
Frank Beamer is fond of the adage a team is never as good as they look when they win and is never as bad as they look when they lose. Despite Virginia Tech's brutally disappointing 28-35 loss to East Carolina on Saturday, after rewatching the game I actually wasn't as discouraged about the state of the program as I thought I might be. While the defensive performance was underwhelming (that's the kindest word I could think of), I can't help but continue to be encouraged by the offense's productivity. Frank Beamer has built his legacy on the strength of his defenses, but so far this season the offense has been wiping the floor with the defense.
If you had told me that Michael Brewer was going to break his collarbone a little more than two quarters into the season, I would have bet every penny I owned that Tech wouldn't break the top 100 offenses in the country... and I would have been dead wrong. Brenden Motley has far exceeded my expectations as a starter so far, and has lead Tech to a top 40 offense along the way. Scot Loeffler's group was far from perfect on Saturday, but the improvement over last year's offensive unit is now undeniable.
Motley Has Another Big Day
In just his third game as a starter, Brenden Motley looked like the most dangerous player on the field for Virginia Tech. I wrote before how Motley's strong arm allows him to fit the ball into tight windows and he once again found success throwing the ball down the field, averaging eight yards per pass attempt. Brenden's touchdown throw to Malleck in the first quarter shows that he is maturing into more than just a thrower, he is starting to understand the intricacies of Loeffler's system.
This is one of Loeffler's favorite passing plays in the red zone, a high/low read on the middle linebacker. The objective of this play is to place to receivers in the middle of the field (Malleck and Phillips) and throw to whichever one the middle linebacker doesn't cover. Motley correctly diagnoses the coverage when he recognizes the safety faking blitz back off into a deep zone rotating towards the three receiver side. With the boundary corner maintaining outside leverage to prevent Malleck and Rogers from running a smash concept, Malleck is free to run right up the seam. The middle linebacker doesn't get enough depth to prevent the throw and Motley rifles it past the backer for a touchdown. The throw, catch, and play design were all very nice here, but I am most impressed with the timing of the play. Motley hits the top of his drop exactly as Malleck is coming out of his break. This is the only thing which allows Motley to set his feet in time to make the throw into a tight window.
Brenden has a ways to go before he is as proficient as Brewer was at Loeffler's west coast pass game, but that lightbulb is starting to come on and seems to be getting brighter every game. If Brenden can start attacking the structure of defenses with the quick hitting routes Loeffler adores, his advantage down the field will become even more potent.
This is another example of Motley making a quick read to get the ball to the right teammate in a high pressure situation. Motley sees the two deep safeties before the snap and knows that he'll have some type of tight coverage underneath. When Malleck runs a slant and the linebacker starts to follow him, Brenden knows that Bucky Hodges is matched up one-on-one with a corner who has no inside support. Hodges has plenty of space to work with to the inside and runs a slant, putting his body in between the defender and the quarterback. On a fourth-and-two I'm pleased with how decisively Motley stood in the pocket and delivered that throw, even if it was slightly behind the target.
This play was really impressive for me because it showed both Motley's recognition of coverages as well as the chemistry he has with his wide receivers. ECU had a solid defensive game plan, and they called a really dangerous coverage here. They know that Loeffler likes to throw a deep in route on third-and-long and they want to try and trick Motley into throwing an interception. ECU drops a safety into a short zone over Cam, allowing the slot defender to drift backwards into the area that Ford will be making his In cut. If Motley doesn't see the slot defender drift, he risks getting picked off when he throws to Ford. If Motley does recognize and decides to throw to Cam on the slant, the safety is waiting to pounce in and pick that throw off. Brenden Motley doesn't do any of these. He instead buys time with his feet and makes eye contact with Phillips, who restarts his route and gets upfield for a big catch and run.
Motley Lifts Tech's Ground Game
Brenden Motley didn't limit himself to racking up yards from the pocket. Loeffler used him frequently on QB power plays and Motley finished Saturday as Tech's leading rusher. Virginia Tech used the inverted veer play often, often utilizing a wide receiver or Travon McMillian to threaten the perimeter of the defense with a sweep.
