This is more general college topic based than football but I just saw this video that the Alabama sorority Alpha Phi posted as a recruitment for the upcoming Fall 2015 semester. I will let everyone draw their own conclusions about the content and message that is sent by the video but I would not be a very happy father knowing my daughter was rushing this sorority. Not being a father, however, I find this video entertaining, yet SMH worthy. The comments below from A.L Bailey of AI.com are from an article written about the video...
(CAUTION! Video may be NSFW!)
(EDIT: The music appears to have been changed from the original)
articles:
http://www.buzzfeed.com/stephaniemcneal/alpha-phivideo-controversy#.pbrpdDv0p
http://www.al.com/opinion/index.ssf/2015/08/bama_sorority_video_worse_for.html#incart_most-readnews
It's a parade of white girls and blonde hair dye, coordinated clothing, bikinis and daisy dukes, glitter and kisses, bouncing bodies, euphoric hand-holding and hugging, gratuitous booty shots, and matching aviator sunglasses.It's all so racially and aesthetically homogeneous and forced, so hyper-feminine, so reductive and objectifying, so Stepford Wives: College Edition. It's all so ... unempowering.
"Meanwhile, these young women, with all their flouncing and hair-flipping, are making it so terribly difficult for anyone to take them seriously, now or in the future...It's the kind of thing that subconsciously educates young men on how to perceive, and subsequently treat, women in their lives," Bailey writes.
I'm curious to know other people's opinions without opening up a huge gender roles debate. I personally think the video goes a little over the top promoting the wrong things for what a sorority stands for. Regardless of what members may say about who they really are as model students, the video is probably sending the wrong message, unless they just want people to think they're a bunch of partying blondes. They did right to remove the video (for diversity reasons) and wipe social media, but unfortunately, it is now lost to the depths of the internet. All the concerned parenting aside, they did a good job with the video and it reminds me of the Victoria's Secret fashion show specials that air every year.
Source Cred: AI.com and Buzzfeed
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Live on CBS every year...
You can relive the broadcast from their website (also NSFW):
https://www.victoriassecret.com/fashion-show/
In looking at that video, I rethought my original post a bit. I really don't see a whole lot to complain about.
So glad I am a straight shooter and only have sons...
Also wish I was 20 years younger and still in college...
My sister is in Aopi, and said her room mate is in the questioned video. She also says that one of the reasons they got in trouble was because there was only one race shown in the video. I couldn't stand to watch the entire video to fact check that though.
Overall, as a 27 year old, I don't have a problem with the video, or its message. We constantly advertise to men with the objectification of women. If women are they one's doing it, who am I to complain.
What a very diverse crowd they have. Those brunettes should be very honored to be a part of such a sorority
I think I saw a couple of 9's in there, so they're trying to diversify from just having 10's.
How did you pick up IQ scores from that video?
You're obviously used to using a different scale from what I was using...
But it wouldn't surprise me at all if most of those girls are pretty smart in addition to those traits we can actually observe in the video.
Point: they got into a college so they're obviously somewhat educated
Counterpoint: Alabama was the college where all of the dumb jocks and party-girls from my H.S. went because they couldn't get into any other schools....
I hear the majority of Alpha Phi members graduate cum laude with their M.R.S. degrees. /s
Like I indicated before, I bet many of them would surprise you.
I agree, it was just an alley-oop to the classic dumb blonde jokes
Oh, don't get me wrong, it was nicely played.
Bailey just sounds a bit bitter to me. I don't know what the problem is. Everyone wants everything to be so vanilla so not one person in the world (except...well you know who you are that aren't allowed to be offened) can be offended by anything that anyone produces or makes or says or does. Who cares??? If you don't like it don't rush the sorority and join one that you think has "higher class" or whatever. they were having fun. If you want your son to not objectify women then raise him right yourself. Instill good morals and character in him. If you don't want your daughter rushing a sorority because they do things like that then raise her that way. I'm sure most of those girls are nice girls and their parents did their best raising them. Bailey is just jealous because they don't fit his model of whatever and he could probably never land a date with anyone that looked half as decent as these girls do.
And if he's really serious about this type of stuff, does he boycott "Playboy" when they do their rounds of campuses in search of college girls to pose?? What about maxim or any of those other magazines?? Perhaps the cheerleaders outfits at alabama need to be changed as well. Unreal.
Reading just his comments in the OP above, he sounds bitter about something that personally happened to him. Just sayin. Personally, I agree: Who cares?! If they all want to join that sorority, so be it. I'm sure they raise a boatload of money for some charity every year and do their fair share of good. And if they want to flaunt around together, go right ahead.
