he get a lawyer, and who is paying for it).
Seems odd that someone brings council into a private committee for a non-criminal act (especially a college kid who I assume has limited funds for attorney fees) - or that the VT review board would allow third party representation. The whole situation is very strange.
All the boards except the VTCC Honor Corps allow outside representation. Covers the university's ass when appeals come through. Also of note, the lawyer is Jimmy Turk, the official team lawyer, so broke college kid isn't footing the bill. The team is.
Team doesn't pay for lawyers as far as I know.
Correct. No way team pays for it.
Also, I know people are speaking "generally" but does anyone here actually know Reavis' economic situation? Maybe his family can afford it. let's not jump to every conclusion possible. Just sayin.
Found this today regarding Jimmy Turk. I was always curious what his relationship to the team was.
http://hamptonroads.com/2012/05/attorney-goto-guy-va-tech-athletes-facin...
He represented my brother in his case. Was a very stand up guy.
I too have a friend that had a problem solved by Mr. Turk. When I lived in the NRV I ran into him a couple times, extremely polite and relaxed.
For what it's worth, C.J. has been favoriting some players' and coaches' tweets, while not actually tweeting himself. Almost every tweet is football-related. That probably means nothing, but it's the only sign of hope I've seen since the news broke.
interesting........hokiesports has article on ACC releasing 2014-2015 honor roll......
CJ Reavis is on it.....
linky
Probably doesn't mean much. He was still enrolled at the end of the academic year, so he deservedly gets credit for making the honor roll that year.
I believe he is referencing the rampant speculation (myself included) that Reavis was caught cheating and that lead to his dismissal.
That makes it all the more interesting
Bingo - what I'm wondering is that if he was caught cheating, wouldn't that negate his 'earning' the honor roll, and his actual grades would be rescinded accordingly?
I only posted originally because the majority here seemed to be leaning towards the idea that it had to be cheating (myself included, and like FernleyHokie, pure speculation)....and his listing on the honor roll seemed to be in complete disagreement with that hypothesis.
Of course, it may be that the list was being prepared and released as all this was going down, and they didn't catch it in time to remove him from the list, if in fact this all has to do with cheating.......
I'm starting to wonder if it could be something else -just what it could be I cant put my finger on. It's been 25 years since i was a student at Tech, and i can only imagine some of the things that have been added to the student conduct code since then.....
For what it's worth, I've heard from #sources that it potentially has to do with a female. Not sure what part of that fits into their being no authorities involved though.
Cheating would have gone through the honor court, not the Student Conduct Board. As VTBeamer mentioned, my guess is it has to do with a lady. My best guess (literally a guess, no #SOURCES or anything here) is he "got involved" with the wrong lady, a TA or tutor or something inappropriate along those lines.
Getting involved with a TA or tutor would never result in dismissal. In those cases it's usually the teaching party that gets in trouble, not the student.
If it has to do with a girl and is not criminal it can only really be harassment of some flagrant nature. and the girl in question has not pressed charges.
despite the article above I still think it is an academic issue.
Exactly, it's the university employee's responsibility to not get involved. Any punishment arising out of a situation like that would fall solely at the feet of the TA/tutor/professor/whatever.
Source: I work for Tech so....
Well there ya go. Still, I'd be quite surprised if it's purely academic.
Given that it's been stated several times that it was a student conduct issue and not an honor system issue, and also that the honor system doesn't handle anything over the summer, I'd be surprised if it's even a little bit academic.
whoops, forgot, leg to both of you.
In that case, maybe he appropriated school property and forgot to return it. I had a friend who got caught appropriating a comically large item and was nearly dismissed. Again all speculation
That would fit into the whole "it was stupid" thing that I've been told.
This was my thought when I read that it was conduct related and the police were not involved. My money is on some sort of destruction, vandalism, or stealing. Just saying.
Wouldn't those all be crimes potentially prosecutable via the legal system?
I suppose the 'victim' could chose not to press charges, whereas the school may still want to discipline him. Although, I cannot think of something irrelevant enough for a victim not to press charges, but serious enough for the university to consider expulsion.
mmm...sexual harassment was my first thought once the academics thing was questioned. there are a lot of things that will get you fired from the workplace or, i suppose, suspended or dismissed from school, but not cause any legal trouble whatsoever.
Along those lines maybe he pulled a "Peyton Manning" on a female trainer. Who knows? I think we've speculated this thing to death.
