Binge watched on Netflix and saw S06 E01.
I friggin love this show.
That is all!
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I too am a fan. So, who is honking that effing horn? Shane Beamer?
I think it's gotta be the Wolves. I think they were the ones who set up the Quarry of the Living Dead in the first place.
Also, with the show being set in Alexandria, while I was watching the premiere I thought it would be awesome if that was the Hokie Stone Quarry, though I know that would stretch the hell out of the suspension of disbelief.
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Good warning. My assumption is that this thread will become the unofficial official discussion of the current season on here just as we have had in the past. As such, probably a good idea to not read unless you have seen the most recent episode
I thought the first episode was extremely entertaining, especially coming off of my disappointment with Fear the Walking Dead.
Feeling like its the Wolves with the horn. Nothing we have seen in Alexandria to this point seems capable of making a sound like that.
Which would also beg the question moving forward...a horn like that you would have to think the residents of Alexandria would have heard it before if the Wolves were operating within the area
I think Fear was OK filler for the summer season when not much else is on. I was hoping for a bit more action and a bit more knowledge of what actually *caused* the outbreak, but perhaps that was asking too much.
Agree that it's the Wolves. We already know they have access to trucks, which is what that horn sounded like to me. I suspect the Wolves are spying on Alexandria, and saw their opportunity to try to invade it. The horn might be an effort to use the walkers as a sort of army; we already know they've figured out how to corral them using lights and sound.
I think Fear had the opposite of its intended effect. TWD premiere actually posted LOWER ratings that the Season 5 premiere.
The horn is clearly an attempt to draw walkers to Alexandria but I don't think it's the Wolves that would be too easy. As for Fear the Waking Dead I enjoyed it. I liked the fact the people have no idea what's going on.
Ha ha! I just watched the premiere tonight and then checked in to TKP.
My son and I were thinking the Wolves as well. But then I was thinking it could be a saboteur; maybe the priest, or the doctor's kid.
This might be a chance to introduce another faction....who knows.
I think it might be the doctor's son too.
I think it has something to do with the girl that has been sneaking out. But the horn is going to attract the wolves too.
Line of the night:
Morgan: Michonne?
Michonne: Yeah?
Morgan: When you were at my place, did you take one of my protein bars?
Anyone else think it was weird she lied about that?
I think he was well aware she was bullshitting him, and she knew that he knew. Totally something I'd do with a buddy.
I wouldn't tell Morgan I took his protein bar either. I would go with Michonne in a fight, but she's already seen Morgan go off the deep end.
there's definitely more to it
Whoever is blowing the horn should probably stop
I stopped watching around season 3.5 because it got really stale, but I read the comics well past that a couple years back. ...have they introduced Negan yet?
Not yet. Lots of clues that it will be this season, though.
Maybe I'll start watching again.
Thanks for the spoiler.
Snape kills Dumbledore
The horn sounds like two things:
1) A tractor trailer horn, we know there were 4 of them at the quarry.
2) A emergency horn at a power facility. They established that they have access to the nearby power facility to keep their electricity up last season.
The intensity of the sound suggest the latter because, while tractor horns are loud, the horn in the show was SUPER loud. Loud enough to be heard for several miles.
Gotta love Rick just icing the guy with the face bite. When you need silence, you need silence.
When the group is on the run = the show is awesome
When the group stops somewhere and has to deal with interpersonal problems = not as good.
Keep them in danger, keep them fighting, show will be interesting.
You know that result is exactly what Rick had in mind for the guy. Maybe not necessarily taking him out himself, but he figured that Carter would die out among the walkers. Which is why I think Michonne and Morgan shared that look after the fact.
Pretty much win/win for Rick as far as that goes. He doesn't look like a horrible person, has a new "cautionary tale" on why the people in Alexandria need to listen to him and his group, and eliminates a guy that wanted to get rid of him all in one shot.