And can you imagine the meetings with all of those sisters? That's a lot of females in one room at the same time.
So this is a sorority recruitment video?
I'll just say I'm glad I'm not old enough to worry about having daughters going off to college.
It is what it is. College girls being college girls. You don't have to just look for the sorority girls to find types like these in the video either.
Once again, it's a sorority.
I think the commentary surround this fails to put it in context. It was put out by the girls themselves to be viewed by potential pledges, as a sort of advertising. So of course they want to show themselves having fun, looking friendly, and being attractive. Because the potential pledges are likely looking for a fun and welcoming sorority where they can be hot by association. Yes, it highlights stereotypes. But they're selling a social sorority. Not a service or professional sorority. So they focus on the social aspects. Yes, most of the girls shown are white girls with blonde hair. But that's pretty standard across all of Alabama's sororities. The number of minorities is very low across the board. But imagine if they had gone out of their way to feature some diversity. It would come of as shallow and insincere. It would seem like they were using minorities as mascots. Overall, I'd say this is getting waaaaay more negative attention than it deserves.
And white. Very white
What about that Black football player that appears in several scenes? He must be an honorary member.
Er... let's not open that can of worms...
As I pointed out, the entire sorority system at UA has a very low number of minorities. It's entirely plausible that they actually only have white sisters, and didn't intentionally exclude minorities from the video.
So do you think the purposefully exluded and minority sisters they have?? Or perhaps they don't have any in their sorority, which is voluntary btw. Go look at sororities and fraternities at VT or any other school. I would argue that the very large number of those are white too. The only ones that have a large number of minorities are usually the historically black ones. Get off your high horse of there has to be some sort of racial representation for everything to be right. Just stop already. This is part of what's wrong with society. What do you care if all of them are white??? If you think they are racist because they don't have any minority sisters then don't let your daughter join them. Done.
This was a reasoned and mostly respectful post until "get off your high horse..." and then it just derailed completely, and totally unnecessary.
My take was he was being sarcastic given the context of other posts, but oh well.
well there was no "/s" to denote that he was being sarcastic.
I guess I could have gone w/o the "high horse" comment and left the rest. Sorry that bothered you.
A) It's crap like this that gives sororities a bad name
B) Way to pick a terrible version of that song for your video...
You also have to look at this in the context of the Greek system at Alabama, specifically that they have been criticized for their lack of diversity.
http://www.thedailybeast.com/witw/articles/2013/09/19/all-these-girls-ar...
I think you can't do this without looking at the Greek system in general.
The whole concept is based on an aura of exclusivity, depending on which fraternity/sorority. Some more than others. A big part of the sale is that you're lucky to be a member.
Now that people hook up on tinder, the fraternity party may not be strictly necessary.
True about Greek system in general. Otherwise there would not have been the creation of an African American greek system as well.
Thinking back to my times at any greek party, I remember there wasn't a huge amount of diversity.
Yes, because lack of diversity started in Greek Life. /s
Let's look at the bigger picture. Lack of diversity is not secluded to greek life.
As someone who was in a fraternity in college and spent a little bit of time in my early 20's on sites like TFM.com...I think this is completely blown out of proportion. There are literally dozens of sorority recruitment videos like this on the internet. I think the only reasons why this is a big deal is: 1) It's Alabama and it's easy to take cheap shots at Alabama when it comes to racism and 2) They had that whole ordeal of the a black freshman girl who didn't get into any sorority when apparently she was the "perfect candidate".
Sororities aren't meant to be a utopia of the collegiate experience. They're just to meant to group together similar people so they develop stronger friendships while in college and they have something to connect to when they graduate. If you want to join, great. If you don't, who the fuck cares. I don't see the point in bashing them.
Are you admitting that sororities/frats are just a method to purchase friends? I always thought there was more meaning/purpose to them... /s
The term "purchasing friends" is a little hyperbolic...I prefer to think of it like the sorting hat in Harry Potter.
I guess I missed the part where Harry has to swipe his Gringotts debit card before the hat will let him request which house he gets.
OK, as someone who rushed a fraternity basically on a whim because a friend from high school was in the fraternity, this just isn't true. Yes it costs money to be in a felraternity, but that money payed for room and board, tv, internet and food. And it was all less than it would have cost elsewhere. There was a little extra for dues but so what. And the fact that I got a bid was due more to my character matching the fraternity than anything else. And granted, the fraternity was small, so people might think we just wanted numbers, but after having been part of the process, we selected for attitude, grades and the rushee's for with the fraternity. Not for the size of their checkboo.