This is a really nice play design to punish defenses that rotate safeties to combat WR sweep action. As Ford comes across the formation, the boundary corner that was covering him passes that responsibility off to the slot defender aligned over Hodges. The boundary corner and boundary safety rotate over towards the sweep action and the field safety crashes to secure the edge. Loeffler runs a counter to take advantage of this complex defensive rotation. The linebackers get sucked to Motley's left by the fullback and pulling guard. When Motley pulls the ball and runs to his right, every defender has their momentum heading away from him. If Motley can squeeze through the line cleanly he is one on one with a cornerback who is ten yards away from the line of scrimmage, just one broken tackle away from a touchdown. A defensive lineman gets enough of Motley to slow him down but keep an eye out for this in the future. Don't be surprised if Motley gets a long run off a similar action somewhere down the road.
This is a similar play to the previous clip but this time Motley follows his lead blockers and walks into the end zone. With ECU not bringing the cornerback across the formation to follow McMillian's fake, Loeffler doesn't have to bother with blocking him on the back side and overwhelms ECU at the point of attack. Motley has a ton of physical ability and is a huge asset in the redzone. If he can continue to improve his decision making in the throw game, he'll make it almost impossible for opposing coordinators to choose between focusing on stopping the QB run or stopping the short pass in short yardage situations.
Growth Potential
As effective as Motley was, he still left a ton of yardage and points left on the field Saturday. ECU saw the same thing I did when they watched the Furman and Purdue game film, and they seemed convinced that stopping Tech's corner routes was key. ECU broke aggressively on any route which headed towards the sideline, and they frequently played far off of underneath routes by outside receivers in order to play underneath corner routes.
This is a play that an ACC contender has to make 10 times out of 10. The corner is giving a ton of space to Tech's best receiver, presumably because the corner is worried about either getting beat deep or the slot receiver running a corner route behind him. I like that Motley and Ford both read the coverage correctly, but Motley simply has to complete this throw. This is a perfect example of the short pass game benefitting the long. If Motley completes this throw a few times and gets into several second-and-shorts, the defense won't be so willing to play ten yards off the receiver on first down. That opens up the space down the sideline for Loeffler to run his favorite smash concept. Accuracy and consistency are the two biggest things holding Motley back right now. If Motley can find a way to make that long throw to the sideline every time, this greatly improved passing attack will reach new levels.
Passing Variety
Brenden Motley undoubtedly has a big arm which is capable of getting the ball into holes in the secondary, but it seemed like those throwing windows were a little bit smaller than they should have been against ECU. ECU really did a good job of preparing for Loeffler's route combinations and their secondary spent much of the afternoon running the receiver routes for them. After three starts, it might be time for Loeffler to help Motley out by opening up the passing playbook.
This is pretty compelling evidence that ECU knew that the smash concept was a route combination they were going to see a lot of. Tech has Ford and Hodges lined up to the right of the formation and Hodges is going to run a short hook route and Ford is going to run a corner. Motley is reading the flat defender. If he leaves Hodges open Motley will throw to Hodges and if he covers Hodges Motley will throw behind the flat defender toward the sideline to Ford on a corner route.
This is a perfect camera angle to see how the safety knows exactly what's coming. Before Motley even has his feet set the safety is breaking towards where the throw is going to be. Yes, the slot defender does grab a hold of Ford on his break and slows him down a little, but this was going to be a difficult completion anyways. In reality, it should have been an interception and might have been a pick six.
Scot Loeffler runs a ball control offense which utilizes a low risk passing offense. He relies on the timing and chemistry of his receivers and quarterback to complete high percentage throws against any kind of defense. There will come a time when defenses will start to sit on those high percentage routes and try to break on the ball before the receiver does. When that happens, the risk/reward ratio on the short passing game begins to change and it becomes more advantageous to throw more aggressive routes. Having more routes which utilize a double move would be an effective way to get a lot of yardage on one play against an aggressive defense and also force the defense to back off on future short yardage throws.
On ECU's pick, you can clearly see the safety aggressively drop into short robber zone to try and bait Motley into an interception. This is a route that Malleck runs often which allows him to post up against a less athletic defender underneath. The safety reads the route and makes a quick break on the ball, tipping it to a teammate who secures the pick. The interesting thing happens on the other side of the field though. In a post-game comment, Motley admitted, "It was a dumb ball by me," and said, "I actually came off my read". So if Malleck wasn't the intended target, who was his first read?
I believe it was Hodges at the bottom of the screen. I think this could be a modified route, exactly the type of play Loeffler should be calling to help Motley against aggressive defenses. We see Phillips and Hodges start at the bottom of the formation and Phillips runs a short hook route. Bucky Hodges run a vertical route and is isolated on a safety. Rather than run a smash concept and head towards the sideline on a corner route Hodges breaks towards the middle of the field, breaking tendency. If Motley, who appears to be looking towards Hodges before the pick, stays with his read he has Bucky on a skinny post with inside position on the safety. Not an easy throw, but one that Motley has proven he can make. That skinny post is dangerous enough that even if Motley were to throw it and miss it might make the defense think twice before dropping one of their safeties into a robber coverage again (opening things up for Malleck underneath).