I don't know. It seems they're setting up Rick a bit. Michonne has already shown a gap, and Darryl told Rick he was wrong. Morgan is just feeling things out for now.
I'm waiting for Carol to take over the whole sha-bang. To me, she is the most evolved character. I was laughing when she was talking to Morgan-he's sized her up correctly.
She's got that sticky sweet black widow smile down.
Season 6 Episode 2 - WOW
When Carol switches on, she switches ON. I think she should have let them capture one or more of the Wolves for intel though. How many Wolves are there? Where are they based?
I've been pro-Morgan but letting them out is a bad move. I understand why he did it but its not going to end well.
Oh and has Carol gone back to the Armory to disarm the highly tense trap she set?
Rick: "Hey Daryl put those extra guns back in the Armory, will ya?"
Daryl: "Sure whatever Rick"
Carol: "Wait Da" BLAM BLAM BLAM BLAM BLAM BLAM BLAM "Oh Pooky..."
totally thought that's where Morgan was headed at the end
Same. Kept telling the wife, he's heading to the armory and he's gonna catch one in the chest.
Last night was solid. I don't think I'm going to watch live anymore though. I found it much more enjoyable without the bombardment of commercials. I get it, they need them blah blah blah but it's gotten worse. I did some rough estimates on the first episode and it was about 2/3 show and 1/3 commercials.
But Game of Thrones is to blame for that /:
Almost every network is set up to be 2/3 content 1/3 commercial, its not exclusive to AMC or The Walking Dead.
Maybe now, but I remember the office, at it's peak, was closer to 75/25. I do remember it getting worse when the recession hit, or so it seemed.
Dude I do not watch anything live anymore except sports. I dvr everything because you can save 20 or so minutes on an hour show and with 2 young kids my free time is precious...
Um, guys? Not to alarm you, but...
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/oct/19/man-24-dies-on-board-dublin...
Yeah, wow.
No way I'd like to go to Dublin by bus. That is alarming.
Oh shit, that's how it starts.
Cocaine is a hell of a drug.
So I'm finally getting around to watching this weeks episode and just got to the part where Carol looks out her window after setting the timer. HOLY SHIT, I did not expect that!!
Yeah that really caught me off guard too!
My fav characters:
1. Glenn / Carol - both these guys are outstanding characters. I love how both of them (especially Carol) have developed and become leaders since the first season.
2. Darryl - Cuz he's a bad ass
3. Maggie - ...cuz...shes hot
Least favorite:
1. Lesbo girl - I mean, what does she add to the plot other than some snappy anectodes?
2. Martinez - same deal, other than a sex scene with Abraham
3. CORRRRAAAALLLL - I know he's the head mans kid and all that, but he's so robotic - I don't have much of an emotional connection to him.
I really though the second episode was terrible.
I loved that they wanted to have a ton of action. I was so pumped in that opening scene with the smoking woman getting unexpectedly killed. After that there was way too much attempt at character development through slow paced dialog and not nearly enough sense of urgency and passionate acting.
For instance shit is going down and people are getting stabbed. Carl is more concerned about having a sit down conversation with his girl. The scenes trying to show the med student wannabe surgeon were so poorly acted and completely killed the pace of the episode.
The whole time I kept looking at my wife thinking, this must be a joke. Your town is under attack and way too many people are hanging out inside with zero sense of panic. The main badass characters were gone leading away zombies leaving mostly vulnerable characters back to defend so we should have seen a lot more chaos, emotion, and fear.
I think part of that is the people inside don't know they should be scared or how to react to something like this happening.
The thing about Carl is that he is unfazed. Other people that have read the comics might be able to attest to this as well. (not sure if you have read them) At this point all of Rick's group are seasoned survivalists and killers, including Carl. That goes for Zombie and Man alike. So Carl, or anyone from their group, not giving a shit about the chaos outside is just how he is.
And I think they made a point of exemplifying that at the end when he takes out the casserole from the oven as if it's just another day.