If your name suggests the fraternity, I would say that you went through a different process than those on Greek Row.
By this logic, I'm guessing your process involved beer.
When you live in an apartment in college, didn't you split the cost of groceries/alcohol/etc. with your roommates? Fraternities are basically the same thing except on a bigger scale. We used our dues for formals, parties, tailgates and road trips...I had a lot more fun when I was in a fraternity i versus the one year I was a GDI at VT.
Dues weren't even that expensive, if you had a part-time time job in college, you could easily cover it.
I don't get why people continue to be dicks towards frat guys. Are they douchebags in the greek system? Of course, but they're douchbag GDIs as well.
sheesh, a guy tries to make a joke and everyone gets all butt-hurt.
IT'S FUNNY BECAUSE THE IDEA OF GRINGOTTS HAVING A DEBIT CARD IS RIDICULOUS...everyone knows they were the one of the first banks to support apple pay
Also, the sorting hat was kind of a dick. I mean, if you were "good enough" you got to pick where you went (Hermione to Gryffindor even though she belonged in Ravenclaw, Harry to Gryffindor instead of Slytherin and who knows how many others). If it didn't deem you good enough? Boom, Hufflepuff, sucka. Can you honestly think anyone had a conversation with the sorting hat that ended with "Yeah, I really really want to be in Hufflepuff?
I'm sorry you've gotten so much flak for being in a fraternity and therefore are a might touchy on the subject. You're right. There are douchebags in fraternities and there are douchebags in...I have no idea what GDIs are, but sure. One of my closest female friends in college was in a sorority. One of the, um, least pleasant women to be around was too. I'm sure it's a cross section of a certain type of college student (I'm assuming people who don't like alcohol, formals, parties, and road trips make up a smaller percentage in greek life than the general student population).
most frat bro's and sororities women that I have meet/known are very unpleasant to be around. the entitlement is unbelievable...
your definition of "entitlement" must be similar to OSU's.....
there are some of us who are in academic fraternities (mostly chosen because of our academics/GPA, major and contribution to the campus community) who still consider ourselves "jeeds" (what GDIs are called) because we don't have a house on Greek Row, throw alcoholic parties, etc., and have never had the entitlement complex at all.
we worked hard to "play school" and were rewarded by getting invited to academic fraternities that would help us go farther in our chosen career path. besides, the Fraternity and Sorority Life office at VT doesn't recognize us anyways so we're 100% jeeds!
FYI--Greek life at VT is about 25-30% of the student population; it's not as dominant as universities such as Vanderbilt where it dominates the student social scene at 90%+.
does Tau Beta Pi count as a fraternity?
The best part of this entire thread... Boom, hufflepuff, sucka.
GDIs = "God Damn Independents;" someone who wasn't a member of a fraternity/sorority
After not knowing what GDI stood for until now, I feel this supports the entitlement claim comment above.
That's a huge stretch there....
I disagree...referring to a group of people who differ from you in that they are not a member of a frat/sorority as "God Damn"-anything is exactly what entitlement looks like. It's arrogant and classist. The message sent when you say something like that is that "people who are not a part of an organization like me don't deserve to be treated with the respect that I deserve because I'm a member of such an organization."
Entitlement is defined as "the belief that one is inherently deserving of privileges or special treatment"
Arrogant and classist? So are you offended by WTF too like some OSU fans?
It's no different than calling it a "frat."
you're completely out of touch. Calling me Independent would not bother me. I don't think you should be bothered by me calling a Fraternity a "frat".
Calling me a "God Damn Independent" does bother me. I would fully expect you to be offended by me saying you're part of a "God Damn Frat"
Not out of touch.
I, personally, never called you GDI. Or GD anything.
I get to choose what I'm offended by. Frat offends me. It's fraternity. You wouldn't call your country a.....
GDI bothers you, Frat bothers me.
Just so we can clear the air, is the term "Frat boy" considered derogatory or are you just offended by it as an individual?
If it is derogatory, I will never use it again and my apologies to anyone I've offended for ever using it. If it just offends you, my apologies to you for being offensive. Being a part of a fraternity myself for a short period of time, I never found "Frat" or "Frat boy" offensive.
Well, first off, let me apologize for not using Fraternity correctly. Until this comment, I did not realize it was offensive to say 'frat'.
