Virginia Tech is still without its projected starter at rover this season. According to Andy Bitter of the Roanoke Times, C.J. Reavis lost his student conduct hearing appeal.
Safety C.J. Reavis lost his appeal of a student conduct hearing decision yesterday. He remains dismissed from Virginia Tech. #Hokies— Andy Bitter (@AndyBitterVT) July 29, 2015
Turk reiterated nothing criminal is being pursued against Reavis. "The commonwealth's attorney wouldn't touch this with a 10-foot pole."— Andy Bitter (@AndyBitterVT) July 29, 2015
Turk said he'll talk to Reavis & his family about any legal options they might pursue. Didn't specify what those would be aimed at. #Hokies— Andy Bitter (@AndyBitterVT) July 29, 2015
French examined what the Hokies might do on the field in Reavis' absence.
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Unhappy lawyer:
(edit...moar tweets)
That's really something then, sounds like Reavis is gone for good unless he gets a court injunction.
Worked for Bruce Smith!
Do tell
From Wikipedia: Leading up the the 1984 Independence Bowl...
I believe the 'illegal gifts' was a cord of wood for his father or something crazy like that. I've heard some of the ol' timers rant about the 'cord of wood' in the past.
Can't say it was a cord, but it was firewood, I had heard a truckload, and it was a Hokie booster that delivered it free of charge. It was a tempest in a teapot, but it was touch and go there for a while. Since he was a senior, it was over after the bowl game, but Hokie Nation was worried for a while, there.
Edit: I think he was a senior, anyway. And we did win that game, that I know! I think.
Nope....we lost to Air Force. But it was Bruce's last game
Thanks for that. I hate the loss of memories, but other than that, getting old really sucks! A friend of mine went to that game and brought us back a program that I kept for years, but details? Gone. Leg for your help, and next time I'll either take the time to Google or just leave it out. If I can remember to.
Va Tech's NCAA "violations" dealing with Bruce Smith,
1) Father acquired a truck load of firewood from a Va Tech Alumnus, left in the Smith's yard in the summer. Bruce Smith had to chop the wood that was left. Some say Bruce's father had to arrange for the actual delivery, as it was not delivered by the Alumnus.
"It was a question of right and wrong," Smith said. "I did nothing wrong. I wasn't the one to be punished. That wood that my father was supposed to have gotten, I had to chop that wood. Somebody brought it to the house and dumped it in the yard. It was 90 degrees outside and my father couldn't go after it. He can't walk across the room and bend over for something without coughing. He's real sick. Somebody just wanted him to have a nice, warm winter. He would have done it himself and it would have killed him. It's tough to keep him put, so I did it. And then here comes the NCAA . . . "
2) Va Tech had 5 in-home contacts during recruitment with the Smith family, rules allowed 3 contacts.
3) Va Tech paid for 3 trips to Va Tech by Bruce Smith during recruitment, rules allowed 1 paid trip.
Thanks for fixing that up. I honestly remember only the wood issue. Doubt seriously if Bruce "chopped" the wood, though. Probably split it, hauled and stacked it. But, that's semantics and doesn't change the story. If he actually was delivered lengths of wood and then chopped it up with an axe, well, more power to him. That would be a real chore.
So what you guys are saying is VT's been chopping wood for a LONG time. Me like
I remember in one of the articles in the Richmond Time Dispatch, where the Tech athletic department was commenting that some of NCAA "violations" may not have helped and probably hurt their recruiting. Bruce Smith having to split the wood was mentioned. Another "violation" was the incident where recruits were provide transportation using a basic University grounds maintenance work van when the roads were covered with snow, as the van had snow tires for better traction.
Yes, I wasn't sure of the condition of the as-received firewood, so I used Bruce Smith choice of words "chopped". If the wood had to be cut to length, I sure hope Bruce had a chain saw.
Gather round and let me tell you a little story......
....and thus the legend of "CHOPPING WOOD" was born.
I helped
I'd like to keep an eye out on Reavis just to see how he turns out.
Still can't believe nothing has been said about what in the world he did. The lawyer is blasting the school and it looks bad for the time being but there are two sides to this story.
I'm really at a loss. He always seemed like more of a goofball than a thug. All I've heard is, "it was stupid" and apparently the lawyer thinks the school is the stupid party.
Yea I'm not going to go the extent of calling him a thug or anything like that but at this point I'm not sure why nothing has come out about why it's all happening.
I mean, these kids' legal/academic issues don't really need to be public knowledge. But I agree, I too am very curious about what he did.
You're right, it just seems a little unfair to allow the lawyer to say what he did without some type of background info
If it were a legal issue, there would be a record of the charges.
