Mike Barber of the Richmond Times-Dispatch reported Tuesday afternoon that Hokies' quarterback Michael Brewer might be well enough to play against North Carolina State. Brewer was knocked out of the Ohio State game with a fractured left collarbone.
Virginia Tech quarterback Michael Brewer is "progressing well" after surgery and could be back on the field as early as the Hokies' Friday night game against North Carolina State on Oct. 9.
"Michael is exactly two weeks post surgery and is progressing well," Hokies trainer Mike Goforth said through a school spokesman. "He is throwing and doing footwork drills and is staying active in the film room, weight room and training room. He displays a great attitude and work ethic and hopefully he will stay on target to return in 4-8 weeks from his original date of injury on Sept. 7."
After the injury occurred, Goforth said Brewer would be out, "four to six, maybe as many as eight weeks."
Once Brewer is cleared, it is unknown if he will regain his starting spot. Backup Brenden Motley has performed well in Brewer's absence.
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Great news! Let the competition begin!
Michael Brewer healing like
I'll be honest. I am not looking forward to the dilemma we will have on our hands if Motley goes out and wins against ECU and Pitt.
#firstworldproblems
I just want to win this week. Get better.
More like #OSUproblems
Isn't it funny that we had one QB and anOSU potentially had 3 but now they can't make up who is the better QB and we are about to be in the same boat
Seriously. ALL SUMMER the talk was about how many phenomenal qb options OSU had (not that they don't..just not playing up to par) and now they're in this conundrum of who will start because of poor play. Unreal
I think that Cardale has gone from Zone6 to ZonePix! #2 interceptions, #bench
seriously should start the #bench
I've already tweeted him on a couple of occasions saying #ZoneBench
No dilemma. They were splitting time already. Brewer can take as many or few snaps as needed.
agreed. I say we use em both. I think that now we could be in a great place. Added depth and experience and we can dive into the game planning that Loeffler had spent a year on. Now Motley is a clear threat in the passing game as well which is fantastic.
Loeffler won't have to game plan anything complicated now that he has the offense running under two starters (or so it seems). Easy for us, still tough to defend.
I'd still like to see Motley have some success against a more formidable D. But this progression is working well towards the meat of the schedule.
I think now Motley is seen as a running threat and a potential deep ball threat that Brewer isn't. I think the change of pace/style QB would really work now as long as he's used as more than just running. I say when he comes back put him in and run one line up, line up for play action and then start dropping bombs on em.
I really don't think there will be a delimma. You start Brewer and play Motley as change of pace QB, no debate. Here's why. When you look at the best athletes on VT's offense, it goes something like:
1. Hodges
2. Ford
3. Rogers
4. Malleck
5. Phillips
6. McMillian
7. Edmunds / Coleman
8. Motley / Brewer
My point - You want to get the ball into the hands of the best athletes on the team. Throwing ability aside (that 60 yard throw was incredible), I don't see Motley as a better athlete as any top 6. Brewer is more adept to get the ball in the hands of the athletes, which will lead to more big plays in the offense.
Case in point - Brewer's touch and timing of throws to receivers is much better from what I've seen, thus, he get's the ball to said play-makers much more easily. Also, Brewer seems to have better pocket awareness and skill reading defenses, which are very hard to teach. Motley does have more x-factor in his mobility and deep ball, but that's only enough to earn him a couple series per game to spell Brewer.
in one of the other write ups it talks about how motley gets the balls to the WRs or playmakers on a zip allowing them to catch and make a move were brewer gets them the ball the defender has time to break because of the velocity of the pass and make the tackle right away. so while brewer has better completion percentages because of his knowledge and quick throws I think motley is by far the bigger threat for big plays.
YES! This is exactly what I noticed with Brewer last year. The split second longer it takes for the ball to get there, gives the defender a split second longer to come and make an immediate tackle.
I disagree with that assessment. Motley has the stronger arm, but he has erratic placement, forcing the receiver to adjust. It has seemed, since Springball, Fall Camp and 1st half of OSU game, Brewer not only knew where to throw the ball, but he gets the ball out really quick, and puts the ball on point so the receiver can make a play and get down field. Quickness and ball location are key to getting the athletes a chance to breaking long plays and scoring TDs.
It's two different styles of QBs, but I would personally prefer Aaron Rodgers over Brett Favre., or Tom Brady over Drew Bledsoe.
There weren't a lot of long plays last year.
There was no running game last year, so it was much easier for secondaries to keep the play in front of them.
Oddly enough, the biggest reason that there is more of a big play threat this year may very well be the improved offensive line.
Motley is certainly less consistent than Brewer, but it's not like he is a poor man's Tim Tebow. He has had more than a few throws the past two weeks where he fit the ball into windows Brewer never would have. Brewer releases the ball quicker, is more accurate, and has a better understanding of who to throw to... but Motley definitely is the better choice when pushing the ball downfield.
Which is helpful because he's going to put you in more 3rd and long's than Brewer will.
I'm not sure I completely agree with your last statement. Motley's arm certainly does stretch the field but I have more confidence in Brewer picking up the 3rd and long from what I've seen this year with his decision making and timing (he proved this numerous times against OSU last year). Motley seems to be a hair slow with timing and his accuracy (while not bad) is just not as good as Brewer's. That of course depends on how you define 3rd and long. If its 3rd and bomb (20+ yards), Motley clearly gets the ball into that window downfield much better.
That said, I hope Motley proves me wrong and continues to get better over the next 8 quarters.
Edit: I might have misread your statement. Are you saying Motley puts us in 3rd and long situations or gets us out of 3rd and long? If the latter, see above.
why does brewer get so much credit for the OSU game and then gets treated like that was the only game he played in. he played lights out that game ill give it to him. but he threw 3 picks. one of his 3rd downs (the one to rogers on the sideline) was a horrendous decision that worked out and there were a few others that very easily could have gone the other way as well in that game and its not like he kept up the 3rd down % all season. our 3rd down % was actually pretty bad In some games. im not trying to knock brewer. im pretty confident in both our QBs right now which is a good feeling to have. I just think motley is just as apt to get a 3rd and long as brewer though. if you play man and he breaks past the initial wave of LBs and DL he can run for a 1st and if you play zone he has the arm strength to beat you over the top of squeeze it in a tight window. what he could learn from brew is touch. but I motley is still learning and I think his upside for the remainder of the season is much larger and honestly I think he could beat out Lawson next year. I know everyone is SUPER high on Lawson but I for one am impressed by what motley has done the last 2 games and hope he continues to build on that.