When I was at Liberty, they made a rule about going bridge jumping about a week or two after I had gone (Footbridge where the AT crosses the James River). Does VT have any rules like that? I know the steam tunnels have been mentioned already, anything else along those lines? Did they come up with a David Wilson rule after he ran up the side of Cassel maybe?
It was not academic.
this has #sources written all over it. do tell. NOW
jk, sort of... not really. Ok, not at all. Tell us now.
that's all I was told....no more
he is most likely out for the year - at best
Okay, so we know it's not for academics. Otherwise he wouldn't be on the honor roll. I'm really not sure what it could have been in regards to sexual misconduct, because that usually involves trouble with the law. And if it was for marijuana or some other drug-related incident, again, you'd think he'd be in trouble with more than just student conduct. I think it's safe to say that we have absolutely no leads whatsoever as to what he might be in trouble for, other than it being something ridiculously stupid that he does not want released to the public. And I honestly can't conjure up anything "stupid" that would warrant a permanent dismissal from school. Maybe a repeat offense of something? Again, there is no telling. I'm sure when and if we do find out what it is, though, it will be something incredibly stupid, and will most likely give Tech a bad reputation, in addition to what has already transpired with Shai McKenzie. Frank Beamer has done an excellent job of improving the image of Virginia Tech Football since 2005 (Marcus Vick's final year), and I hope that isn't tarnished in one offseason.
look... what these players do when they get in trouble is usually dumb, stupid shit. It never looks good. BUT... these are young college aged kids for crying out loud. The ONLY reason any of this matters to VT perception wise is because they happen to be on the VT team. But I would say 99.9% of every student at VT does something "stupid" that if caught would have resulted in some sort of punishment and if they happened to be on a team would have gotten blown up in the press. But they aren't so it isn't. Moral of the story is despite the transgressions in all there are relatively few at VT and most importantly normal statistically for this age and time of life. Believe me, I have seen non-athlete students do A LOT WORSE.
The real issues come with things like what is happening down at FSU, which seems to have been too loose on keeping kids in line. Give an inch, they take a mile.
All in all, I think Frank has always maintained a healthy balance on punishment/reaction to incidents, and for the most part, except for Marcus "worst Hokie ever" Vick, a fair amount of second and third chances to deserving kids. At least as far as any of us are privy to.
So while stuff like this sucks from a team point of view and obviously looks bad, ultimately it will not affect VT's reputation or derail it's progress forward as an institution or team.
I agree with you except I believe Journell was given too many chances as well. Kid was bad news, and never learned from his second and third chances.
Agreed on Journell as well. Overall I would say there are only a handful or less of players that fit this bill
I still wonder how Journell got mixed up with that stuff. He comes from Giles County. Not exactly a place you'd expect someone to get involved with the stuff he was in.
Oh, Giles has PLENTY of drugs.
the rate of meth, alcohol, and tobacco use is highest in rural counties and smaller towns and cities
My in laws live in Giles. Journell was a miscreant all through high school. He thought he was real tough in the "gangs" of Giles County.
I'm from Giles. I know all about his high school exploits that were swept under the rug. That's why I was never surprised when he got in trouble in college. Shame to piss away talent.
This thing with Reavis is weird. I read on another board that there was "a lot of stuff to his troubles" as well as they were amazed it has been kept this quiet and the facts were shocking. Who knows, all I know is we need him on the field this year. Just hard to say what he would have done with no police involved and no grades involved to get him kicked out of school.
The appeal process was 7-10 days? We should be hearing soon, right?
Is a statement released or is it something that will take some investigation?
I believe it is closed unless you file for the records legally. Could be wrong.
Could he have possibly pulled a Jamis and had an outburst on campus that certain individuals took offense to?
Unless that outburst was severely more vulgar, and uttered directly to President Sand's wife, while CJ ran naked through a building he broke into, holding a stolen beer, I kinda doubt it.
I remember him posting on Twitter a screenshot of an email from a professor. Could this be the cause? I remember some professors putting some sort of disclaimer on emails.
That might explain taking down all his tweets.
Edit: Tried finding a cached version of his twitter for said screencap. All I found was the first comment on the thread about the credible threat where he tweeted the email from his prof warning people. If that's the one, then I doubt it's the issue here.
Minus the President Sand's wife part, this would all be pretty baller.