Associate athletics director for sports medicine Mike Goforth provided the following medical updates Monday afternoon:
LB Andrew Motuapuaka and S Der'Woun Greene - "We hope to get both players back this week".
CB Kendall Fuller - "Kendall's right knee is being re-evaluated today. Once further details are available on his status, we will pass along an update."
Mike Goforth from @VTsportmed confirms Fuller has been hampered by knee since camp
Will undergo further evaluation upon return home— VT Football (@VT_Football) September 26, 2015
RB Shai McKenzie - "In consultation with our medical staff, we don't believe Shai will continue to play this season. If Shai is unable to resume play, Coach Beamer will apply for a medical hardship waiver through the ACC. Shai underwent a second surgery on his right knee on Oct. 14, 2014 and will benefit from additional recovery time."
RB Marshawn Williams - "Originally had surgery on 12/16/14 for his left knee. His diagnosis was not only ACL, but he also had several other structures damaged during the injury. His expected recovery was anticipated to be in the 8-12 month range. While we are pleased with his progress, our medical team believes he will still require additional recovery time before he can be fully cleared to resume all football activities."
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It sucks for the team, but it is without a doubt in Kendall's best [financial] interests to declare for the draft ASAP. Happy to see Motuapuaka and Greene back in time for conference play (the 'regular season' if you will). (edit)
I didn't know greer was hurt I was wondering why he wasn't back there on kickoff returns I was really hoping a big return would spark us at some point. travon seemed to over run the ball every time. could have been the rain. but if the ball had hit him in the helmet and taken a different bounce it could have been disastrous!
I don't really know how we can come to that conclusion, with no more information than is available.
As tough as the NFL is, seems that another year of college conditioning and play might benefit him.
Yes, it's a guaranteed paycheck, but once you start that NFL career timer, it doesn't stop.
He's projected to be a first a round pick, so his draft stock can't go that much higher. He risks more staying at VT (in terms of injury) than he could gain (financially). Sure, another year of college conditioning could help, but he could get the same, if not better conditioning riding the bench in the NFL
All in all, looking at this from purely a financial/career standpoint, it makes sense for him to leave for the NFL. He may have other goals he wants to accomplish that require him to stay in Blacksburg longer, and that's fine, but from a football perspective, it's in his best interest to get to the NFL ASAP.
You don't think he'll be first-round the following year?
I don't think his stock drops if he stays in college another year, and it gives him another year of growth and development before "NFL-level" expectations, which come alongside NFL training.
He would also leave with a degree, which he may never have if he leaves early for the NFL.
If he misses 8-10 games in the last season before he declares, I think his stock falls.
I agree. And that's THIS year.
Which is why, if he misses that much time, he should stay. Get fully healthy, get that Jim Thorpe Award, and get drafted by the Packers so he can be in the same division as his brothers.
Alas, I think he will be snapped up long before the packers get an pick.
... unless the Packers trade up.
Here's 5 media outlets who have him going first round. The highest projection is 6 overall, lowest is 28th overall, average projection is low-mid teens. Dude is a baller, scouts and media members alike have taken notice.
Edit:
Barring a significant injury, I agree his stock won't drop, but I don't think it will go up either. I also don't believe there is any 'growth' or 'training' that he can get at VT that he cannot get in the NFL
Each snap he takes in college is one more opportunity for him to get injured BEFORE getting a pay check. It's a simple risk/reward calculation - the increased risk an extra college football season brings does not bring (enough) increased reward.
This argument does not apply to a potential first rounder. He will get ~$400k, maybe more, for one year of work. He can afford his fourth year of tuition should he need to.
All of that assumed that this season went as projected.
It didn't.
Fuller doesn't need money for a degree. The opportunity is what he has now.
I'm just saying it's not completely cut and dried. Fuller is a smart guy. He'll figure it out. And he'll be fine either way.
As a VT and college football fan, I'd like to see Fuller and Facyson rule in college for a year, and then go rule in the NFL.
I disagree. His skills are known, he's played two years. Note - of 5 sources I linked, 2 were released today, 2 more are 5 days old, and only 1 is from before the season started. I know these are just projections made by members of the media, so take your grain of salt if you please. I still believe that, barring an ACL tear, or an injury requiring serious recovery time, he is a first rounder.