At first, I thought it was academic - but Turk's comments have muddied that theory as well.
Turk's comment's make me think that it was probably something that is technically illegal, but wouldn't usually be prosecuted (stealing condiment packets from a dining hall, filling his backpack with toilet paper from a public bathroom on campus for use at his apartment, jaywalking, etc.) or a situation where the school has a more strict standard of behavior than the law requires (sexual harassment along the lines of cat calling that wouldn't meet the legal standard of being illegal but is a violation of the school's standard or the law considering someone legally capable of sexual consent, but the school having a stricter standard of when someone is able to consent).
I'm not mocking you, but just thinking about any of the above possibilities. WTF are we talking about if any of these are the reason a kid is getting kicked out of school, even if a second offense. Forget football for a second and his status as a key player, this is crazy for any student at VT and the impact on their life.
The first group of examples were admittedly a bit absurd, but I was having trouble thinking of less absurd examples. Given Turk's reaction to everything, it could be something that absurd though. That said, I think that the sexual harassment or question of sexual consent options are most likely. Turk's comments about how the DA wouldn't touch the case leads me to think that its something where there is a comparable charge that could be brought in court but the offense itself or the evidence for it doesn't meet the standard required to bring charges. I tend to think that it is something sexual because colleges have gotten hyper-sensitive about that type of thing and federal policy changed recently to encourage a lower Preponderance of Evidence standard of proof in college judiciaries when sexual complaints are considered. Also most of the examples that I've seen of colleges being sued by men after disciplinary hearings involve alleged sexual assault and usually also involve a lack of due process, some examples being linked below:
http://college.usatoday.com/2015/06/01/former-amherst-student-challenges...
http://www.wsj.com/articles/former-cornell-student-sues-school-alleging-...
http://www.latimes.com/local/la-me-sexual-assault-legal-20140608-story.h...
oh you mean like a possible rapist suspect standing on a table yelling eff her right in the p*ssy?? something like that?
Conspiracy theory:
My guess is it was a prank/hazing that went too far. Probably something a little gross, maybe involving bugs or rats or bodily fluids or something in someone's dorm/on school property. Something that is technically breaking in and/or vandalism, but really just a prank that went too far.
This would explain why Turk hasn't publicly discussed the allegation (b/c it would be a little weird/offensive to some, thus damaging CJ's reputation), would explain why the school handled it (because it happened in a dorm/classroom/on campus) and would explain why law enforcement isn't involved (because it wouldn't be that big of a deal). Potentially, the "victim" (assuming this prank was directed at an individual - not necessarily the case) was someone with connections (parents are donors or something).
No #sources, 100% speculation, but it definitely fits the bill.
Could be accidental property damage on campus of some sort. It could also be some type of trespassing, like getting on top of a building or something. It could be anything really that is technically illegal but not done with bad intention. Or it could be something really bad and Turk was just in a more defensive mood than normal.
I agree this could be the case but I'm hard pressed to imagine a prank that results in expulsion without a criminal charge.
I had a buddy in the cadets. He told me some stories of pranks they did. Very imaginative, often times with an undesirable clean up.
Those types will still result in vandalism charges. Pranks are not it.
My dad claimed back in the day that they disassembled a prof's car and hoisted to the top of the Engr bldg and reassembled it one night. He of course disavowed any knowledge of this act.
The best dorm prank I can recall was someone sawing off my neighbors doorknob one evening and super gluing it to the door jamb at the same height. Upon arrival home (pretty drunk) he gave it a turn, it came off in his hand and he wandering around moaning about how "they sawed off my fucking doorknob" for about 1/2 hour. He never locked the door and we'd taped the bolt open so no foul. Even the campus Mtce ppl thought it was pretty funny when they came over the next day to replace it.
We were pretty rowdy. Penny locking doors, dust pans at the base of the door and peeing into one's room, running by and hitting people sitting by open doors with flour bombs, and more. There were a bunch more, but I feel like this was already enough...
I was in the class of '14. As a freshman, you have to memorize a bunch of relatively useless facts, one of which was that there were 13 gargoyles around campus. Finding this number wholly unacceptable, a group of us got into War Memorial Gym after hours, climbed up on the roof, and cemented a 14th gargoyle onto a corner of the building. Probably the single most interesting night of my time in Blacksburg.
One of my classmates in the corps was literally kidnapped and painted blue by the rats, then thrown in the Duck Pond. Ended up being lead based paint. Called pullin' shit in our day, that was one prank that went wrong, and almost went waaaay wrong. Today, I envision someone going to jail and/or a lawsuit or two, at the very least. I recall it being basically handled, but in house.
I swear I've heard that story before.