Because it has been stated as fact that after that game, he was not himself physically and played through injury the rest of the year. Not saying the losses were all his fault but we were already playing teams close last year. A couple of misjudged throws from a hurt QB turned the tide against us more often than not. And before you ask, no I don't think Motley at that point last year would have been a better choice.
Say what you want about him but he was sharp Monday night until he went down in the 3rd quarter.
He wasn't just sharp, he was lethal. Flirting with a 70% completion percentage, on pace to pass for 270 yards and 3 or 4 touchdowns.
I don't think he would have been able to keep that pace up. I sure hope so but realistically I don't think he would have. its all conjure at this point though.
and now its a stated fact that he is again banged up. and he threw 3 picks in the OSU game last year. im not blaming him for wins or losses. im simply talking about his individual play vs motleys. I don't think motley was ready last year. I think brewer was the best candidate for the job last year hands down. but I don't think that's really saying a lot (last year) this year I liked the way brewer played and felt good about him going into the season but motley has answered the bell and is bringing things to the table that brewer cannot and at this point I think it should be motleys job to lose not brewers just because he comes back.
Motley is more likely to put you in a third and long because of he's less consistently accurate than Brewer. However, if I needed to complete some passes down the field, I would prefer Motley in at quarterback because of his arm strength.
I agree with that. I also can see how he would be the best choice to get us out of third and long. Kind of ironic. But I think from what I've seen this year (considering the level of competition), I still would pick a healthy Brewer over a healthy Motley for majority of the game. Sure, put Motley in for a series or a couple downs when you want to try and stretch the field or run the read-option. Those are very different things to defend and we know from the Tyrod days they can create huge yardage plays. It also helps keep the defense honest knowing now that Motley can make all the other throws. Brewer is just, as you said, more consistently accurate.
Like I've said, I really hope the next two games change my judgement of Motley. Right now its more based on the level of his competition than his stats.
Brewer is not accurate. At. All. Go back and watch the OSU game. the drive where we missed the FG he threw behind Malleck, made a bad read on a short throw for no gain to TM, and then completely missed what would have been a big play to a wide open Hodges at the end of the drive. Nearly the whole 1st half he was throwing floaters that were behind the intended receiver.
On the Rogers and Malleck TDs there wasn't a soul near either player. Both had to make acrobatic plays to catch the ball. Motley gets the ball out with zip and it may sail from time to time but it's not usually behind the receiver.
Your definition of acrobatic must be different than mine.
Malleck is wide open for an easy six: http://espn.go.com/video/clip?id=13605854
He hits Rogers in stride and Sam does the rest: http://espn.go.com/video/clip?id=espn:13605610
The most important thing to note about those two plays is the check-down process. Brewer is just so good at knowing where his next receiver is.
That Rogers TD is case in point. If Rogers has to adjust because the ball is high, low, too far in front or behind, there is absolutely no way he would be able to score. It's there mere fact that he caught the ball in near stride that allowed him to get downfield so fast and into the endzone.
Malleck was lucky not to hurt himself, he really had to work to make that catch!
Sooooooo...your entire argument is predicated on one drive?
68.8% completion rating, on pace to throw for 270 yards and 3 TDs, brah.
If you want some perspective on how "easy" the Malleck TD throw is, do this...
Go in your back yard set up an empty 55 gallon trash can.
Starting from the trash can walk off 20 yds, then turn left and walk about 10-15 yds.
Take a football, look away from the trash can, count 1 Mississippi, then turn back towards the trashcan, and drop the football in it.
That's basically the Malleck TD toss. Of course we're not even taking the crowd noise, and the defense bearing down on you into account.
His point was that Malleck didn't make that play, which IMO just supports the Brewer is good, Mr Troll (the troll obviously), argument they were having.
brewer was playing lights out! the only throws he missed IMO in that game were the deep balls to ford (one was called back) were both underthrown and the one behind bucky. but NO qb is perfect. he couldn't have played much better in the 1st half of that game. but I need more than a good 1/2 of football based on last years performance and how well most of us say he played against OSU vs how the season played out. I know he made strides in the off season and things like that. I don't dislike brewer as a QB and think he could lead us and its a tight race but IMO if motley keeps up his play it should not matter when brewer comes back. no trolling or anything of that nature, just giving my opinion on our QB situation going forward.
I agree with vthokies904. I appreciate brewer for his knowledge on the passing game. Tough heady player props to the guy. Although im all aboard the Motley train. Motley makes our offense very tough to gameplan for. Defenses have to respect his ablities,therefore open up opportunities for our playmakers.
It's also nice that once Brewer returns opposing teams will likely have to gameplan for 2 different QBs
No he doesn't on either account. Brewer gets hit more than any other VT QB since Glennon. He prides himself in standing tall and taking the hit. That's one reason he gets hurt so much.
He's also not accurate. At. All. Go back and watch the OSU game. the drive where we missed the FG he threw behind Malleck, made a bad read on a short throw for no gain to TM, and then completely missed what would have been a big play to a wide open Hodges at the end of the drive. Nearly the whole 1st half he was throwing floaters that were behind the intended receiver.
On the Rogers and Malleck TDs there wasn't a soul near either player. Both had to make acrobatic plays to catch the ball. Motley gets the ball out with zip and it may sail from time to time but it's not usually behind the receiver.
You typed the same thing twice, saying it twice as often does not make it twice as true or in this case true at all.
Downvote for repeating a blatantly false statement. I'll let you say something obviously stupid and wrong once, then I'll do my part to shut you up before the stupidity spreads. 70% completions is not "not accurate"...and Judging the guy by the first half alone isn't fair, his lifetime stats bear out the fact that he's a solid QB. You should stop that before you decide that guy jumping off the cliff with a parachute is setting a good example and do it yourself before seeing the 'chute open and realizing you're wrong....so very very wrong.
but on the flip-side, the read option, veer, qb draw, etc. are actually threats when Motley is in the game and that opens up running lanes better and makes play action a bit trickier. I don't know what the answer is but if VT offense keeps on scoring at such an unprecedented pace, I feel like you ride the hot hand.
I don't think alternating QBs is a great thing. One thing I did like was when Louisville had good QBs they'd let the backup (Simms as a freshman, I think) play the 2nd quarter no matter what. To me that's a pretty sharp way of doing it because it allows both QBs to go out there and play and not worry about whether they are going in on the next play/drive.
Totally agree. Love Brewer but he is not the threat Motley is running the ball. If Motley can avoid turning the ball over (int's) then I see him as an upgrade to Brewer even if he can't run the whole playbook. AND, I'm OK with a fraction of the playbook if positive yards are the result!
not to mention blocking improves when you're running a limited playbook because you spend more time practicing that playbook.