I can't argue with this - If Kendall is unhappy with his performance this year, feels like he could do better, feel like he has more to prove to himself (a la Andrew Luck or Matt Barkley), or just wants to enjoy college for one more year, then I fully (no pun intended) support his decision to stay enrolled at VT. I would love to have him back, but he needs to do what's best for him.
I think it's premature to make these kinds of predictions.
We don't even know the extent of his current injury. I also seem to remember him being a little plagued by injury last season.
And we're both agreeing that he should do what's best for him. I just don't think we can possibly know what that is right now.
How good does it feel knowing that the young man's most trusted advisors are real live NFL players? I sometimes think, here is this poor 19-year-old kid with an agent whispering in one ear and Uncle Rico whispering in the other, how is he supposed to make such a crucial life-changing decision? Kendall certainly doesn't have that problem. I have no doubt his decision will be a wise one.
That's absolutely correct.
Kendall really has a lot going for him in every regard.
While premature, what else are we going to do?
If it were me, being injured for much of last year, then getting hurt this year...that would be all the more reason for me to head to the nfl, especially if he is still projecting a round 1 or 2 pick.
How many players have we seen that just arent the same after a devastating ACL injury or other bad one...what if he stays and next year has "the big one", out for the year, draft stock drops, possibly doesn't quite have "it" when he returns to being healthy.
As much as I'd love to see him back in orange and maroon next year, IMO, it'd be too much of a risk to come back
I disagree. This early in the season, many of those lists are based on name and buzz. Anyone who's watched the first few games where Kendall has gotten beaten pretty bad a few times would be hesitant to spend a first round pick, and I think that's the talk we'll hear closer to the draft. He'll either need one hell of a second half the season, or another year in school where he erases all doubt if he wants to go in the first 32. If the draft is today, between the injury concern and his play in the first 3 games, he's a third rounder at best. He'll need to time to prove that neither of those things will be a factor moving forward.
I just don't think 3 games outweighs two seasons. But, then again, I'm not an NFL scout.
I don't think it does, or necessarily should either, but recency bias is real. If the other big-time corners in this draft class have solid years and no injury concerns, they go off the board first, and I don't see 5 corners going in the first round. Declaring for the draft may be Kendall's best option, but it's unreasonable to expect a first round pick given his most recent performances. The most recent footage of note is him quitting on a double move by Michael Thomas for a TD. That's not going to help draft stock. So maybe he should take third round money now, but I think it'd be safer and wiser to stay, get a degree, light shit up his senior year, and go for the first round. Then again, I'm also not an NFL scout.
This is absurdly nearsighted. Nobody in their right mind has him slotted as a 3rd round pick because he got beat a few times by another future 1st round pick while injured, and got a PI because he got in position too late against Purdue. He will be fine, barring a very serious injury he won't drop out of the first round, he's more than proven himself. Also, every corner gets beat sometimes, it's the nature of the position, you are always at a disadvantage as a corner in man coverage.
If you get drafted in the first round, u aint riding the bench in the NFL. If so, you werent worth the pick unless you are a QB.
True - but it doesn't necessarily mean you're starting either.
The point is, any training he can get at VT, he can also get in the NFL, while being paid to do it.
Concur
I would really appreciate some transparency in regards to Kendall's knee. Opponents, God, and everyone know he's hurt, so I don't see why they aren't releasing the condition.
What knee injury is serious, require surgery to correct, but can be played on if the pain can be managed and can present as a less serious injury upon initial diagnosis?
Meniscus tear.
A meniscus tear isn't usually associated with a knee sprain, though. That's more along the line of knee bruising. My guess would be an MCL sprain, like Motuapuaka. That also doesn't require surgery.
You were right. I apologize.
Or it could be something with his patellar tendon. Although I might just be thinking that since my last injury involved my patellar tendon, and also wet leaves, a steep incline, and a 40 of steel reserve.
As merely a fan, I don't mind his condition/status not being released. We are done for (even more so) if opponents don't have to take Fuller into account for their game planning.
Enter Mook Reynolds!
No, really, I like what he did on Saturday.
Mook and Adonis could wreck some shit.
Mook has a heavy shoulder for sure...
First thought: Next years backfield competition should be strong. A lot of options coming back. If it's anything VT loves, its RB options galore. Hope these guys come back for a strong 1-2 punch to settle this committee approach.
My second thought: If Fuller really wants to protect his draft stock, he could play it real safe this year and bolt for a paycheck. As a VT fan, I'd be happy to see him fulfill his dream and sad to see him go. What-might-have-been duo of Facyson and Fuller, shame.