But I'm sure that upperclassman deserved it. :)
bluehokie, you're too young to be him, but actually, even though he was one of my "buddies", he deserved all but how sick he got from the lead in the paint. He was a ballbuster, I was more of a rat daddy.
Maybe he's the serial golf course pooper from the article I saw linked in the Fighting Gobbler terrorizing UM thread
The school can't talk. Privacy issues. if they did, then they could get hit or that too. Turk know that as well.
This makes me a sad Panda. That being said, next man up...
Give it to the next best athlete, physically speaking. Gotta be Riley if he can step up in the run game.
Right there with you
I am very curious what he did now. They seem to be unusual responses.
The more I read about this situation, the more I suspect it's something like this, which seems to be happening more and more frequently on college campuses across America:
http://www.mindingthecampus.org/2015/06/amhersts-version-of-kafkas-the-t...
If something like this is what happened to CJ, I wouldn't blame him for being really pissed off too.
Wow that article...
I kind of hope that this goes to the courts. The council at Tech always tended to rub me the wrong way, and the fact that it sounds like he's expelled from a public university on the grounds of something that legal courts wouldn't touch... I don't know, that's not right.
Hope this sets a precedence and I hope this allows for the proceedings of this council to be more transparent. When you're talking about a council that can legitimately impact the future of anyone on campus, it needs to be as transparent a council as it gets, and the members need to be held publicly accountable for anything that they decide.
Maybe I'm missing your point but no one knows what he did.... For all we know, the council didn't release any information about it out of respect for the kid. If the lawyer and/or CJ wanted the information to be known, we'd know about it by now.
And that's the thing. It isn't known what happened, and maybe it should be known. How are other students going to know where that line is to not cross when you're not willing to disclose what happened. How are students going to accurately argue their own case when they're not allowed to know about any precedents that have previously been set? The proceedings of what happens with this council should be public record the second they are finalized.
I am grappling with this, too. I appreciate individual privacy protections, but to me, if a student is dismissed from a public university, then the record of that fact and the proceedings should be public for holding the school accountable, as well as for public oversight of the students' rights.
Agreed with this. And really, it should apply to all schools, public and private, but it should definitely apply to public universities. As taxpayers, we certainly have a right to know if our tax money is being used to fund a council that is routinely overstepping its bounds and dismissing students for trivial matters.
Look, Reavis' dismissal could be completely legit and appropriate, but the fact that taxpayers, students, parents, and alumni who are helping to fund this council are not allowed to know what they actually do is disturbing.
I think I agree but where do we draw the line of what is and isn't public? Grades aren't public. I can appreciate the attempt at privacy I guess but there does have to be some transparency in how rules are enforced.
That's why I'm grappling with this a bit - where do we draw the line? Grades are off-limits and thus so is any action in the Honor Court, which solely judges academic violations. That's protected by federal law. I don't know what the jurisdiction or oversight is on the Student Conduct board. I don't feel like its proceedings should be secret. Seems like the potential for abuse is extremely high here. Maybe Reavis catastrophically screwed up. Maybe he didn't. The fact that a student at a public university was dismissed and the public can't know why troubles me.
They may become public, but right now they are not.
Per Andy Bitter:
And the fans. Don't forget the fans. Feels pretty damn tragic from my house, too.
Seriously, though. That statement REALLY adds some fuel to the fire.
I don't know if this still holds true, but I'm fairly sure that RAs used to have access to the Student Conduct database as they/we were the ones who entered the conduct issues in, typically. It's possible, though VERY much an abuse of privilege, that a current RA could look up what happened if they had the right information. No promises there.
No longer holds. Can input referrals, and potentially see feedback on those you've referred, but no access to the system at large.
The language used when determining what is heard as an appeal sounded a lot like the Honor System (http://honorsystem.vt.edu/HSConstitution/hs_constitution.html - Article VI, section 4).
Honor System hearings are protected by FERPA unless the student waives his right - in this case he would have even had to waive it with regards to his attorney (it's also required to discuss specifics with parents).
First offenses at Tech are never eligible for expulsion (unlike UVA - where they're required). Second convictions are automatic expulsions, regardless of how trivial the first or second offense might seem. Because of the gravity of the sanctions of a 2nd offense, we were always extra careful to make sure that every policy was followed to the letter, and were routinely in contact with the university lawyers to make sure everything followed policy (that was approved by the Board of Visitors).
Source: was a justice on the honor system at Tech, but graduated in 2010
The student can release it if he wants too. The school can't. He can also go to court to enforce his rights if he believes he was wronged.
