
Of all the positions in Bud Foster's defense, the play of the mike linebacker is the most difficult for me to analyze. Unlike the backer, the mike rarely has edge responsibilities, and the high volume of tackles seems to indicate that the mike doesn't necessarily have a pre-determined gap responsibility pre-snap. As best as I can tell from observing film, the mike linebacker (who aligns in different alignments from the center to the wide side of the field) steps to the direction of the play and then fills the first gap bubble that forms between the down defensive linemen. If the defensive linemen occupy their gaps properly, the mike linebacker will find himself in the bubble unblocked, and often that results in a tackle right behind where the center snapped the ball.
Here is a terrific example from Jack Tyler on how to play downhill as a mike linebacker in Tech's scheme. Tyler was a walk-on at Virginia Tech, and wasn't physically imposing taking on blocks. However, he had an uncanny ability to read that bubble and get himself through it in good tackling position. As result, it always seemed like Tyler's most memorable tackles were right behind the center. In the 2010 ACC Championship game, Tyler replaced an injured Bruce Taylor and delivered a memorable performance.
On this play, Florida State runs a zone lead play away from Tyler. Tyler doesn't scrape laterally to his left, like a traditional 4-3 middle linebacker would.
Instead, he finds a bubble created between the right defensive end and the right defensive tackle, and he shoots through the bubble to tackle the Seminole running back for a 2-yard loss. If you watched every game Jack Tyler started at VT, you would see mirror images of this play several times a game.
R-SO Andrew Motuapuaka (6-0, 238 pounds)
Andrew Motuapuaka has been the No. 1 mike thus far through fall camp. Motuapuaka started four games after he replaced an injured Williams against Pitt. During those games, Motuapuaka made plenty of tackles (22 solo tackles and 23 assisted tackles). However, he had some high profile misses that hurt the Hokies in big spots, and, coincidence or not, Tech went 1-3 in games Motuapuaka started. I was very high on Motuapuaka coming out of high school, and thought it was very possible that he would replace Williams as the starter at some point last season. Now, with only true freshman Carson Lydon and Dahman McKinnon (returning after leaving the program in January) standing between him and the starting job, Motuapuaka has his opportunity to establish himself as the center of the Lunch Pail Defense.
However, I became apprehensive after I reviewed the Motuapuaka's film. I watched the spring game, and Motuapuaka was not involved in many tackles. On Trey Edmunds' touchdown, Motuapuaka sat back and didn't attack the hole that opened for Edmunds to run through. Edmunds was able to get downhill momentum and he carried Motuapuaka into the end zone.
Part of that equation is simply that Trey Edmunds is a bad, bad, bad man. However, this isn't the technique that I believe Bud Foster wants to see from his mikes.
I decided to take a second look at some of those old game films and see if this stood out as a theme in Motuapuaka's play last season, and sure enough, time and again Motuapuaka played laterally instead of attacking the bubble.
Here, Miami runs an inside zone to the right with a wham block back to the left. The Hurricanes package the run with a screen fake to the bottom of the screen.
A bubble forms between Ken Ekanem and Nigel Williams (who gets destroyed by a double team). Motuapuaka should immediate attack that bubble when he reads inside zone. Instead, he takes a flat step laterally to his left, tries to correct, and at that point, Williams is almost in his lap so he pursues laterally. As best as I can tell, Foster wants his mikes to attack downhill on the path shown with the dotted line.

Motuapuaka's hesitancy caused him to make the less risky play. It didn't help matters that his defensive tackle was getting pushed back into him. However, his decision resulted in a six-yard gain. Executing the system correctly and a sure tackle would have resulted in a one-yard loss. A single play showcased how Motuapuaka's lack of experience and improper technique coupled with a less dominant d-line left the Virginia Tech defense to sometimes struggle without Chase Williams and Luther Maddy.
In the spring, Bud Foster glowed over Motuapuaka's improvement.
After Tech's first open scrimmage of fall camp, Foster told Beamerball.com, "Andrew Motuapuaka is really playing well. He had a good scrimmage."
Motuapuaka has tremendous pursuit ability for a man his size and that puts him into a position to be a high-volume tackler. If his instincts for attacking downhill improve, he will be a productive mike for the Hokies.