Oh boy
I was being serious. I know college football is all about spreading the rock, but we need a RB who says "I'm the man, you guys can fight for whatever carries are left". I think Juice or Shai can be that guy. Shai looked real strong pre-injury and if Juice can't be an every down back who we trust between the tackles, than I have ceased to understand what constitutes a power back.
I know you were serious, I was just referencing the "running back committee" rabbit hole that has been frequently visited lately.
you mean strong 1-2-3-4-5 punch
There's a fighting game combo joke in here somewhere.
I can almost see the punchline now
Well, ain't that a kick in the head...
I'd saying not having a 1,000 yard rusher and having a QB who has led the team in rushing 3 straight years (if you count this year so far) is enough of a joke; especially for a team that claims to want to line up and run it.
Reminded me of this...
Yep. Yep.
Sorry to hear about all these guys and best of luck on a full and quick healthy return.
edit:Well that edit makes this gif irrelevant now, shucks, good play Joe!
On a side note of sarcasm: I say we wrap up all our "toys" in bubble wrap and save them all till next year. Cause just wait till next year!! Right guys!?!
I hate that I was right about redshirting McKenzie. It should have been a no-brainer. Once again, a big time failure by the orthopedics staff.
I think Tech got lucky Shai didn't injure himself more, but it's really no harm, no foul as long as he gets the medical redshirt. If anything he got some actual work against on-the-field competition instead of just training and rehab sessions.
Could it be that the additional surgery is mostly cosmetic to make for a cleaner hardship case?
He had an additional surgery in 2014, but I don't know how that will affect his case in 2015. My guess was testing Shai's knee out the first couple of games was Beamer Co.'s strategy from the get go, and they probably felt good about getting him a medical redshirt. If not, then it was a very poor decision to play him at all.
Oh man, I mis read that badly. I thought they were saying he just had another surgery. I'm interested now whether Shai was the sole factor for why he even attempted to play because I don't see why the coaches would have rushed it.
Take this with all the salt you want, but there was major scuttlebutt out there that Shai was considering transferring if he was redshirted.
This guy knows whats up. Have an upvote I wasn't going to put that in my reply.
There are rumors that Shai was unwilling to take a redshirt this year - against the advice of the coaching staff, he was committed to playing in 2015. Potentially his limited playing time demonstrated to him that he is not fully healthy and this is in his best interest. But let's remember, red-shirting is a 2 way commitment.
So he would consider transferring because the coaches don't want him blowing out his ACL a third time and ending his football career? What part of that makes any sense?
Remember this is a kid who just turned 20, and probably thinks he's invincible, all evidence to the contrary notwithstanding. I don't know who he gets advice from or who he's accountable in his decision making, but we've all seen 20-year-olds make worse decisions.
I would assume he'd transfer because of Shane...but you know how the rumormill works...
Real concerned that we may not see Fuller again this year.
If my sprained knee might earn me a 6 million dollar salary in April, I may just shelve it, less it turn into an MCL tear.
Before the season started, I wanted to redshirt both Shai and Marshawn. There was no point in rushing back with Trey, JCC, and Travon as RB's, and Sam+ as a FB. Instead we invited confusion into our rb rotation with Shai.
Unfortunately this one isn't on our Staff. McKenzie did not want to redshirt and *sources* say forced the coaches hand. Luckily he won't have Coleman and his deplorable 7 carries for 13 yards and 1.9 ypc average in front of him next year.
How could he force their hands? He was almost off the team not that long ago.
Besides, he's torn both ACL's. How much of career can he really have left?
Just my opinion though.
See VTJ12's post above. That is correct FYI.
He almost forced their hands to kick him off the team, too.
Get healthy boys, don't risk your future for this team that is failing to live up to expectations again. Next man up...
amen, and hopefully, that next man up at RB is Travon McMillian, whom I think has been outstanding so far this year. what a pleasant surprise he's been.
Guess that would explain why Fuller hasn't looked like himself this year. Take a note from your brother Kendall. Sit out for however long you have to, then go get that paycheck
Burn it all down. Wake me up in February when recruiting gets interesting.
Boyd is going to have a field day if we put Stroman on him.
I bet the matchup this weekend is Facyson vs. Boyd.
