I think UT is almost where they want to be. Butch Jones has done a pretty good job with that program IMO. So I'll say, we have a new coach. UT doesn't.
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Yeah, I watched. I still think they are in a decent spot. Pretty close to where they want to be. They are competing week-in and week-out in the SEC. Not to mention I think they just brought in a top-10 recruiting class. I think Jones gets one more year regardless of how this year plays out for them.
Edit: I have a lot of friends who are huge UT fans and they love Butch Jones. It's not like in the past where the were in shit-creek with Derek Dooley
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Neither. Beamer is too stubborn and as much as I like Whit I don't think he can pull the cord before Bristol. I think the long term plan since Whit got here has been for Beamer to gracefully step down after the 2016 season. I'm not sure Whit is prepared to make that change a year early
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I agree, unless something really crazy happens, I think the Bristol game will have Frank coaching next season. I expect they will announce at the end of this season that next will be Franks last.
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All the people saying Butch Jones is safe, I'm not sure you understand how irrational the Tennessee fanbase can be when they're losing. Butch Jones has yet to get a signature win for the Vols, despite having a 4th quarter lead in several potential ones. I'm not saying he's done, but a losing season this year and I doubt he's retained. Plus the AD at Tennessee is an idiot, so don't think some rational thought like a bottom line would prevent his firing. Bristol could very possibly be two brand new coaching staffs on the sidelines.
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Their schedule is front loaded. They will look better in the second half of the season and return a lot of talent. Even irrational fanbases can have their fill of turnover.
Not just too much turnover, they have really struggled to fill the position the last few times it has been open. Nobody is in a hurry to go through the fifth choice cycle again.
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Yeah, but... Arkansas. I mean, Arkansas is on its way to becoming Vanderbilt Redux under Bielema. This was supposed to be a gimme win for Jones.
And as for turnover and difficult coaching searches, rationally I agree with you 100%. But there is no overestimating Dave Hart's ineptitude. It would not surprise me to see him pull the trigger on a losing season.
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If Tech has a losing record ( very likely ) CFB doesn't deserve a ceremonial victory tour next year. Just delays the inevitable and getting a fresh start. Maybe last year or even this year but enough is enough. If he has an agreement with Whit, CFB should be man enough to step aside for the good of the program.
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I honestly believe Whit will force him out and make it look like a mutual decision. Frank might think he still has leverage over the AD, but Weaver Whit ain't. I don't think Whit will hesitate one second to fire a hall of fame coach to protect VT athletics' bottom line.
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I'm not 100% sold on that. If we make a bowl, I think Frank tries to make a play for another season. But if we put up our first losing season since '92, I think Frank might willingly step aside of his own accord.
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Let me clarify my statement. I believe Frank is gone after this season either way. I also believe he should be gone either way. It's time.
I was responding to the comment that it has already come to the point that Whit will have to force Frank out. I believe that stepping down might be Frank's idea if he fails to keep the bowl streak alive. If we make a bowl (no sure bet, and I agree with your sentiments about what that implies about us as a program) then I think Frank will lobby to get another season.
At no point was I saying what I think should happen. As to that, Frank needs to go.
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O I was pretty sure of that. With all of these threads you get a pretty clear picture of who's on what side and older threads can see who and why people are moving over.
It wasn't directed at all to you, it was to the idea you stated, that has been a theme now for 4 years
Who's ready for 2014, whoops, I meant Who's ready for 2015, sorry, really though, I meant Who's ready for 2016!!!!!!!!!!!!
After building up 2014 as the season to rebuild in to 2015 success
Yet now 2015 is the building for 2016 success
Goals and when they were the Goals of VT
National Championship Game 1999 - 2004
ACC Champions 2007 - 2010
ACC Championship Game 2007 - 2013
Jan 1 Bowl Game 1995 - 2011
A Bowl Game 1993 - 2015
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maybe your mindset will change after we get beat up by NC State.
It's possible. If I see zero effort out of us for the rest of the year and listless overall performance, then maybe I'll say the time has come. If our guys have bad attitudes then we'll look more like USCe in the last Lou Holtz years than the Virginia Tech teams I've grown to know well. I don't think we'll get to that, though, because I don't think the players will bring that kind of attitude, especially the leadership types - Sam especially.