FR Carson Lydon (6-2, 239 pounds)
During the Virginia Tech Signing Day Live, Bud Foster said of early enrollee Carson Lydon, "He is a guy who will compete for a starting position at that spot (mike linebacker)." Lydon struggled a bit in spring practice (not surprising given the difference in the speed of the game). In the spring game working against the twos, Lydon demonstrated a natural instinct to get downhill just like Bud Foster loves to see his linebackers do. Here the Hokies second teamers run an inside zone. Lydon finds the bubble in the blocking between the defensive tackles, gets downhill, and meets Steven Peoples squarely right in the hole.
As a high school senior, Lydon looked very comfortable and instinctive attacking his gap reposnsibility, and he also is very comfortable dropping into zones.
"Carson Lydon is very improved. His key reads are much better. Much better than in the spring," Foster told Beamerball.com Tuesday.
As he gains experience, it will be very difficult to keep Lydon off the field, and his ability to run and tackle squarely will make him an asset on special teams immediately.
R-JR Dahman McKinnon (6-1, 275 according to HokieSports.com)
Last season, Dahman McKinnon was an important special teamer and backed up Williams and Motuapuaka at the mike linebacker spot. McKinnon also played whip and backer during his time in Blacksburg. McKinnon is a workout warrior and has run a 4.4, 40-yard dash.
After missing some time last season with two injuries (meniscus), McKinnon decided to leave the program in the winter, and as result he missed spring practice. It appears he has had a change of heart. Corey Marshall had a huge comeback season after a leave of absence.
"Dahman McKinnon was a bright spot for us. He was just very active and had good awareness," Foster said about McKinnon's scrimmage performance.
McKinnon will have to improve his productivity and prove to the coaching staff that they can trust that he wants to be part of the team before he can move beyond a special teams role. He has all the physical ability to be a very good player.
R-SO Sean Huelskamp (6-1, 207 pounds)
Sean Huelskamp joined the Hokies as an invited walk-on in 2013. Last season, Huelskamp earned an opportunity to travel and was a key contributor to the Hokies kickoff coverage team, including an open field tackle on the kick off following Marshawn Williams' first quarter touchdown run against Ohio State. Huelskamp tore his ACL against the Buckeyes and was limited in the spring. With attrition of athletic tacklers like C.J. Reavis and Melvin Keihn from special teams, Huelskamp will be counted on to contribute if he is healthy.

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None of these guys are named Mike..am I missing something? /s
Andrew Micheal Motuapuak, Carson Mike Lydon, Dahman M(i)cKinnon, Sean MichellHuelskamp
They all just roll off the tongue.
Well, wasn't expecting a "what are our options" analysis for this position. This concerns me that we have to ask the question (rover I understand, for example), but I suppose even though we've got experience returning, we really don't know what we've got until a full offseason of being "the guy" is in the books.
Also, I don't know if Mato missed the bubble on that second clip, so much as the entire OL disappeared to the right.
In the miami clip it almost seems like matuapuaka still has in his eyes in the backfield watching the QB for whatever reason while he carries out his fake. If he was more confident that it was in fact a run he would be more aggressive downhill.
Having more experience should help him play faster, and the faster he makes those reads the quicker he can get to crushing some RBs in the backfield!
Yeah, he certainly bit on the fake screen pass by the QB, but before that he was flowing defense-left. I think the point was he should've been attacking the LOS instead of flowing laterally with the RB.
There are other defenders to defense-left / play side who have those gaps covered, and in fact Williams even maintains leverage to the left despite being pushed downfield and eventually is the one who makes the tackle.
Agree with you. I think Moto's trust in the rest of the D is higher this year and that helps him not try to be everywhere in the middle at once, allowing him to read the play faster and as a result play downhill. Trust is a big deal in that decision making sequence. It matters a lot to resolve the issues pointed out in this thread.
I think Motuapuaka will play well this year. I know there is a lot of apprehension about the guy, but:
- It is his 3rd year in the program so he has gained experience
- He got some playing time last year
- There is plenty of film for him to study
- He has a hell of a DL in front of him
- Bud Foster is his coach
-He has a hell of a secondary behind him
Seriously, if there ever was a situation where the Mike didn't have to worry about doing it all himself, this is that situation. There's never going to be more than one hole for the TB, and any ball thrown over his head is an INT. With coaching and practice Moto should be able to focus on quick decision making and attacking like the Marines.
