Hokies Sift Through Stable of Now-Healthy Running Backs, Develop Continuity on the Offensive Line

The Beamers lay out their plans for the RB rotation, as the OL prepares to open up holes in the run game.

Coaches expect Trey Edmunds (14) to be back at full health this fall. [Mark Umansky]

Frank Beamer insists he's learned his lesson.

After earning his fair share of criticism over the last two years for working too many running backs into the rotation, the head Hokie says this season will be different.

"I think we've got to limit ourselves," Beamer said Tuesday. "Shane (Beamer) learned from that, I certainly learned from that. Just trying to play too many and you've got to get in there and get settled and get into a rhythm and we never allowed that to happen, so we're aware of what needs to take place."

But with five tantalizing options at tailback, that's easier said than done. Beamer says he expects J.C. Coleman, Trey Edmunds and Travon McMillian to earn the bulk of the carries this season, yet the recovering Shai McKenzie and Marshawn Williams could figure into the mix as well.

But with both dealing with the residual effects of ACL tears last year, it remains to be seen how much either one can contribute this year. Many have speculated that one or both could end up redshirting, yet the younger Beamer says the staff hasn't seriously considered that contingency just yet.

"It's nothing we've really discussed as a staff or with either one of them," the running backs coach said. "I think we all know at the back of our heads that it's a possibility. We don't want to play either one of them before they're ready to play."

Yet Shane believes both are rapidly nearing the point where they'll be back at full strength once more. McKenzie is a few months ahead of Williams in his recovery process, simply because he got hurt earlier in the year last season, but both still have some work to do.

"Shai did have his injury earlier than Marshawn, so Marshawn's a little bit farther behind, not just from a health standpoint, but a conditioning standpoint too, being in shape," Shane said. "They both put on some weight, not being able to run a whole lot, so we've got to get their weight down, got to get in shape, so there are a lot of factors at play."

But the position coach does note that he thinks both backs have cleared the mental hurdles inherent in catastrophic knee injuries.

"Shai told me the other day that he feels better than ever, his confidence in his knee is better than ever, that he can tell the difference in the strength of his knee this year right now to last year at this time before he even hurt the knee," Shane said. "I think they're past those mental blocks. The first time that Shai carried the football in a pad situation, we had shoulder pads on the other day, he couldn't wait to get in the huddle and was rearing to go and had a look in his eye that showed he was ready to roll. And the same thing with Marshawn. So I think they're ok from a mental standpoint and they're beyond that, they've attacked the rehab, they were both awesome at the rehab that year in the training room. They're two mature kids, that's for sure."

Yet, for all their progress, the elder Beamer insists that redshirt years are very much on the table for both players, but the team won't make a final decision for a few weeks yet.

"I think we get through preseason and before it's time to play that first game, make a decision at that point the direction you want to go," Frank said. "But you never know about injuries between now and then, things change. And they changed last year on us. But the week before that first game, that Wednesday or Thursday, I think that's when we make decisions."

That sudden change in the RB rotation Beamer alluded to from a season ago remains very much a factor on the coaches' minds. Shane notes that last year's series of RB injuries has the staff wary of taking any player out of the mix too early.

"I think about it all the time, how you handle it," Shane said. "Travon, our staff was probably split going into the first game, do we redshirt him or do we not redshirt him? And we decided to redshirt him, but hindsight being 20/20, he probably would've been our starter if we'd played him."

But the RBs coach has to balance that type of thinking with the chance the staff inadvertently wastes a year of eligibility for a player who ends up marginalized.

"I don't want Shai or Marshawn or J.C. or Trey or Travon standing next to me on the sideline playing two or three plays a game and wasting a year," Shane said.

Even with at least one redshirt in the backfield looking likely, Shane hopes last year's lessons in the "next man up" ethos also trickle down to the backs themselves.

"You're sitting at fourth or fifth today and the next thing you know you could be starting," Shane said. "Jerome Wright was on the scout team then two weeks later he's got a bunch of carries against Miami in a two week span, so that was a good lesson for all those guys and I think more than anything it gave that room confidence."

If Edmunds can return to his 2013 form, that'll go a long way to keep Tech's rotation much shorter this year. So far, Beamer says all signs point to Edmunds returning with a bang this season.