As much as I think it is time to step down, I still think Frank should get to stay until the end of next year. He has earned that much in my BookOnATreadmill.
As for Tennessee, Butch Jones took over a Tennessee program that needed a lot of help. In his first two seasons he won 5 and then 7 games, including a bowl. Looking at their schedule, I could see another 7-8 win season.
Tennessee looks like they have a lot more fight than they did in the Dooley years, and has 'good' losses to OK and FL. Sure, the Arkansas loss looks bad, and he'll probably lose vs UGA and @ Bama the next two weeks, but the last five games are all eminently winnable. I don't think Tennessee wants to hit the reset button over and over, so even if this season isn't national championship caliber, I think Jones will be back at least until next year.
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As frustrating as it is, I agree. Frank has different rules applied to him (agree or hate, that's another discussion.) He was instrumental in the bristol deal and will be on the sidelines for that game.
That being said, we may be in a decent position. Instead of firing a coach and trying to scramble to find a warm body that's available during bowl season, we have 1.5 seasons to look around and run the flag up the pole.
I honestly believe the job is a good one. We are in the ACC, with an AD committed to the program and school, great location, proven commitment to football, a solid bball coach now...
Start the application and review process now. Outside of the current regime.
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Right, but a currently employed coach jumping up a level (what I assume your taking about) will be snatched up by another team looking for answers. And what about the coaching search requires more than a few months time to offer? Start looking now and send out private feelers. Do an interview around/before bowl time, announce hire well before signing day to allow them to recruit. Its the tried and true formula all the big boy programs use, should work for us to without needing to drag it out needlessly
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I agree with you. Start it now, make the hire after next season. I don't believe frank is going anywhere so a change won't be made before Dec 2016.
And it doesn't have to be a coach moving up. Could be from another big program. Knowing that the VT job will be open will allow ALL to get their things in order to come to Blacksburg.
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He gets however long it takes Whit to find his replacement. His timeline gets dramatically shortened as a result of ECU and Pitt. It would take a pretty huge turnaround to change any of that, and I'm not expecting it.
I don't care if he helped arrange the Battle of Bristol. That's irrelevant to the discussion.
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December 2015 make the announcement, there's no reason to wait till 2016. If we make it to a bowl game, it can be his going away game. Otherwise uva this year should be his last
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What if I told you not being a Top 15 school is why we are in need of a new coach.
And THATS A HUGE PLUS.
Look at the Top 25 and tell me how the coaches got there as the schools weren't Top 25 teams. Most of the Coaches there are there for the fact of a Team rebuild.
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That being said, we may be in a decent position. Instead of firing a coach and trying to scramble to find a warm body that's available during bowl season, we have 1.5 seasons to look around and run the flag up the pole.
nerf, this is exactly what I'm thinking. If we were to let Frank go, we'd only have the candidates available that are available this off-season. Instead, give ourselves two off-seasons (this year and next) to make it known that a vacancy will exist in Blacksburg. Who knows which coaches will be available next off-season. Keeping Frank for 2016 is a low-risk scenario. Let's not put ourselves in a regrettable position.
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The current state of the program is one of two places the program might have found itself this year, and should be a surprise to nobody. The big tip off was last year's loss to Wake Forest.
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I agree. Beamer has to make the ACC tournament to survive.
That's why he thinks non-conference games were "pre-season"
Beamer makes way too much money to call the shots. If he were working for free, he'd get to stay for the Battle at Bristol. He isn't. He got his road, and he got his rebuild.
I still trust Whit to do the right thing, and Beamer to be gone at the end of this season. Any other solution creates this (actually, it has already been created. But the torches are getting brighter, and I've got to believe the pressure is mounting):
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Simple. Neither. What does UT have to offer other than an SEC also-ran? One national title in the BCS era? There are cetain SEC states that draw on huge populations of high school talent, and Tennessee is not one of them. Outside of Fulmer, they were nothing, and are nothing. They are like Missouri without the new SEC gloss.
VT will need a new coach soon, but Beamer will be the coach next year and will step down before he is fired, but it won't be this year or before the end of next year.
Firing Beamer does not improve recruiting, location, prestige, or program history. When VT gets a new coach, it will be like hitting the reset button. We will be starting OVER, not going back to the mid 2000's. Maybe we float, but we might sink.