I am all in on the Marine reference
What quarter did Williams get hurt during Pitt? It was late right?
3rd Q if I remember correctly
Midway through the 3rd, yeah. 2nd drive for them I think.
Last year I thought Mota took too many wrong angles on running plays. A lot of times he'd shoot forward (mostly left) and he'd appear to be running right into the backs of his own linemen and the gap would be to the side of him and the running back would have a huge hole to run through. I know I saw this 5 or 6 time last year- the Miami game sticks out one for sure. Hopefully experience and some more coaching will change this. Although not as athletic, Chase Williams did a great job of keeping the play in front of him, not overcommitting, and not allowing for these types of holes to open up.
I remember noticing the same during the Boston College game from time to time.
My biggest gripe with Motuapuaka was that even in situations where he attacked the bubble correctly, way too often he would meet the runner then get carried 3-4 yards after contact. I want to see him be more physical and really drive people to the ground.
At least in the Spring Game clip, if you watch, he sits back just before contact almost on his heels and lets Trey hit him rather than leaning into the hit and laying the boom.
Getting the tackle stats, (as is the case with almost ALL stats, IMO) can be misleading.
"...meet the runner then get carried 3-4 yards after contact." Agree with that observation.
You get credit for a tackle, but...
And that run by Trey that French put up didn't ease any concern in that department. I don't like to be critical, because tackling a guy heads up, as opposed to an angle, is one of the hardest things to do on the football field. The back is SUPPOSED to win that battle and at least fall forward.
Still, if someone doesn't step up and stone the OSU RBs on a semi-regular basis, we will be seeing that over and over again, I think.
I don't remember it that way last yr....when he was there, he made the play without being dragged...not the case with Chase Williams...who was dragged by W&M's RBs.
Now, Chase was better downhill, but until Trey's run, I don't remember Motu bring run over or dragged
Agreed. He got dragged sometimes, but I don't recall him actually missing a tackle in a game.
I've said it before and I'll say it again. My concern, especially against OSU, is much more him playing his assignment and fitting his gap correctly than it is getting dragged a couple of yards. Missed assignments is how you get long TD runs.
It's a little bizarre how one play and a couple of articles from trusted sources creates perceptions about a player. It's not like Motuapuaka was getting juked out or trucked by every RB he played. He had/has his issues, but they're being misidentified ITT.
Wrote an article on this earlier this offseason after rewatching literally every snap Motuapuaka played last season. He definitely struggled with giving up yards after contact, he has a tendency to wrap up and fall down rather than run through the tackle.
http://www.thekeyplay.com/virginia-tech-football/2015/04/9078/look-back-...
He is an instinctive player with good physical attributes and I think he'll play fine this year, but if the light goes on and he starts making TFLs instead of just tackles he could be a special player.
Someone get him an extension cord!
I read the article, hence my reference to articles from trusted sources. And I have no issues with the articles, I agree that his hesitation in the hole is what separates him from being fine versus being a special player. However, these criticisms, along with his other struggles and spring game, have created a perception that he was missing tackles left and right and getting trucked, which wasn't really the case. Heck, Chris Coleman from TSL had an interview where he intimated that Motuapuaka essentially couldn't tackle Duke's running backs, which is baffling.
Also, I still think that his hesitation isn't nearly as big an issue as his gap fits. It's the difference between 4 yards and a 40-yard TD. I'm not particularly worried about what Elliot will do matched up against Moto in the hole- I'm worried Moto won't even be in the hole.
I wholeheartedly agree that Moto attacking the wrong hole (or even the wrong shoulder of a blocker) is the difference between winning and losing a close game. I agree that when teams broke long runs against Moto at Mike last year it wasn't because he was missing tackles, it was because of gap fits. However, I do think you can expect his consistency to improve this year. He was a freshman last year and I think the reps he got throughout spring and summer will only help him.
What worries me more in the long run is the lack of stopping power. In my opinion that is a harder issue to resolve than gap fits for Moto, if only because we've seen plenty of examples of Moto actually be in the right spot at the right time.