The Running Back Debate
There are other things holding this offense back from being considered elite besides Motley's inaccuracies or predictability in the passing game. In my opinion, the biggest hindrance to increased offensive production is the lack of playmaking ability at the running back position. Until Virginia Tech finds someone who can make some plays even when there isn't perfect blocking up front, the offense won't ever get to the next level.
I am a huge fan of both J.C. Coleman and Trey Edmunds. They are both great ambassadors for Hokie football and represent everything a Virginia Tech athlete should be. However, it's time for an honest conversation. Through four games, these two haven't looked like starting running backs on an elite offense. Neither possess the top end speed to pull away from defenders and both have been underwhelming in short yardage situations. I can't recall either of them making someone miss in space. They are both veteran players with experience so they usually know where to find the holes according to the blocking scheme, but they sometimes struggle to do even that.
If Virginia Tech is going to field an offense good enough to win the ACC Shane Beamer is going to have to find some solutions at his position, although I'm not sure he recognizes a problem.
"We've got a highly competitive room," Beamer said two weeks ago. "We talk about our defensive line on this team and that's a good group, but I really like the group that we have in our room from a depth standpoint and the amount of talent that we have in that room. It's a really, really good group."
With all due respect to Shane Beamer, there is no comparison between the production Virginia Tech has gotten out of its defensive line versus its running backs. Shane Beamer has to get more out of his unit then he currently is. This offense is 39th nationally in total offense despite having running backs that aren't really doing much more than running through the massive holes the offensive line created. If the running backs started making free hitters miss and breaking arm tackles, if the running backs kept defensive coordinators awake at night scheming up ways to prevent them from getting the ball, who knows what this offense would be capable of. If we had a Ryan Williams, or a David Wilson, or a Darren Evans I truly believe this offense could be a top 20, even with first year starter Brenden Motley.
So what's the solution? How can we get more production out of the running back spot? In my opinion, Travon McMillian is clearly the most explosive back on the roster right now. He is the only one that looks capable of rushing straight up the middle for a 50-yard score. Good rushing attacks get first downs, great rushing attacks get touchdowns. Virginia Tech's backs are struggling to do either right now. If Shane is positive that Travon can't be successful in between the tackles, the next best thing would be to simplify his rotation and give either Trey or J.C. the mass majority of the snaps. Go back and look at how productive JC was when he was getting almost every carry at the end of last season. Throughout his entire career at Tech, J.C. has been pretty ineffective in a platoon role and he openly stated that his success in 2014 started when he was allowed to get into the groove of a game. Anything would be an improvement over the running back carousel that Shane and the offense has tried for the past three seasons.

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Beat me to it. This also shows that Shane doesn't pay attention to what is going on with his RBs and how they respond and "click" with the offense. If they say this and he just keeps doing the carousel of doom, he's not being a good coach.
If you are going to be an effective running team the only offensive schemes that utilize multiple backs are the wishbone and split veer. And even they have a dominant back. All other run first teams use one back getting 20 plus carries. What the Tech coaches are doing is giving no back a chance to succeed.
A few things:
1. Our DL depth - I'm not sure how good we really are. We have perceived depth at DL that should've been good, but we got gashed so many times that i'm not sure how good they really are. Understandably there are schemes to neutralize our DL, but realistically if they are that good, then they should truly be able to take on more blockers than they currently do and are able to allow one or two free hitters in the box.
2. JC Coleman - I understand the angst about him and his size / play making ability. But each time I see on on the field, I see him make the right reads, the right cuts, and the right decisions. Against ECU, NONE of the RBs had any luck, and the only treason Travon did so well was due to his sweep runs (which even JC can do very well). I don't think JC is the worst RB out there at all, and we need to stop ganging up on him.
3. DBs - You would think that a year after being gashed in the air that we'd realize that the air-bombs they threw last year at us would be a staple this year, and that Torrian and Bud would realize we can't be beat in the air again. While we did get gashed on the ground by their Mobile QB, we could've kept our momentum against them when they had their southpaw in there and NOT get consistently beat in the air! I don't know why we struggle with this so much!