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Not every school is stuck in the mud in 1990's Football. Beamerball/Franks Coaching style isn't college football. It needed to be changed years ago. Frank can't recruit really good players because his system isnt working anymore and no one wants to be in it.
Firing Beamer does not improve recruiting, location, prestige, or program history.
Not one bit, and not one bit of it matters to next year's football team. Again it's not 1980;s football. I wonder if TCU or UCLA and Baylor or Oregon and Michigan State and Utah and Clemson all feel they can't succeed cause of that. But I saw how the 9 time National champions Pitt team is stomping up the competition again this year thanks to all of that location, prestige, and program history
We will be starting OVER, not going back to the mid 2000's
Right and if you told me that as I said this to you in 2009 or 2010 I would agree with you. But really?!?! It's 2015 and we lost to the 9 time National champions Pitt team for the 5th time in 6 years. And We Have a losing home record over the last 4 years? Starting over could easily leave us in the same spot we are in now
New coaches tend to have a bad year at good schools for a couple of reason's
1. Unable to find an identity and identify as a team with the new coach.
VT has lacked an identity outside the Bear defense for a while now
2. Top players and recruits transfer and leave the team Roster empty of game changing talent
VT Top players are gone this year and next year (Kendall?) and poor recruiting has most players playing at VT because that's where they want to be. This is Home
3. Coaching changes don't align with players recruited to a system
VT players will be just fine with any one besides Paul Johnson. Can you imagine what pass happy coach would do to Ford and Caleb and Phillips outlook on VT
4. Coaches exceeding in the MAC or AAC are brought in to a Power 5 team on great hype from previous results but the tougher competition isnt the same
VT has a pretty weak schedule in the ACC so i don't expect that to hurt to much
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New coaches normally have the most excitement and best recruiting classes in their first two years.... And with how bad we are looking do you not want to hit the reset button?
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Someone asked Butch Jones for a dollar. He said he was only good for 3 quarters. When you're a VT fan living in Bristol the UT jokes are endless.
But unless we don't make it to a bowl this season (which is a likely possibility) or basically don't win another game, I think Beamer will be around and 2016 will be his last season. I think he really wants to be there for the Battle at Bristol game and will leave after that season on his own accord. While he considers non-conference games "exhibition games" that could be his last chance at a schedule that really has some emphasis games... And yeah, Tennessee fans are calling for Butch Jones' head right now. Apparently he has the same record now that Dooley did. I actually like Butch Jones though. He seems like a great guy.
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I'd assume he would care so much because it will be the largest college football game ever (over 150,000) meaning most of the country will be watching and it will be HUGE for recruiting. There are people coming from all over the country who don't prefer either team just because it's such a big deal. It's just an experience in and of itself to be a coach for that game... Also, Beamer's came to Bristol before. He knows that the UT/VT rivalry is huge around these parts. I'm not kidding, there are stores and restaurants devoted to the rivalry. He knows that's a big deal to a lot of fans. This has been something that the fans have wanted forever. 17 years ago, Bruton Smith, the chairman and CEO of Speedway Motorsports Inc., offered both schools $20 million apiece to play the game in Bristol. I just think he'd want to stick around for that.
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You are correct. But why should it be his choice whether he sticks around or not? Arrogance and no concern for anything but himself at this point. It will be Whits decision not Franks. He should have shown some class and stepped down to prevent this uncomfortable situation.
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Oh, yeah, I definitely agree with you. I just meant that I think if it's his own choice, he'll only stick around until after the 2016 season. I've been in the crowd that's been looking for coaching changes for 3 years now. Things are unacceptable at this point in time.
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BofB should have been Beamer's game to coach, but we're stinking too much. (Which I am pained to say.)
BUT.....If I'm Whit, I'm on the phone to his short list candidates and I'm hyping the BofB as a draw: ' Come be the head coach at VT and your first game will be the largest ever CFB game!'
Whit could use it to sell a potential candidate to help hire his staff and recruit.
But this will all have to be organized in the next few months and then announced before year-end ideally.
IMHO.
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Do what Utah did when Urban was leaving and have two head coaches. Beamer gets his last game in Bristol and the win and game added to his list and the new coach starts off there.