Okay, I could see that being the case. I think the problem on both fronts was likely inexperience, so hopefully with more reps he can get both fixed.
And I, for one, will try to calm my confirmation bias this season. I'm going to try to pay attention to every good play Motuapuaka makes, and not freak out when he misses one.
Hopefully the experience brings confidence to attack the hole and not wait to make sure it is the right hole. If he is attacking, he may drive through the ball carrier instead of catching him.
6-1 275 and 4.4 40? GET THAT BOY ON THE FIELD!
Excellent Analysis as always French, I am glad for your honesty because this is the position I have been most concerned about.
Well, you see, the 275 part is from this summer, and the 4.4 part is from spring 2014.
I think the only way I could move at 4.4 speed would be in my car....and that might be pushing it.
Silly, you are supposed to drive the car, not push it.
If you can push a car that fast, I want you on my football team.
Sam Rogers is already on the team.
What are you driving, a Model T?
The hard part is getting it to stop at the bottom of the hill.
still trying to wrap my head around this. For comparison purposes, I present to you my high school track self in peak shape:
6'-1", 140 lbs, 4.4 40. That's right, half the weight of this guy.
I can't even fathom how much it would hurt to get hit by him at full speed. Physics says I would go back at twice his speed (discounting, well, everything that's hard to calculate). My gut says I'd just die on impact.
I'm sorry did you say 6'1 and 140?
Hope he's had a few sammiches since HS.
late bloomer I guess. That was my fastest. Topped out around 165lb, but haven't been anywhere close to a 4.4 since I was that light.
Just to throw this out there, my freshman roommate at tech was the same height and 105 lbs. Made me feel downright husky
6'1" 105? That couldn't have been healthy. I hope he's had some sammiches since as well.
I was 6'4" 135lbs in high school. Ran cross country like a gazelle and could count my ribs just standing still. I worked at Burger King and was probably downing 6,000 calories a day. Once I graduated I was able to put on a freshman 15 to get to 150 while at tech and have managed 192 at my peak.
We can all agree to "hate" this guy right? As soon as I left football I put on 30 lbs and having kids and working firehouse shifts has only added to it.
Yeah, I have put on a few lbs since leaving the Army. I'll just leave it at that.
I found an old picture of him actually
275 lbs? His gut says you'd die on impact.
McKinnon does not weigh 275. He hit the gym hard during his time away from the team and bulked up, but he didn't add 50lb. I would estimate he weighs around 230.
edit: his weight on hokiesports.com has been updated to 225lb
My biggest concern coming into this year on defense was Motu. This made me feel a little better. Hopefully if needed Lydon can step in and bust some heads.
As a reference for how our run defense was with/without Chase. In parenthesis is the difference from their regular season average.
Ohio State: 108 yards (-60%) 2.7 ycp (-53%)
ECU: 75 yards (-54%) 3 ypc (-38%)
GT: 250 yards (-27%) 5.7 ypc (-7%)
UNC: 125 yards (-18%) 4.3 ypc (+8%)
Moto becomes full time starter
Miami: 364 yards (+102%!!!) 6.9 ypc (+30%)
BC: 258 yards (+1%) 5.5 ypc (+6%)
Duke: 141 yards (-22%) 3.4 ypc (-29%)
WF: 74 yards (+85%) 1.8 ypc (+38%)
Williams back
UVA: 38 yards (-72%) 1.1 ypc (-70%)
A few points:
1. Its difficult to tell how Moto truly affected the performance, as his playing time coincided directly with the power run teams, who we don't match well with anyway.
2. I left out Pitt because I could not get a split by quarters when Moto would have played, but we did actually hold them under their season averages for both stats.
3. We gave up 74 yards to a WF team that averaged under 40. I'm just stunned a P5 program can do that.
4. The numbers themselves are pretty clear. With chase, always kept them under average. With Moto, over average in 3/4 games
wow.
Good stats, and an interesting breakdown. The other caveat is that we also lost Luther Maddy after the GT game, so his absence was certainly felt for a while.
^^ this...we had Motu & Ricky Walker in at DT vs Miami
Can't believe Wake averaged under 40 yds rushing per game.... and we lost that one.... ouch.