I agree on the surgery girl. Not so much the acting because I thought she did fine, but it did ruin the pace.
With the context of the casserole it makes more sense that he is just numb. I would still think though that a survivor that made it this far is still concerned about survival and would be a little more alert when stuff is going down outside.
Teenage hormones and all....he was distracted.
The thing is, he was. He knew Carol was out doing her thing, and his thing was to stick in the house and protect the baby.
He even said at one point something to the effect of "No one's getting in this house, I'm not letting them". Also, being seasoned survivalists, I think the "main characters" all understood the invaders didn't have guns, and that the shots were their people killing invaders.
His whole purpose at this point was to stay in the house and protect Judith, not go gallivanting around taking people out. He knew others had it handled.
I don't think the girl is a spy for the wolves. She's too "vulnerable looking" that the wolves would either have killed her or had her chained somewhere. I think she was speaking to her and Carl sneaking in and out of the place without people noticing when she said "That's how we-" and got cut off by Carl.
I look forward to next week and how the others leading the zombies away will have to deal with the aftermath of the air horn. People will die, I'm sure. I'm curious if it will only be Alexandria lifers that we've only seen in a couple episodes, or if a major character will die, too.
So far I am loving season 6. Scott Gimple has found a way to balance action with character development.
Did Morgan say he learned how to fight from a cheese maker?
Also, anybody notice in the preview for S06E03, Rick cuts his hand on a walker-tainted blade? o_O
Cutting his hand isn't a big deal. We already know everyone carries the infection, so unless he suffers a fatal (additional) infection and/or bleeds out, that shouldn't actually do anything to him. Seems odd that it would be obvious if it didn't mean anything, but if somehow it does something to him, it would be pretty inconsistent with what we know.
Well, a bite kills you even though everyone is "infected." And the idea of "tainted" weapons killing people like a bite is straight out of the comics. I just don't think they would have made an issue of showing it if they aren't going to go anywhere with it.
It will be interesting to see where they go with it. But it's not the bite that turns you into a zombie. That's been made pretty clear, especially after what Jenner said in Season 1. The bite kills you, but the infection is already latent in everyone; death triggers it, no matter how you die. So a bite is a catalyst, but not a determining factor.
I have a friend who's watching Season 5 for the first time, and we were watching the episode after a certain character dies where they are all pretty much without food/water and exhausted and didn't want to waste energy killing walkers.
If you've seen it, someone goes apeshit and starts killing with a knife and in the swipe of the knife kills a walker and after the blade passes through the walker, it cuts Abraham's arm. That would technically be a tainted weapon cutting somebody, and nothing came of it.
That being said, I've already made a bold prediction among friends and I'll spout it here, though others have kind of touched on it: I think this is the season Rick dies and the group has to figure out how to go on without his "Ricktatorship".
My thought was this (fair warning for spoilers from the comic, keep scrolling if you're not interested):
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The Governor cuts off Rick's hand in the comics. That obviously didn't/can't happen in the show, so perhaps Rick gets some kind of infection from the cut we saw in the preview and has to have it amputated. The storylines would then merge in that respect, while still allowing the show to have its own, modified storyline.
It was his right hand in the comics and his left in the trailer. This would be easier for show viewers to handle I think. I feel like we have gotten so far past the point that he should have lost his hand, that it would be strange to do it now though.
It would be strange, but I'm thinking there is motivation for the showrunners to do something to Rick without killing him. This isn't GoT, where we know everyone is at risk of being axed (literally!) at any second. The characters need to be vulnerable to injury and potentially death, but I don't know if the show would continue without Rick. I think it could, if done well, but I'm not sure how it would go over.
If Daryl dies, we riot.
If they do it now, with it occurring while Rick is dispatching some random, meaningless walkers, it will just be a move to placate the comics fans. And while in general I approve of how Gimple has made the show more closely resemble the comics than his predecessors did, doing something now just because they didn't do it when they were at the right point in the show's timeline feels cheap.