I'm sure French will discuss this at length, and he's certainly more qualified than I am, but I think Foster and Torian did try to minimize the air-raid attack but they may have outsmarted themselves. I saw a bunch of 3 man rushes. It's hard to see what's going on in the defensive backfield when watching on TV but when you're only rushing 3 guys that leaves 8 in coverage. The problem with this, I think, is that it opened up a ton of space for the QB to scramble.
That being said, it's baffling to me that there were so many guys wide open when we had 8 guys, in theory, in coverage. Kemp did a great job dissecting our Zone scheme and making us pay. I don't know how much of that is scheme, how much can be attributed to players maybe just not making plays that they should, or how much weather may have played a role. I've always been of the understanding that sloppy conditions will favor the receiver considerably since the receiver knows where he's going. It's tough to make a cut when you know where you're cutting to, but it's that much harder to make a cut when you don't know where you're cutting to.
After the phantom PI call on Clark, I also wonder if the DBs were playing scared, afraid that any physicality whatsoever would negate a good play with a flag. I doubt that explains everything, but I wonder if it was in the back of their minds all afternoon.
It got really noticeable after the phantom targeting on Huelscamp.
Maybe their receivers are just better athletes than our DBs, at least the ones who got beaten regularly. Didn't seem to be a problem for Fayscon. To me it all goes back to recruiting. You can out scheme folks every so often but it still comes down to athletes making plays and that's what ECU's athletes did.
My review is focused on DBs and DL depth- the lack of dependable 2nd team reps on DL is really hampering the pursuit of the starters
That last paragraph is great. If you believe that McMillian can run in between the tackles, then double down on him. If you don't believe that McMillian is ready for that, then focus on JCC.
I'm not sure what to do with Trey. They keep using him in the sets more geared for power running, but that Miami game was a long time ago. He hasn't looked like a power back since. I would prefer Rogers in that role.
On the tailback situation...
That first clip, my God, Gallo just gets blown the hell up. Was that happening all day? It seemed like Gallo held his block fine in the second clip, so I was wondering if the center getting blown off the snap was a theme on the day.
The second clip makes me want to punch something. Rogers is having a hard time kicking the defender out, but JC runs right into the middle of the block. The hole was razor thin, but JCC being as small as he is should have been able to hit the hole between the left tackle (was it McGlock or Nijman here?) and Rogers. Or if he's going to bounce it, at least bounce it all the way around the fullback block instead of directly into it. This could have been a 4 or 5 yard gain at the worst if JC just hits the right hole. It makes me wonder if JC getting over his fear of running into contact has now diminished his vision and patience as a runner because he thinks he'll just power through contact. He's still running with attitude and authority. He's still not posted a run for a loss. He just needs to find the hole he wants to hit.
Vision, man. Trey and JC are not showing the vision of upperclassmen, and it's been going on all season.
DESPITE this, though... Our running back game is okay. McMillian at 8.0 YPC is the leading running back playing for a team not running the triple option. With Trey's struggles, he's still averaging a respectable 4.2 YPC. JCC's numbers took a big hit this week, and now he's only averaging 3.7. For all the perceived struggles, this was the first game where one of the backs has looked demonstrably bad on every snap. Overall, the running backs continue to outperform the 2014 backs through an equivalent number of games, by a pretty wide margin.
I need to see if JCC's craptastic performance against ECU was an aberration, or a signal of an impending slump. And I'm guessing the coaches do, too. If Coleman has another day like today, look for our three man rotation to get whittled down to two. And that would really, really suck for a guy who has worked on his game to the extend JC has.
I maintain that next year, Deshawn McClease will be #2 behind T-Mac. Anyone who watched preseason scrimmages of him running behind the #2 OL vs #1 D could see it- explosive, vision, wiggle- dudes going to be a stud. Wish he was not RS this year. This year, really think Sam should be #2 tailback. Far more productive than Trey or JC
I don't think any of that will matter if we continue with this platoon style rotation at RB. Shane hasn't shown any signs of narrowing down the rotation. The only reason we were running with 1 back late last season was because everyone else was injured. I don't want that to be the reason we get down to 1 or 2 backs per game this year, but it's the only way I see it happening on Shane's watch. McClease may be an incredible talent but if he's only getting 8 carries per game he can only do so much to help this offense.
Here are my observations of the offense from Saturday now that I've dried out.
1. I still hate spread offenses and that goddamn pistol formation. It's crap. Bury it. We have a good O-Line this year. We have good TE's. We have only two WR's. Let's go with a pro-style offense.