I disagree. This is not a criminal issue, and Reavis can disclose the details if he wants too. It is not the school keeping things from us, it is Reavis. As curious as I am, I respect Reavis' privacy, and his decision to remain quiet. If he wanted to bring this out in hopes that the public can interceed, that is his choice. Right now he hasn't made that choice.
edit: Okay someone has already made this point...apologies
Yea I agree. On the surface it very much seems like they're trying to make an example out of him to say that athletes will not get special treatment and going a little far with it.
I work in the legal field so just be aware that everyone's attorney is always going to portray their client as a model citizen. I am not saying the school is right or wrong and the same for revis.
does it suck yes. but if revis wanted the info to come out his attorney could put out a statement. he could have signed a request of vt asking the info remain confidential which is why vt hadn't said anything
I really hope the best for this kid
Not necessarily. I don't know the specifics of VT's sexual misconduct policies but a lot of universities have really changed their policies in recent years and it's really destroying the notion of due process in the name of "empowering victims". Unfortunately, these policies tend to empower accusers and presume the guilt of the accused, rather than trying to actually determine if the accuser is actually a victim. I linked to a story from Amherst College a few comments up where a guy was expelled for allegedly sexually assaulting his girlfriend's roommate. The only problem is that he was blacked out drunk and she was the one who initiated the encounter. The entire process is grossly unfair to the accused and gave him almost no opportunity to assert his innocence.
That all may be true, but I don't see how it impacts the ability (or lack thereof) of Reavis to give his attorney the ok to release information.
These policies often require permission of the accuser (which you're not going to get) in order to speak publicly about the incident, as I understand it. Note: I'm no expert on the subject, just a guy who's read several such horror stories in recent years.
It's not a legal proceeding. Virginia Tech has no legal jurisdiction over what Reavis can or can not say about the circumstances, his role in the events, or discussing who his accusers are or what they are accusing him of.
As noted in the Amherst case, even the accused has redacted his name. Trust me you do not want your name and rape(or any kind of sexual misconduct) searchable on the internet. In this situation, C.J. has no opportunity to do such a thing. We are not even sure what happened but if it involves anything sexually related, it is best to keep it under wraps for his own well being.
If it were you, would you want the proceedings to become part of a permanent public record...one that would accessed by every potential future school and/or employer?
If Reavis really believes that he has been wronged and it is worth taking his case to the legal system -- or he wants the details known for review by the court of public opinion (with all of the potential drawbacks I mention above) -- he can choose to release his records. Until he does, it's really nobody's business.
Not necessarily some types of proceedings cannot be released without the accuser AND accused's approval. This isn't a legal matter because the court system wont touch it for whatever reason and as such there is no public record. This leads me to believe it's probably sexual in nature, maybe harassment. Given how the uproar about athletes and sexual offenses has been lately it could be setting an example. And these things can lead to jumping to conclusions and witch hunts.
Or it could be a dumb prank, but I don't think that would get an expulsion on first offense and there'd probably be more details and others knowing or involved. The last thing could be there is no one else involved and he actually did cheat and doesn't want to admit it.
Either way, I'm extremely curious as to what it is.
To my knowledge, the 1st amendment (short of slander) allows Reavis to say/release however little or much he wants to say about the circumstances. VT does not legally have the same freedom.
Well shoot, what're they gonna do, expel him?
The Constitution only applies to the government. Institutions of education, even public, have been shown to be exempt time and time again. College tribunals have been violating due process for years and they have been upheld most of the time with a few cases making headway in recent years.
I mean he could say whatever the hell he wants about his case. The 1st Amendment doesn't protect him from the school or other party from coming after him for violations of whatever terms he agreed before or after his tribunal or appeal.
Which is why since I'm thinking that since this isn't criminal, there has to be something either involving another person that can be protected or he's just trying to come off as innocent to not hurt his reputation.
The Constitution applies to all government entities, especially public colleges. Hundreds of Supreme Court cases on colleges and how the Constitution applies:
Sweatt v. Painter (lead up to Brown v. Board of Education) - segregation in a Texas law school
Regents of California v. Bakke - Admissions policy at UC Davis Med School
Gratz v. Bollinger - Undergraduate affirmative action at U. Mich
Grutter v. Bollinger - Graduate program affirmative action at U. Mich
United States v. Virginia (VMI) - whether VMI can continue to deny women admission into VMI
Fisher v. University of Texas - Admissions policy at Univ. of Texas undergrad
Due process, as you're describing, is for criminal court (right to fair, speedy trial, no self-incrimination, etc.). You could argue that Reavis has a "right to education" and thus violating his due process. This argument has been made before, but the Supreme Court has never found that a right to education exists. Thus, no due process violation.
How could they be setting an example if no one knows what happened?