I either read it somewhere or saw it on an episode of Talking Dead, but the writer said that he regretted having Rick lose his hand, because it just made everything so difficult and that the show helped him correct that mistake.
Plus, he and the show-runners stated how time-consuming and difficult it was logistically (not to mention how awkward and fake it looked) when they had Merle walking around "missing" one hand. I do not think they want to go down that road again.
OMG I want to give you all the legs. I had totally forgotten about Sasha cutting Abraham in that scene.
Now if they still maintain that scratches kill it'll just wreck the internal consistency.
They need to explain better why getting bit = zombification, but getting zombie guts on an open cut is not.
See above. Only one thing is true: death in the absence of brain injury = zombification.
A bite wouldn't cause the fever and painful death if it wasn't toxic to some degree. Even a non fatal bite leads to death. Zombie tainted weapons will become a thing even though it doesn't make a whole lot of sense. But there are a lot of things that don't make sense like why don't the zombies rot to a completely useless corpse. Why don't they freeze? Do they digest and if not why wouldn't they just eat once and be full? I still love the show though.
Actually there's a pretty cool making-of feature that shows how Greg Nicotero has been advancing the decomposition of the walkers through VFX since season one. So it's stands to reason that eventually a walker will just fall apart. But keep in mind, if they lose their legs, they're going to pull themselves along like Bicycle Girl from the pilot. They'd still be a hazard after they lose the ability to walk bipedal.
Zombie tainted weapons were a thing in the comics, but the comics have a lot less splatter than the show. So it doesn't really hurt the internal consistency of the comics.
Also, up until this past season, they were in Georgia. Average winter temp in the Atlanta metro area is mid-30s. Hard freezes are pretty rare. So the freezing thing shouldn't have come into play yet. Now that they're in Virginia, they should probably address that. But if whatever the reanimating agent is can keep a corpse ambulatory despite rigor mortis, freezing temps shouldn't be any more of a problem.
So do they poop or not?
Dunno. I know Max Brooks' zombies from World War Z didn't. Not sure about TWD tho.
In season 2, Daryl cut open a walker to see of they found parts of Sophia in its stomach, and it certainly didn't look like there was much in there. On the other hand, supposedly a walker ate Lori's entire corpse. That means that walker kept eating long after its digestive tract hemorrhaged, which would lead me to think the digestive tract is non-functional.
Being in Ga. and as hot as it gets shouldn't they decompose at a faster rate?
Hot and humid, for that matter, which should definitely increase decomposition. Hot and dry would just dry them out and make them more mummy-like.
If we're trying to be logically consistent, whatever infection causes fever and eventual death has to be caused by and agent that's found in the mouths of walkers. In essence, zombies are venemous.
Back when I started watching, I had a long conversation with some other fans about how in the show they said scratches were also fatal, but they never actually showed someone dying from a scratch. IMO, the only way TWD could be internally consistent is if the scratch thing is just a myth inside the universe of the show. If a scratch kills, so would splattering zombie guts on an open wound.
We don't really have evidence of this, though, and "has to be" is very strongly worded. Bites, thus far in the show (and I haven't finished reading the comics, but I did get going on that finally) have only ever been fatal injuries due largely to blood loss. Yes, there is a fever, but that could be a normal consequence of normal infection. If I cut my hand with a rusty blade get tetanus, and I die, I'm still a zombie. What we haven't seen yet is someone survive a zombie bite. Herschel did, but only because they hacked off his leg and cauterized it. What wasn't certain was if it was necessary. What if they had just cauterized the bite itself? The immediate reaction to hack off the leg was motivated by the notion that there was some infection being spread, but that's also not necessarily consistent with what Dr. Jenner said in season 1. Moreover, when someone gets killed by non-zombie means, they still turn, so the cause of the turn does not have to be caused by something in the zombies' mouths. No doubt they are walking bags of disease, but people are already infected, so we've been informed.