I'm hopeful of this position, but wary. This position needs to be one of our strongest, and as we sit on Aug 19, it looks like a liability. It seems, in the past, that we have been able to just insert the next man up, and that's been enough. Much like an owl hunts, this position demands instinct, decisiveness, quickness. Let's hope above all else, Andrew finds himself in the right gap. I trust he'll make the play, if he reacts correctly. If not, OSU's Elliot will have a field day.
You can say that again, Elliott may seek out Motu. Guy seems a little too timid at times.
Shoot the gap!!
Hoping Motu can harness is inner Bud Foster and deliver some pain this year.
A couple of notes (this was authored after the original roster was posted but before practice started)
1) I still think McKinnon being 275 is a typo. He looks like he is playing around 235-240.
2) McKinnon has been working at backer so far this fall, however he has experience at mike.
3) Huelskamp has been working as the #2 mike linebacker ahead of Lydon so far. I didn't have any film on him other than his kickoff coverage against Ohio State. It sounds like Bud is very high on him.
I noted above that McKinnon is now listed at 225lb
Huelskamp looks like a good player, but at 207 lbs, seems a bit light for the duty.
If it is apparent early in game that Moto is having trouble, are they willing to make a switch, and will Sean or Carson be ready to go (by that I mean have the ability to take on Zeke head-to-head) ?
LB play is definitely the biggest concern for us on defense. If RBs or mobile QBs manage to make it through our line I'm worried about our LBs making the play before the rest of the secondary gets to the ball carrier and teams nickel and diming runs down the field on us. I hope he proves us wrong, but I see Motuapuaka as a big liability.
I don't think I doubt Motuapuaka's ability. I think it is comfort in the scheme. In a Jimmy Johnson 4-3, I think he would be A-OK. Bud's system is counter-intuitive for kids whose primary strength is scraping and finding the football, which is why kids who "figure it out" at the mike spot, like Vince Hall and Jack Tyler, are so spectacular in Blacksburg, but may not translate well to NFL defenses.
Of all the guys, Lydon has the most upside... however as a freshman, getting lined up and reading those keys correctly could still be challenges. Usually, R-Soph year is when guys matriculate to the into the starting role. I can't remember a freshman or a redshirt freshman starting at mike since Vince Hall started most of the year as a R-Fr back in the 2004 season. Tyler started the Orange Bowl as a R-Fr. Otherwise I am drawing a blank.
I don't doubt that he has the ability either, but he definitely has to "figure out" mike LB like you said. He just needs to learn to attack the ball and not wait on contact. As has been said all over this thread, he makes the tackles, but it's the yards after contact that is worrisome.
My biggest concern with Motu is that he always seems to tackle high. For example, in the video against Trey, when he faces him straight up (bad that he's facing him straight up anyway), he doesnt break down and tackle low. He stays upright and tries to bring him down from the shoulders. No way he'll be able to tackle any D1 RB that way.
I'm in total agreement with you on this. He's VERY flat-footed, which most any D1 RB will eat alive, especially Ezekiel Elliot. My fear is, Elliot is gonna be looking for this match-up, and win it >50% of the time. Could be bad news for us...
If you've noticed that, I've got to believe that Foster has noticed it, too.
I agree with French on this. It's a comfort/confidence thing.
Mike is a leadership position, and if you don't go into it confidently, you're just a little too quiet, and possibly out of place and off-balance.
I would expect some growth this year, as he was thrown into the deep end a bit before he was ready last year. With any luck, he'll develop quickly, but it won't surprise me if he gets tested early and often by Ohio State.
Great stuff. I have been waiting for this analysis.
I'm curious if French could design the perfect Mike LB for Foster's defense, what would he look like/ be? (and/or what former Mike or other teams' player would fit the prototype the best?)
Jack Tyler running a 4.4 weighing 255?
Vince Hall in Jake Houseright's body. Jake could have been the best guy they have had if he had been healthy. He was rotating in with senior Michael Hawkes (who was very good) during his R-FR year (1999.) He was a good player with a wrecked knee.
Hall was perfect at getting into those interior bubbles and putting guys on the ground. He was fantastic. Tyler was very good. Bruce Taylor was the best pass rusher from that spot.