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Why? It'll just make getting a good new hc more difficult with no real payoff other than some warm fuzzies that will be promptly forgotten after a few weeks
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Umm what? Why would it make getting a HC more difficult? Frank would be nothing more than a figurehead, the new HC picks his staff, agrees to his salary and starts.
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I've shared this before, but I wanted to share it again just because I've been really excited about the Battle at Bristol game lately with all of ticket sales hype:
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I think UT is almost where they want to be. Butch Jones has done a pretty good job with that program IMO. So I'll say, we have a new coach. UT doesn't.
Tennessee just lost at home to Arkansas. It was Bret Bielema's first conference road win in the SEC.
Butch Jones might not survive the season.
Yeah, I watched. I still think they are in a decent spot. Pretty close to where they want to be. They are competing week-in and week-out in the SEC. Not to mention I think they just brought in a top-10 recruiting class. I think Jones gets one more year regardless of how this year plays out for them.
Edit: I have a lot of friends who are huge UT fans and they love Butch Jones. It's not like in the past where the were in shit-creek with Derek Dooley
Neither. Beamer is too stubborn and as much as I like Whit I don't think he can pull the cord before Bristol. I think the long term plan since Whit got here has been for Beamer to gracefully step down after the 2016 season. I'm not sure Whit is prepared to make that change a year early
I agree, unless something really crazy happens, I think the Bristol game will have Frank coaching next season. I expect they will announce at the end of this season that next will be Franks last.
Butch Davis will still be at Tennessee.
Yeah, they gave up 4th qtr leads, but it's not like they've lost to bad teams.
Oklahoma just put a good whooping on the cousins, and Florida annihilated Ole Miss.
As for Frank, remains to be seen. Depends on how the rest of this year plays out
Butch Jones vs Brian Harsin
Bryan Harsin is probably not leaving Boise
Buzz Williams is probably not leaving Marquette
Correct me if I'm wrong, but Marquette was not Buzz Williams' Alma Mater
Buzz wanted a challenge too...Harsin wants BSU to be great....he went to...Texas?...and those guys were annoyed by how much he talked about BSU...
Michigan wasn't Rich Rods, but he left WVU. Money talks. If we're willing to pay.
The question isn't whether we can get Harsin to leave Boise but whether we could get him before SoCal or USC or Texas can get him.
He doesn't want to be at Texas....he wants to be on the West coast.
All the people saying Butch Jones is safe, I'm not sure you understand how irrational the Tennessee fanbase can be when they're losing. Butch Jones has yet to get a signature win for the Vols, despite having a 4th quarter lead in several potential ones. I'm not saying he's done, but a losing season this year and I doubt he's retained. Plus the AD at Tennessee is an idiot, so don't think some rational thought like a bottom line would prevent his firing. Bristol could very possibly be two brand new coaching staffs on the sidelines.
Their schedule is front loaded. They will look better in the second half of the season and return a lot of talent. Even irrational fanbases can have their fill of turnover.
Not just too much turnover, they have really struggled to fill the position the last few times it has been open. Nobody is in a hurry to go through the fifth choice cycle again.
Yeah, but... Arkansas. I mean, Arkansas is on its way to becoming Vanderbilt Redux under Bielema. This was supposed to be a gimme win for Jones.
And as for turnover and difficult coaching searches, rationally I agree with you 100%. But there is no overestimating Dave Hart's ineptitude. It would not surprise me to see him pull the trigger on a losing season.
If Tech has a losing record ( very likely ) CFB doesn't deserve a ceremonial victory tour next year. Just delays the inevitable and getting a fresh start. Maybe last year or even this year but enough is enough. If he has an agreement with Whit, CFB should be man enough to step aside for the good of the program.
I agree. Unfortunately, I don't see Frank stepping down. I think he's out of touch
I honestly believe Whit will force him out and make it look like a mutual decision. Frank might think he still has leverage over the AD, but Weaver Whit ain't. I don't think Whit will hesitate one second to fire a hall of fame coach to protect VT athletics' bottom line.
Whit seems like a business savvy dude. So I gotta agree with you. I just hope it doesn't come to that.
It already has.
I'm not 100% sold on that. If we make a bowl, I think Frank tries to make a play for another season. But if we put up our first losing season since '92, I think Frank might willingly step aside of his own accord.