"I think Trey is better than Trey ever was right now," Beamer said. "People ask me 'is Trey back to the Trey of old?' To me, Trey's there and way beyond that. Granted, we're in four days, so temper those expectations, but I think he's looked better than he ever has."

His enthusiasm stems from Edmunds' bulked up new frame.

"He's put on weight, I think he's about 15 pounds heavier than he was in 2013 when he was the starter, I think he's 225 right now, he was around the 210 mark when he got hurt," Beamer said. "He had a great summer, and he's stronger. He's muscled up, he's got a better feel for the running back position."

A new and improved Edmunds will also free up fullback Sam Rogers to move all over the field this year. QB Michael Brewer noted at the ACC Kickoff that the slew of RB injuries forced the Hokies to press Rogers into service as a tailback last season, limiting where the versatile player could see the field.

Shane doesn't think that'll be the case this year.

"We've always used him in the passing game, but I think (OC Scot Loeffler) would always limit him to this, limit him to that," Beamer said. "But now I think with some of the things we're doing in practice, we can put him different places because he's a matchup problem for linebackers and some of our defensive backs, if I'm being honest. He catches the ball really well and you have some flexibility from a personnel standpoint. Is he a fullback, is he a receiver, is he a tailback? So he can do a lot for you and that comes with his knowledge of the offense and his development as a player."

While Rogers didn't get a chance to practice his craft on the field in spring practice due to an elbow fracture he suffered in the team's Military Bowl win, Beamer says much of that aforementioned development happened in the work he did while lending a hand to his position coach during practice.

"During spring practice I'd just let him signal to the running backs," Beamer said. "We signal everything because we're no-huddle, so he'd signal every single play of every practice to the running backs. So it kept him involved, number one, it kept him from a mental standpoint hearing stuff, and it allowed me to go out on the field and stand behind the running backs instead of staying on the sideline throughout practice. If anything, during scrimmages he was able to get on the headphones and hear Lefty in the press box, so that was a good experience for him to hear what we go through on game days."

With that experience under his belt and his injury fully healed, Rogers is ready to apply his vaunted leadership skills on the field once more.

"It's great to have him back out there, being able to help the younger guys, being able to take Steven Peoples and talk him through certain techniques," Beamer said. "He knows the tailback position, so being able to take DeShawn McClease or Travon McMillian or whoever and help them out there as well, there's so many things he brings to the table from a football standpoint and a pure leadership standpoint."

But all of Rogers' efforts will be for naught if the offensive line can't capitalize on the continuity that has many excited about the unit's capabilities this fall.

"There's a lot of continuity," said right tackle Wade Hansen. "We're working hard every day, trying to stay together as an offensive unit, and it all starts with the offensive line up front for the offense, so we're just trying to make sure that we have a solid base because we're the foundation of the offense, just making sure that we're good."

Hansen was among the bigger question marks on the line heading into the spring. Since then, he's solidified a starting spot on the right side after he radically reshaped his body to add the bulk that OL coach Stacy Searels covets.

That work hasn't stopped this summer, even if his diet doesn't near the 10,000-calorie per day meal plan of the past.

"I maintain my weight, I'm about 300 pounds, give or take," Hansen said. "With the amount of lifting and running and cardiovascular work we're doing, we're burning a lot of calories, so we've got to make sure we're able to maintain our weight and still build that muscle that we want and so I don't if it's 10,000, but it's pretty close."

Hansen's counterparts on the defensive line say they've noticed the difference in his physicality, as well as the progress of the line as a whole.

"Since last fall, they've taken some great steps forward and I think depth was an issue with them, but the backups seem pretty good," said defensive end Ken Ekanem. "There's (Yosuah) Nijman, he's looking really great, really athletic in space, Jon's great, Parker (Osterloh), Wade's really progressed a lot since last season, I'm really impressed with the offensive line. They have a great chemistry and a really good bond, I'm really excited to see what they can do with our running game and passing game."

The mention of Nijman's name among the OL standouts may seem surprising after the freshman struggled mightily with the transition from DE to OT in the spring, but Ekanem says he can personally vouch for Nijman's improvement.

"I go against him a lot, so I'm really impressed with what he's done, just being switched over in the spring," Ekanem said. "He has really long arms and he's good at replacing him. Because my thing is I knock down the hands and go around them, but when I knock his down, he replaces him them really quickly, he does a really good job with that. It's really interesting to see how he'll progress in his time here."