I don't mean that facetiously. I can see the point in cracking down on any type of sexual misconduct that may not quite meet the standard of a criminal case. But if no one ever knows thats why, then it really is not much of an example.
I have a funny feeling that maybe we on the outside are the only ones in the dark here. Hopefully, those in the know are the ones who can benefit from the disposition of this case.
No, AZHokie is spot on. I saw many a JR case where the decision to come down harshly or by the letter of the law was made so as to not set a precedent. Yet, all those decisions are kept confidential so it makes precedent to no one except those actually making the decision. And frankly, often the people making these decisions are hired or elected and are by no means an expert or overly qualified to do so.
Im so confused. Originally I wanted to be furious at Reavis. Now I want to be furious at the council. But I have absolutely no information so I have to idea where to aim my frustration...somebody help?
Blame Paul Johnson.
I have it on good authority that Matt Ryan was his co-conspirator.
Stinespring has broad shoulders
My #sources told me that Urban Meyer put him up to it.
The Lannisters
This seems to be more of a move by Little Finger, but made it look like it was the Lannisters.
VT disaster of this magnitude? Blame it on that clown A-Aron Rodgers.
Five days, 22 hours, and no one has blamed Curt Newsome?
He probably had something to do with it.
He cast the deciding vote on the appeal panel.
We don't know what happened in this case, apparently nothing criminal, and he gets dismissed from the school by the student council? Remember Michael Holmes a few years back? Now, we did get the facts there, he got involved in a fight. But IIRC it was a pretty big surprise when the student council dismissed him as well. I fully appreciate student athletes being held to a higher standard than the normal student, but some of these cases seem extreme in their punishment (we'll have to wait and see if we ever find out what the facts are in case with CJ). It's just my opinion.
Hey, things could be worse... at least we don't/didn't go to UVA...
also, i know people have talked about cheating/academic issues, but wouldnt that be held with the honor court and not student conduct? all i know is ive had a few friends face ridiculous, trumped up punishments for fairly benign things they have done in the past few years. my faith, as a recent grad, is pretty low in the student conduct board.
half the guys on my hall freshman year got kicked out of VT for posting a youtube video of them having a huge party in their dorm room. Granted, they were all underage, etc. but still. Expelled. One strike you're out!
I've never understood why parties have to be documented and shown to the world.
I've posted this before but I have heard from someone within the team that it potentially had to do with a woman. Outside of that I have no other info but take it for what it's worth
#marinades
I am not proud that it took me looking at the image URL to understand what this meant....
Don't feel bad, I googled the image...
Ditto....
I was thinking that dance is not a fox trot.. then...
I read the rules but don't remember if I can go on a rant:
I am fucking lost with this image and the Revis situation. "On the Rocks Tango with a fucking fox headed horse" FUCK! Fuck...fuck! Now I feel better. NO! What the fuck did he do? I am old school and we got away with much more than they can today at VT or anywhere for that fact. Fuck! I want to know what he was dismissed for by the council. I want to make my own decision.
Ok if the courts won't touch the case it could be cheating or some other honor code violation. If it is not that terrible why not come out and tell your story unless they are thinking like reapplying and continuing his education? Can that be done? Whew! Clarke...tighten up your chin strap. Square them up. Raise your head and hit them in the chest. Hey moderators. Feel free to censor this! You know if it was during the season we would have other pressure release valves available.
Even if you haven't figured out the coded image, you have at least agreed with it.
^^^This.
This rant reminds me of the freak out when the case goes cold.
Finally hit home. Finally...
Could it be something as simple as inappropriate touching? Maybe one word against another and not a criminal charge.
No such thing...it is all considered rape now
Really disappointing. I was hopeful that the appeal would go in his favor.
Oh well...we have Torrian Gray and Bud Foster figuring out the replacement.
If they file a lawsuit it will be public pretty fast at that point.
Before we barrage about how unfair it is to one of our beloved players, let's not jump to conclusions about what the university did. I will withhold judgement regarding if the student council did / did not do the right thing until I hear all the facts of the case -- which most likely will never come out, so in which case I will not judge this situation period.
Anytime you have a secret council whose membership is a secret making decisions that are kept secret that directly impact others... that doesn't sit well with me. Reavis could very well be in the wrong and the dismissal was justified, but until those who dole out the punishment are willing to publicly defend why the decision was made, I'll side with the punished.
I don't mean to sound demeaning, but that sounds good in theory - however, I assume there is a basis of why this was made secret. I again assume that this is most likely due to a past situation that the university got burned for making public, so now they make it private and will only make it public with the stakeholders allowance.
I guess my point is that yes, while it does effect others (being the football team) it is still his private affair. If the Lawyer wanted to truly show how outrageous CJ's situation is being handled, I further assume that he could make it public himself -- but he's not, and that's somewhat telling to me.
