Who do you pull off the field to get him on? He hasn't thrown in how long? If he could stil throw he would have at least tried to fight for that QB spot.
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I wonder if Miller is going to crack the lineup at H-back... Marshall and Wilson were already fast, quick, dynamic playmakers at H-back and Miller has to learn the position from scratch.
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First, Miller knows the responsibilities and executions of the H-Back position since he had to know them as starting QB. Second, Miller is as fast and quick as anyone on the entire team, including Marshall and Wilson (and Wilson isn't quite as fast as he's made out to be). Third, no one on the team--and few in the entire country--has the open field moves Miller has. He has always be referred to as a RB playing QB. As a Buckeye fan who has seen every single game, start to finish, that Miller has played at Ohio State, I can assure you he will be 100% ready to assume the starting role at H-back.
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True, but does Miller have the size to handle the amount of hits per game an H-back typically takes? Roscoe Parish was an excellent athlete for the U back in the early to mid-2000s, but that dude got lit up a bunch, which made him liable to turnover the ball (see Deangelo Hall Miami 2003). When Miller was playing QB, defenses had to focus on him passing the ball first, and then worry about him running. Now, every time Miller has the ball, it is most likely going to be him just running the football (although I do expect to see some trickery). This means that he could find himself being tackled by 3 or 4 guys on multiple plays, depending on how many times he touches the ball. A quarterback (and yes, I still consider him a quarterback) is not supposed to have this happen, unless you're Logan Thomas, of course.
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And yes, I do realize that Miller is much bigger than Parish was, but I think Miller is not as accustom to getting hit like an H-back does, and this certainly won't develop by game 1.
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The dude is 6'2" and 215+ lbs and has been a running QB for two years against tough defenses. He does not shy away from hits. He averaged 14+ carries a game in 2013 at 6.25 ypc, so he can easily handle the H-back position.
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2013--before he hit the injury train.. if he can't even throw a football well enough to play qb a big hit or two in the arm and that's going to hurt like hell..
easily handle the h back position is a little laughable. h back has to do more than taking hits.. he also has to learn to block, and we all know that's not an easy task.
we will just have to wait and see if this is just a gimmick or does UM really think it will work.
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You can't deny the fact that he's going to get hit more as an H-back than he ever will as a quarterback. And while he is big enough to handle it, he did have a pretty serious injury. I do think Braxton Miller was easily a top 10 athlete in college football before getting injured, and by mid-season he will be able to handle that role, but against Tech, I'm not so sure.
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I can't agree that he will be hit more, but he will be likely hit harder by the LBs as he's looking back to receive a pass and not ahead at the defenders. Plus, he won't be able to slide to avoid the hit. I don't know if that's necessarily his style, but getting to the sidelines to avoid the hit won't be as easy of an option when catching passes in the middle of the field. It will be a completely different style of hit that he'll receive. And even the best athletes can have a hard time figuring out routes and timing in a new position.
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I honestly don't think he is going to see more hits as an H-back than as QB, hes not going to be on the field every play at the position. I see him playing maybe 12-18 snaps a game at most. maybe and that's a BIG maybe he can catch the ball and see the field more but I just don't see it. the guy is now a rinkle. hes no Ronnie brown or Cadillac Williams hes not going to be an every down back. I doubt he ever throws a block. he will carry out fakes and run the ball or maybe catch some passes here and there. that's about it.
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Barring further injury, of course. Did I say that out loud?
All kidding aside, Miller has been a stellar football player, but that last occurred nearly 2 years ago. I hope he is fully recovered and able to enjoy a similar career on Sundays after this season, but until he hits the field again and produces, he is a huge question mark, at best.
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I would rather have him at H than QB. Simplifies his game by a lot. If he beats us as a WR, props, maybe we will see him on Sunday, if he beat us at qb, I couldn't live with it.
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So, is there any sort of explanation for what H-back is, other than "hybrid WR" position?
I'm just a little confused on the terms. And there's probably a good chance it's been explained somewhere on this site, but we do have a lot of long topics regarding this game already.
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In Urban Meyer's offense the H-back is a hybrid running back/WR position. They will often line the H-back in the slot as a normal receiver, bring him in motion on jet sweep action, or motion him into the backfield for a two back set. It is the vaunted Percy Harvin position that every recruit for spread teams was supposedly gonna play since 2006. The H-back in other offenses is more of a hybrid tight end/fullback sort of thing.
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I'd guess it would make Bud's life a little bit easier now that he can focus on only two QBs rather than one.
He's a playmaker who will now be on the field more. He's also a halfback with experience throwing the ball.
So he does bring a wrinkle.
True, but at least they know what they're dealing with now!