Hansen attributes some of that progress to the unit's tireless work in the offseason. While linemen may not be able to do the same sort of seven-on-seven drills that preoccupy the rest of the team, the RT says the line still spent plenty of time working to get sharpen their skills this summer.

"It was a great opportunity to have this indoor facility and come in here and work our footwork together, make sure we're getting our calls together," Hansen said. "Just making sure we're all on the same page when it came to the different looks that we got from a defensive standpoint."

Hansen confesses that he's spent so much time on campus getting in extra work that he's barely made it back home this summer, with the exception of one week after the spring semester's exams wrapped up.

In fact, he's been so consumed with football that he even seems to lack the time necessary to shave his prodigious beard.

"I need to trim it up a little bit, the sideburns are getting a little furry on me," Hansen said with a chuckle. "I'd like to keep it, I don't know if Coach Beamer likes it all that much."

Hansen says his coach hasn't given him a straightforward talk about shaving just yet, merely tossing a few snarky comments his way like "'see you're missing your razor.'"

But it seems a sure bet that, like the similarly outrageously groomed lineman Wyatt Teller, Beamer's concerns about Hansen's fashion choices will fall away if he can open big holes for the running backs this fall.

"Regardless of who we play against, we're gonna give it everything we've got, we're gonna watch the film, do the homework, it doesn't matter who we play," Hansen said.

Comments

I'll be honest; I've always been a little critical of Edmunds at TB. I admittingly wanted him switched back to LB, a spot that I felt would have been more natural. But, after seeing the praise from the Beamer clan, seeing that he's bulked up, and his tenacious attitude to get healthy, I'm very hopeful he can be the everydown back we need to compliment JC. He had some great performances in 13, but I always felt he ran a little high and didn't have a natural stride. I love the guys character and "team first" attitude. I'm really pulling for him and his stable-mates. This group of TB's is a very likable bunch; JC, Edmunds and McMillian are all humble, solid guys. I don't know that I have ever wanted success more at this position than now...I really hope they develop the continuity and consistency...all 3 top candidates are more than deserving.

If it ain't orange, it better be maroon...and if it ain't maroon, it better be soon!

Ran a little high? Have you seen marshawn? Don't get me wrong, I still think his potential is the highest of our current group, but when you watch the film, its very clear that when he doesn't see a very clear hole, he stands up...and then forgets to get back down...I'm just hoping McMillian can do the things redshirt freshman tailbacks have traditionally done in our system....RMFW, Evans, etc...

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TKPC #666 ...man that was long wait...

I'm really hoping Nijman becomes a beast and his move is a blessing in disguise. He was pretty bummed last year and I hope he ends up walking across the stage of the NFL draft in a few years.

It was pretty interesting to read that in hindsight Trevon should have been the starter last year. I believe in Trey and JCC, but damn.

I took that "would have been a starter" to mean that with the injuries that we suffered to Trey and Shai he could have ended up starting. I think it worked out better that he did redshirt, because JC proved he could be that back we always thought he could be and Trevon now has a season in the system.

I'll also add that it's interesting to hear the younger Beamers response to McMillians redshirt last year. For him to say that Travon would have likely been the starter is saying a lot. If you read between the lines to all the talk surrounding #34, I'd say he will be a superb player for us. Not only are we stocked at RB for the next couple of years, we are LOADED. I'm really excited to see where this "train" takes us.

If it ain't orange, it better be maroon...and if it ain't maroon, it better be soon!

We signal everything because we're no-huddle

Really? Since when? I mean maybe from time to time, or maybe just because we aren't a hurry-up, no-huddle then I don't really notice it, but I would not have called us a no-huddle team.

They played with the hurry up, no huddle last year a little bit. Not enough in my opinion, but maybe now it's a full time thing. I hope so.

It really seemed, from a novice's point of view, that we just rushed to the line and then checked out of it to look for the signal. When I think hurry-up, no-huddle, I think you're getting to the line and snapping the ball within 12 seconds of the play clock starting. But again, that's a very low level understanding of it that is mostly based on the style you see schools like Oregon and Auburn last year run.

