2013 Spring Practice: Second Open Scrimmage

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So we've been here before, the second public scrimmage, last before the ever-important Maroon—White game. The public had already seen the team play once, but it was very vanilla. A lot of form correction, coaches yelling and missed plays (basically, everything you expect from the first scrimmage).

Traditionally the second scrimmage looks exactly like the first one. Same corrections of the same mistakes, and almost no progress shown, which is usually a concern. Let's just say that that was not the case today. Don't get me wrong, plenty of mistakes were made—with expletive laden coaching rants following them—but they were not the same as the first scrimmage on Monday. There were many less fundamental problems, especially on offense.

From the mouth of offensive coordinator Scot Loeffler:

"I saw some improvement," offensive coordinator Scot Loeffler said. "But we had too many balls on the ground. We've got to stop fumbling the ball (two lost fumbles). We've got to catch the ball (four drops). On short yardage, we need to improve. On third-and-2, when we’re down there, we had to pull the ball and run a naked bootleg with Logan (the 3-yard TD run). That's not our mentality. We're going to line up and knock people off the ball and run the ball in the end zone. So that needs to improve.

"We need to get better. We did some positive things. I don't want to sound like negative Nancy here. There were some extremely positive things, but we also have to have the mentality that we're against the clock. We play in 100-and-some odd days. We've got to go."

The players simply looked more comfortable with this offense, which is much more complicated than people let on with more formations, audibling responsibilities, and shifting than in year's past. I mean, they're obviously not running the complete Patriots playbook, but it's not your average high school veer either.

Anyway, I think that with the offense being the focus of every single Hokie outside of Bud Foster, it's safe to say progression is happening. Today, I made my focus the wide receiving corps, while also watch Logan Thomas a little more closely. Before we get there, however, let's look at a couple of things I noted today:

Four-fifths of my projected starting line all started again today, and looked better than Monday. The interior especially surprised me, with Brent Benedict starting at left guard (he started at right guard last year), Caleb Farris at center and Andrew Miller at right guard (he has played center his entire career). Laurence Gibson started against at right tackle, while true freshman Jonathan McLaughlin started at left tackle. Jeff Grimes has said all along that he wants to play the best players, and I guess even if that means starting a true freshman. That being said, the overall play of the line improved, but Grimes still has a ton of room to work.

I hate even trying to evaluate running back play in these scrimmages. It's pretty well known that Bud likes to change and tweak little things with his defense, which could lead to missed defensive assignments and random long runs. Tailbacks are also extremely dependent on the blocking in front of them. If the blocking is poor, a good running back could look poor, so it's nearly impossible to determine how the race for the starting running back will shake out especially with only one look at each play. Michael Holmes got a ton of carries today and looked pretty good. Shane Beamer even said that Holmes got his "swag" back, which could be good, but it complicates the race further. Even though Beamer wants to have his top 3 by the end of spring, I don't think we will know the starter until deep into the summer.

As Loeffler's quote above indicated, there were struggles punching the ball in the endzone during goal line work. If I remembered correctly, Holmes got stood up 3 times in a row, and Edmunds was stuffed as well.

Logan looked very good today. Yes, the official line was 6-16 for 119 yards, which at face value isn't impressive, but his receivers had a ton of drops and just barely missed on two other touch throws. He was peppering the ball all over the field, throwing it with both steam and relative accuracy. Thomas also showed some movement outside of the pocket, running three times for decent gains. One big gain downfield, Thomas slid before getting "hit" (touched). I wonder if we are going to see a lot less third and Logan this year.

The wide receiver situation is interesting. Today's stats were unimpressive, obviously because only two guys caught more than one pass (and they caught two). I think that this season will remind us of a better version of 2008, when Coale, Boykin and Roberts were all young. Obviously there will be more production, because the quarterback situation then was disastrous, but think a group of untested guys with unknown expectations. Let's break each of the big players down to see if we know what to expect:

D.J. Coles: Hit on him a little bit last time, and Andy Bitter wrote a very interesting post about the way he's going to be used. He's going to be an interesting weapon, and I really will enjoy watching Logan hit Coles in the flat on a rollout. My biggest concern is that he won't be able to get open when matched up against a corner, because his explosiveness is still not there. I'm still looking forward to watching him work.

Joshua Stanford: The guy that will probably put up the best stats of any of the receivers, he has quickly turned into the guy Thomas looks for most. Speedy, capable of big catches and plays, he's a solid threat on both the outside and over the middle. Despite technically being Coles' backup, he will see a ton of the field.