I will say, however, that being personally offended by a contraction is fundamentally different from being subjected to a widely regarded offensive statement. It is pretty widely considered offensive to use the Lord's name in vain. Exodus 20:7. It is not so widely known, or regarded, to be offensive to refer to Fraternities by a shortened name. This has been somewhat of an enlightening debate for me, as I hope it has also been for you.
I understand that you personally did not refer to me as GDI and my issue was not with you, but with the argument that "Fraternities don't harbor douchebags because they're just like GDI's with the exception that they belong to a Fraternity". I have not said, nor do I support the common belief, that Fraternities are full of d-bags. I will not support such an argument as the term d-bag is, in my mind, offensive.
I also have never heard of GDI and as an independent I would NOT proudly refer to myself as GDI. I do not think any more or less of people who were or were not members of Fraternities or Sororities. I am neither proud nor ashamed that I myself was not a Fraternity member.
I want to support the argument that Fraternities and Sororities are full of wonderful people. An argument that identifies non-greek members as "God Damn Independents" undermines itself. If it weren't for that name-tag being attached to independents, I would have been on board with that post and argument.
I hope you understand the point that I'm trying to make. I'm not arguing against Fraternities or Sororities. I'm taking exception to the fact that the argument supporting them undermined itself. In the same sense, I would be upset if an argument supporting the Awesomeness of VT in general undermined itself in a similar manner. It doesn't mean that I don't like VT, it just means I don't like how the argument portrays VT.
Funny thing, that. I have family members who pledged, and they use phrases "frat brothers" all.the.time.
Must be an NPHC thing not to be offended by it.
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It really gets me whenever anyone refers to our alma mater as anything short of Virginia Polytechnic Institute and State University. It is so utterly offensive to hear people rudely shorten it to "VPI" or "VT" or, God help me, "Virginia Tech." Come on people, you wouldn't call your country a c*nt, right? Don't get me started on people who refer to our country as "The United States" instead of it's rightful name "The United States of America".
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This is ridicuous! I've never heard any greek or non-greek individual use this term! It's not widespread!
Here are the 3 types of people using it (who I've never met):
1. Someone who's using it about themself to differentiate themself from the greek community. Which is silly because you are just putting more weight on your status as greek or non-greek
2. Someone who's in the greek community about someone else. This is also silly because who cares if someone's greek or not. If you care (with the exception of care about people you're trying to rush), you're also being silly.
3. You're non-greek using it about someone else, which you should refer to 1.
AND if you're offended by it, please tell me you've heard it personally as a derogatory term towards you or someone you know DIRECTLY and not simply from a hokie football forum.
first time I "heard" it was when 7LoP used it above. So that's a fraternity guy using it to refer to non-fraternity people (while trying to argue against the douche-itude of greeks as a whole, ironically enough).
I would argue that certain words are automatically derogatory. Honestly, if we weren't talking about something that people are clearly invested in (at least I assume so by the high level of defensiveness flying about), we could all agree that adding "God-damned" as a prefix to most labels for groups of people makes that, which would have otherwise been inoffensive, offensive. Even so, I'd be interested to hear the origins of the name.
What cracks me up is that the term "frat" is apparently offensive. I never knew this was the case and will try to be careful to stop using it, but I'd love to hear the rationale behind that one.
On a lighter note, I would like to point out that calling someone a "God-damned Independent" has been known to result in bar room brawls.
A buddy of mine pledged a fraternity and called it a "frat" while pledging. He got reamed out, with the justification, "you don't call your country a c*nt, so you don't call your fraternity a frat."
I never took offense to the term "frat", though i never used it myself, nor did I ever think it was appropriate for a pledge to use it (everyone else I just shrugged it off). If I had to take a guess, the term "frat guy" is not endearing, and with it came the stigma of the word "frat".
You can believe me or not, the vast majority of greeks don't bother themselves about the "greek status" of other people. If a greek community coined a term (ex. GDI) that sounds offensive, its probably not on purpose (I'm still not convinced it is a greek community creation). And if someone actually thinks less of you because you aren't greek, they probably are part of the same general university population percentage of idiots. If you want to bash the greek system as a whole, fine. However, you're probably doing your own reputation a disservice by over-generalizing.
This will be my last post on the topic.