There is a difference in no huddle and a hurry up. Rushing to the line keeps the defense from substituting a lot of the time. If Lefty does things right this year, we can use that to our advantage big time by coming out to start a drive in a heavy set with Mallek, Hodges, and Rogers, and then spreading the field 5 wide with that group on the 2nd play without a huddle. It will create big time mismatches either way the defense tries to counter it.

I think having experienced personnel will really help our offense this year.

"I'm too drunk to taste this chicken" - Colonel Sanders via Ricky Bobby

I think having experienced personnel will really help our offense this year.

Amen brother!! This is the year...we have an experienced group, Lefty's system should be in place, and we have the hunger. THIS year, our offense produces something beyond stinking mediocrity or worse *crosses everything that can be crossed*.

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They played with the hurry up, no huddle last year a little bit. Not enough in my opinion, but maybe now it's a full time thing. I hope so.

Perhaps with Brewer having a full year of experience you'll get the no-huddle and hurry-up offense you and Bud were hoping for.

Yeah, Bud and I were talking the other day and we feel that's the direction the team needs to go to keep up with modern college football.

he got that from me last week. i was all, "come on" and he agreed

Let's be honest, early on in the season when we just hurried to the line and snapped the ball it seemed like there were a lot less procedural errors as well. So not only were the defenses not ready to defend, we didn't false start as much.

The first false start we have will result in my kids hearing a word from their dad that they never had heard before and ducking from me throwing the nearest object available.

In the name of all things that do not suck, I hope the false start bug has been cured.

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Don't worry about the kids. They will grow to understand.
The poor dogs? Not so much...

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Realize your post is in jest, but it represents a serious defect in our country...too many think of dogs/pets as equally important as children/people. Pathetic condition we have created.

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Holy cow! Lots of deep thinkers here.
Just making a joke about how the dogs clear the room when VT football is on at my house.
You know...I yell...the dogs bolt...

yeah

A picture is worth a thousand words. A gif is worth a million.

What I think has nothing to do with it. My dogs know they're just as important as people, just ask 'em. Lighten up.

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You gotta move, man. Those Clempson fans are getting to you lately.

They used the hurry-up offense against GT when trying to protect a lead with 6 minutes left. That was probably the one time they shouldn't have used hurry-up.

It makes you feel good about the running backs, looking very much forward to seeing Travon this year!

"I think about it all the time, how you handle it," Shane said. "Travon, our staff was probably split going into the first game, do we redshirt him or do we not redshirt him? And we decided to redshirt him, but hindsight being 20/20, he probably would've been our starter if we'd played him."

Strong words. Wonder if he means due to all the injuries or simply because he's that good. If its the latter then I see no reason not to shirt Shai and Marshawn.

I'm assuming he meant because of injuries at one point he would have been the starter before a guy like Jerome wright would have. I thought i'd seen comments from shane that trey is the most complete RB right now and playing at the highest level.

Shai is clearly our most talented natural running back. Marshawn isn't explosive/fast enough to be a star but is still a solid college RB and situational runner. MacMillan is a total unknown at this point but has athletic upside. JC is being overhyped to an uncomfortable level as the #1 back – he can be a good role player but he has only ever produced in spurts – I hope I'm wrong. Trey has potential if healthy but still less upside than Shai and Marshawn.

Long story short – no real horse in this mix. Welcome to another year of Shane Beamer playing 5+ running backs and nobody sniffing 1,000 yards.

I've been the most high on Marshawn. I think we need the heavy, brutal back that he is, and it seemed like most of the bigger runs, before he and Shai got hurt, came when he had the ball. He simply blew through tackles.

In the name of Earl Campbell, Jerome Bettis, and Eddie Lacy, you are correct.

No, I *don't* want to go to the SEC. Why do you ask?

We don't love dem Hoos.

agree on shai being the most natural, but trey to me still has the most potential. I don't think shai has that top end speed either to be a home run threat.

If we play 5 RBs this year it will be because of injury or in blow outs IMO.

Shai is clearly our most talented natural running back.

starts off alright...

Marshawn isn't explosive/fast enough to be a star but is still a solid college RB and situational runner.

this is what everyone said about Darren Evans and then Maryland game happened.

MacMillan is a total unknown at this point but has athletic upside.

He's a redhsirt freshman who excelled on scout team and has been acclaimed spring, summer and now fall. Not really an unknown.