Motley is more of a threat to run the ball than Brewer, but he wouldn't scare me if I was a defensive coordinator. Motley is averaging about 5 yards a carry (sacks removed) and has broken off 17 and 20 yard runs, but I just do not get that sense that he is dangerous in the open field, like Tyrod, LT3, or MV7 or 5. I do get that sense with Ford, Hodges, Mcmillian, and Rogers. I don't know though, maybe he's deceptively athletic runner. I hope he wows me. That would be great to see him break the ankles of some Pirates this week.
Did you see him in the spring scrimmages?
I saw him rip off multiple 50 yard touchdown runs, all while wearing a yellow jersey.
Honestly, no I didn't see the spring scrimmage. Only the clips you guys provided. But, to be fair, we are talking about the all-or-nothing gambling defense that has given up rushing TDs of 80, 53, and 60 yards this season alone.
If you see that LT3, Tyrod, or Vick athletic ability, that's awesome, and I hope you're right. I don't see it yet. At least, not on a formidable level that would scare a defense.
Excuse me, I'm still mad about that holding non-call. The 80 (85 actually) yard run doesn't count except in OSU fans' minds.
Motley is more of a big play threat than Logan, but less powerful.
Motley is less of a big play threat than Vick or Tyrod, but more powerful.
Motley is dangerous enough to force defenses to account for him which opens up things in Loeffler's spread rushing attack for his running backs. The same definitely can't be said for Brewer. I agree with you that a healthy Brewer is definitely the starter over Motley, but there is no doubt (in my mind) that Motley does make things easier on his teammates just by being more mobile. Brewer makes things easier by knowing where to go with the football and getting the football there accurately.
Motley's mobility makes things easier for certain one's of his teammates, Oline and RBs. It also makes it more difficult for all of the receivers, whatever position they play, they have to run further, get more seperation, adjust more, defend bad throws more, run longer (he scrables more and more capable at it)...Personally, I like helping the running game out, but I also think teams know we want to run, we'll improve in the running game by throwing outside quickly more, just because it spreads the LBs and safeties out and draws to the line of scrimmage. Our running game problem, in my opinion is that we try to run outside so much, fake the draw and quick pass outside...that's how you freeze the MLB, giving the running game a chance to burst straight ahead for 8 yards a pop, and leaving only the safety to beat for the homerun...we do this some, but Motley's touch isn't near the level as Brewer's.
Motley's mobility makes all of his teammates jobs easier (makes them more likely to win their one on one matchups) but his inaccuracy (relative to Brewer) make it harder for the offense as a whole to sustain a short passing game.
hes no tyrod or M7 but LT3 wasn't really shaking anyone in the open field just trucking them which while looks and sounds good usually results in getting tackled shortly after. logan had the 70yrd against the U and other than that I cant think of many other 30+ runs by the L train. I think motley will have more 30+ runs before the end of this season than LT had in career. and that was running zone read with DMFW!
I think Motley might be higher on that list, from an athletic perspective. But it is a good point.
I agree, Brewer with Mot as change of pace, but Mot will get much more work than in the past. I think Lefty will really look at what the defenses are giving him, and put in the QB that can take advantage of it the most. Obviously this will lead to him making some bad calls, but it could make for some really good ones too. I see it as a big plus, more the defense has to prepare for. If Lefty can find the right balance, it could turn out to be a really special year.
But first this is first, get through ECU and Pitt with Mot under center.
Didn't we do this with Motley in the first half or so against Charlottesville HS last year until Motley got a concussion? I feel like I remember it being a really productive attack.
Motley is as good an athlete as most of those players. For his size, his speed, and his position? His running ability and arm strength are excellent. It's just his accuracy and experience in a drop back passing offense. I'd rank Malleck much lower, he's a good player but not a great athlete.
It's definitely debatable. You may be right about Malleck, but I do think he has the best hands on the team.
I agree Malleck has great hands but also think were he lighter his athleticism would be more readily apparent. That is not to say he would be better than most of the others. Tight ends need the weight and he's balancing the size and athleticism thing fairly well. I just wish they would target him more. Think it would help the other receivers.
I couldn't disagree more. First of all, Motley is a better athlete than Brewer, no question there. I also think that an athletic QB is more valuable than an athletic RB/WR/FB etc. With Brewer, we need him to put the ball in the hands of a playmakers. With Motley, it is already in the hands of a playmaker.
At this point though, Brewer still seems to do a better job of quickly getting the ball into the hands of one of our many other playmakers where they can do some damage. If Motely can't do that, then the comparison isn't "non-playmaker vs. playmaker", it's one playmaker versus several.
That is exactly the kind of problem we want to have.
Really? I would love that dilemma.
Don't rush him back just for the sake of rushing him back. Motley's been more than serviceable in his absence.
We've only played Furman and Purdue with him so far. I'm still a bit skeptical about how he'll perform against tougher ACC competition.
To be clear, I'm not saying Brewer shouldn't be the starter, but I realllly don't want to chance injuring him further by bringing him back after 4 weeks from an injury that usually sidelines people 6-8.
Meanwhile, let's flood the media with reports that Brewer is feeling great and working hard. No sense making their game planning any easier.
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While Motley has played well, let's not forget he's had multiple passes that SHOULD have been intercepted. At least 3 between the Furman and Purdue games. The defenders just simply dropped them. Had they actually been intercepted the perception of Motley and the outcome of those games could be drastically different. So while Motley has played "well" Brewer is still the clear cut starter imo and will take his spot back once he's 100% healthy. But I agree with BetaEta576, we should not rush him back if he's not 100% healthy.
I'm sure Brewer has had his fair share of passes that "should" have been intercepted.
Michael Brewer threw 15 picks last year. Just sayin
True, but only 3 in the last 6 games. We've talked on this site about the strides he made from the first 6 games to the last 6. As well as the strides he made this off season. I'm comparing the Brewer I saw against OSU to the Motley I'm seeing now, not the Brewer from last year.
If he is able to pick up where he left off against OSU, we could have something special for the rest of the season given that he's posted the highest QBR for active or inactive QBs. But you have to imagine he'll be a little slow, if not, timid for a little while trying to avoid any contact that could lead to re-injury. I think his mind and throwing motions will be just as sharp but we may not have the same gut-check Brewer willing to throw his body into harm's way for at least a few games.
I think when he's clear, he plays. We go back to the original plan for the season with slightly more Motley sprinkled in for the deep threat or just to spell Brewer's rust cleaning.
Right but you're comparing the end of his season with the first 2 starts ever for Motley. Motley will improve also with practice reps and game experience
I'm sure he will, but we're talking about now. Right now, Brewer is a better QB than Motley.