Demitri Knowles: Another guy Logan has been looking for a lot in the spring, Knowles is still fast and has ever improving hands. Size is still a problem, but I think that he could also have a solid season. A summer under Aaron Moorehead could really help Knowles crisp up his routes just a little bit more.

Kevin Asante: Asante is another guy that's a little undersized, but he really impressed in the first scrimmage. I wonder how he will be used, because he doesn't have the size to go over the middle, but that doesn't mean that he can't be utilized in a backup role.

Joel Caleb: I saved Caleb for last. Due to him being a highly rated recruit, many people expected Caleb to play right away. The fact that he had to redshirt and hasn't cracked the two-deep has just made fans even more frustrated. He reeled in a very nice diving touchdown today, and his athleticism is evident on first sight. It's also obvious that he just simply isn't used to playing receiver yet. He converted from quarterback, and looks like he hasn't ever had to play out there before (which he hasn't). If this was under the old regime I would immediately label him to be a candidate for Marcus Davis round two, a physical specimen that just has to think too much at receiver. He will be a huge test for Moorehead, if he can make this guy into a number one receiver, he will prove himself to be an excellent position coach.

That's it from today, but I will post a pre-Spring Game piece later in the week.

Comments

Sounds like the Offense is really picking up this go-round. Encouraging news!

Our passing game looked pretty good today. Tight ends (especially Malleck) dropped a bunch of passes though. The running game is a different story. Offensive line is generating little to no push except for the rare play, which is when a running back actually gains yards. Michael Holmes looked improved today. Demetri Knowles also had a good day - a couple long catches and 1 was a touchdown on Kyle Fuller. He did have 1 drop when Logan threw a little behind him and a defender got his hands in.

"That move was slicker than a peeled onion in a bowl of snot." -Mike Burnop

Hey fans, I have said it before and I'll say it again, do not sleep on Duan Perez-Means, this kid can catch, block and run routes with the best of them. Zack had some good catches but, did you see the 17yard catch DPM caught. He is a play maker and I believe if given the opportunity in the spring game he will show his athletic ability. As a whole the tightends must step up for our offense, and become a complete package and a threat all over the field.

I completely agree we have some upside. My only point was there is a lot of work to do with the tight ends. I have no experience truly analyzing a player's skills. So I cannot really comment on blocking or if someone is making a mental error. The best I can do is point out that the TEs need more practice catching the ball. DPM may have been the only TE who did not drop a ball, if I remember correctly. There must be a reason the coaches don't have him starting. My guess is because he played DE for a couple years and is still learning nuances of the position.
The TEs have a huge chance to make an impact in this new offense, especially from bootlegs.

"That move was slicker than a peeled onion in a bowl of snot." -Mike Burnop

You made a valid point as to why DPM didn't start. It can't be because he played a couple of years as a DE, he had a year as a tightend. Now we all know coaches have there favorites and I truly hope this is not the case but , something to ponder.There is no way a kid with his talent is to sit the pine. I believe we as fans have to look and watch for ourselves and not listen so much to the media hype. The tightends are going to be a factor and as fans we want the best on the field. Let's pay special attention and take inventory of the tightends moving forward in hopes of finding the one or two guys who we think will impact this team for all it's worth.

Duan? Is that you!?

May we all get what we want and never what we deserve.

if dnyce is dpm then welcome! we'd love to have a player or coach chatting with us.

if not well, you got an unusual fixation on dpm but welcome all the same.

"That kid you're talking to right there, I think he played his nuts off! And you can quote me on that shit!" -Bud Foster

i LOLed at that

We have been folloing this kid since high school and only want the best for him.Supporting a player who works hard is only right.

no, just a fan who has been following this kid since high school.

lets all relax with the tight ends here. DPM is a good athlete, but I don't think there is any reason to quit on Malleck if he has had a bad scrimmage or something. There was a reason that Malleck spurned a redshirt as a true freshman, a reason he was pegged as the tight end of the future, and a reason that he played the most snaps at tight end last season. He is going to break out in this offense. DPM and McCray will also be factors, don't get me wrong, but a few dropped passes in a spring scrimmage is nothing to be too alarmed about. Malleck will be fine and he has a chance to made a major impact on this offense.

That is correct, let's not give up on Malleck or any of the tightends. Iam looking forward to the tightends gelling with the entire offensive package. To be truthful, I am looking forward to the day when the offense gives the defense fits and when that happens you will see a team that will be unified, hungary and win the national championship. ( We have the best D in the ACC)

What's wrong with Jack Tyler's arm??

Looked like a stinger.