JC is being overhyped to an uncomfortable level as the #1 back – he can be a good role player but he has only ever produced in spurts – I hope I'm wrong.

the last 4 games of last season proves this wrong.

Long story short – no real horse in this mix.

Darren evans was a solid college RB but not sure one game against MD made him more than that.

McMillan hasn't played a snap regardless of what he did on the scout team he's an unknown who has only had 1 full year even playing the position.

4 games is a spurt. Can also give the OL a bit of credit for those games too can't we? Also not like we played a difficult schedule with duke, wf, uva and cinci in those games. (UVA was 18th in rushing defense, duke 92nd, WF 81st and cinci 85th)

I'd argue that 4 consecutive games of getting #1 RB carries and being successful is not a spurt but a sign of consistency when given an appropriate chance.

3 out of the 4 teams he faced averaged giving up more than 180 yards per game rushing, but let's not factor that in either.

Just for some perspective in games where JC had at least 10 carries he's averaged over 4 YPC in 7 out of the 13 games. He did have his best year last year in that regards, but have to consider the competition. I love his effort and what a great hokie he is, but I don't think he's our best RB.

Regardless of competition, no RB of ours achieved the success he did across a stretch of 4 games. And it's not like he really dropped. His lowest game across that stretch was 95 yards. The quality of your RB is determined by the effectiveness of the line. People who say we need Shai or Marshawn due to their size often cite how ineffective our line was at blocking for them, but determining the quality of a RB based upon the quality of their production with a poor line is a bad measurement. Each has a different skill and yes, you may be correct that he might not be OUR best RB for our situation, but he shouldn't be discredited as only being a role player.

Darren evans did a lot more than one game. If he would have stayed he would have been our #1 back the next year.

What you both are saying about McMillan is that he is unknown to you. What I am saying is he is not an unknown because the people paid to know, which is none of us, have specifically said he has what it takes. So not an unknown.

4 games is a spurt. interesting. Usually players that are played in spurts do so in a number of plays, let alone game, but ok... So how many games does it take to not be a spurt? And regardless of what you think of the difficulty level of those teams JCC shined in UVA game and got us the win, and continued to shine even more in Cinci. you can knock him, but in my book he's already proved naysayers wrong.

he would have been the #1 back over david Wilson who had the best season of any VT rb in the last decade?

Remember Michael holmes? He tore it up on the scout team too. Everyone is an unknown until they they take a snap in an actual game.

Not knocking him just not overhyping him. I appreciate his heart and everything he's done as a hokie I just don't think he's the best RB option we have.

Not sure you are remembering Darren's last season very well. They were all but begging him to stay to be the #1. He left to try to get a paycheck to take care of his family. He had a meeting with beamer specifically about it and Beamer said in interview that ultimately he had to respect that kind of maturity.

I do remember Holmes. I also remember that he was practically the ONLY option at RB at that time, so what do you expect them to say? Now we have too many options and they are still saying McMillan is performing better than most. i would say that is a pretty good indicator. But sure, I'll concede.

I know you're not really knocking him. Just think that he's proven more than spurts. And I also don't think he is best option at RB but better than what Dustin'sPickle is suggesting.

Darren evans was a solid college RB but not sure one game against MD made him more than that.

Without that ACL tear in 2009, I think he'd be widely recognized as one of the most productive RBs we've ever had and on the short list for best RB we've ever had. The guy was an absolute beast for us.

"When I was growing up, Virginia Tech was a school that was kicking ass and taking names, and it's time we get back to that" - James Franklin

100% in agreement. Darren Evans is a legend in my book, and could have proven it for all time had he stayed another year.

At the time he played, he wasn't the fastest or most athletic (RMFW and DW4 were both better in both respects) and didn't have the big play potential those guys did. Judging by their NFL careers, you could argue that Darren was the least successful of the three.

But there have been few players who rank higher in the history of my fandom that best represented the attitude on the field or character off of it than Darren Evans. His statistics are good enough to suggest that, had he had his full four years, he could have been the most prolific running back in Virginia Tech history on top of being a fan favorite.

Evand and Humes were probably my 2 favorite RBs to ever come through Tech. Were they the most flashy guys who could burn you for a breakaway TD if you weren't careful? Nah, not really. Were they guys who could make something out of nothing if a play broke down? Nah. Were they guys who could change direction on a time and break ankles? Nope.