As far as the other corner... nothing against Gray, but after this past weekend I hope Bud gets his way on Saturday and Reynolds or Edmunds starts opposite Facyson.
Or Riley
Sad to see Kendall out because I love watching him play. But I would rather wait until he is healthy to come back to protect his future, far more important than missing a few games.
And shoot, maybe if the NFL wants to see a full season of him healthy, he might even come back for one more year!
.... please?
Look at his Good Counsel High School film. NFL's probably drooling over that.
If Kendall's healthy, Kendall's a player. Nobody with a brain needs to see another year.
Complacency and apathy have set in (I think we ALL can see that now, as the ardent Beamer supporter I have been). Frank's tenure needs to be over, like now. He doesn't care about the wins/losses, the player's health, or the culpability of his staff. His only care appears to be positioning Shane to step in as his successor...a man who isn't qualified and hasn't shown the potential. It hurts to admit this, to be so wrong for so long. Frank isn't going to stand up for his players, he isn't going to require the staff to make the correct decisions, he isn't going to worry about the product on the field...what else can we call that? Complacency and apathy. Damn it hurts to admit his time has come.
I...
But...
Because of an injury status report?
I'm so confused as to how you got:
out of this injury report...or anything
Talk about your non sequitur replies...
I hate to be that person.. but exactly what did Shane see in JC that he needed more carries? 7 carries for 13 yards vs 5 carries for 30 yards..
That one play where he tried to run in between his blocker and the defender is enough for JC to apologize for taking up 7 carries
That was inexcusable. There was a small hole behind his blocker and he runs inbetween. That play along should have him riding pine on Saturday as he thinks about what he did.
I was thinking the same thing. Did JC apologize to Shane for having his longest run of the day go for 3 yards?
How is this relevant to an injury report?
not relevant to an injury report.. other than we now possibly will be adding a 4th rb to the rotation.
I can move it if needed..
Where do you get that we're adding a running back to the rotation? With the news that Shai is expected to apply for a medical hardship waiver, who would be the fourth back?
if Marshawn get's cleared he will be #4.. JC Trey Travon and Marshawn..
Didn't the comment that Marshawn "will still require additional recovery time" indicate a pending redshirt for him? I thought that was pretty evident.
well we will surely see but Shane says they would like to play him. therefore my comment about possibly seeing a 4th rb could turn out to be true. doesn't mean you're wrong either
Wait and see. It would shock me if they clear him to play, though. I think he's far from being game ready, even if the knee is cleared.
so if Shai is being red-shirted and he tore his ACL before Marshawn ? I know Shai's was a 2nd ACL but this isn't making any sense.
I honestly don't think we'll see either of them, and kind of took the quotes about each as confirmation of that. That's what surprised me about your comment of adding a fourth back to the rotation. Not that it would be unheard of, but that we just don't really have anybody left to add. I might be reading too far between the lines though.
who knows.. at this point Sam Rogers is our H Back and technically speaking he gets carries too.. so that could be a 4th.
The main issue is there's no reason to split carries 40/30/20/10 no other school does this in our conference.. I can see a 70/30 and even a 60/40 but what we're doing right now is pathetic.
IDK, the first 2 teams I pulled up split their carries 40, 30, 15 and 35, 35, 10, 10 among their 'top' backs, thats Miami and Louisville... the platoon system is more prevalent than most give it credit for. And in the absence of a clear #1 back I see nothing wrong with it
Splitting the carries between between 4 ball carriers basically makes it impossible to find a clear #1 back. Also, even when a back has shown the most flashes (like McMillan has) he still getting less carries than two other backs, which makes no sense.
I have no problem with McMillan getting a lot more carries, he's shown he deserves them, I'm not defending the coaches here.. I just keep reading how we should have one back get 80% of the carries, or how much better JCC would be if he were getting 20 carries a game etc etc.. That was the mentality in the 80s and 90s, but not really any more
I definitely agree that the days of the 25-30 carry/game RB are dying or dead. However, i just think splitting carries almost evenly amongst a mobile QB and 3 RB's is just begging for problems and inconsistent results. Especially when McMillan, who has shown the most explosiveness and consistency, as well the ability to catch the ball (i.e. the closest thing to a complete/feature back we have) seems to be getting the shortest end of the stick.