2. Motley throws a pretty good ball. And he seems to be picking up the offense. I was surprised that he wasn't as quick when running the ball as I thought he would be. Several times, when scrambling, I thought he would get to the outside for big gains. But he never seemed to be able to outrun the defense. My mind still had visions of seeing MV1, Bryan Randall, MV2, and Tyrod Taylor being able to get big runs on those plays.
3. I love when Sam Rogers is in the game, but why in the hell do we give him the ball in pistol formation where he has to run lateral to the line of scrimmage? Just stupid.
4. We still have no deep threat. Therefore, I hope Loeffler is studying the New England Patriots offense.
5. McMillan needs to be the goto back. Give him 2/3's of the carries.
even if he gets 2/3 of the carries which, frankly, is asking a lot, that's still only good for about 16 carries per game. That is at the low end of how many carries typical #1 RBs get in a single game. Shane needs to settle on a guy who can carry the rock 20-25 times a game and spell him with a change-of-pace back who will get 6-12 per game. That will be about the right mixture for us right now since we're running it around 30 times per game through 4 games.
Right now there are 19 running backs who are averaging 20+ carries per game, across 130 different FBS programs. That just really isn't the offensive model people are using today. It would be more realistic to hope for one back to get 15-20 carries per game, another back to get the bulk of the rest, and then some garbage time carries for third-plus stringers.
I don't get the angst over the three back rotation this season, except that maybe it's just been ingrained as a talking point among the fan base. Up until JCC shit the bed against ECU, all three backs in our rotation were posting good numbers. If JCC has another game like he did against ECU, you'll get a two back rotation.
okay fine, so offenses are going away from workhorse backs. I could handle that. Just stop rotating them during a single drive. If Shane could just give each back 2 consecutive drives each that will help ease the angst, methinks
If we're going to give our 'workhorse' back <20 carries, b/c that's our offense, that's even more reason to have one primary back, instead of platoon. We know what we have in Trey and JC at this point. Just pick one and stick with it.
I would not be upset with Shane Beamer if I disagreed with his choice of which back should be his primary ball carrier, but I agreed with his overall approach. I would tell myself, "he sees the kids in practice, he knows them better than I do what each one is capable of."
I'm upset because his approach makes no sense to me, and it isn't working very well. And because every spring he assures us that he's not going to make the same mistake he made last year and then he goes right out and does it again.
I agree with you like 95%. I don't think you can really argue that his approach isn't working well. We haven't played against many stout defenses(OSU notwithstanding) yet but we've put well over 100 yards on the ground in every game. I don't like the approach because I think it could work a lot better. Right now, our rushing offense is serviceable. If he stuck with 1 guy 80% of the time I think our rushing offense would be above average, maybe even elite. Add to that the possibilities with play action if we can establish a strong running threat and I think our offense would be able to bail out our struggling defense more often than not. I think we have a ton of talent at the RB position but the guys aren't running confidently because they know that they're just going to get pulled and lose reps if they screw up. Pick a guy and stick with him. I think that will do wonders for his confidence and then we'll start really opening things up with a strong rushing threat. Right now, we just don't have that. We're plugging in different players every other 3 plays and they're getting yards in bits and pieces. With the exception of TMac's long runs, we haven't been able to threaten a defense with nice long runs.
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They were posting good numbers because the offensive line was opening huge holes. The running backs were not breaking tackles, or running away from defenses, or making great reads and squeezing through tiny holes. They were running through gaping holes.
If the offense is going to take the next step from top 40 to top 20, the production will have to come from the running backs. Watch a team with a great running back and then watch ours. No defensive coordinator in the country is staying up late at night worried about how he's going to slow down the Hokie running backs.
Those TCU and Texas Tech RB's hit holes like their hair was on fire.
they probably have a proper RB coach
I... Just... Give me a second. I need to savor that sentence a moment.
God, that was good.
Okay, what were we talking about? Oh, yeah. No. JCC and Trey aren't great backs. Never have been, never will be. I totally agree that their good production has been due to the O line improvement. But because of that, both have been posting numbers above last season, and numbers that any realistic fan shouldn't take issue with. Statistically, McMillian has been the superior back, but obviously there is some sort of trust issue with him.
Is McMillian a great back? Who knows. We'll see. The point is, our three back platoon has been productive. Are we gonna call the running game overhaul complete? Nope. Miles to go before we sleep and all that. But people are acting like the rotation has been a disaster. We've had one bad game in regards to tailback running.