I want to make it crystal clear that I am NOT bashing the greek community. I have absolutely no issues with Fraternities or Sororities in general. When someone uses an acronym without defining said acronym that implies that it is a commonly known/used acronym. Based on the original post I believe it is fair to surmise that GDI is a term commonly used to identify individuals who are not members of a Fraternity or Sorority (I have since learned that may not necessarily be the case....fine). Given this combined with the supposed definition of GDI as "God Damn Independent" (which I believe to be offensive, not because I'm an 'Independent' but rather because I think preceding any pronoun with 'God Damn' is disrespectful to that respective group) I find it to be a mark against the argument that Fraternities are full of D-Bags. I am NOT saying that because this argument undermines itself it must be entirely wrong. That is not my point at all. Again, I have no reason to speak or think ill of Fraternities or Sororities. It bothers me that someone supporting greek life undermines their own argument and making greek-identifying individuals look bad in the process.
It would bother me if a Hokie used an offensive term in reference to something non-Hokie in the process of defending the Pro-Hokie perspective. That doesn't mean that I would be anti-Hokie for disagreeing with the presentation of the argument. I don't know if that makes my perspective on this clearer to others or not. This debate has gotten out of hand and apparently some feelings have been hurt so I will terminate with this. I want it to be absolutely clear that I don't think Fraternity Brothers are Douchebags. Douchebags walk among all groups of people. Douchebaggery is not something that can be classified by race, gender, age, religion, sexual preference or any other affiliation. Fraternity Brothers can be Douchebags. Non-Fraternity Brothers can be Douchebags.
The core of my argument came from the fact that a Pro Fraternity individual argued that not all Fraternity Brothers are douchebags (a stance with which I happen to agree) but in so doing used a potentially offensive term to identify non-Fraternity Brothers (which would be kind of a douchebag thing to do). The irony killed me.
period. end.
just so you know, I think you've been perfectly clear to anyone who wasn't already looking for a fight
Apparently, that just depends on which website you're visiting
What cracks me up is that the term "frat" is apparently offensive. I never knew this was the case and will try to be careful to stop using it, but I'd love to hear the rationale behind that one.
I think it's pretty safe to assume that nobody wants to be called "frat boy", which you used in a different post.
did I?
If true....that sentiment undermines the whole argument...when you cast 'non-greek' people as "God Damn Independents" while you're trying to defend the sanctity of frats and sororities, all it really does is create an even sharper divide between fratboys/sorority sisters and non-fratboys/sorority sisters. As a "GDI" myself, this categorization of non-greek students offends me. In so doing, instead of convincing me that Frats and Sororities are just like living with normal roommates, it indicates to me that Frat boys and Sorority girls are arrogant and they believe they're above lowly GDIs
this argument does nothing but foster my resentment towards greek-life
Seriously? The way you present this argument, the only difference is the side of the fence you are on. Reading both entries, you both are saying the same exact thing: the other side is arrogant and entitled and you don't like what they stand for. (Read whatever you want into it, read it however you want. You know your mind is already made up whether you like Greek members or not. I really don't care. But this has devolved into something completely simple and childish and should just stop now.)
Everyone grow up. You're out of college now, so act like it.
I have nothing against fratboys or sorority girls. I'm marrying a sorority girl and some of my best friends were members of frats. I do not have an issue with greek-life personally. I'm just making the point that when you categorize non-greek students as "God Damn Independents" that is a show of arrogance and entitlement which completely undermines that argument that Fratboys aren't douchebags. I have never once said that I don't like what Frats stand for. I'm merely pointing out that the wind is taken out of the sails of the argument when you toss out arrogant, derisive terms to identify a group of people with whom you do not identify. You're not helping the case by trying to turn it back on me. I have not once posted anything bad about frats or sororities. I would love for everyone to just get along and be able to live with each other without judgement but I won't stand for being grouped into a group with the title 'God Damn..(whatever)..'
if you're having trouble understanding why calling non-greek students "God Damn Independents" is a problem try saying something like "those God Damn Indians want to change the Redskins mascot" and then try to convince Native Americans that you're not racist. It won't work.
You're making a big assumption that the GDI term was developed by members of fraternities, as opposed to people who proudly proclaimed themselves as non-members of fraternities.
I have mostly heard that term used by non-fraternity members, often with pride.
#GDI4LYFE!
But really, the level of offense in this subthread is too damn high. While GDI CAN be used derogatorily, it's far more common to see it used as a point of pride for those not in a frat. If people pay attention to the tone of how words are used, and not the words themselves, they'll have a whole lot fewer problems.
Well, in my defense, I've never heard GDI before and tone does not translate well via the Internet. That being said, tone is defensible for some words but not all. I still don't like being referred to as GD anything, regardless of tone. I would not proudly proclaim that I am a God Damn American. That's just not me.