See how you say that...see that right there says its true
You didn't say if we make the Orange Bowl. Or if we make the Playoff.
If we make a bowl was LITERATELY where we were in 2013 and 2014 was injuries but as long as we make a bowl.
76 of 128 D1 teams will play in a Bowl Game. 60% of teams will play in a bowl game just for playing every game on there schedule
If we make a bowl...has got to stop being the line
Hold up.
Let me clarify my statement. I believe Frank is gone after this season either way. I also believe he should be gone either way. It's time.
I was responding to the comment that it has already come to the point that Whit will have to force Frank out. I believe that stepping down might be Frank's idea if he fails to keep the bowl streak alive. If we make a bowl (no sure bet, and I agree with your sentiments about what that implies about us as a program) then I think Frank will lobby to get another season.
At no point was I saying what I think should happen. As to that, Frank needs to go.
O I was pretty sure of that. With all of these threads you get a pretty clear picture of who's on what side and older threads can see who and why people are moving over.
It wasn't directed at all to you, it was to the idea you stated, that has been a theme now for 4 years
Who's ready for 2014, whoops, I meant Who's ready for 2015, sorry, really though, I meant Who's ready for 2016!!!!!!!!!!!!
After building up 2014 as the season to rebuild in to 2015 success
Yet now 2015 is the building for 2016 success
Goals and when they were the Goals of VT
National Championship Game 1999 - 2004
ACC Champions 2007 - 2010
ACC Championship Game 2007 - 2013
Jan 1 Bowl Game 1995 - 2011
A Bowl Game 1993 - 2015
Absolutely. Virginia Tech football has been a demonstration of the law of diminishing returns lately.
Both teams will have the same coaches
No way this happens. We're going to have to somehow get to ACC title game for that.
If Beamers comments of OOC games don't matter and conference games do and we fail to get to Charlotte for the last 5 years he's done with.
You don't keep a coach whose won 4 games against P5 teams in the last 2-3 years just to coach 1 game at a racetrack.
It's ok though maybe your mindset will change after we get beat up by NC State.
It's possible. If I see zero effort out of us for the rest of the year and listless overall performance, then maybe I'll say the time has come. If our guys have bad attitudes then we'll look more like USCe in the last Lou Holtz years than the Virginia Tech teams I've grown to know well. I don't think we'll get to that, though, because I don't think the players will bring that kind of attitude, especially the leadership types - Sam especially.
As much as I think it is time to step down, I still think Frank should get to stay until the end of next year. He has earned that much in my BookOnATreadmill.
As for Tennessee, Butch Jones took over a Tennessee program that needed a lot of help. In his first two seasons he won 5 and then 7 games, including a bowl. Looking at their schedule, I could see another 7-8 win season.
Tennessee looks like they have a lot more fight than they did in the Dooley years, and has 'good' losses to OK and FL. Sure, the Arkansas loss looks bad, and he'll probably lose vs UGA and @ Bama the next two weeks, but the last five games are all eminently winnable. I don't think Tennessee wants to hit the reset button over and over, so even if this season isn't national championship caliber, I think Jones will be back at least until next year.
Beamer earned his current rebuild. It obviously didn't work. The team has more talent and less fire than they had LAST year.
I think this is his last year.
And that really is the only debate, right? This year or next?
I have enough faith in Whit and Beamer to do the right thing that I see Beamer leaving before he absolutely has to.
As frustrating as it is, I agree. Frank has different rules applied to him (agree or hate, that's another discussion.) He was instrumental in the bristol deal and will be on the sidelines for that game.
That being said, we may be in a decent position. Instead of firing a coach and trying to scramble to find a warm body that's available during bowl season, we have 1.5 seasons to look around and run the flag up the pole.
I honestly believe the job is a good one. We are in the ACC, with an AD committed to the program and school, great location, proven commitment to football, a solid bball coach now...
Start the application and review process now. Outside of the current regime.
A good hc isn't waiting around 1.5 years. Start the process (publicly) immediately after the uva game at latest
I'm not expecting an unemployed coach to take over. I'm anticipating a long process given where we are and the current coaching situation.
While it may not be a top 15 job in the country, it's a solid position. It should be a step up for all but a handful of current coaches.