Who do you pull off the field to get him on? He hasn't thrown in how long? If he could stil throw he would have at least tried to fight for that QB spot.
Big mistake announcing this early, now Foster has more time to prepare. * gonna be hurting on Labor day methinks...
I kinda expected this, so this doesnt really add much imo
I wonder if Miller is going to crack the lineup at H-back... Marshall and Wilson were already fast, quick, dynamic playmakers at H-back and Miller has to learn the position from scratch.
First, Miller knows the responsibilities and executions of the H-Back position since he had to know them as starting QB. Second, Miller is as fast and quick as anyone on the entire team, including Marshall and Wilson (and Wilson isn't quite as fast as he's made out to be). Third, no one on the team--and few in the entire country--has the open field moves Miller has. He has always be referred to as a RB playing QB. As a Buckeye fan who has seen every single game, start to finish, that Miller has played at Ohio State, I can assure you he will be 100% ready to assume the starting role at H-back.
True, but does Miller have the size to handle the amount of hits per game an H-back typically takes? Roscoe Parish was an excellent athlete for the U back in the early to mid-2000s, but that dude got lit up a bunch, which made him liable to turnover the ball (see Deangelo Hall Miami 2003). When Miller was playing QB, defenses had to focus on him passing the ball first, and then worry about him running. Now, every time Miller has the ball, it is most likely going to be him just running the football (although I do expect to see some trickery). This means that he could find himself being tackled by 3 or 4 guys on multiple plays, depending on how many times he touches the ball. A quarterback (and yes, I still consider him a quarterback) is not supposed to have this happen, unless you're Logan Thomas, of course.
And yes, I do realize that Miller is much bigger than Parish was, but I think Miller is not as accustom to getting hit like an H-back does, and this certainly won't develop by game 1.
The dude is 6'2" and 215+ lbs and has been a running QB for two years against tough defenses. He does not shy away from hits. He averaged 14+ carries a game in 2013 at 6.25 ypc, so he can easily handle the H-back position.
2013--before he hit the injury train.. if he can't even throw a football well enough to play qb a big hit or two in the arm and that's going to hurt like hell..
easily handle the h back position is a little laughable. h back has to do more than taking hits.. he also has to learn to block, and we all know that's not an easy task.
we will just have to wait and see if this is just a gimmick or does UM really think it will work.
You can't deny the fact that he's going to get hit more as an H-back than he ever will as a quarterback. And while he is big enough to handle it, he did have a pretty serious injury. I do think Braxton Miller was easily a top 10 athlete in college football before getting injured, and by mid-season he will be able to handle that role, but against Tech, I'm not so sure.
I can't agree that he will be hit more, but he will be likely hit harder by the LBs as he's looking back to receive a pass and not ahead at the defenders. Plus, he won't be able to slide to avoid the hit. I don't know if that's necessarily his style, but getting to the sidelines to avoid the hit won't be as easy of an option when catching passes in the middle of the field. It will be a completely different style of hit that he'll receive. And even the best athletes can have a hard time figuring out routes and timing in a new position.
I honestly don't think he is going to see more hits as an H-back than as QB, hes not going to be on the field every play at the position. I see him playing maybe 12-18 snaps a game at most. maybe and that's a BIG maybe he can catch the ball and see the field more but I just don't see it. the guy is now a rinkle. hes no Ronnie brown or Cadillac Williams hes not going to be an every down back. I doubt he ever throws a block. he will carry out fakes and run the ball or maybe catch some passes here and there. that's about it.
That he doesn't shy away from hits is the issue. How can you say that injury isn't a concern when he's been hurt 6 times (to varying degrees) and missed 17 total games because of it?
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Barring further injury, of course. Did I say that out loud?
All kidding aside, Miller has been a stellar football player, but that last occurred nearly 2 years ago. I hope he is fully recovered and able to enjoy a similar career on Sundays after this season, but until he hits the field again and produces, he is a huge question mark, at best.
I would rather have him at H than QB. Simplifies his game by a lot. If he beats us as a WR, props, maybe we will see him on Sunday, if he beat us at qb, I couldn't live with it.
So, is there any sort of explanation for what H-back is, other than "hybrid WR" position?
I'm just a little confused on the terms. And there's probably a good chance it's been explained somewhere on this site, but we do have a lot of long topics regarding this game already.
In Urban Meyer's offense the H-back is a hybrid running back/WR position. They will often line the H-back in the slot as a normal receiver, bring him in motion on jet sweep action, or motion him into the backfield for a two back set. It is the vaunted Percy Harvin position that every recruit for spread teams was supposedly gonna play since 2006. The H-back in other offenses is more of a hybrid tight end/fullback sort of thing.