I also pointed out to someone else today, in all of FBS football, there are currently 19 running backs averaging 20+ carries per game. A defined #1 back is an increasingly rarity in the college game. We pretend we're the only program that does this, when in fact it's becoming the norm.
it was me you were replying to. One thing I've thought of since, is that more and more teams are going to the spread anyway. How many pro style teams are left? 17% is pretty low but it's not so rare that we shouldn't be doing it. And of the remaining 102 teams, how many have a 3 or 4 back rotation? In general, I would be okay with our RB averaging less than 20 CPG so long as they get 80% of the snaps. I think it's important for RBs to be in the game every snap to get into the groove. I keep citing JCC's performance down the stretch last year when I make this point. The only reason he was in the game so much was because of injury so there was nobody to rotate him out with. BUT, since he was in the game he got into a groove and he was productive. That's what this team is missing. The holes are there, the RBs just aren't hitting them confidently. They don't have that confidence because they're only in the game 1/4 of the time
80%? Damn, dude, that sounds high. I'd be worried about November burnout.
I think part of this is stemming from the fact that we simply aren't running our tailbacks a ton to begin with. Motley is by far our primary ball carrier at over 11 carries per game. Factor him out, we've got about 33.5 carries per game to distribute. Figure in Rogers getting a couple of touches a game, jet sweeps and garbage time carries by the backups, we're left with about 21 carries per game to give our tailbacks. That number is small enough to make even a two back rotation feel like the backs aren't getting utilized enough. With a three back rotation it's that much worse.
To be clear, I would personally prefer a two back rotation, with those two backs getting about 90% of the carries and not worrying so much about the division between them. But again, who do you bench out of our three back rotation? JCC and Trey stunk it up equally badly against ECU. Benching one over the other is unfair, plus benching over a single game performance is overly reactionary. Meanwhile there's McMillian, who shows all the upside in the world but is two seasons away from having been a QB his whole career. There's some trust issues there with the coaches for some reason, but he's been good enough to earn a fair share of the carries. You definitely don't bench him, but do you make him a feature back when you're worried about his development as a tailback?
There's no categorically wrong answer here. If JCC and/or Trey continue to struggle like they did against ECU, you demote them down the depth chart. That might wind up with McMillian as the feature back out of necessity. But this isn't as cut and dried as a lot of people are presenting it, is my general argument.
you make some great points. The rotation still irritates me and I think it's because we're subbing RBs in and out during each series. I think the RBs and offense both would benefit from having the SAME RB in the game for an entire series. If you have to split carries between 3 or 4 backs do it differently. Give JCC the first series with no substitutions (the caveat here, of course, is if he breaks off a long run and gets winded and wants a breather he can sub himself out...same for if he gets dinged up and needs a break) and continue on down the line. Give Trey the second series and give Macmillian the 3rd series. Rinse and Repeat. It just drives me nuts when the RBs get spot work and they're only in for 1 or 2 plays at a time and then getting swapped out again. How can you expect a rhythm player to get into a rhythm when they only get a couple of plays at a time?
I also don't see how this method of "playing to their strengths" benefits the players. They're not going to ever become complete backs if all they do is stuff that they're comfortable with and good at. Individuals don't grow without getting out of their comfort zones. It may result in some growing pains and missteps along the way, but if you give a single back all of the responsibilities and ask him to work on the areas where he struggles and give him a chance to work those areas that's the only way he can grow and improve as a RB and make his game more well-rounded. This "play to the strength" mentality is cutting these kids at the knee. None of these guys are ever going to make it to the NFL if all they do is run a handful of snaps each game, particularly when those snaps are designed around what they're good at. They're being pigeon-holed into specific roles. How is that good for them and their development?
not to mention it telegraphs plays based solely on personnel.
But what percentage of FBS football teams give their #1 back less than 40% of the handoffs? On average, how many snaps does the #1 back spend on a bench per game? I understand these questions aren't easy to collect data for, but I'd wager it's pretty unusual for a program to split snaps/carries (relatively) evenly for three different RBs.
EDIT: see new post
Ha! That was the first observation I made when I looked at CWbtJ's chart.
I am putting a spreadsheet together for all the ACC schools and the RB breakdown. only will look at rb's who've gotten 10+ carries so far as that seems to be a fair amount for 3 games.
20+ carries a game is a ton for a College back.. I can see coaches riding the hot hand game by game: at VT we get neither.
Oh my glob I love spreadsheets!
Not sarcastica. I really am that big a nerd.