Disagree, right now Brewer is hurt. In addition, no one can say how this injury will affect him physically or mentality. He could curl up every time he thinks he is going to get hit to try and protect that collar bone.
Prime recent example of a QB dramatically changing after injury, RG3. Once that leg got hurt, he was never the same. I know these are different body parts, but some of RG3s inability was mind too.
So, until Brewer goes full speed and shows he is better than Motley and Lawson (yeah, he is 3rd at the moment in my eyes) he is not the best QB.
Can't go by what he did in the past, when not active in the present, and debating the future.
Tearing a knee or breaking a leg is way different than breaking a collar bone IMO. He won't be constantly worried about putting strain on the bone because it isn't directly related to his job as a QB (ie cuts running the ball on a knee or ankle or throwing with shoulder). But I do agree we don't know how he will react anytime a potential hit bears down on him, however, I think he's still the same hard-nosed Brewer.
This is the point of being on a fan website...
I agree and think the only potential problem is that if he feels pressure, his decision making might be different because he subconsciously wants to avoid taking a big hit.
Which is what makes a good QB. NFL coaches like to see a QB making smart choices with the football that also protect their bodies. A franchise QB is a huge investment. Not saying Brewer is NFL quality, just that its not a bad thing for him to think about protecting himself when a play breaks down.
Last year has nothing to do with this.
Bad OL, freshman WRs, no running game, and a QB that was trying to figure out the offense.
This year is completely different.
So that means we can finally say Logan Thomas' last two seasons were fluky because of his TERRIBLE OL, young-inexperienced WRs, no running game and he was figuring out a new offense? Finally
...and Motley still couldn't win the starting job, I'm not sure he will this year either. But it would be nice to have 2 competent starters with the injury problems we've had the past couple of years
Brewer was demonstrably the better QB of the two last season in fall camp and in games, in spring practice this year, in fall camp this year and against OSU. So basically he was the better QB in virtually every comparable situation.
Just sayin'...
I think our best option, once Brewer is 100%, is to run both guys. I know a lot of people think that messes with the flow, but I think Motley's proven he's worth playing more than just on predictable gimmick plays. Once Brewer can get back in action, put Motley out there on some 3rd and manageables so that we have the option to run the option (no pun intended) on those downs without opening Brewer up to hits that could sideline him further
Is that Furman game outcome really going to be drastically different?
I'll give you Purdue being closer because it was a one score game at half, but Furman?
We didnt exactly play well in the first half of that game. The near interceptions were on our side of the field, even if our defense stopped them on a 3 and out both times, its not unrealistic to think furman makes both those field goals. All of a sudden Furman finds themselves up 6-0 against an FBS opponent and starts to believe that they can win. No matter how outclassed a team is it's always bad news when they start to truly believe.
Take an extra week to heal and knock off the rust and come back for Miami or BC. I don't think it will take much to beat NC State, despite the hype.
We'll have a better idea of them next weekend. @ Pizzaville
Brissett looks like the type of QB that will run for 125 against us.
The thing that concerns me about NCST is the short week.
IDK, They went to Norfolk and jacked up a pretty good ODU team at night.
yeah maybe, but their schedule to date has been pretty laughable. Louisville has looked listless so far this season as well so I'm starting to think NC State is going to be 5-0 when they play us without having really played anyone difficult. I think they're going to think they are better than they are and not take us as seriously as they should
Idk about Louisville being Listless. They lost to a Houston team that I'm not sure how good is sure, but they also played Auburn and Clemson...losing to Auburn by a touchdown and Clemson by 3 points. I watched them play Clemson and they looked fine. I think their record is not a good indicator of how good they are. So basically just like NC State but in the opposite way
the same auburn team that almost lost to FCS Jacksonville State and had their doors blown off by LSU (granted, LSU is legit). Don't look now, but VT scored almost as many points against Purdue as Auburn has ALL SEASON!!! I don't think Auburn is that good this year. I wouldn't be surprised at all if they missed out on bowl season. The Clemson game was a sloppy game on both sides. IMO, Clemson left a lot of points on the field and it was a night game @ Louisville so the hype was up. That was absolutely a must-win game for Louisville and they couldn't do it despite the fact Clemson couldn't get out of their own way. It's going to be tough for Louisville to gather up the pieces after a 1-3 start (assuming, of course, that they do actually beat samford) and I think they're going to get torched in Raleigh
I gotta agree. I don't think Louisville is a world beater - particularly offensively - but I wouldn't write them off just yet as another crappy 0-3 team either.
I agree, I think Louisville has been playing down to the level of their competition. Definitely think they're better than their 0-3 record indicates.
This. Louisville is the quintessential 'playing to the level of your competition' right now. Auburn isn't good, Clemson who even knows, Houston isn't Boise or even a high level ECU or UCF. Louisville is better than their record indicates, but they're going through growing pains this year. They don't know how to win.
If NC State takes care of Louisville, watch out. They will be hyped up and feelin' good down there in Raleigh.
I think NC State will take care of Louisville, and they'll look good doing it. They'll definitely be hyped up but I just don't think that by the time they come to Blacksburg on a Friday night they will have played anybody close to as tough as we'll be for that game. VT will be motivated and amped up in their own right and I think NC State will be overconfident. They won't know what to do with themselves when they get into an early hole.
ODU, in their short existence, has never quite understood the word "defense." Even less so over the past three seasons, giving up 30.4, 34, and 38 ppg respectively.
They have a mobile QB. That's our kryptonite.
If hes cleared, suit him up!
The doctors must have gone Six Million Dollar Man on that collarbone for him to get back that quickly.
Bionic Brewer
I've said all along that it will be the short end of the recovery range because he's just tough as nails. He will be playing in pain, but for him, that's normal.
That said, the odds of him coming back and then getting hurt again is high. He's just so slight.
Saw him last night at El Rod's. My wife asked him how it was doing and he said it was getting much better. He was with Wyatt Teller so I was scared to speak.
El Rods...the classy Taco Bell
Your wife talked to Brewer and Teller and you're still married? Bravo to you. You should thank your lucky stars Sam Rogers wasn't there.
We all know that Rogers impregnates women if he looks at them a certain way.
beat me to it +1
pretty sure she would have been pregnant by osmosis by now if that happened
I actually have a class with Wyatt Teller and I sit a row ahead of him. I chatted with him for a few seconds before the lecture started yesterday and told him the team had a great game against Purdue. He said thanks a lot and wasn't threatening in the slightest!
Please tell me this was in History of Pancakes by Prof Butterworth
Still going with original prediction of suited up for NC State, stays on sideline, limited action the following week against Miami.