The scratches killing is also just a myth, as far as I can tell from what we know. It was just people's reaction to not understanding the spread of the disease.
Yeah, most of the time, if a person's dying of a walker bite, it's a situation where they're getting eaten alive, so the death is actually blood loss, not infection. But there's been smaller bites that result in due to infection rather than blood loss.
I think the producers have tried to establish pretty clearly that a bit is fatal in itself, without actually having a Jenner-like scientific authority verify it onscreen. I suspect season two of Fear the Walking Dead will confirm.
A walking dead body probably would pick up enough bacteria to cause a deadly infection. To test this theory we would need to see somebody who just turned non fatally bite somebody and see if they get the fever.
This pretty much sums up what I'm saying. It's a classic battle in biology and the study of disease - necessary vs. sufficient. I can die from an infection if a dog bites me, but that doesn't make the dog a zombie. It just means that the dog and zombie are both conduits of bacteria that kill me. Exposure to bacteria is what is necessary; a zombie may be sufficient to deliver some general infection but is not necessary on its own to kill me.
http://phenomena.nationalgeographic.com/2013/06/27/the-myth-of-the-komod...
I am not sure if you were just making a job but I too was curious about Morgan's response as to who taught him to fight. I thought he said a "change maker". Maybe a reference to someone who makes a difference in this world.
Subtitles confirm. He said "cheese maker."
awesome, I just thought I heard it wrong so was looking for a more logical answer. Thanks for clearing that up for me.
Yeah, they better be gearing up for a flashback or a backstory monologue to explain that. I'll hate if they kill off Morgan with that still dangling in the wind.
Looking at the preview for next week, it's coming. Looks like the Morgan back story on a special 90 minute episode.
He said cheese maker.
I think the point simply being that anyone can learn how to survive in this new reality without having to lose themselves in the process, which has been Morgan's entire arc to this point.
I really thought this topic was about the football team.
Huh, I thought it was about our coaching staff
I think the first 2 episodes have been extremely entertaining. This show works much better when they are actually doing something, rather than sitting still.
The action has been good and I fee I know the characters better. Hope they get Daryl more involved here soon.
I like how the first 2 episodes coincide in time. I wonder if they will continue this trend?
WHAT THE MOTHERFUCK?!!!!
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
That one was tough.
Did they for real just kill one of my favorite characters?
Dead? Alive? Thoughts.
I mean. I hope he is alive because I want what happens in the comics to happen to him. I'm holding out hope that he maybe had enough time to get under that dumpster and those walkers were eating Nicholas who was on top of him.
I hope so too. I love that no one is safe, but I would hate it if that's how he really goes out. Fucking Nicholas!!!
I hope he is alive because I want what happens in the comics to happen to him
Man, that is dark...
.....but I'd like to see it too
haha. Man, It is dark. I meant more from like an importance standpoint but yeah, honestly I really would like to see it on TV.
So this episode was just killing off all the old Alexandria people.
thinning the herd. The strong will survive, which makes Alexandria survive.
So just finished watching the talking dead, I think Glen is DEAD DEAD.
What does that say for the guy that tried to kill him, who he tried to redeem, finally finishing the job? Rather bleak if you think about it.
I lay the blame of this whole thing at the feet of Morgan.
As well you should. But the whole thing makes sense.
Morgan has no place in a community, and deep down he knows it. He originally declined the invitation from Daryl and Aaron to come back to Alexandria with them. The only reason he accepted was because he realized Rick was there. His pacifism served him fine while he was a loner, but can't stand up when he's in a position to have to defend something of value against outside aggressors. Based on the reaction he had when he saw the Wolf take the gun as they fled Alexandria, and his reaction after his fight with the Wolf that ambushed him, I think he's realizing it. That's Morgan's arc this season, and I think after next weeks backstory episode, we'll either see Morgan accept that if he stays in Alexandria, he cannot give people the option of escape, or we'll see him accept he has no place in Alexandria and leave. They've made too much out of Rick and Morgan being each other's spirit animals to just have Morgan walk off into the post-apocalyptic sunset, so I think you'll see Morgan come around to understanding that mercy is too great a risk sometimes.