Right, but a currently employed coach jumping up a level (what I assume your taking about) will be snatched up by another team looking for answers. And what about the coaching search requires more than a few months time to offer? Start looking now and send out private feelers. Do an interview around/before bowl time, announce hire well before signing day to allow them to recruit. Its the tried and true formula all the big boy programs use, should work for us to without needing to drag it out needlessly
I agree with you. Start it now, make the hire after next season. I don't believe frank is going anywhere so a change won't be made before Dec 2016.
And it doesn't have to be a coach moving up. Could be from another big program. Knowing that the VT job will be open will allow ALL to get their things in order to come to Blacksburg.
You're NOT LISTENING.
Beamer doesn't get another year "just because".
He gets however long it takes Whit to find his replacement. His timeline gets dramatically shortened as a result of ECU and Pitt. It would take a pretty huge turnaround to change any of that, and I'm not expecting it.
I don't care if he helped arrange the Battle of Bristol. That's irrelevant to the discussion.
December 2015 make the announcement, there's no reason to wait till 2016. If we make it to a bowl game, it can be his going away game. Otherwise uva this year should be his last
What if I told you not being a Top 15 school is why we are in need of a new coach.
And THATS A HUGE PLUS.
Look at the Top 25 and tell me how the coaches got there as the schools weren't Top 25 teams. Most of the Coaches there are there for the fact of a Team rebuild.
nerf, this is exactly what I'm thinking. If we were to let Frank go, we'd only have the candidates available that are available this off-season. Instead, give ourselves two off-seasons (this year and next) to make it known that a vacancy will exist in Blacksburg. Who knows which coaches will be available next off-season. Keeping Frank for 2016 is a low-risk scenario. Let's not put ourselves in a regrettable position.
That should have been the strategy last year,, if it didn't already happen behind the scenes
I agree.
The current state of the program is one of two places the program might have found itself this year, and should be a surprise to nobody. The big tip off was last year's loss to Wake Forest.
I agree. Beamer has to make the ACC tournament to survive.
That's why he thinks non-conference games were "pre-season"
Beamer makes way too much money to call the shots. If he were working for free, he'd get to stay for the Battle at Bristol. He isn't. He got his road, and he got his rebuild.
I still trust Whit to do the right thing, and Beamer to be gone at the end of this season. Any other solution creates this (actually, it has already been created. But the torches are getting brighter, and I've got to believe the pressure is mounting):
Simple. Neither. What does UT have to offer other than an SEC also-ran? One national title in the BCS era? There are cetain SEC states that draw on huge populations of high school talent, and Tennessee is not one of them. Outside of Fulmer, they were nothing, and are nothing. They are like Missouri without the new SEC gloss.
VT will need a new coach soon, but Beamer will be the coach next year and will step down before he is fired, but it won't be this year or before the end of next year.
Firing Beamer does not improve recruiting, location, prestige, or program history. When VT gets a new coach, it will be like hitting the reset button. We will be starting OVER, not going back to the mid 2000's. Maybe we float, but we might sink.
Sorry man, but we need to start over. I can take a few bad years get good again with a new coach.
Not every school is stuck in the mud in 1990's Football. Beamerball/Franks Coaching style isn't college football. It needed to be changed years ago. Frank can't recruit really good players because his system isnt working anymore and no one wants to be in it.
Not one bit, and not one bit of it matters to next year's football team. Again it's not 1980;s football. I wonder if TCU or UCLA and Baylor or Oregon and Michigan State and Utah and Clemson all feel they can't succeed cause of that. But I saw how the 9 time National champions Pitt team is stomping up the competition again this year thanks to all of that location, prestige, and program history
Right and if you told me that as I said this to you in 2009 or 2010 I would agree with you. But really?!?! It's 2015 and we lost to the 9 time National champions Pitt team for the 5th time in 6 years. And We Have a losing home record over the last 4 years? Starting over could easily leave us in the same spot we are in now
New coaches tend to have a bad year at good schools for a couple of reason's
1. Unable to find an identity and identify as a team with the new coach.
VT has lacked an identity outside the Bear defense for a while now
2. Top players and recruits transfer and leave the team Roster empty of game changing talent
VT Top players are gone this year and next year (Kendall?) and poor recruiting has most players playing at VT because that's where they want to be. This is Home
3. Coaching changes don't align with players recruited to a system
VT players will be just fine with any one besides Paul Johnson. Can you imagine what pass happy coach would do to Ford and Caleb and Phillips outlook on VT
4. Coaches exceeding in the MAC or AAC are brought in to a Power 5 team on great hype from previous results but the tougher competition isnt the same
VT has a pretty weak schedule in the ACC so i don't expect that to hurt to much
New coaches normally have the most excitement and best recruiting classes in their first two years.... And with how bad we are looking do you not want to hit the reset button?