Please share when you get it done. I wanna see this.
do look its up under ACC- RB splits by team (Stats included).. nothing too fancy but it puts everything in 1 place to see..
He should apologize for slamming JC into a wall 7 times to leave us with a 2nd an 8 on seemingly every series.
Seriously, every single first down turned into 2nd and 8 on Saturday.
Edit: Just realized this was in the injury report thread. I'm confused.
His point was, JC was better than Trey and his 5 carries for 8 yds and 1.6 ypc average. He should have given JC 3 of Trey's carries then given Trey some of Travon's carries. Hey guys stop worrying about this, it was only an exhibition against ECU. This week JC and Trey will at least have 2 yds per carry and Travon won't get but 2 carries. Because #ACCGAMESMATTER
Not sure if you were kidding, but he said he wants to give "all his RBs more carries". Basically, it's not about performance anymore, just appeasing everyone. Next year, McClease will be getting 2 to 3 carries per game regardless of how good or bad he his.
The best thing that could happen right now is if literally everyone except one or maybe two of our RBs gets injured so that we can get someone a majority of the carries and give him the opportunity to get into a groove like JC did last year.
He's the armchair QB, just let him have his space.
Good call. Isn't that what we all do on any message board?
To a certain extent, absolutely. I guess I'm a little tired of the confidence/arrogance I've seen recently from people claiming to know far more than coaches (of any team and on any board, not limited to VT or TKP). The internet is certainly a good place to discuss all things football, including whether we agree with what the coaches are doing or not, but recently I would've thought there's a couple thousand Saban/Meyer types out there who choose not to coach college football but could easily win back to back to back championships if they chose to. Sorry, I'll get off my soapbox now.
Here's to hoping we see some real fight on Saturday. Go Hokies.
Fuck yea we will. Its a conference game. #ACCChampionship
Might be my new favorite gif.
Of course I was fucking kidding. We have the best RB we have sitting behind two guys that averaged 1.9 and 1.6 ypc.
EDIT: 1.9 and 1.6 ypc Respectively
Welcome to the internet. Insane comments are offered as legitimate analysis so often, it's nearly impossible to figure out who's being serious.
You're starting to make me wish this place had an ignore option.
Oh do you not share my opinions? I'm sorry you are correct JC and Trey are fabulous running backs. Just trying to be PC for everyone.
Okay, fair, they had a bad game. McMillian has looked good when they decide to give him the rock.
Will elicit a negative response.
That is putting it mildly: http://espn.go.com/college-football/team/stats/_/id/259/virginia-tech-ho...
So let me get this straight using a sarcastic remark gets a negative response? I thought that is what this place was built on?
I was trying to illustrate why you got the response you did. Hell, I just took the side you're on and still got a snide response for not taking a hard enough stance.
Sorry if it came out that way. It wasn't meant to be snide at all I guess that is just how it is coming off. I was saying I thought that sarcastica was what this place was built on. Just like VT was built on Defen......................
Wishing injuries on our players is most definitely not the best thing that could happen.
this baffles me
Shane seriously needs to work for another coaching staff as a Running Backs Coach. I doubt very much if this platoon system would fly at any other P-5 program. I like Shane but I just don't think he the right fit for the position he has right now.
So he wants the platoon of RB's?? This rotation isn't going to stop. I thought he talked about going more with the guy who gets into a rythym pre-season. However, how can anyone get into a rythym when they are switching out every few plays. This makes me hope we don't get any good rb recruits so that we have to play just 2 backs cause that's all we have. If you're going to get JCC more carries then is he your number 1 guy?? If so then stick with him. Did he apologize to McMillan for only getting him 5 carries or whatnot?? He had less the JCC but had better output. This is bizzaro world with our RBs. It's like a bad episode of the twilight zone or something.
So in saying that I don't expect the running game to show any improvement anytime this year.
Over/Under for Tyler Boyd:
Catches: 10.5
Yds: 175 yds
TDs: 1.5
9 catches for 182 yards and 2 scores
Oh I'm sorry you are bored by others starting conversation. I thought it was actually a very good question. But of course everything is fine with our team after all we are onto ACC games. #ACCChampionship
Edit Uh oh somebody spoke back to the all powerful French grab your pitchforks, tar and feathers.
LOL, Also if you leave a downvote please leave a comment as to why you think its OK for French to down others post and its not ok do the same to him back. Talk about elitism.