(Hedge - If the NC State game is a disaster, Brewer starts the Miami game.)
If the NC State game is a disaster you got a lot more to worry about than just quarterback. I mean our defense should show up as well as special-teams etc.
I was only speaking to the QB situation. Sorry, should've clarified.
If Motley doesn't lose, I say we keep him as the starter. He might not know the offense as well, but he seems to be getting better. Motley's arm strength opens up the field and the threat of the QB run opens up holes for the RBs. If we win the next 2 games and continue to have explosive plays, we should stay with Motley (IMO). Last year there was almost zero threat of a home run.
I think Brewer will probably be the starter mainly because he's less likely to make a killer mistake. However, I can see Motley coming in pretty often and mixing in a little running but still being a threat to throw the ball downfield. That keeps the home run threat alive and well.
But we have seen Brewer make some "killer mistakes" I just don't want to bring them up... the taste of Jack Daniels will come back to haunt me
We have. But that was last year. Granted we only have one half of play to go off of this year. But it looked like Brewer was extremely comfortable running the system Lefty had put in front of him. I'm not saying I'm not happy with what Motley has done so far because I am. Just saying I think Brewer has the experience and the knowledge of the playbook on his side.
For that half, Brewer looked like he was going to be a very good player for us this year. Add that to the notes we've heard from the WRs about how he makes their jobs easier and they have to be just a little more perfect when playing with Motley (something along those lines, can't find the quote right now), and I think Brewer is our general.
I'm not against starting Brewer, I just think if Motley leads us to a win over ECU and then beats Pitt (lost the last 5 out of 6), we should see where he can take us.
Brewer looked really good in the 2.5 quarters against OSU and for the 4 quarters against OSU last year, but I can't forget about some of the killer mistakes he made in tight games last year (Wake and GT).
I say we just wait and see what Motley looks like after 2 more games.
Agree, let the next two weeks at ECU and Pitt play out. Motley's performance may or may not change drastically in the next two games, which would weigh heavily on the decision of quarterbacks. Anyway the decision should be mostly Loeffler's choice.
No disrespect to Motley, but I'll take the guy who lead a second quarter comeback against the #1 team in the country.
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Leg! Sweet pick!
Exactly, I know it is too early to tell, but with Brewer last year, we still had a terrible offense. I doubt that the offense improves dramatically after a year. With Motley, we have already had two of the best statistical games of the last few years. I know competition is not great, but even against sub-par competition last year we were dreadful.
I think it's a little unfair to Brewer to reach that conclusion. All reports indicated that he made huge strides in the off-season and Loeffler and Co. expected big things from Brewer this year. He was playing pretty well against a very talented defense before he was injured. What's to say that Brewer wouldn't be capable of moving our offense and scoring TDs against Furman and Purdue?
Except it has. The OL, running backs, receivers and TEs are all playing much, much better than they were at this time last year. Motley has played pretty well, but watching both QBs this year -Brewer against a good team and Motley against 2 bad teams - it's pretty easy to see why Brewer is the starter. It's the offensive line making big strides that has made the biggest difference so far this season.
The OL makes or breaks a team, always.
Oddly, that could be said for both the team the OL is on, and the team they're playing against. Facing a bad o-line makes the entire defense look better.
This just further illustrates my point.
Well, the offense had one good quarter against OSU, not exactly a great sample size.
Let's not forget the "Beamer Factor" here. CFB has always shown a strong loyalty to his starters, and upperclassmen. I kind of doubt that no matter how well Motley is playing that Brewer will lose his starting spot to injury. If he comes back and plays poorly, then Motley takes his place, but I fully expect to see Brewer starting when he is healthy enough.
If Motley goes out and tears up ECU and Pitt, while protecting the ball, there is no chance Beamer benches him. He only has a few years left and I doubt he would endanger messing up a good thing.
How long have you been following the Beamer era?
Well, I remember Bryan Randall (true sophomore) replacing an injured Grant Noel (senior) in 2002 and never giving the job back, even when Noel got healthy.
Granted, Brewer >>> Noel, but there's precedent.
Admittedly, not 25 years, but I'm commenting on how his past MO would not come into play this close to his departure.
Got it. I hope so. The whole seniority over skills thing was a huge handicap in those years where we were just barely on the outside looking in on a MNC.
If Brewer is ready he needs to be in the huddle. His skill set alone does not define him. His leadership on the field cannot be quantified. This is great news IMO. I see nothing wrong with Motley coming in for plays here and there just as he was doing against OSU, but now his package involves a very real option to throw as well.
Yeah that was my thinking as well. Imagine when Motley comes in and it's not automatically a run. I think he's developed enough confidence in himself and with the coaches that they will let him throw the ball down the field off of play action. I think it's a really exciting idea honestly.
All due respect to Motley, kid has done well so far.. but I'd feel so much more confident with Brewer back under center. I do think Motley has made his case for increased snaps in that scenario though.
Play em' both
This. Get Motley 5-8 snaps. Give the defense something else to prepare for. Dink and dunk with Brewer, run a couple of read options with Motely. Then have Motley run a PA pass deep.
Then have Sam Rogers throw a bomb to himself.
I'd hate to see them split time under center. Let's stop the whole potential issue now and just start Lawson. /s
As exciting as this is to hear I can't help but to think about Lawson sitting on the sideline twiddling his thumbs wondering if all the valuable experience and playing time was worth not redshirting...
Remember...they planned on playing him this year regardless of Brewer getting injured.
True, just can't help but wonder what his role will be, and if it is really worth burning the redshirt. No need to debate whether it was worth it I guess, it's already done. I just hope they can find a valuable role to work him in and get him more experience.
If you ask me, he didn't want to redshirt. Nothing against the kid, he has great potential, but he's not ready. He needs experience, practice, shadow snaps, game snaps, whatever. Kids with that much talent are rarely humble, so it's probably best he makes a fool of himself and gets told what he did wrong for an entire year...of course, he could also be the best character kid in the world, and just so absurdly talented that the coaches can't keep him off the field, but he can still benefit immensely from some hard coaching...
Every indication is that he didn't want to redshirt.
If Lawson is going to live up to the hype, he won't be here 4 years anyway. Why waste a year just to sit him?
To be clear, I am not questioning the decision not to redshirt him. Like you say, and as Beamer has said in the past (after learning with Vick), if you got a guy like that you play him cause redshirting will just waste a year. But I am hoping that once Brewer is back, they find a way to utilize him that gives a) some real impact to benefit the team this year and/or b) some real impact to his development, to get him ready to take the reigns when it is his time, more than just just garbage time
I just want him wearing the headset and relaying the calls. I think he needs mental reps more than anything, and that's one way to get them while he's not on the field.