1. I was greek and I've never heard of "GDI".
2. I don't know if living in the Fraternity house is like living with non-greek roommates. I was in a fraternity and never lived with any of my fraternity brothers. I won't claim its the same or different. But there's no sense of entitlement (the real definition) that I know of
3. There are greeks who are the nicest people you'll ever meet (many I met outside my own fraternity), and there are some who are douches (some inside my own fraternity). And guess what? The same occurs outside the greek system too (amazing, right? /s)
If you had a bad experience with a greek organization, I'm sorry to hear that. If individuals wearing greek letters act like a-holes towards people who are outside of the greek community, shame on them. It is YOUR CHOICE to extrapolate that experience to the rest of the greek organizations. Your resentment of "the greek system" as a whole is your own fabrication and wholly unjustified.
We are all hokies, and the people I was friends with in the greek community never acted towards people outside that community any differently (except to spare they conversation about greek oriented stuff that they don't care about)
It is becoming clear to me that I am struggling to get my point across. I have never had, nor do I currently have, any ill feelings towards greek-life. My point is that the argument supporting greek-life undermines itself when it uses a derisive phrase to identify non-greek individuals. The sense I got from the original comment was that GDI was a commonly used term among fraternities. If that is not the case than I'm fine with that but it doesn't change the fact that the term was used in an argument supporting greek-life, thus undermining the argument. In the same sense I would strongly disagree with an argument supporting non-greek life that undermines itself by referring to all greek-life individuals in a derogatory manner.
Let's not bicker and argue about frat vs. GDI
Let's just all agree that everyone is too god damned sensitive on this thread.
And remember, I did say god damned when referring to sensitive people. So, it was totally meant as deragatory. /s
That's a pretty good god damned image to really drive home your god damned point. Have a god damned leg.
I'm offended that you misspelled derogatory.
So am I.
Man, I was waaaay off
Whew glad someone else was stuck on this thought. Leg.
I had to
my head in agreement.
For those who have never seen the video associated with this gif, enlighten thineselves
Precisely
Fan fiction would tell you that the house of Gryffindor was in fact, the only house that members got to choose to be in. Case in point: Bravery is the only house moral that can be chosen, I.E. if you decided to be brave and choose Gryffindor, you were sorted there. Mind blown?
Hufflepuffs are loyal. That could be chosen.
Maybe I'm the minority, but I never split the cost of groceries/alcohol/etc with roommates unless it was to specifically throw a party or if I felt like sharing my beer in the fridge. The key difference remains that I didn't pay my friends to live with me. I don't have a problem with Frats, they weren't for me. I'm just calling it how I see it.
I do not think you are in the minority here.
Did you ever contribute to support an activity you participated in along side other people who also contributed towards it? You've never joined a country club or yacht club? Did you ever pool money with your roommates to throw a party? You know, like donations towards a website where you enjoyed spending your time, or donations to an athletic department because you wanted to help them improve?
Think of it more as pooling your money for some cause you supported, or activity you enjoyed. It's not really all that different. You're not buying friends as much as you're pooling your money to throw parties and sponsor events.
You mean like......
or
Only if its like this!
I prefer...
They do say you should never join a club that would have you as a member...
moved up
This blew up faster than I could get my two cents in. I was a founding father of a now successful fraternity at Tech and will try to summarize thusly:
1. GDI was a term used more by Greek unaffiliated students and the GD part comes from the fact that most unaffiliated only get to see the parties and assume that all fraternities stand for is drinking and womanizing. I was always tired of the "pay for friends" and "frat boy" look-down-the-nose comments, they always had a hint of jealousy in them.
2. The term "frat boy" is derogatory. It basically carries immaturity and boorish behavior connotation. We used to say we recruited frat boys and graduated fraternity men. It is just implies all of the stereotypes from movies and almost all of them are bad.
3. All of my non-Greek friends did the same things, mostly in smaller groups, with cheaper everything and usually less fun, the main exception was we did charity/philanthropy almost weekly, had a name to live up to, and a team aspect to our extra-circulars.
What are you talking about? It is so stupid to pay couple hundred bucks a month to have 4 parties a week where the booze is free, your good friends are there, and there are hundreds of women in attendance. /s
Not to mention the job I got coming out of school from an older member. To each their own.
Who said it was stupid?