Tyler tweeted after the scrimmage, "Don't worry about me, I'll be alright".

Mike Stancik wrote, "Tariq Edwards & Jack Tyler looked solid stuffing the run together, until Tyler (unofficially) dislocated his finger while making a tackle."

Looked much better than Monday. Kept consistent oline (especially 1st team) throughout. McLaughlin holds his own and is massive. I think he plays come fall.
I'm not sure if Caleb knows what he's doing or not but if he figures it out, watch out. He's got the athleticism to be a difference maker. Knowles looked good. Didn't see many targets for Stanford.

TEs need someone to step up in a Loeffler offense. Liked what I saw out of McCray.

Holmes looked the best of the RBs, but is also the only one who found what few holes there were.

Looks like there's some young guys on D who may contribute. There is absolutely no depth at linebacker.

People have already given their views so I'll add to the pile too.

- First off, Antone Exum isn't in crutches anymore but he was wearing a knee brace and throwing balls to the other DBs. It's good to see that he's still involved with things

- Mark Shuman started got reps at LT today and he drew a holding call against Dadi Nicolas (who ended up throwing a punch).

- Lots of plays out of the full house. One of the fullbacks would usually motion either into a TE, H-back, or slot position.

- Agreed that the TEs need to step up. Ryan Malleck dropped an easy catch on a stick route and Redman fumbled the ball after the catch (but it went out of bounds, luckily.)

- If it were the season, Logan would have ripped off another 60 yard TD run on a QB draw. He slid around the 35 yard line, and Hokie Nation rejoiced.

- Similar to what the Redskins did last year, the PA Stretch Naked Boot will be a staple of the passing game. There was also one time where Loeffler wanted LT to run with it on one of the boots. Better to get a 4 yard gain than force it into coverage, I suppose.

- One time in the huddle, I could actually hear Logan give the play and it seems like Loeffler uses heavy verbage. It's good that he's getting exposed to that now.

I think the heavy verbage is part of why Auburn didn't succeed with Loeffler at the helm. Cam Newton said a few years ago to Jon Gruden that they would just get a number (eg 36) from the sideline and that would contain all the info for the play. It's hard to get to people who were used to that to know what "Brown Left Z Right Sprint Right G U Corner HB Flat" or any other 14 word play means and execute properly.

As you can tell, I was observing the offense more than the D, so someone who's more knowledgeable than me can fill in the gaps.

One last thing: When the 1st team O was coming onto the field in the red zone (or green zone) LT was getting the offense pumped up and ready to go. I freaking love that he (especially as a QB) is showing some leadership.

This is gonna be a fun team to watch
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I think the heavy verbage is part of why Auburn didn't succeed with Loeffler at the helm. Cam Newton said a few years ago to Jon Gruden that they would just get a number (eg 36) from the sideline and that would contain all the info for the play. It's hard to get to people who were used to that to know what "Brown Left Z Right Sprint Right G U Corner HB Flat" or any other 14 word play means and execute properly.

To be fair, I don't think it's harder on the quarterback with the verbiage and definitely much easier on all the other players. Memorizing a play associated with a number seems like a lot of useless memorization. What the hell was play 22? What was play 105? Whereas, "Z motion out" is easy, the slot motions, then does an out route. If I was a player, I'd much rather a descriptive name than a baseless number. Of course, it's not that simple, but I imagine anyone who studies would be able to figure out the verbiage and the philosophy it was derived from. Just takes on-field practice and off-field studying.

Thanks for letting us know what you saw in the scrimmage.

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Point well taken. If I'm a player, It'd be better for me to hear my assignment in the huddle than have to remember the entire play.

I'm glad I was able to go :)

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Dadi Nicolas threw a punch?

Sounds like he's got some fire. I like that.
With that said, please get the kid some discipline work.

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Maybe someone else can confirm this -- I'm just saying what I saw.

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Honestly, if true I don't care that much (right now), just like when Gayle popped Leal in the endzone on Monday. The last thing the DLine needs is to return/start all this talent and athleticism and have them sit on their haunches cause they can dominate a rebuilding OLine and read their press clippings. You take this DLine and add some attitude/nastiness...mmmmm I can almost taste the tears of opposing QBs, RBs, and OCs already. Admittedly, yes, eventually they'll have to reel it in and make sure they don't give up stupid penalties. Until then, I say let 'em play nasty.

But they shouldn't draw a personal foul or unsportsmanlike conduct on a crucial defensive stop. Smarts & toughness.

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Well obviously, but until we get in a real game, let's develop the toughness part first. Last year we were soft AND undisciplined, so I'll take improvement wherever I can get it.