But these guys were workhorses. You knew if you handed the ball off to these guys 20 times a game, you're going to get nearly 100 yards on the ground. They were going to wear down the defense and were going to open up the rest of the field, and by the time the 4th quarter came around, our home run hitters would be connecting against a tired defense. And yet, these guys kept their mouths shut, did things right, and just worked their tails off to get us to where we need to be.

Honestly, this is why I'm excited to have Williams on the roster. He's a bruiser who will do this same thing. By the time his time has come and past I have a feeling he'll be on this list for me as well.

"When I was growing up, Virginia Tech was a school that was kicking ass and taking names, and it's time we get back to that" - James Franklin

500 yards from J.C. last year means nothing. If he was a Freshman then maybe, but he's a Senior. 3-years of so-so production. He is not able to manufacture yardage if our o-line isn't performing in the way that Shai, Marshawn, and Trey can to grind 3-4 yard runs. If the o-line is not living up to expectations in the first few weeks then J.C. will be the odd man out yet again. If they do perform and Loeffler uses the read-option from the shotgun appropriately then I can see J.C. being effective.

MacMillan is a total unknown. A high school QB with one year of non-game experience under his belt provides no basis for expectations. He may be an amazing athlete, but he has to prove that he can block, know the playbook, etc. before he'll be a known commodity.

If he was a Freshman then maybe, but he's a Senior. 3-years of so-so production.

So you only believe someone can produce if they do so moderately as a Freshman? This seems off to me. The reasoning would immediately discount anyone that didn't perform to star level as an underclassman. So DW4 was just so so, because he didn't really produce until he was a junior? I'm sure that's not what you mean right?

I didn't say JCC was the be all end all of our RBs nor did I say he was the best. But he is better than you are giving him credit for and has performed in more than just spurts. that's all.

McMillan is an unknown to fans. Coaches are paid to know. They say they know. Until it's proven otherwise wouldn't you take the word of the people you are paying millions to know?

DW4 stole snaps from two NFL RBs as a true freshmen and sophomore and averaged over 5 YPC in all 3 of his years playing. That the example you want to use to refute his comment?

that's exactly why I used David Wilson, because in his line of reasoning that is just so so production. So still unproven beyond spurts. Who cares if JCC is a Senior or a Freshman. If he won games give the man credit.

If a Freshman or Sophmore shows potential on limited carries then they have 2 more years of growth and development. Everyone is getting excited about what J.C. did as a Junior against mediocre competition. My point is that J.C. is what he is. We aren't going to suddenly get a Ryan Williams, David Wilson, etc. talent just by giving him more carries.

To your David Wilson comment - he was in a backfield with Evans and Williams as an underclassmen whereas J.C. got beat out by Michael Holmes, then Trey, and then two true Freshmen. Not sure what's confusing. David Wilson was an absolute star.

Optimism is fine, but

Honestly, I don't care if someone is a senior or freshman. If he is the best option out there then play him. Plenty of players are outshone throughout their career until it's their time. Chase Williams didn't play more than a handful until his senior year and he did quite well, and could possibly land on the Raiders lineup. So what does it matter?

whereas J.C. got beat out by Michael Holmes

Been a while, but wasn't J.C. hobbled by both ankles being badly sprained that year?

Michael Holmes beat out J.C. in 2012 (J.C. was a true freshman). Although, by the end of that season, it seemed like J.C. was starting to get the bulk of the carries. J.C. sprained his ankles before the 2013 season.

Not the bagman VT deserves, but the bagman VT needs right now.

I don't think any of these guys are Ryan Williams or David Wilson. We're trying to find our Cedric Humes or Branden Ore.

If we had a RB at the class of the best that have ever played here (Wilson/Williams/KJ/Suggs), then they would have shown themselves already. We have 4 or 5 "good" backs, no "great" backs.

Mediocre competition?
He posted 118 yards against a top 20 rushing defense (UVA)

You're right JC is JC.... and he's pretty damn good. He did all of this with a depleted O-line due to injuries.

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so 3 out of the 4 were ranked 80th or worse in rushing defense but because we played uva that doesn't make them mediocre as a collective?

OL played better those last 4 games than they did for the majority of the year.

Curt Newsome was paid to know...