But as stated, I will not judge on how it's handled.
Are you talking about the college football selection committee?
The CFB Playoff Committee members are known, and they do make an effort to justify their decision after the fact...
It's a secret ballot by parties who all either have a conflict of interest or aren't qualified... but no need to get too far off topic.
http://www.collegefootballplayoff.com/selection-committee
from the Wiki:
So can you tell me which member voted for which teams to be in the playoff and why?
It was meant to be a shot at the selection committee (which I don't like). Just a joke, that's all.
Who controls the British crown?
Who keeps the metric system down?
WE DO! WE DO!
Who. Holds. Back. The. Elec.tric. Car?
Who makes Steve Guttenberg, a star?
We doooo! We doooo!
The Ancient Mystic Society of No Homers
Secret council is in some cases acting as a parallel justice system. If the membership weren't secret, it could be tracked in terms of how the deliberate, investigate, prosecute cases. The danger for such a council itself committing illegal acts is VERY HIGH.
Folks (such as the VT newspaper) for years have been trying to escape the logic of the justice system. If the 30 years quote and reasoning is legit then I would think this is just such a subversion of justice.
Nearby middle school kid 6th or 7th grader took off his shirt on the bus, said "how ya like me now ladies?" and got suspended... WTF... our society has become puritanically stupid.
Best of luck to Reavis. If he doesn't deserve it hope he finds the funds and the publicity to grind this stupid system into the ground.
Hang on - isn't it being kept under wraps because Reavis hasn't authorized them to release that information? How is that a suggestion that they're being unfair to him?
This sounds like FSU fans clinging to straws in hopes that a star player comes back to me.
If there is any indication that a case might, maybe, somehow, possibly be taken to court, you don't release information. There is nothing to gain and a lot to lose by speaking publicly, and the fact that they've kept the incident private says nothing but that their lawyer is competent.
Thought it was kid has a right to anonymity. Kid can say no thanks and the case can be discussed publicly. Have to imagine the school still has to be careful about what they say, however, so don't expect them to come out guns blazing on any particular case.
If it is the Honor System (no way to know really) - their membership is public (made up for faculty and students). All of the information is on their website - http://honorsystem.vt.edu/ContactUS/directory.html
That's all good but Reavis and his attorney could publicly state at any time what this is all about. But they haven't. So that makes you wonder why. If it is SO RIDICULOUS as the attorney claims then just say what it is.
Because if you are going to sue someone you play your cards close to your chest.
The suit is public record. So you have to allege in the filing what your allegations are of misconduct or malfeasance. The other party gets 30 days to respond, then discovery of facts, depositions, etc. It's not shrouded in secrecy.
Clearly airing this out will not look Revis and/or counterparty look very good. His lawyer has been hoping this can be settled behind closed doors. Now we all know it cannot. Ball is in Revis' court as to what he wants to do. Lawyer has tried to make Revis look the aggrieved. Likely Revis is trying to see what other options are available for next year. Finds one he probably moves on. Doesn't find one, maybe pursues lawsuit. Just a guess.
If he were to transfer, I guess he has to sit out a year and might lose a year? When is the deadline to transfer? My guess is he will either sue or transfer very shortly given the timeframe. As much hell as the lawyer is raising my money is on a suit. If he was going to transfer then there would be no point to all the grandstanding. Just a guess
Really, are we looking for cool and collected heads here? Good point!
Can we trade Shai for Reavis?
That being said. I'll reserve judgement until more facts are known.
I didn't know Warren Buffett was such an angry drunk
1) As an average horse, I have no right to any private information regarding CJ Reavis.
2) Someone tell me what the f*ck is going on already because I want to know, d@mm!t.
I guess he needed this guy as his lawyer, but the Delta's case ended up about the same way.
Student Councils actually have a lot of power, checked only by the university administration.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=38ETQ1RYa_Q
I put it to you, Greg.
His lawyer called it a "cavalier decision"
I saw that and thought, ooh, that must be bad!
UVA's long con.
Damn it, I want answers!! :(
Keihn leaving too....
not saying...just saying...
What?!? Since when?
????
If true, when it rains it pours.
Who are you??? (kidding)
I don't like how one can read those after your statement.
Sounds to me like he's about to transfer to UMd.
They are 301.
UMD != Baltimore
Let's try and not start rumors.
It's not a rumor
It's saucy and unconfirmed but I had heard he was looking at a possible transfer. I checked out his Twitter. He and Randy Edsall both follow each other. He and a Maryland recruiting analyst both follow each other. Those are new followers and not from during his recruitment.