Excellent report. Thanks for taking the time to post it.

Very glad to hear that apparently we'll be using the play-action bootleg a lot more in our offense this season. One of the two main beefs that I have had with VT's offense over the years (the second one being the lack of true screens to the RB) is that we don't employ misdirection enough. i.e.: IMHO, we've made it too easy for the defense to sell out on the first motion of the offensive line to one side or the other without having to worry about misdirection coming back the other way. Regularly mixing in plays like the PA bootleg as well as the inside handoff going back against the flow of the play is enough to cause an opposing defense to hold its ground for just a split second, making it easier for other plays like the outside zone run to be successful.

They ran several varieties of bootleg and waggle. Thomas had an outstanding throw with a defender in his face to McCray, who ran a 12 yard out underneath a corner route on a flood waggle right.

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yea...need more info on this please

Blackstone this weekend, Blacksburg next weekend. What does that say about my life?

Good to see progress is being made with the offense. GO HOKIES!

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Logan looks sharp from this film. Throws were crisp and on point. The Holmes TD run is in there and he showed some of the vision he lacked last year. I love it. #BEATBAMA.

I have no idea why my username is VT_Warthog.

Arkansas blew a 24-0 lead in the Belk Bowl.

Logan's mechanics and footwork looks tremendously improved.

The best qb's have very "choppy" feet - meaning they keep their feet shifting while in the pocket to help move into throwing lanes and eventually be able to quickly plant your back foot and deliver the football. Peyton Manning is a great example of a QB who is always chopping his feet.

Last year, Logan was often very flat footed - which led to him being slow in his delivery and with very poor mechanics. He would not get his feet set right, which did not allow him to square his hips, which led to him overcompensating with his shoulder. I believe this is why he had accuracy issues last season.

Fast forward to the last scrimmage, and his feet are chopping like Peyton's. Because of that, his entire throwing motion looked NFL caliber. Loefler is making a difference.

when i see logan hit a perfect rainbow dart to knowles in stride for a td:

"That kid you're talking to right there, I think he played his nuts off! And you can quote me on that shit!" -Bud Foster

i really hope that the running back "rotation" is solidified by mid summer. the "rotation" they used last year and not having a clear #1 back, i think killed our run game because no one could get a groove going, ever. we need a clear starter and not what happened last year. hopefully with the oline getting more reps the better blocking will lead to someone breaking out and being that clear #1

tyrod did it mikey! tyrod did it!

I'd say poor scheme and blocking had about as much to do with a lack of running game, personally. It didn't matter if you left one back in - they aren't getting into a rhythm in a 3-and-out...

It was a catch

based on his performance thus far and assuming he keeps it up could we see dadi starting at d end in front of jr?

"were not gonna back down from anybody" - shane beamer

It's definitely possible. However, coach Wiles was pretty high on JR this spring and Wiles is no sugarcoater. Whowever starts, the backup will probably play almost as much. At any rate, that's one position we probably won't have to worry about.

Like Grimes on the OL, I think Wiles is looking for the best starting four, and have back-ups ready to contribute should he need to substitute. Watching Dadi in two scrimmages and that kid don't quit until the whistle blows. However, I have noted on several plays Dadi was involved, he was often slow to get up, and I wonder if his stamina isn't quite up there yet. Granted, trying to swim and shed block is taxing, but I feel that Dadi isn't quite ready to be the starter.

I support Logan Thomas and make no apologies for it.

The majority of the scrimmage I spent focused on the offense. Here’s some of what I saw:

Logan has progressed tremendously since the first open scrimmage. After his perfect deep ball to Knowles, I saw Loeffler pointing out a mechanical flaw in his motion. I like to see them both striving to be perfect. On Knowles’ deep slant, he threw it through a tight seam and hit him in stride. I only saw one bad read the entire day from him.

I counted 7-8 drops (could’ve been more) by the wide receivers and tight ends. That’s been the theme from the last two scrimmages.

The tight ends were used a lot, especially in play action. It’s clear that they’re an integral part in Scot Loeffler’s offense. With that said, they didn’t play too well. There were multiple drops, a fumble, and play looked sloppy. The play-action was extremely effective when used. It looked like most of the tight end catches were where the H-back leaked out into the flat.

JC Coleman got very limited snaps today after getting banged up early. He broke a tackle and made considerable yards after contact, but that was all we saw from him. Trey Edmunds got some work with the ones today, but really didn’t do too much with it. Michael Holmes did the best of the running backs, but I attribute that more to the line giving him holes to run through than anything. We ran a few running back screens and they worked every time (gained at least 10 yards). Unlike under O'Cainspring, the catch was effortless for the running back, and none of them fell over trying to catch the ball. We saw a few plays with the running backs running routes with the receivers, too.