Leonard. Duh.

and he didn't so he was fired, albeit way too late. But gone nonetheless. That's how employment works. If you're not giving assumptive reasoning to coaches your paying tens of millions to then your athletic department has A LOT bigger problems than just football coaching, or lack thereof.

jury is still out on shane as a RB coach though...

I don't disagree but I don't agree Shane is a bad coach. RB just might not be his thing.

Definitely a possibility. We'll see he's saying the right things this summer at least in regards to some of his criticisms of the past few seasons.

WADR, McMillian is not an unknown (unless you are talking about game experience). We have seen what he can do in the spring game and practices. He is a gifted and strong runner with a lot of natural ability.

He will prove to be our best back, hands down. Really excited to see him this year.

Apparently he hasn't shown it enough to show he's the best back, hands down. I don't buy into all the spring game/practices hype. Sometimes it translates into actual game play and sometimes we never hear anything remotely close to that level again. Also needs to work on pass protection as he got blown up a few times this weekend apparently.

I like the fact that beamer acknowledged the ridiculous rotation that has been going on since 2012. This has been my biggest criticism of the run game in the past few years. None is able to get their feet going because after one or two series they are pulled. The players have even said they need to get in a groove. I hope this isn't just coach speak and they shorten the rotation.

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No real choice last year.

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True. I think last year we were going to see less of the insane rotation. Shane's comments quoted here indicate a significant departure in intent from years past, so it definitely sounds like he has changed his opinion and understands that unless your guy is an absolute superstar, most backs need sustained action to get into the rhythm of each game. It just doesn't carry over week to week, opponent to opponent.

I can't help but look at the injuries last year being a blessing in disguise in the regard that it opened his eyes to this after our 5th string guy had such success at the end of the year. JCC is one of my favorite hokies, but he doesn't have the upside of the other backs. He had the success he did in no small part because he had the contiguous snaps, & didn't have the nagging fear that he was going to get pulled for no apparent reason and could just focus on the field.

I just can't shake the feeling that I read substantially the same comments from Coach Shane Beamer in August 2013 and August 2014. I don't have the links and I'm not going to look them up, but I would like to see him demonstrate what he has learned, rather than hearing him say it again.

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He did demonstrate it last year. Every game started with two main backs, the issue was injuries. How can he get in a 2 main back pattern when at one point a FB and a 5th string just in scout team RB/TB was his options for the game?

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at William and mary for example: shai 9 carries, marshawn 12 carries, jcc 10 carries, Caleb 5 carries. i realize that's w&m game one but no one was hurt. vs anosu it was crazy spread out too. I would say that the injuries caused him to not rotate people it wasn't by choice.

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Not really: at anOSU Williams had 12, Rogers had 1, Shai had 7 and JCC had 3. So two main backs and a sub.

Not including TE carries or WR carries those are outliers.

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You make it sound like Williams got a full series, then Shai did, then Williams did... that's not what happened. Williams and Shai rotated in and out almost constantly. Look at the first touchdown drive, they alternated carries multiple times. You don't get someone in a groove by giving them a carry, taking them out for a play or two, then putting them back in the game, then taking them out, then putting them back in.

I think it is obvious to everyone (including Hall of Fame coach Frank Beamer) that the running back rotation prevented backs from getting into the flow of the game even when injuries weren't a factor.

FCS tune-up game. If the third stringers aren't seeing action, you have a big problem. This is precisely why it was the season opener.

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which is what i was eluding to by saying i realize its william and mary. i just don't think he would've kept the small rotation of guys even without the injuries.

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ECU: Williams 17, Shai 7
GT: Shai 12, Williams 10

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if you refer to masons comment above I guess what I'm getting at is that no one really stayed in for a full series the rotation was still there and no one was able to get in a groove. overall number of carries does not mean there isn't a crazy rotation going on. I love seeing carries cause it means we're trying to run. getting pulled every series or few plays is counterproductive. jcc said at the end of the year it was nice cause he could get in a groove. yes he was getting a bunch of carries but he wasn't getting pulled in and out of the game

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There is a reason we are considering five guys, they all have their positives and negatives:
JCC -- Pro - Finished the season strong when he got enough carries, notably against UVA (a top 25 defense against the run) when he was beat up and frigid....he's also the 2nd best breakaway speed guy we have and should be good catching the ball in open space (although we are so bad running traditional screen plays you question how important that is) Con - Has never been strong in the redzone, concerns with pass protection, has had some big fumbles