Lmao first of all, Future is a rapper so there's that part....The other two could be referring to anything so if those are the "sources" we should probably just relax a little bit.
Little City has
Keihn is from Maryland. Future (the rapper) could be in his hometown area and he isn't. That is what one should read from the last tweet.
Sounds like he has a child he wants to be closer to.
For those that don't internet well (or are unfamiliar with rappers)...
Future is a popular rapper. 410 is the area code for Baltimore. Future (the rapper) played a show in Baltimore on July 25th. That tweet is from July 25th. Connect dots as you wish.
Source: http://www.bandsintown.com/Future/past_events
Also notice that these tweets weren't in a row, they were seperated by almost 12 hours, which makes it read less like someone who's leaving and more like a kid with a good head on his shoulders who listens to Future (the rapper).
Looks like those tweets ( at least the one not about the rapper) were about leaving. Too much smoke for no fire.
Pretty obvious to me what this is... good on you Melvin- you get it and will lead a good life.
Heard him on the phone in the hallway last Friday and it very much sounded like he is going to be leaving. Whoever he was talking to, he mentioned "and he is going to try and convince me to stay, but I'm not."
Next. Man. Up.
He's not coming back so we might as well start looking at our options.
I'm just going to pull for the 22 or so guys that make it on to the field this season, and hope that all involved with is learn from the experience and make improvements where necessary.
I don't know what happened. Been whispers around for a while that Keihn is leaving - UMD folks think he is going there. But "appears" to maybe, kind of , sort of be related to CJ.
Prob doesn't help that we recruited him for LB and are playing him as an undersized DE due to our poor DE recruiting. Just sayin'.
And he'd be, what, our 6th DE option now?
I never understood. Since we're even thinner at LB than DE, why the heck not put him back where he belongs?
Sounds reasonable enough.
Maybe, just maybe, he's just not a LB?
If that's the case, he's a man without a position.
Precisely. Unless you think special teams is a position. He's perfect for that (and I don't mean that in a bad way).
My first fear when reading about CJ was that the situation would create a snowball effect with current players and future recruits. Especially if players think he got shafted.
For those who don't know, Melvin's current struggles are significantly more important than what goes on in Lane Stadium:
Link Here
Listen, if the guy needs to leave Virginia Tech for UMD or another institution, so be it. The guy is a class act and Hokie Nation should be behind him even if he's not wearing O&M. His family is significantly more important than football.
Since you posted it in both, I'll ask in both:
What will being at UMD help with this situation?
Seems like he's buried on the depth chart here and won't get much a chance to see significant playing time. Not many NFL teams are going to draft a guy who can't crack the starting lineup in college. Perhaps he sees Maryland as a place where he will see the field a lot more and get more of an opportunity to impress NFL scouts.
This could be true, however if, like everyone else has mentioned on here, he really is that far down, you would think UMD is just as deep. I see other highly touted recruits who struggle to move up the depth chart, think they can just switch teams, and continue to be in the same spot. Essentially you just fade into the distance.
Our defense is way better than Maryland's, though. And our scheme is certainly different. Even though transferring to someplace like Maryland doesn't guarantee he gets a shot at the NFL, I have a hard time imagining how it could hurt his chances. I wish the kid well.
Can we borrow a Time Out from Time Cop...apparently he doesn't need them and this situation does!
So instead of talking about all these rumors...what does everyone think about how the coaching staff will handle this gap left by Reavis? Do they plan on having him back at all, or will they just implement an entirely new plan?
They don't expect to have him back, possibly ever.
Yea I figured as much. So whats their plan going forward?edit: VTGuitarMan helped me out
http://www.thekeyplay.com/virginia-tech-football/2015/07/9607/virginia-t...
Has anyone gone through the student conduct rules and regulations or whatever and looked up all the various violations? Because if not someone (not me, I'm lazy) should post it and we can do some sleuthing and make less than wild (think zoo lion which is in between wild lion and housecat) conclusions.
http://www.thekeyplay.com/comment/286220#comment-286220
This is why you're the best
I'll repost it here for everyone http://www.hokiehandbook.vt.edu/codeofconduct/
What everyone should be posting right now:
"I know enough to know that I don't know enough to comment on this fairly for any party involved."
This will hurt football wise. Beyond that, let's leave it to the parties involved and not speculate.
BOOM!
There are things that we know are known.
There are things that we know are unknown.
There are unknown things that are unknown.
Think in this case, we're looking mostly at things we known are unknown.
This definitely qualifies as a "known unknown".
So maybe it's best not to speculate, even though it really bugs us.
Eggie....WTF???