The offensive line got noticeably more push today. The guys looked like they competed a little harder, and also understood blocking scheme better. If they can continue to improve like they have in the five days since the previous scrimmage, we might be pretty good this year.

I think Aaron Moorehead is going to have a huge impact on the receivers. Knowles has been wide open all spring, but needs to work on his hands a little more. All of the guys are improving, and Logan has been able to spread the ball evenly because of this.

Just a side note, during a pride and joy session (special teams), I saw Shane Beamer was very vocal with the players, leading me to believe that he is taking more control of that from Frank.

The offense expanded the playbook, going from around 10 plays to 20 this time.

Like Brian said, I saw a lot of improvement compared to last Monday, and now I’m expecting to see even more progress before the spring game.

I agree and believe that the tightends will be utilized more this year. From what I've had heard from the close practices is that Duan Perez-Means was catching everything in sight and showed ability of being a play maker. I am looking forward to seeing him involved in the passing game in the spring game. He can run routes and catch with the best of them.

McCray is another tight ends on the watch list. Kid got everything but size, and it doesn't seem to affect him. Ryan Malleck may have had a bad day, but I can't help being a bit concern at the dropped passes that were easily caught from Thomas and Leal.

I support Logan Thomas and make no apologies for it.

The seam route drop from Malleck was brutal. Logan made a perfect read (throw to the spot vacated by the blitzer) and Malleck had acres to run. Malleck and McCray have been the best blockers. Duan Perez Means and Dakota Jackson have been sharp catching the ball. Each has also had moments where you can tell that they may not be an every down solution.

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Some additional thoughts that have not made on any of the posts, including my article over at GobblerCountry.com.

1- The offensive line are actively moving up the 2nd level once they get past the LOS, and go on a "search and destroy" mission. The result is mixed. On some plays, it appears to be working, but on other plays it looked like chaos.

2- The receivers make it an effort to catch every football. There was one throw by Logan Thomas that was on the money, but went through Knowles' hands. On one of the touchdown pass, I can't remember if it was from Brian Roddy, Leal, or Thomas, but Caleb never took his eyes off the ball, and made a diving catch in the end zone. The last time I have seen that was effort was from Danny Coale. *inserts obligatory "It was a catch!"*

3- Continuing with the receivers, I noticed that the receivers made every effort to be involved in the run blocking, something Moorehead promised Hokies Nation we would not worry about, and he is putting his money where his mouth is. I think Edmunds or Coleman was on a run, and either Stanford or Caleb turned and made effort to get back to block on a running play. Or was that on a catch-n-run play? I can't recall, but the point being, the receivers are buying into what Moorehead is demanding from them. As a point of example, when D.J. Coles dropped the first pass from Thomas, what did he do? He promptly went to the sideline, removed his helmet, and did the required 10 push-ups.

4- Back to the OL, I was watching Grimes and Pugh work with them during warm-up, and I mentioned this to French via Twitter, the OL actually listens to Grimes and Pugh. I was watching Grimes explaining to a couple of linemen on what they were doing wrong during warm-ups. He told them they would stand almost straight up out of the stance instead of keeping their weigh forward, and he demonstrated. The OL promptly went back into their stance, and sure enough, they did exactly as instructed. I encourage everyone who plan to make it to Blacksburg on Saturday to watch the OL. What Grimes does with them during warm-ups is vastly different from how Newsome used to do it. Grimes makes it a point of emphasis to explode out of their stance in first steps, and they would repeat it, on the sideline, and during warm-ups. Grimes doesn't take any prisoner when he see something they did wrong during the scrimmages. He's almost like a drill sergeant out on the field. Heck, even Loeffler shouted at Miller that they will run to him on every 4th and 1 play.

5-The concern for the defense is valid. The secondary is pretty thin as the linebacker corps are. For some reason, I am not as worried, and I guess it's because I know the 2013 signees will arrive in August, but unfortunately, I don't think the coaches want to throw them into the frying pan so soon, especially against Alabama.

Out of the 2013 signees I'm most looking forward to is Jefferson, who made French on the Bench's highlight, and then there's Holland Fisher who I am just intrigued by. Of course, there's this small, but have a nose for the football, linebacker that reminds me so much of Troy Polamalu probably because of his flowing locks.

Oh yes, one more item to add: #BeatBama

I support Logan Thomas and make no apologies for it.