Edmunds -- Pros - Good pass catcher (TD against UVA in '13), versatile between tackles/outside, good redzone back (Miami '13), good pass protection, beefed up to 225 lbs this year Cons -- May not be a natural RB (seems to almost gallup at times, not quick and needs space to gain top speed), injuries

McKenzie -- Pros - Heavy shoulder, good redzone back, Lee Suggs forward lean Cons -- Inexperience, bad knees, has not demonstrated pass catching/pass protection abilities but may possess them

Marshawn -- Pros - A horse, tough to bring down, good in the redzone, tenacious Cons -- Fumble risk (OSU non-fumble is tough to get out of your mind)...may be a fumble risk because he fights for every last inch, injury history, needs to keep weight in check

MacMillian -- Pros - Outside speed, playmaker that the rest of the group lacks... Cons -- Inexperienced, not expected to be as good between tackles as others.

Shai and Marshawn should absolutely, without a doubt, be redshirted this year. There is absolutely no reason they shouldn't (only exception being major injuries to the other tailbacks).

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If Shai is healthy, he should play...I think he looks like the back with the highest ceiling

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The oline is saying all the right things...meh, call me pessimistic, but I feel like they always say the right things?

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Someone mentioned this in a previous thread, but this time last year people were saying the right things about finding a good starting five, and figuring out who fits where. This year they are saying the right things about finding some guys to switch in and give the starting five a break every now and then.

That's a big improvement in my opinion.

Ignore the words and watch the film. Watching the progress of the o-line from the UNC and Pitt games to the UVA game, the bowl game, and the spring game gives me hope. There's gonna be room for improvement obviously, but I think that they will be better at running the ball.

Reading a lot of rather interesting comments today.

My .02 - All 5 guys are capable (going off Shane's comments about MacMillian) All 5 guys can produce. Lets let their performance dictate who gets the carries.

Short of injury they should both RS, get the full recovery time from their injuries.

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If Trey Edmunds stays healthy, then he is the man this year. He is a big back, that does a lot of the little things well like pass protection etc. The line he will run behind this year should be on a different level. Because of his different running style, his speed does not get the credit. He ran AWAY from Alabama defensive backs who were hauling ass after him. They looked faster because of how they ran, but they lost ground on him. He covered that 77 yards in a HURRY. Clinton-Dix lets up as Trey was leaving him.
Speed is not everything for a tailback, and the fastest back is not the best, but hes' very fast and I think he will made himself quicker and worked on acceleration since '13. He has to feel more confident with the added strength. Even though he redshirted, his age was that of a true freshman in '13. He has matured physically, and will be able to carry the weight well, probably better. Give him the ball and he runs for 1,000+ and 10+ TD's. He is dangerous catching the ball as well. It is nice knowing we have some good back ups behind him.

I have heard the talk of JC playing some slot but in my mind, Travon would be better in the slot. Trey and Sam in the backfield or JC in that formation could be nifty with pass or run threats imo.

I would much rather see Malleck, Hodges, or Caleb in the slot than JCC.

I would like an update on Caleb. It would be great to hear he has finally found his place.

I agree with your point, I hope we don't squeeze a 3rd or 4th string RB on the field instead of playing our best players, which could be a 2nd TE or 3rd WR.

It's funny that everybody wants the coaches to settle on the running backs while this thread is proof that not even the couch coaches can decide which backs are good and which aren't.

I've never played at the level these athletes are playing, but aren't we overblowing the need for a running back to get in the flow? Nfl teams have situational backs and they perform fine. Just seems to me like you need to be ready when your number is called.

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I agree that we are all couch coaches and we should let the professionals decide on how the talent should be used. There is such a thing as flow, groove, rhythm or whatever you want to call it. We need 1-2 guys to be allowed to develop it on a game.

Perhaps JC suddenly getting all of those game reps caused something to click?

Something that might be worth mentioning about Trey...he skipped a grade in school and enrolled when he had just turned 17. His r-F year he was the age of most true Freshman. A lot of people commented that he looks the part now and is physically just becoming a junior..

Great insight, good to know.

Hope he stays healthy this year and runs as well as he looks!