Notice, too, that the five people that Morgan allowed to flee, fell at the hands of Rick this past episode. Morgan's mercy, almost killed Rick, and may yet with the shots probably doing something to the RV that caused it to no longer start.
Lots of dire situations here:
Either Glenn is dead and no one will ever be able to know it or he's somehow alive with the guy getting eaten on top of him.
Rick, with an injured hand and an RV that won't start is left in the middle of the swarm headed for Alexandria.
Morgan back story next week, and then we'll have to see what happens (if they don't touch on it a little next week).
Excellent point about Rick cleaning up Morgan's mess.
The Rick thing is pretty obvious. He's going to get out of the RV and lead them away on foot. So long as he remembers the radio, he'll inform Abraham, Sasha and Daryl of the situation, and Daryl being Daryl, he'll come pick him up. Rick's scenario is more manufactured drama, so long as he really is at the head of the herd.
Rick seemed pretty messed up by finding the baby food. You don't see any chance of him trying to lose the herd and get back to Alexandria to check on Judith and Carl?
I saw that as the immediate practical application of Rick's "if we go back now, it's for us" speech just seconds prior.
True, but his little breakdown was after that speech.
Interesting, I saw it differently. Kind of the weakness in his armor of badassdome that he's created. When he sees the baby food he knows it's all a show/persona and he seems almost ready to turn to go to Alexandria right then and there. I saw him desperately trying to get the RV up and running about him wanting to go to the ones he loves, not to lead the herd away.
As did I.
I seriously don't think Glenn is dead...yet.
That was Nicolas getting disemboweled, lying atop Glenn. They made a point of having Nicolas wear a similarly colored jacket to the shirt Glenn was wearing and framed the shot to be misleading.
The question is, if they're seriously going to pull this, how are they going to get Glenn out of that situation without some shark-jumping bullshit? Or this could also just be the setup for a sense of false hope, and Glenn will ultimately die for real the next time we see him.
We know we're going to see Glenn (or "parts of" Glenn) at some point, per Scott Gimple's statement on Talking Dead. This is just a cliffhanger to build tension, and we'll get resolution at some point. But if that resolution is anything other than Glenn's unambiguous death, I think this is cheap, soap opera style writing.
Covered in guts as a disguise, a la Season 1?
The Wolves "rescue" him and then... well... batter up
It's always been walker guts when they've done that before. We'll see.
Good point. Smearing Nicholas' very recently deceased guts would probably just work up the feeding frenzy that much more.
This raises an interesting question: if the walkers are just ravenous, human-eating things, how do they know when to stop? Do they get full? Are their brains only triggered to eat things with a pulse? The walkers we're seeing have various amounts of body chewed off of them, so what makes an attacking walker stop? Does it get full, or respond to some biological stimulus? If the whole zombie guts vs. human guts thing is really a distinguishing line, does that just mean walkers are misdirected by smell alone? Or is there no such distinction, and we're only assuming there is?
Then, too, if they're feeding on Nicholas, he shot himself, so he wouldn't have a pulse when he hit the ground, unless they're sensing something about Glenn and feeding on Nicholas...so many questions.
Just in regards to the second part of your post, Nicholas shooting himself in the head doesn't necessarily mean he doesn't have a pulse. You can linger for hours after a shot to the head, and some attempted suicides just wind up in a persistent vegetative state. Also keep in mind, factoring out dramatic slo-mo, this was probably five seconds from gunshot to ground. Nicolas could be in cardiac arrest, which the walkers might mistake for a pulse. Either way, Nicolas is about as fresh as a corpse can be.