PS, why did the O line have so much trouble opening holes against ECU, by the way? Do you think it was the weather, or was ECU doing something schematically our other opponents haven't done?
cuz stiney was coaching them /s
*ducks*
Don't think I haven't thought it.
Motley didn't have any trouble getting yardage, it's not like ECU was living on Tech's side of the offensive line. Honestly, the running backs bear a lot of responsibility for their lack of production on Saturday. Rewatch the last two clips from the article. On the first one JC Coleman doesn't have the explosiveness to either bounce it outside (forcing him to cut back into the unblocke defender) and he doesn't have the power to gain anything after contact. The second one is even worse, the offensive line blocks everyone just fine, JC just decides to bounce it all the way outside right into the arms of a defender. If he was an explosive back he would have ran in between of Malleck's down block and Roger's kick out, with an opportunity to make the free hitter safety miss in open space for a touchdown.
Thanks, Mason. I'm actually relieved to hear the O line didn't regress that badly against ECU, because it sure felt like it. I'm crossing everything I have two of that Shane is ready to pull the trigger on benching/demoting a back who continues to struggle.
After rewatching, on that first one, Gallo just gets blown up SO BAD, I can't really fault JCC for not finding his lane. He basically met Gallo's rear end as soon as he had the ball in his hands. Did Gallo struggle like that all game?
I sincerely hope you're not crossing EVERYTHING that you have two of..but yeah, I hope the RB situation get's a little more clear as we get into the regular season. What we don't know, and I've been guilty of this speculation myself, is whether the RB rotation is all on Shane or Loeffler. Most likely that it's a combination of the two in some way but the general consensus seems to be that Shane is the main reason for the shuffling. Loeffler may have a bigger hand in it than we think. Or he might not. We just don't know.
Was it you I was talking about this with in another thread?
We were rotating backs before Shane. Hite took some heat for juggling Darren Evans, Ryan Williams and David Wilson. Shane might have picked up the tendency from his predecessor. Then again, Lefty seems all about personnel packages. It could very well be something he's doing. The truth is probably somewhere in the middle.
probably. i've been voicing off a lot about the rb rotation lately
You and CWbtJ are bringing me around. I might have been blinding myself with the better numbers.
Yeah I think they could be a lot better. The o line has been playing a whole lot better than I've seen in years
I'm officially a Searels believer.
Yeah Searels-ly
Yep, I remember being frustrated at how those three guys were all being juggled in 2010. Tech has typically been very strong with a solid #1 back or a great 1-2 punch combination. We had Evans establish himself as our bellcow back as a r-Fr in 2008. Then, he's injured in the following offseason, forcing us to turn to (then unproven) Ryan Williams and take the redshirt off David Wilson because of uncertainty with the position. While Wilson got some carries that year, Williams then established himself as our #1 back in 2009. So you have two every-down backs returning in 2010, plus an extremely talented DW4. I think we honestly just didn't know what to do with all of them, and we didn't want anyone's feelings getting hurt, so everybody got a turn. I think that's at least part of the reason Williams and Evans bolted after that season. They knew they were all going to be splitting carries, and there just weren't enough to go around. Then in 2011, DW4 has a breakout year as our everydown back. Starting to see a pattern here. Things are so much better when you settle primarily on one or two guys. It is impossible to play this many guys consistently. Now that it seems Shai and Juice will be redshirting, I say game on in practice between McMillian, JC, and Trey. May the best man win. I don't think any of these guys have quite shown they are at the caliber of Evans, Williams, or Wilson, and there's no room for feelings getting hurt if you get beat out for the job.
for the life of me, I could never figure out why DWills wasn't either red-shirting, or spelling the slot/TE...I assume it was Stiney, but still don't know...
Ryan Williams and Darren Evans both declared for the draft because they both believed they were 1-3 round talents. (Darren Evans also had completed his degree, and had a family to provide for.)
The difference between Billy Hite's rotation and Shane Beamer's rotation is that Billy Hite's system consistently worked and Shane Beamer's consistently disappoints.
It's hard to screw up when you have 3 NFL backs at your fingertips, we don't exactly have the same talent level now as we did then
you mispelt "four bad years." HTH.
#firstworldproblems
Well 25 carries to 12 is roughly 2/3's.