But to your point, I paid hundreds of dollars less a month to do the same exact thing at your fraternity, and I didn't have to shove a hot dog anywhere it didn't belong
You missed the last part of the post when I was actually being somewhat serious. I was pointing out the stereotype of fraternities which was mentioned previously, also sarcastically, with a sarcastic post of my own.
I saw the /s, but it seemed like you were being serious, so many people actually have that attitude
I'm super cereal on this website, always (/s just in case)
I never had to shove a hot dog into any orifice. You're thinking of UVA frats.
Hotties fighting each other with giant Tootsie rolls.
just sayin'.
Come on. They also go to class, where guys fantasize about them fighting each over giant Tootsie rolls.
From what I heard, this sorority is also doing a service project to promote public awareness of the plight of Ghetto Kroger, so I guess they're ok.
and this is news because..... how about we go and look at other sorority videos.. the writer just seems to be mad for some reason..
PS University of Alabama Racial demographic is 80% Caucasian 11.7% African American 3.2 Hispanic/Latino and the rest is a mix.. so with that said not too surprising that most the women in this video are white.
#FACTS
Here is Arizona's Alpha Phi Recruitment video--> same ole stuff in this video minus bikini's
I agree. More research needed.
If your wife/girlfriend catches you watching sorority recruitment videos, just let 'em know it's research.
I'm not 1005 sure AND, not that there's anything wrong with that but, I don't think JUGS has to worry too much about her wife not approving.
I bet her husband might have feelings about it, one way or the other.
The comment was intended to be general in nature, not specifically to JUGS...
Of course.
But, it's not in my nature to pass up the opportunity and I was working from home and I hadn't met my needle quota.
I hate to break it to the sisters of Alpha Phi at Arizona, but they show their letters in "Arizona" which would translate to "ArizFna." Oh well, blame it on the heat?
you're correct, entirely too few bikinis in this video
but this one is ok because there's one black girl in is /s
This had me doing YouTube searches. Apparently a lot of sororities at a lot of colleges have these, and they are all pretty similar.
Here is a Delta Gamma one at Arizona with way more bikinis.
Well I had to check this out... for science
They blinded me with bikinis.
This is what I don't get: the whole sailor theme. Is there a harbor in Arizona that I never knew about?
Every sorority has a symbol for their organization. With DG, it's the anchor and rope.
any one else see anchor associated with a women's organization and immediately jump to "ball and chain?"
So, in so many words... single men, run away fast and don't look back?
Are they taking applications for the Arizona Navy? Sign me up
Something about a dinghy.
This would be even more provocative if they were in bras and panties /s
This looks like a video that is recruiting for an organization that emphasizes a fun, friendly, like-minded organization. The Alabama sorority definitely took a much more sex-sells approach which plays into the stereotypes and is probably why it has drawn the negative attention (and the certain kind of positive attention) it has.
The underlying question here is "Is discrimination based on attractiveness OK?"
I think a much more important question is "can the alleged discrimination actually be proven?" But to answer your question, yes, discrimination based on attractiveness is okay.
Proof, shmoof.
The media assigns the headline telling the conclusion they want people to have, and it's up to the subjects to defend themselves.
The media has a narrative to support, so innuendo eventually will gradually give way to assertion. No hard evidence really necessary other than anecdotal.
The Todd has ruined that word for me:
Not usually one to partake in OT discussions here but...
I was expecting way worse after reading the article. Other than there being several gratuitous bikini shots and it being painfully stereotypical and obnoxiously typical of normal marketing ploys, all annoying but generally innocuous in nature, there wasn't much here.
Obviously, it's more alarming with the context of the exclusion of minorities from University of Alabama sororities, and that is an issue, there is little to take issue with within the video itself...
Agreed. I have rewatched this video a good 50-60 times so far this afternoon and can't identify any specific issues.
Did you slow it down yet? I noticed I mean I heard it helps, also turn the volume off.
All I see are some college girls that had fun making a recruiting video. No story here.
Football season can't get here fast enough!
"it hurts to pee..."
good to know there are folks here who know what i'm talking about!
I don't understand the uproar. Every sorority in the country do these videos. As dumb as I think they are, there's nothing wrong with them in the slightest.
Cut it off @ 1:28. Looked like a bad scene that was cut from Van Wilder and I don't care about the exclusion of minorities in sororities. Really? I did just apply for the pool boy position at the house though.
Oh to be 20 again and single! A man could have a lot of fun in that house!
Unfortunately, at 20 and in my prime, I still would not have qualified to play in that league. (sigh)
I for one thoroughly enjoyed it...
