OK, this is just speculating but how much do you believe the injury to Brewer changed the season? In the OSU game, you could feel the air go out of the stadium when he went down. I believe we would have one or two more wins if he had played. Give your opinion.
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VT may well have won against both ECU and Pitt.
OSU would have still been a stretch.
With Brewer, the Hokies edge out Pittsburgh 20-17 or so, but lose to ECU by about the same score. Brewer would have made the throw to Rogers, but the drive to make it 35-28, was all Motley.
IMO, you have to question if the offense would have stalled in the second quarter the way it did with Motley.
This takes nothing away from Motley's monster second half vs ECU. I just have to wonder if Brewer would have built on the 14 points ECU spotted us. Then again, those refs weren't letting us leave with a win. They would have found more bullshit calls to go against Brewer.
Ah yes, the rare QB targeting the defender call.
Illegal use of hands...to complete a pass...against the team we want to win...
Brewer being smaller, would have been knocked out early in the Pitt game with the way our o-line played
assuming he wasn't quicker making decisions, feeling pressure or going through progressions. Most of the sacks I remember earlier in the game were simply motley holding the ball too long after locking in on his first read and not going through progressions.
Yup.
I honestly think we're still 3-2 (ECU loss) or perhaps 4-1 (beating either OSU or ECU, but not both).
In the end I think we beat Pitt but not much else changes. I also think with a healthy Brewer that we win the Coastal.
Does he play defense too? Does he influence the runningback rotation? Does he step up as a third wide-out? If not, then probably 3-2 or 2-3.
We needed one more touchdown in two gsmes. I think Brewer gives us that. Motley has been very good. Brewer is better.
4-1 or 3-2, and a real shot at 5-0 IMO. I think Brewer could have covered the deficiencies of the defense we saw early.
We can agree at 3-2 then. Which is to say we'd be somewhat better but we still have glaring deficiencies that have cost us games.
Yeah, Brewer would not have fixed the tailback rotation. If anything, him being out has made us appreciate the shortcomings we still have.
I get it we had it really going til Brewer went down and a shot at beating OSU. But if our defense turns off because the QB goes down then we need to address Foster as our defense leader.
OSU is a 2nd half team. Look how they handled the rest of the their schedule. Or even in the game last year against Bama. The 2nd half is where they come alive while VT just goes in neutral for most 2nd halves. Urban Meyer respects Frank to much to bury him in the game. If brewer is still in it then OSU just keeps going at 10 instead of playing QB Tryouts. 2-3 is all on the defense this year
3-2, loss to ecu. We did not lose that game because of offense.
If ifs and buts were candies and nuts...
mmmmm candy
I still want a Merry Christmas dammit!!!
"If ifs and buts were candies and nuts..."
"We'd all have a very fine Christmas"
I remember the first time I heard that...
Dandy Don Merideth, circa 1973
So we're now into the Bargaining stage?
The ghost of games past.
Denial, Anger, Bargaining, Denial, Acceptance.
we're moving along quite quickly at least.
5-0, and you can't prove me wrong.
0-5, and you can't prove me wrong either.
I kid, I kid.
I don't think I'd even thought about Triumph in at least a decade, but now the chorus to "I kid, I kid" is stuck in my head. What a blast from the somewhat-obscure past.
Not safe for work, and you'll probably feel dumber having watched it, but what the heck. The late 90's were strange.
2-3
the real question is would the o line able to protect brewer?
4-1, I think. An ugly 4-1. I do not believe some guys think we can win -- and haven't since tosu.
Mmm Brewer isn't Vick; I don't think he is talented enough to change a game on his own (and that's no slight against Brewer, dude is one of the gutsiest players ever to play at VT). Then again, as ugly as these last two games have been, they've both been one score losses. Could he be the difference in those games? Maybe. I agree that our team seemed to lose all confidence after Brewer went down. If one player is the difference beating beating OSU and losing to ECU/Pitt, than our program has bigger issues (which we're seeing now).
If there is one guy who could change games on his own, for better or worse, it's usually the QB. We've seen Brewer do both.