I guess you're right...I was looking at what the backs are getting now...8 each, roughly...going with 3 backs (jcc, trey, travon) that's 24 carries total (a notch less than what we're actually running per game) and so thus I arrived at 16 carries for 2/3s
honestly, I can't remember them being in the pistol formation the whole game. Plays where they are moving laterally to the line of scrimmage before cutting up- that is a traditional shotgun formation. A pistol is a down hill running formation with the back aligned directly behind the QB. It looks like an eye, with the QB standing where a FB would normally be.
As for the deep threat issue, I really think this is a byproduct of Ford and Phillips having to play every rep. They have no legs by the end of the game. Same with Malleck and Hodges. The 2 WRs- someone has to step up here, and I would also like to see Cline get more reps and give Malleck and Hodges a wind.
Any insight as to why Cline isn't getting PT? I think we were all thrilled with his freshman year. That seems like ages ago...
On clip number 2...
Take a good look at the other receivers on the play. Ford came wide open up the sideline on a desperately long run corner blitz, and Phillips seems to have been left all alone for reasons I can't fathom.
Sure, Motley made a nice play, and got the much needed 4th and 2 to Hodges, but I can't help but wonder if he had already made his mind up to go there come hell or high water. ECU's D was handing that first to us, IMO. There were easy pitch and catch spots all over the place. I don't think it will be that easy the rest of the way.
I'm no expert, but it seems to me it's a lot easier to read the defense on a slow-motion video than in real life. I thought the concept was to read the routes in a prescribed order and throw the first one that is open. If Hodges was the first or second read, and Hodges was open, isn't Motley supposed to throw immediately (i.e. the ball on time to get the first down)? He doesn't have time to read all four or five receivers and then make up his mind, does he?
Depends on the read-order and delay. Motley's read is, or should be, Hodges-Ford-Malleck (left to right)...dump to Cam on the left sideline. Experienced QBs start from a side and work across, but they aren't only reading the coverage, they're projecting it. Inexperienced/nervous QBs generally have to read slower, hence all the "he's staring down receivers," "he's too slow in his reads," etc. Motley read Hodges, saw him covered, but didn't project, then went to his next read, Ford, tight man coverage, safety underneath, then Malleck, saw him open, and didn't project. If he projects, he sees that robber coverage, and knows he's covered, the same way he knows Hodges should be open over the top on the skinny post. This is where the game reps and understanding the offense really come in, the QB sees the present, and the future.
We are talking about two different plays, but I appreciate the information and analysis.
That is a great observation. On the INT deflection to Malleck, the safety read Motley going to his first read, and Ford broke open on a deep in route behind him. That was another example where if Motley is reading the safety (as he should) then he hesitates and gets Ford wide open for about 12 yards.
I think I may have read an article somewhere that felt a little differently. Oh here it is...
Random article from random site...
PS: No ill intent, I just thought it was funny.
So we all acknowledge that Shane is over his head in coaching the RB's - both in terms of their development and gameday management. But we also know that he's not going anywhere as long as the big whistle is in charge - we have to live with his hyperbole and that stupid boxing glove stick until there is a program change.
However, at what point is Lefty going to tell Shane what to do. This is his offense and he should be influencing (or over-riding) decisions on personnel that make his offense go. Whether its game planning during the week or a headset message of "NO - #whatever is staying in for this series!" he needs to take charge of the problem now.
That weird quote about Bud Foster not understanding Torrian Gray's decisions seems apropos here. I know you don't want to micromanage your subordinates as long as you're getting good performance from them. Torrian Gray has earned the right to make decisions without anyone -- even Bud Foster -- looking over his shoulder. But in my view Shane Beamer hasn't earned that right because his area of responsibility has consistently underperformed for his entire tenure. At some point there has to be accountability for that.
Am I the only one who read this as "hashtag whatever"? It really took me a moment to realize he was saying "number whatever".
WTH is wrong with me?
Kids today.
Kid? I'm a man! I'm forty(+four)!
I read it the same way.
and I'm 50.
Show of hands: who here thought at this time last year that right now Loeffler would be the coach we have the least to gripe about?
Anyone?
tensions are running really high at the moment....I guess a loss to a hated rival will do that to a fan base
The least? No. I assumed Bud and Torrian would still own that, but I did believe we wouldn't be hearing the Lefty hate aymore...now if we can just get rid of the twin "Beamer Co." anchors, one with coaching the other with relating to players...
I thought for sure Lefty would have alleviated most of the heat off of himself at this point. Check.
I also thought Bud would be fielding a very good ("one of his best" I thought might be a stretch with question marks at Mike and Rover, but I thought it'd be solid) defense. ....