I'm for it, I just don't think it will happen. I think that Frank leaves after next year.
The ship is already sinking. A new coach would plug the gaping hole
You said it man!
Nah, a new coach would build a new boat...
I think the title of this thread is kind of misleading
Someone asked Butch Jones for a dollar. He said he was only good for 3 quarters. When you're a VT fan living in Bristol the UT jokes are endless.
But unless we don't make it to a bowl this season (which is a likely possibility) or basically don't win another game, I think Beamer will be around and 2016 will be his last season. I think he really wants to be there for the Battle at Bristol game and will leave after that season on his own accord. While he considers non-conference games "exhibition games" that could be his last chance at a schedule that really has some emphasis games... And yeah, Tennessee fans are calling for Butch Jones' head right now. Apparently he has the same record now that Dooley did. I actually like Butch Jones though. He seems like a great guy.
Why does frank care so much for the exhibition game that is the B@B?
I'd assume he would care so much because it will be the largest college football game ever (over 150,000) meaning most of the country will be watching and it will be HUGE for recruiting. There are people coming from all over the country who don't prefer either team just because it's such a big deal. It's just an experience in and of itself to be a coach for that game... Also, Beamer's came to Bristol before. He knows that the UT/VT rivalry is huge around these parts. I'm not kidding, there are stores and restaurants devoted to the rivalry. He knows that's a big deal to a lot of fans. This has been something that the fans have wanted forever. 17 years ago, Bruton Smith, the chairman and CEO of Speedway Motorsports Inc., offered both schools $20 million apiece to play the game in Bristol. I just think he'd want to stick around for that.
You are correct. But why should it be his choice whether he sticks around or not? Arrogance and no concern for anything but himself at this point. It will be Whits decision not Franks. He should have shown some class and stepped down to prevent this uncomfortable situation.
Oh, yeah, I definitely agree with you. I just meant that I think if it's his own choice, he'll only stick around until after the 2016 season. I've been in the crowd that's been looking for coaching changes for 3 years now. Things are unacceptable at this point in time.
BofB should have been Beamer's game to coach, but we're stinking too much. (Which I am pained to say.)
BUT.....If I'm Whit, I'm on the phone to his short list candidates and I'm hyping the BofB as a draw: ' Come be the head coach at VT and your first game will be the largest ever CFB game!'
Whit could use it to sell a potential candidate to help hire his staff and recruit.
But this will all have to be organized in the next few months and then announced before year-end ideally.
IMHO.
This. ^^^
Do what Utah did when Urban was leaving and have two head coaches. Beamer gets his last game in Bristol and the win and game added to his list and the new coach starts off there.
Why? It'll just make getting a good new hc more difficult with no real payoff other than some warm fuzzies that will be promptly forgotten after a few weeks
Umm what? Why would it make getting a HC more difficult? Frank would be nothing more than a figurehead, the new HC picks his staff, agrees to his salary and starts.
Some food for though for UT.
In 17 years Fulmer blew a two possession lead just 6 times.
Butch Jones has done so 3 times in the past 4 weeks.
I've shared this before, but I wanted to share it again just because I've been really excited about the Battle at Bristol game lately with all of ticket sales hype:
I don't like copying anyone...even the Vols. Nice lyrics, just not what we are IMO.
I've always preferred:
Rumors from Reddit and Twitter are making it look like the Vols might be getting a new HC a bit sooner than we will.
https://www.reddit.com/r/CFB/comments/3ngzq4/rumors_of_major_problems_on_rocky_top/
rumors are acid...I'm not sure I'd trust those rumors
This is the same type of thing Kiffin was dealing with at Bama just a few weeks ago.