True. Could be an interesting factor in what's going on.
I don't think it's like vampires where the heart has to still be beating for them to feed or smell them. From the earlier episodes, I always took it as once decomposition sets in it turns them off as the person would then smell just like themselves. Obviously, Nicholas hadn't started decomposing and his blood was pretty fresh. Hence, the feeding frenzy. It would be interesting to know exactly how it all works though. I'm also interested in how the walkers have seemed to pick up some seriously sensitive hearing this season. Has anyone else noticed that? I would imagine that little bit in the pet shop would have been pretty difficult to hear outside with all the other walkers growling and such. And if sounds affect them so much, why don't they rush to a walker tripping over something? Maybe I'm just nitpicking, but it seems like a small plot hole to me.
Actually, I think in season three maybe, they had a conversation on screen about this being how herds get started. One walker sees or hears something and starts walking, and just the sound of that one walker moving draws other walkers to follow it, until you have hundreds of walkers moving toward a long forgotten stimulus.
I remember that, but it seems like every time the scenario has played out it's been a much larger sound. And I think there is something to just the direction herds move in general. Once they're mobile, they seem to just follow the general direction of everyone else. My whole thing is that little business in the pet shop didn't seem like it would have been able to have been easily heard outside, with all the growls and other moving walker noises, through the wall. That's just my opinion though.
In episode 1 the mob of walkers ate the horse until well after it was dead.
This is one of the plot holes that TWD hasn't dealt with. Early on they established that walker guts work like Harry Potter's cloak of invisibility, as far as walkers are concerned. And then, they ignore it. I think I've seen it used once since then, Carol at the beginning of last season.
In real life, if we knew this about walkers we wouldn't go outside any secure area without our walker gut vests. We'd have a bunch of lightweight exterior clothing soaking in the stuff so any time you go outside Alexandria or whatever you grab one and you're safe. Or better yet, through experimentation we'd have determined exactly how much gut-matter it takes to achieve the effect.
But if they do that in TWD, it makes it harder to put characters in danger - so they pretend it doesn't exist, until it does.
I've heard that a lot. The only counterargument I can give is, if they overused the walker guts concealment, they also would need to show people getting sick and dying from exposure like that. Rub parts of a corpse all over yourself multiple times and see how long it takes to start coming down with some funky systemic infection.
Not to mention disgustingly uncomfortable. Michonne seemed to have a pretty good system of shields in place, though. I mean, she was just casually strolling through a herd at one point with her buddies chained to her.
A main character as a walker perhaps?
Slightly OT: Sorry, didn't want to start a new thread because I'm not sure how much people actually watch it, but is anyone other than me currently watching the new American Horror Story season? I'll admit it can get gory and somewhat gross at times but the plot and the characters are awesome, in my opinion.
Is this the season Lady Gaga is a central character?
Correct. Her character is perfect for her personality, as well.
I think that the writers have really backed themselves into a corner with the Glenn situation.
If he is in fact dead (which would seem the likely result just given the circumstance of being pinned under a dead body being consumed by a gang of walkers in all directions), then its really a poorly written death. I don't think every character that we know needs a heroic, meaningful, or particularly shocking death. But having a well liked original cast member go out that way would be akin to them having Daryl be run over by a car while on his motorcycle. Would make his entire character seem pointless as it has been driven home to us that Glenn has survival skills and smarts out in the zombie infested open.
If he in fact survives it, then again its just really bad writing. It just seems difficult to imagine many events that would get him out of that one without a bite or two.
But you never know, Jesus watches out for people...
I see what you did there!
I don't think Glenn is actually dead. It would really be a shame to kill him off this way, but only because I know how things play out in the comics.