I'm curious if anyone is even debating my original statement. Are any other coaches on our staff outperforming Loeffler at this point? Maybe Searels?
Well Loeffler's hands aren't clean when it comes to this running back rotation.
No, but that's why I said "the least to gripe about." If 450+ yards on a rainy, sloppy day with the backup QB is a bad day with a couple areas that need to be addressed, I'm ok with that, since I'm pretty sure things would have been much worse the past 5 years.
realistically what can Loeffler do about the RB rotation.. I would be interested in getting a hot take
Realistically, Loeffler can say, "Dammit, Shane, pick a guy, and leave him in for a while, or *I* will pick the guy."
Time for Loeffler to man up and tell Shane who's running the offense.
yeah but Loeffler has to know he's on a short leash....and nepotism
for all we know, though, Loeffler is the one who makes the call on the RB and Shane is just running with it. I doubt that, but it's possible. This is starting to become a dangerous topic because there is so much speculation regarding the governance of our running game. Nobody outside of the football team knows for sure who's calling the shots. Shane is the easy obvious target because he's the RB coach but Loeffler should be the one running this offense and making final decisions. I have to believe that if he had a real issue with the rotation he would have said something about it. At the same time, maybe he's looking at the raw numbers (YPG: 128, 299, 238, 158 respectively) and seeing production. If it ain't broke, don't break it.
I hope he has said something about it, and I hope he doesn't feel the need to share with the media or the fans.
The stated goal was to run for 200 yards each game. So far we've accomplished that (and more) against an FCS team and barely accomplished it against one of the worst rushing defenses in the FBS.
It is most definitely broken.
this!!!
if lefty sticks his neck out who knows what could happen.
Maybe him running Motley 19 times this past week was him possibly putting it out there?
If Shane/Lefty are looking at raw #'s then Travon should be RB1 because he's AVG 8 YPR vs 3.7 and 4.2.. Also McMillian has along run of 63 vs 35 and a whopping 10 for our so called starter..
Yeah, maybe you can put into words what I'm seeing. It seems to me that Loeffler connects his personnel very specifically to his play selection. Newsome is the obvious choice here, he isn't in to run slants and go routes. When he's in, you know what is coming. Seems to be the same with McMillian. I remember last year when Trey came back, he was the only one who ran that FB-fake-quick-pitch play. It was effective, but not once did we run it with any other TB.
Is it possible that Loeffler is driving the RB rotation? We want to run this set, we need this personnel.
Neither is CFB's. He was quoted as saying he is going to make sure J.C. Coleman isn't forgotten this year for what he did during the 4 game stretch last year. This conspiracy goes straight to the top.... IMO
The problem that Shane doesn't seem to think there is an issue at the RB position is frightening. I hate this platoon of RBs. Each of them are talented but he needs to pick one or two and go with it. I think it should be Travon and then either JCC or Trey. Travon should get the majority of the carries in my opinion as for the reasons you stated above. The fact that Shane doesn't see this as a problem is very discouraging. One would think he has to see that frequently rotating backs in and out doesn't work. A back doesn't even get a single drive to himself unless it's a 3 and out and sometimes not even then.
Glad to see the passing game is progressing and Motely is doing well. i look forward for it to improve next week against Pitt and hopefully the running game improves.
The way I've always seen it is that competition is great, not because you can throw all your guys in at will, but rather that everybody is making each other better, making one another work harder. Shane is catering to no one by trying to cater to everyone. Please, there's one best guy, and you've had a few years at this point to figure that out. I'd like nothing more next game than for McMillan to break a huge run up the middle to end the debate once and for all.
I've been encouraged so far this season, and continue to be even after ECU. Even though Mot can be dangerous with the "LT3" playbook, I like it better when he doesn't have to run 19 times a game. I'm hopeful that Searels absence had more of an impact than we all realize, and that was part of the reason Lefty ran Mot so much.
Win or lose against ECU, the Pitt game will determine a whole lot about the direction of our season and the expectations we can have. If the D can start performing better, I think we can win the division, which will make all Hokies happier than we are right now.
I hope Shane reads this post and makes changes on Saturday. I can't count how many times the last couple weeks I've watched Trey or JC completely miss the hole and run directly at the only free hitter to get dropped for no gain.
Its gotten so bad, Mrs. Fett Man voices her disgust as "I hate that play! It never works". (referring to any run that is not a sweep or QB sneak).