The only reason to redshirt someone is if they're going to play for five years. This kid is almost 21 he's not going to be at Tech for five years if he is he isn't a pro quarterback
I can only hope you're right and he does live up to the hype
Yes I know but I felt like that was under the precursor that he had a strong chance to jump Motley in the pecking order or at least that he would have some sort of consistent role in the offense. Right now he's obviously not jumping Motley in the pecking order (nor should he) and I have not seen him have any role outside of garbage time, which can only get worse if/when Brewer gets back. When Frank said that Lawson wouldn't redshirt he alluded to the fact that Lawson would be getting worthwhile reps and I'm just not seeing it so far, and if we're not seeing it against Furman and Purdue I don't see why we should expect to see it in ACC play or with Brewer back.
Well then the real question is if we successfully deploy both Brewer and Motley (i.e. comfortable lead), who gets mop-up duty? The "starter" that got less time, or Lawson?
Lawson. No use risking an injury to a starting-caliber player and once again being a tweaked ankle away from starting a true freshman for mop-up duty.
If Motley continues to play well, Brewer should take a full 6 weeks to come back. Once he's back, though, he starts.
My thoughts as well, ..no need to rush the healing process, regardless of how good you feel. Take your time, come back 100%.
Except for Tony Romo. I need you Romo. Dallas needs you. pls.
If Brewer is good to go, this just gives Loeffler another weapon. Think about it. What is his offense designed to do? Exploiting mismatches. We could see a "starter in name only" kind of situation evolve here, based on the skill set of each team we face. If done well, this could be used incredibly effectively. But, there are two concerns: (1) the adage of "if you have 2 QBs, you have no QB" and (2) Loeffler has over-thought himself before, though he has been excellent so far this year, I think.
Interesting situation, indeed.
2) Loeffler's kept everything simple. I think it's sustainable based solely on that.
I'm not sure that's accurate. Players are simple executing the complicated stuff - and the simple stuff, for that matter - better than they did last year.
Assuming Brewer is healthy and ready to go, I'd say he probably gets the majority of snaps. As capable as Motley has looked over the last 6 quarters, Brewer has been demonstrably the better QB any time you compared them side by side.
But Motley will be a far more dangerous weapon for 10-15+ snaps now because teams 1) will have to respect more than a basic run package with him and 2) will have to game plan for two somewhat different, but no longer one-dimensional in either case, QB skill sets.
I think both qbs are a viable option motley helps the run game more with his deep ball and option play. Brewer is more surgical I think we see both usually I hate 2 qb rotation but I believe with the exp motley is getting as the starter makes it potentially a true dual threat. Cause brewer is brewer he is going to know the offense in and out of they stack the box use motley more and if they don't use Brewers mid range and short passing game heck could see both same time aka the Sam Rogers pass. .. First post long time reader
we need to run at least one play from the shotgun with Brewer behind center, Motley lined up to his left, and Lawson lined up to his right....no one will know where the ball is getting snapped to....it'll be unstoppable!!! /s
I just imagined a play where Brewer snaps the ball, Motley runs left, Lawson right, two wide receivers go deep. Brewer lateral quick passes to Lawson, who holds on to the ball just long enough to have the defense begin pursuit only to lateral the ball across the field to Motley who then launches the deep ball to the deep receiver now 60 yards downfield. All this would happen in a matter of seconds.
We sound like Ohio State fans right now...
Come on now...it's not as though we talk incessantly about a former quarterback turned receiver...
Thank you
Am I the only one that's surprised Brewer hasn't gotten back on the field yet? Dude's tough as nails and I wouldn't be shocked if the only thing keeping him back is that his gigantic cajones are weighing him down and keeping him from making it to the training room.
Plus, this is how I've always imagined Brewer since last year's OSU game:
It's only a flesh wound
I got it!
2 QB rotation rarely ever work, case in point Urban Meyer publicly admitting he needs to make a choice. In my mind having a comfort level knowing your coach and team have designated you "the guy" can boost performance as well.
Personally, I like Brewer. He is tough as nails and has had a year to learn the offense. However I do remember thinking last year that this guy has no business Quarterbacking my Hokies. (after last season I am sure a lot of you had the same feelings for a lot of our players.)
I think both guys can give us the chance to win which is all you can ask for. I look forward to seeing what Motley can do against ECU.
Let's Go Hokies!
The reason 2 QB rotations rarely work is because it is nearly impossible to get 2 QB's enough reps in practice with the 1's and enough in-game experience against quality competition.
Mot is getting that experience right now. Brewer won't have been out too long, and won't have too much rust to knock off, hopefully. If Mot leads us to victory over ECU and Pitt, then I think the coaches will be forced into a 2 QB rotation. The mantra for the last couple of seasons has been to get the best athletes on the field. Mot can have a big effect on a defense, he's proving to be a good runner, but can stretch the field. Brewer is the indisputable leader of this team. I think Lefty can make a 2 QB rotation work.
When Brewer is fully back, I think we see 70/30 Brewer/Motley, but if Motley performs well, I could see it going as high as 60/40 by the end of the season. That makes essentially two different offenses that the opponent's D has to prepare for. That is bound to generate a lot of mental mistakes on their part that we can hopefully take advantage of. The question is, can our offense handle the variety/diversity without mental mistakes. I think that was part of the reason we saw some mental mistakes against Purdue, a problem we thought had been solved. They had to revert back to the Logan era offense in some sense. I think they've handled it well.
After all that, I just hope we take care of ECU first.
I agree with everything you wrote except the notion that our coaches will be forced to choose this or that offensive approach. They will have the opportunity to choose a 2 QB rotation or to make either Brewer or Motley QB1 and use the other however they think will win games. The could even pick and choose based on the opponent. But no one is going to force them to do anything.
We were seeing 70/30 Brewer-Motley during the OSU game. I think its safe to say Motley will see reps after Brewer's return.
The only question is: Will this be the Brew Motley Crew or the Motley Brew Crew late in the season. I'm voting for the later because of the big-play potential and the cooler name.
I'm going to go with, "The decision of who starts, regardless of all the other considerations, will be made by the O-line. How well are doing in pass-blocking?" If we can't keep the slighter build Brewer on his feet, as much as I want him to play, we'll have to use the bigger body.
Read this as MICHAEL BREWER COULD BE READY TO PLAY AGAINST NORTH CAROLINA and thought, "in what way is this good?" October 9 is much better than November 21. Anyway, hoping Motley continues to play well enough to make it a competition in a few weeks.
Brew looks solid on SNAP!
I was a little surprised he was out there throwing, and that they would put it out there, but he looked good!