Really? The opportunity to design the perfect LB and no laser eyes? No fire breathing, the ability to fly? Superhuman strength?
Seems like a missed opportunity.
Did you miss where he said "Vince Hall"?
Houseright's Gator Bowl injury was a shame. He was really playing well.
V Hall was just so natural - seemed cut out of stone and "had a heavy shoulder" - was also gifted at putting them on the ground. AM seems quick but a little inefficient and indecisive, and he doesn't seem to have the art of squeezing through the cracks in the line to get the TFL - hopefully that changes. It also shouldn't go unnoticed just how huge Miami's line was and how they dominated us between the tackles - kind of scary actually.
I tried to pay him $20 at a party to spear my friend. He was a good dude, too.
so he speared him for free?
I believe the direct quote was something like: "I ain't trying to kill nobody, man."
Jake didn't redshirt. He played as a true freshman in 1998, mostly as a backup fullback.
Is that the guy who couldn't cover Sam Rogers in the flat?
Touche, but that was a lifetime ago (or at least a year). He was also a true freshman last year so there's that. I think you'll see that he's much improved since the 2 teams met last time.
Rogers is a Fullback.
He couldn't cover a fullback.
It's not like he was asked to cover someone really fast or really agile or a lifetime wiggly WR. It was a true sophomore FB. Only the second year in his life he ever played fullback.
I just wanted an excuse to use the Flair meme. Thank you!
A WALK-ON true sophmore fullback...
Sam Rogers is as valuable as anyone on our offense. That we got an athlete like Sam Rogers to walk-on is a tribute to VT, NOT a statement about SR. He "might" be our offensive MVP. No shame in getting housed by Sam IMO
Sam Rogers was a walk on true sophomore so much for that excuse
Oops didn't see earlier comment
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I had my WTF moments with MOTO last year (Pitt). I am concerned here and I am hoping that he has a "oh that is how it is done" moment and then gets it. If not bring on the Lydon or Mc Kinnon. So if it ain't happening on the 7th does Bud make the change?
You beat me to the same question (I asked above before I read yours).
I think what is key is that the coaches have the same spring game footage that we have, maybe better stuff, and have four weeks to remind him how to tackle and go downhill (and Sean & Carson have four weeks to push).
I am worried about Moto physical ability. From day one I thought he was a step slow. Maybe his tentativeness also springs from a lack of confidence and fear of being burned. You need an animal at MLB who attacks the play, his mindset is more of a safety in just don't let the RB get past instead of stepping up and delivering a blow. It wouldn't surprise me to see Lydon playing soon.
I really think AM had big eyes (as Bud is fond of saying) last year. Things should slow down for him done. If he watched the Duke Johndon show, he will be adequately motivated.
So now that we are into the season, I have two questions:
1. Did anyone notice if Motu was showing the same tendencies in the OSU game?
2. How do our options stack up now, with Motu out? Huelskamp seems to have vaulted the other two.
What do you mean, Motu "out?"
#rumors say 2-4 wks.
But we have no #sauces so like salt through the shakerholes, these are the grains of our lives.
WTF, they just said it wasn't serious.
I'm losing faith in the medical staff. There is less and less transparency these days, which is fine. They could go a lot more HIPA on us if they wanted to. But don't tell me something isn't an issue then say its an issue. Or don't release 4-6 weeks then say 8-10 weeks the next day.
Beamer referred those asking questions regarding Motu to the team training staff today. Someone came on here and said it'd be 2-4 weeks, but no sources. So who knows what the situation is.
Brewer said 4-6 weeks, the medical staff said 8.
Define serious. 2 weeks I would say is not serious. A torn ACL would be serious.
The only release from the training or medical staff was Mike saying "It shouldn't amount to much" which could mean he is fine or a week or 2. It is hard to say how long a guy will be out the day he injures it.
When I hear "not serious" about an injury, I am not expecting missed time.
Like I said. It's not a sauce, not even a marinade, it's just rumor and no official word so.....
It may be worth every penny it cost.
And there's the official word...
In heavy knee brace today, walking with heavy limp. He's out 2-4. Was a cut block from the side. Let me tell you, that is one great kid. What an attitude.