-Bad, wicked, naughty Zoot! She has been setting fire to our beacon, which I have just remembered - is grail-shaped ... It is not the first time we've had this problem.
-It's not the real Grail?
-Wicked wicked Zoot ... she is a bad person and she must pay the penalty. And here in Castle Anthrax, we have but one punishment ... you must tie her down on a bed ... and spank her. Come!
"Oh let me have just a little bit of peril."
great reference there.....leg for you.
Well I suppose I could stay a bit longer...
I didn't see anything wrong with it. It looks like a strong bonded group of girls who like each other's company and have fun together. Which, I think, is one of the goals of everyone who attends college, not just the Greek system.
I did find myself wanting to take a trip to Bama though. Also, started thinking that in 17 years, my son will be going to college. Granted, that will mean I'm the dirty old man.
If this video made you think your son should visit University of Alabama, I'd say you may have already arrived.
I just said college, not specific on bama. If he wants to go there, is be sad but it would be his choice.
And yes beer is always involved in my process.
After watching again, couple of other notes.
I still have no idea what is going on with the current fashion trends are with girls these days. I'm really at a lose as to how some of these outfits are "cute".
Big Al can twerk.
These girls can't whip or nay nay.
I like the glitter affect.
Drones are fun.
I was totally thinking, "man, someone is having too much fun with that quad-copter"
"Dont act like you're not impressed!"
I find the diversity conversation to be a tough one. No one should be made to feel unwelcome based on their race, ethnic origins, or sexual preference. I also do not believe in preferential treatment based on being something other than white (but let me move out of the potential affirmative action debate).
I really don't care that there's no ethnic diversity in that sorority. If its by DESIGN, then thats racist and wrong. If only white, beach blondes have ever wanted to join and clicked well with the group, then who the hell cares?
The video is not offensive, not shot in widescreen (why!?!?), and has crappy EDM.
Ha, um wait a sec... the music on this video has changed since yesterday...
Indeed it has. Someone is still playing damage control I suspect.
What's interesting is how much worse this music goes with the video than the original...
Also, it cuts out like 30 seconds to end, which is probably for the best...
Meanwhile......in the sorority house:
Molly May: "goodness! So many people are upset with our video! What should we do?'
Alexandra: 'It could only be the music, otherwise it's Super-perfect!'
Molly May: ' OK, change the music and we'll be OK!'......
what was it yesterday? The soundtrack/music on it now is probably the most offensive thing about the video
There was music????
I couldn't watch the whole thing, so maybe I'm missing the point where this is a recruitment video for a sorority. It looked more like a recruitment video for guys to visit Alpha Phi.
Maybe it was supposed to be an Alpha Phi music video? That's how it's pieced together. It looked like B roll footage for a Luke Bryan music video.
I expected to see a confederate flag or something...which made me watch until the end, I'll never get that time back!
yes, I'm sure that's why most people watched that video to the end.
Touche!
for whatever reason when I see some sorority video, before I even watch it, the pool scene from "Fast Times at Ridgemont High" is playing. And now I can't get "moving in stereo" by the cars out of my head.
can't really find a NSFW gif or clip of it so I won't post one.
That's certainly the right soundtrack for this video.
I miss college
I found the video to be quite boneriffic!
SWEET berry wine.
Did anyone notice that Alpha Phi was established the same year as Virginia Tech?
Hey look, nobody said there was going to be a quiz afterwards!!!!
So you are the guy that actually reads playboy for the articles.
Hey, the flag was wrapped around a girl in a bikini.
I may have found a learning aid that actually works for me.
"Hey! that flag is blocking my view of.....oh, how very interesting. Same year, huh?"
I don't think 'Hooked on flags' will do so well....
No. No it won't.
nah, the cartoons!
I'll just say this... knew a couple girls who went to rush for Alpha Phi and were incredibly turned off when the first question that was asked of them in the entire process was "so what does your daddy do?" So to see a video like this that glorifies the image of who they are and not what it is that they do does not really surprise me.
We are going to play a game called who is your Daddy and what does he do...
I'll start, I'll start!
This is our Dadi and this is what he does.
The BC picture is glorious
I know, right? I caption it:
"Here comes Dadi"
"Mommmeeeeee!!!!!"
I thought about using that as the last picture of the montage, but Anthony Boone in a sleeper hold sealed the deal.
If I were less honorable, I would create a second account so I could give you 2 legs.
The new music ruins it.
I agree. The old music actually matched the video. The new music has it pretending it's something it's not.