Well he broke the bone on his non throwing shoulder. So it makes sense that he's still capable of throwing. The bone just needs to heal enough to take a hit.
If the Hawg-Mollies up front can keep opening up these lanes to run the ball, making our opponents focus on stopping the ground game, then I think Brewer will be able to capitalize on the receiver talent more effectively than Motley.
I'll admit I don't pucker up near as bad when Motley is throwing as I was during the 2nd half of the OSU game and 1st half of the Furman game. I am still a little skeptical of seeing him against a quality secondary.
Dirk Smirkley asks, "What's an abcense?"
British English spelling of absence?
If Brewer plays before that shoulder can take hits, there's a high risk of re-injury (or worse, if he's reacting abnormally to protect it), and then we're back to square one with an under-developed QB, but against much tougher competition. As long as Motley is rapidly improving and playing well enough to win the games, let him learn and let Brewer heal. Use Lawson as much as possible for mop up to develop him and not waste the redshirt. Best for Brewer, best for Motley, best for Lawson, and best for the team, this year's and next. Wouldn't it be sweet to have OSU's problem, with THREE talented winning QBs available?
We may have the same situation next year that they have this year. If Motley succeeds this year, Lawson won't get a free pass to the starting job.
Nor should he.
Motley's emergence combined with his 2016 eligibility bodes very well for us.
Sure, as long as that problem also includes being the reigning National Champs
I've always thought the formula for a national title was talent, depth, experience, coaching and no small amount of luck. Apparently, that all goes out the window so long as you have an early season loss and you lose your starting QB.
It is curious that we seem to be following OSU's path this year. We've been strong since our loss to them with a backup QB. They've been shaky the last couple games. Although I don't think OSU loses until maybe MSU, we very well could run the table with the way our schedule works out. But again, one game at a time GDmnit!
I'm not sure a 38-0 drubbing of hawaii counts as 'shaky'
OSU was shaky for exactly 1 game and it was against a pretty good and probably underrated NIU team which will probably give BC a run for their money this weekend.
edit: and BC is pretty good...they'll challenge in the Atlantic, though without their QB I don't think they'll win it
Go back and check out the stats on the Hawaii game. It was only 17-0 going into the 4th quarter. Not what you would expect from a team that blew out our defense and the gauntlet 3-games during their championship run. I'd say they have taken a step back in each of the last two games.
Play motley until he really struggles then relieve him with Brewer. I think Motley's ceiling is still being reached
The coaching staff has at least 2 weeks before they even have to worry about who will start vs NC State. While Motley has looked good against weaker competition, let's see how he does the next couple of weeks before we jump on one bandwagon or the other... The most likely scenario is that the 2 will split snaps in some way or another
If Motley continues to improve, I think the best plan when Brewer is healthy would be to start Motley and then bring in Brewer in the second quarter.
I don't know that I'd want to have Brewer take the first snaps of a conference game coming off a 4 to 8 week layoff.
What about Lawson? Did we really blow his redshirt for a 4-6 game stretch of him playing pretty much garbage time? Honestly, if Lawson is going to be the guy next season, I say play him alongside Brewer once he returns from injury.
At this point, the answer looks like "yes".
The answer is no. The plan all along was to burn his shirt and get him some game PT.
Brewer's injury has probably resulted in him getting more game reps and a lot more practice reps than he otherwise would have gotten.
Why do you assume Lawson will be "the guy" next year? Right now Motley is miles ahead of him in every aspect of the game.
That was my thoughts as well. Right now Motley is setting himself to be the man for his senior year. Lawson can redshirt next year.
So who exactly would be the backup then? True freshman Josh Jackson?
Have you forgotten about Durkin?
FWIW though, I don't think Lawson will redshirt next year regardless (barring injury, of course).
I don't think many of us expect Durkin to still be on the QB depth chart next year. All signs point to TE.
The point is that IF Lawson were to redshirt, Durkin would certainly be the backup QB in 2016 for the same reason he is still mostly taking QB reps in 2015 and barely dabbling at TE.
Respectfully disagree. I think with another high-ceiling freshman coming in and our TE chart potentially thinning out, Durkin's role is up in the air for that hypothetical situation. If Durkin were going to be the backup next year, he wouldn't be taking reps at TE and Lawson wouldn't be taking reps over him.
You're projecting on an incoming recruit, but you're forgetting that Durkin was a higher rated recruit than the incoming "high-ceiling" freshman. True freshman QBs can barely get a handle on what they are doing on the field, let alone understand what everybody else is supposed to be doing.
The original hypothetical question was "what if Lawson redshirts, who would be the back-up"? It's a hypothetical question (and, as I said before, a very unlikely one IMO). In the unlikely event it did happen, the simple -- and only real plausible -- answer is the r-So Durkin would be the back-up.
Recruiting rankings/ratings need to be taken with a grain of salt... Durkin was listed as a pro-style QB when his obvious strengths were the ability to run the ball, not pass it with any accuracy...
Also, Jackson and Durkin are basically ranked the same at this point. Similar offer lists too.
Jackson could potentially improve in the ratings/rankings as he continues to dominate his senior season.
247: Jackson: 86/3* Durkin: 90/4*
Rivals: Jackson: 5.6/3* Durkin 5.7/3*
ESPN: Jackson 82/4* Durkin 77/3*
I had the same thought. But at the same time, I don't think Lawson came here to ride the bench. He de-commited from da U because he wasn't going to see playing time with Kaaya as the starter.
No one on scholarship comes to ride the bench, but Lawson definitely has to earn it. If Motley continues to grow with experience, it is realistic that he starts next year. Loeffler would not guarantee Lawson anything more than a shot, of this I am certain.
If Lawson is everything and a can of nuts by this time next year, he'll win the job. If not, then the reality simply isn't as great as the legend and he probably wasn't going to win the job at many top schools - at least not so soon.
Even as a back-up, the likelihood of him being needed isn't low. VT has had a pretty good run of healthy QBs, so it's spoiled in terms of the back-up not really being needed. This is not the norm in college football
We learned that 2 weeks ago.
I'm not saying anything new here, but the good news is that Loeffler's appears to have identified what kind of system he wants to run and the type of QB to run it. This time next year, he will have as many as four guys in the system (spaced apart class-wise) with skill sets that fairly closely align, so if someone gets hurt, the transition can be more seamless (unlike this year or when LT got injured vs UCLA).
Stunning development if he plays that soon.
Gonna be a target for sure.
Kid must be tough as shoe leather.
After reading through this topic, I've figured out the optimal solution.
Brewer has the qualities of toughness, knowledge of the system, and accuracy.
Motley has the qualities of mobility and arm strength.