Im confused nothing against Brewer and nothing for Motley however Brewer is 5ft11 and is no Drew Brease. (SPELLING ?) Neither is an nfl talent QB but under the kind of pressure Pitt was bringing Brewer doesnt last the game. Motley athleticism giveS tech and equal if not better chance of winning games this year with the state of the oline and RB situation. record would be the same.
Brewer's much more accurate/confident in the short/intermediate passing game. We could have utilized more quick passes to keep pressure off him. I'm not arguing that he wouldn't have also struggled in other ways but your assumptions are that we would have called the same game w Brewer at QB and I do not think that's the case.
Drew Brees isn't even a Drew Brease
15-0
Whether it's Brewer, Motley or your mom in at QB you gotta give them time to throw the ball and you've gotta be opening up holes for the running game! With neither of those things really happening I think our O-line keeps us right where we are. 2-3
The Pitt game would have broken both his collarbones.
If Brewer was not hurt then world peace would have broken out, all the poor would have food and clean water, I would have a six back and a jaw line that rivals Tom Brady.
If Brewer was not hurt there would already be colonies on Mars, and teleportation technology would be in every house hold....
If Brewer was not hurt my money tree wouldn't have died and my whiskey river would still be flowing.
DAMN YOU BREWER FOR RUINING THE WAY THE WORLD COULD HAVE BEEN!!!
But glad he's healthy and hope to see him on the field to at least save some respectability to this team!
I might have to study it, but this seems far too simple. Why not place blame on the defensive lineman who allowed himself to fall on Brewer? Why not implicate the offensive lineman who missed his assignment and let that defensive lineman pass? Why not implicate Urban Meyer for placing that lineman in a position so that he could be missed by the offensive lineman who missed his assignment? Yep, it must be Urban Meyer and if we look at his initials we can see the clue. UM. UM can only stand for Universal Menace and there you have it for all the problems you listed. Unless of course we look to the true source, Universal Menace's parents...They must bear some responsibility too.
I think this is an interesting question. I'd say we're at least 4-1, no way we lose to Pitt and EC. Which is kind of interesting, if we have the exact same team with (mostly) the same performances, but are 4-1, we wouldn't be higher about everything going on. Lose the most important player on the team and slip up a couple of times and all of sudden the coaches and players are pathetic losers who don't even try and we can't spit out enough vitriol. Win those games with the exact same people and everything is wonderful. I kind of hate sports sometimes.
Brewer got hurt because our OL whiffed a block and allowed him to get absolutely crushed by an untouched DL. This kind of miss has happened every game we've played this year.
We can what if all over the place, but the fact of the matter is, the OL is missing blocks and getting our QBs destroyed. If he didn't get hurt against Ohio State, he would have gotten hurt against someone else.
It's an interesting question for coaching. You've got a 3 star QB recruit comes in 2012 as the #800 player in the country and becomes the Backup QB on the depth chart and is struggling as a starting backup QB. Or You've got a 3 star recruit comes in 2010 as the #927 player in the country and becomes a first round draft pick. You've got a 2 star Offensive Lineman in 2000 that learns to become the nation's best college center and a 2nd round draft pick in 2004. I'm not expecting Motley to be NFL Draft ready I'm just shocked at how far the drop off is from 1st string to 2nd string
Notre Dame and BYU have had Backup QBs come in and lead game winning drives against equal competition the Hokies have played.
Coaching should have had the backup ready and with a gameplan for when it happens so that this isn't a question
I don't feel like the dropoff from Brewer to Motley is really that far. Let's not forget that Brewer led us to a 7-6 season last year. There is credit due to unfamiliarity with the system and injuries, but he's yet to prove to be another Tyrod, Randall, or MV7.
Who knows what our record would be if we had Brewer all of the games. In all honesty, it could be worse than it is now. I know we saw Brewer playing like an animal against Ohio State but despite that and all the preseason hype, no one knows if he would have shown that game after game or if he would have regressed back into his last year self. It is what it is at this point.