To Reavis' attorney and the University:
So I'm like the only person who isn't like, "whiskey-tango-foxtrot," about this? It was obvious when he wasn't telling us why he was before the council that he knew he had done something, and don't want to talk about it. Fine, his fuck-up. As for the council? they don't really have a choice with ridiculous SJW policy implementations...I mean if this were an affiliated website, we'd all be banned for making a joke or typing one "fuck."
I believe AssPocketFullOfWhiskey eloquently pointed this out in a pictogram of sorts above. But I concur.
The really puzzling thing about this is Turk's commentary. He's defended any number of players for knuckle headed/criminal behavior. He's not out declaring they're innocent when by facts and circumstances (like Shai's) they're not. His comments are usually pretty quiet if he says anything at all.
And in this case Turk seems pretty lit up by this and in specifics- "I think it's completely unwarranted and is just against any sense of an application of common sense at all to what they found him responsible for"; "this is about the most tragic set of circumstances I've seen imposed on a young man" - feels like the punishment is far too harsh for whatever he did.
I always worry about due process in campus justice systems. From experience many years ago when a friend was disciplined by an honor system when the prof stapled another student's test to his answer sheet, my concern is that these these authorities can't/won't admit a mistake or do a good job of matching punishment to the crime.
I think C.J. is fundamentally a good kid and; like I did (multiple times) at his age, made a dumb mistake. If this punishment matches the severity of what he did I'd be surprised.
...and yet Shai McKenzie apparently will be back on the team...? Did the student conduct committee review his situation?
Yes and took no action.
But didn't Shai do jail time? They may have thought that was punishment enough.
shai did 15 days of house arrest, but yeah he did serve his time
Worse than the time, is he may be listed as a sex offender.
He won't be.
Shai had consensual sex with a girl who repeatedly presented herself as 18. It's stupid, it's technically illegal, but I wouldn't classify it as wrong. Definitely nothing for Tech to punish him for. Now if Blacksburg High wants to ban him from their campus...
This.
I definitely don't look at Shai as some sort of "bad guy" because of this incident, and it has nothing to do with him being a football player.
Stupid, yes. But I also can't say I might not have done the same given all the circumstances we know regarding this particular issue.
Why in the world did I check TKP tonight?
This is what tonight feels like.
What's wrong with this picture? CJ gets kicked out of school for some supposedly non-criminal infraction by the Student Council, but McKenzie gets convicted of having sex with underage girls and the Student Council looks the other way.
Uhh because misdemeanors are not grounds for dismissal on first offenses. Unless of course VT wanted a lawsuit on their hands for doing so, which it sounds like they are pretty comfortable with given the Reavis details.
Could be a practical joke that the university felt was in poor taste but an actual court of law would laugh at.
Great, just spent hours combing through past tweets and what not. I've noticed that there are people out there who may know what is going on, based on tweets to CJ. Also, there are some websites out there that have past tweets, I was able to read some, but didn't want to join a paysite to see further.
Something tells me there is something in his tweets that has to do with this.
by the way, he still is very much using twitter, he is just favoriting a bunch of stuff and reading what people send his way.
reading tweets regarding this is like reading tea leaves: no one has a damned clue what's going on, but there's lots of crap to look at and any number of ways to twist what little is reported.
The Richmond Times has an article to day, repeating what Turk has said. Turk sounds frustrated and hinted at a possible lawsuit, but then seemed to nix the possibility because of the protections afforded the University in such matters. What a mess! I'm willing to bet we never find out what happened, officially at least. The University likely cannot comment, and if some legal arrangement occurs between Reavis and VT, it will probably ensure Reavis's silence as well. I think we fans have to just shake our heads and move on.
Well at least we know CJ isn't going to transfer to UMD....
Looks like JMU is taking a flyer on him , based on his recent follows/followers
Taking a flyer? I'd say it's closer to them hitting the jackpot
http://virginiatech.247sports.com/Bolt/REPORT-Former-Virginia-Tech-S-CJ-...
That made me a little ill.
:(
Does he have to sit a year when he goes to new place or can he play this season?
Since they are up in the Football Bowl Subdivision, I assume he has to sit for a year. I believe they are full members now, and not on some 5 year transition plan.
Edit, and he'll be back in Lane in 2017 if he goes to ODU.
I mean....I start grad school at ODU this month....so that would be kinda cool?....
that makes me sad. Would he have to sit out a year or is this situation different from a typical transfer?When I started typing that I was the first reply. Y'all are too quick for me.
Edit: That was supposed to be in reply to kff17.
Just read in the Roanoke Times that Dahman McKinnon is back. Check out Bitter's blurb.
French posted that
I keep seeing new comments on this thread and expect to see a revelation. I am constantly disappointed.
And now you have perpetuated it.
And so have I.