Take them down to one of the labs and merge them into one superplayer for game time.
And that player would then have 4 years of eligibility.
We already did that and named him "Sam Rogers" but promised to play him as a fullback to keep things fair.
I would normally not be thrilled with burning Lawson's redshirt for the snaps he has gotten but considering his age and the fact that we need to get him reps/experience for him to compete next year, I'm OK with it. I will say I don't think I'd be comfortable seeing Brewer back before Miami and still think that's optimistic. Originally I was eyeing the GT game for his return as that gives him 10 full weeks to be 100%.
Right now we have so many QBs on the roster.
Brewer, Motley, Lawson, Hodges, Rogers, McMillian.
Our season is progressing like OSU's did last year. Lose an early season game at home, have to deal with your starting quarterback getting hurt, train a new one who has been at the school for a while, get the defense on track, develop an OLine.
Only two things left. Pull it all together and make a run. We're right on track, no worries.
Durkin
Ha. Silly me. I knew there was another one I was forgetting but Caleb kept coming to mind.
So in response to someone's comment upthread, no, we (collectively) haven't forgotten about Durkin.
Just because it's almost lunchtime in the office, I'm gonna have some fun here with QBs on our roster...
Jack Click
Deon Newsome
hopefully Motley shows in the next couple weeks that he is the man and Brewer is #2 and comes off the bench. Brewer has played 8-10 healthy QUARTERS of football for VT. He went 3-5 vs ACC competition last year. As much as everyone wants to talk about his completion percentage and skill in the short game go back and watch how many times brewer has hit a receiver in stride. The ball is usually behind the receiver and the defender usually has time to make a break.
Motley has surprised and I sure hope they don't take the ball out of his hands.
who are you?
Brenden's mom?
Someone who can take off the O&M glasses and see that Brewer is not the answer.
ILLEGAL USE OF MEME. NUMBER 7.
O&M glasses may only be used in discussions regarding how VT compares to another university and/or team.
I don't know what glasses you're wearing but I don't think you're seeing straight through them...
So who do you consider to be an accurate passer? LT3?
You are aware the defenders have dropped about 4 or 5 picks from Motley so far, right? He's played pretty well so far, but he's had accuracy issues himself, not to mention being decisive with the ball. Brewer is our QB for the simple fact that he's a better QB than Motley. This isn't even an argument.
Only time will tell. We get a minimum of 2 more games to watch and see.
I don't think it's fair to put the 3-5 ACC record fully on Brewer's shoulders. Many, if not all, of those losses were team losses. Brewer was hurt, RBs were hurt, linemen hurt, everyone was hurt. BUT, I am not saying you're wrong about the Motley/Brewer debate.
I just hope and pray and beg that the coaches/staff don't put Brewer back in too early just for the sake of getting back to the same QB we started with at the beginning of the season. If Motley holds up well against ECU and Pitt, then the coaches should make darned sure that Brewer is at least 95% back to where he was in the first two quarters against OSU. If he's not, keep rolling with Motley. Having 4.5 games of consistency and timing with the WRs goes a long way compared a QB you've only caught passes from in practice in nearly the same time span.
He was pretty inaccurate at the beginning of the OSU game, but that may have been jitters. Last year, he's wasn't all that inaccurate, but his lack of arm strength did not match his faith in his arm. The poor decision making early in the year and poor pocket presence year long were other issues.
From what I've seen, brewer understands the passing game and is tough as nails. Motley has a better arm and superior athleticism but doesn't make decisions quick enough, which is dangerous. Neither are more than average ACC QBs, but there isn't much difference in the two. It's just so interesting that they have polar opposite skill sets.
Average ACC QBs with passer ratings of 191.90 and 161.75. (In admittedly small sample sizes.)
I honestly had to laugh when ESPN mentioned in a story that Motley had become a "top-10 ACC quarterback" after the Purdue game. The ACC has 14 teams...
Brilliant. It's like Coach FML saying, "think about it , of the thousands of places you could get a degree, Virginia is one of the top 120 FBS schools. That's pretty good, right?"
Yep, SSS.
Clearly not as good as Watson, Brissett, Golson, Williams, Kaaya or Thomas (although he wouldn't be a QB for us). Better than the current clusters at BC, SU, Wake, Lville. Probably better than Sirk and Peterman. Probably not as good as Johns.
makes me wonder how much better Florida would be with Johns
...and that's where you lost me.
All of the above have small sample sizes. So it's hard to draw any firm conclusions about any QB so far this season. But with what we have to work with we know that:
Motley:
Brewer:
There is no clear picture that Motley is inferior to any other ACC QB with the possible exception of Brisset, who is setting the world on fire thus far. If the Brewer we saw against OSU is really who Brewer is as a QB, he's ACC POY material.
Okay. I guess SSS data means different things to different people.
well, now I'm curious. How do you define SSS?
If you acknowledge it as a SSS, why use the word "clearly"?
I'm not using SSS data. It's not dependable. The other guy is.
Brewer doesn't have SSS data, he has SS Data. And using that SS Data, he's not as good as those other 6 QB's. Motley only has SSS data, and the fact that he was beat out by Brewer twice. So if Motley
.....(weird, that got cut off).... So if Motley
So, again, why begin any statement as "clearly?" You're making a definitive statement, but admittedly believe the sample size through 25% of the season is insufficient to draw strong conclusions. So why do you insist that other conference QBs are "clearly" better than Brewer and Motley?
the way people talk, it might be better if Brewer never came back. He'll always have the 1st half against anOSU...
I'm not sure as to the reason the Brewer/Motley debate is so heated. Motley has played better than expected, then again, the OL has been light years ahead of last season, so how much is it Motley and how much has it been the OL. Yeah, Furman and Purdue's DL isn't going to make anyone forget the DL play that VT faced in ACC play, last year or even ECU's DL play from last year, so even my comments regarding the OL play may be unjustified.
Let's at least wait until the team plays ECU and Pitt, to see if there's even a debate to be had. If Motley continues to perform as he has the past couple of weeks, then there's something to talk about (though, I think Lefty will still want to see Brewer in there).
We can't forget Brewer did not really get the chance to show he improved more than a half (which impressed me). I agree if Motley plays well, do not take him out (Wake Forest game last year.....). But, we have to give Brewer a chance to strut his stuff.
I'm a Brewer fan.
That guy has taken some serious punishment for this team, and managed to notch that win at Ohio State which I believe very few QBs could have done.
He may well have done it again this year, if his OSU game hadn't ended prematurely.
All of that said, Loeffler has earned the right to make the call, and I trust his judgment. I'm HOPING it's a tough call, because that will mean that Motley has done a great job!