I didn't downvote but if I had to take a guess I would say because you are being intentionally inflammatory with your commenting. It doesn't bother me because as you know this is the internet and people have differing opinions. It's also hard to ask people not to be inflammatory about something they are passionate about.
Thank you for your response dear sir have a up vote and remember #ACCChampionship
Down voted, because it seems as though you've gone out of your way to be an ass to everyone you've come in contact with here for going on 24 hours now.
I didn't downvote, but I thought about it because there is already enough negativity/doom and gloom/whatever else throughout this site today as it is, and a good bit of it has been from you, as you have been a frequent commenter today. There wasn't any real need to add another "we're bad and will continue to be bad" comment.
VT_StArScReAm is the same person as HokieBengal who had been community banned once before. I figured he would come back and play nice, but nope.
I want to make it clear he wasn't banned for his opinion of Frank Beamer. matthona put it the best below, "you've gone out of your way to be an ass to everyone you've come in contact with here for going on 24 hours now." It's okay to have a negative opinion regarding the coaching staff and the direction of the program. However, like all other viewpoints, please express it intelligently and don't attack other posters.
You banhammered a super double triple platinum diamond Hokie? And I thought AJ had balls for kicking that punt...
I'm trying to think if there is anything in this world that makes me as miserable as vt_starscream is over Hokie football. Maybe the dentist? No.... that's not even that bad.
I didn't say anything. I am rolling your eyes at your blatant trolling. I can't debate something that isn't grounded in anything that is debatable. Maybe Tyler Boyd catches 12 passes, maybe he won't. But, you aren't posting anything besides you are not happy with the state of the football program. So, write "I am not happy with the state of the football program" and then move along, rather than throwing out a bunch of nonsense to find validation of your opine.
I'll man up...I downvoted you....not because i disagree with everything you always say...but quite frankly... no matter what it is you're saying, you almost always seem to just be trying to be combative, and looking to then play the butthurt role, instead of having a meaningful intelligent discussion. That's all I have to say, and I'm not going to take this any further with you.......remember you asked for the downvote expalination, and i have provided it.
Hard to say, but the current top receiver in the ACC will be on our sideline next week
Looks at the top five for yards receiving.
VT - UVA - UVA - Wake - Miami
We just can't get a break this year. Even when we're on top, we're still in terrible company! :)
Shane as a RB coach is becoming a joke. Sounds like he's trying to be their friend more than an actual coach.
If a player thinks they are ready to come back from an injury, and you don't then it's your responsibility to tell them to sit, and heal, and not let them tell you what they are going to do.
If Shai was that hellbent on playing, then we should have told him that if he's not going to listen to his coaches than it is probably best that he go elsewhere.
*Has been a joke for years.
I agree wholeheartedly. While I understand that college football is not the game today that it was in yesteryear, there is no percentage in letting the inmates run the asylum. Not that we do that, but I use it just as an illustrative phrase. If your coach is telling you to play even though you are injured, this is obviously not right and you are entitled to disagree, and even disobey that coach. When the coaching staff and the training staff are telling you that you are not ready to play, for your sake, and by extension the sake of the team, then you are wrong to try to blackmail the coach into playing you. I understand that the money thing is big, and these are highly motivated and competitive athletes many of whom think they're NFL bound, the sooner the better, but if you aren't willing to listen to the professionals, and aren't willing to put your future health and mobility, and the good of the team first, well then you have some growing up to do. I want to keep these guys on our team for selfish reasons, but I really don't like the idea of players trying to manipulate the staff with threats of leaving if they don't get their way. Just doesn't sit well with this old Hokie.
Yeah. I would like to know more about this "Shai forced their hand" idea. It's either incorrect or too bizarre for words.
Also, with regards to the RB rotation and making sure someone is always fresh, like Shane says, why then do we continue to run Ford and Phillips to death?
If it doesn't make sense to pull Ford or Phillips then it shouldn't make sense to pull a RB out after 2 carries.
I think Ford and Phillips are in there so much mostly out of necessity. Big drop off between those two and the next best receiver.
Which is frightening. Need to keep those guys fresh and healthy down the stretch.
TG just said Fuller "needs surgery for his knee"
https://twitter.com/normwood/status/648994464006991872
Edit: on iPad can't embed.
That sounds really bad.
Sumanabitch.
I hope I am wrong, but I think this is going to be a really long season.
Why isn't he drinking yet? Did he not see that Fuller was out for the season!?
Yay.