I disagree with the bad writing opinion. I think it was very well written. Glenn has always been a character that no matter what bad is happening chooses to do the "good" way. He helps people even when those people are trying to kill him. When it comes down to it he chooses the other path in a world that is really about one path, personal survival. That's admirable and what made Glenn special. Glenn saw humanity in Nicholas and tried to draw that humanity out of him by showing compassion, and ultimately compassion in a world without compassion is what gets him (almost) killed.
That's pretty powerful IMO.
I'm pretty sure Glenn has to be dead... He's surrounded by a herd of walkers about....20 deep on all sides.
pretty good point, counter point article to it (warning: don't read if you haven't read the comics)
http://www.ew.com/article/2015/10/25/walking-dead-thank-you-react-did-th...
I still don't think he is dead, but whether he is or isn't I think it was well written and superbly acted by all
All of this is true, which is what makes his death tragic and heart wrenching. Emotional attachment is key to dramas like TWD.
But 'almost killing' major characters is a sign of lazy writing, because it creates artificial emotional response. Do it once, ahaha you got me. Do it again, and I'll start losing my emotional attachment because there's clearly less at stake.
Not disagreeing with you, but it is a show set in a post apocalyptic zombie world. Almost getting killed probably happens every few days or so.
Almost killing in my example means 'making it appear someone important got killed and then weasling your way out if it later to create a happy ending.'
Edit: Had a brain fart. This was supposed to be reply to AZHokie22.
I was going to type out the reasons why I do not necessarily think that Glenn is dead, but these two articles basically say it for me:
http://www.forbes.com/sites#/sites/insertcoin/2015/10/26/was-that-major-...
http://ftw.usatoday.com/2015/10/4-reasons-a-major-death-on-the-walking-d...
As for Scott Gimple's statement, when he says "In some way we will see Glenn, some version of Glenn, or parts of Glenn again", I assumed he was hinting at Maggie being pregnant.
Huffington Post had an article yesterday about Glenn still being spotted on scene. Could it be that Glenn is, in fact, dead and returns as a walker and has to be dealt with by his wife or one of the main characters?
Glenn is still alive. There was no blood coming from his mouth. When your insides are being gouged out, internal bleeding from the chest (that we supposedly saw of Glenn's being devoured) goes up and out through the mouth. Also, Nicholas is laying on top of him. If you pause the shot when it first shows Glenn start to scream, the point where the walkers tear into is a good foot and a half out from his neck. No one's chest is that large unless you're 400 pounds or Arnold Schwarzenegger.
AND FOR THE BIGGEST PIECE OF EVIDENCE
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As someone said above,Jesus saves. And there he is. Right next to Glenn.
To build on this, I think I remember blood in the mouth of the limping girl who died in the same episode.
Apparently there is speculation that it's all a hallucination by Nicholas. Why? because he was out of bullets.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/detail-may-prove-that-walking-dead-c...
which is interesting. I rewatched it and that definitely happens.
But I still think there is possibility that the wolves "rescue" Glenn and they are the ones that shot Nicholas.
That is interesting. I did notice that Nicholas was aiming in the opposite direction from where the blood spray came from.
The entire scene was shot to be ambiguous. They Jon Snowed us. When they finally revisit Glenn, they'll show everything happening from a different angle that gives full context.
People are saying they've put Glenn into an impossible situation and it will be bullshit if they write him out of it. That's not what they've done at all. They've crafted the cinematography to make it appear Glenn is in an impossible situation, and will later show why he wasn't by giving a full view of the events that went down subsequent to their scramble onto the dumpster.
It is definitely a hook to generate buzz and ratings, and as for that, well done. But it's only bad writing if, when we see the full, unfiltered version of events, the way it was originally presented is incongruous. They're basically showing us that things could not have occurred as implied, which means nothing about that scene is as it seems.
This is really telling. They are good at getting effects and continuity right. That blood splatter on the side of Glenn's face is all wrong.
I kinda feel like he needs to be dead honestly. The spoiled fans who think no one of any importance should ever die need to realize shows like this need important deaths like that. Game of Thrones, while is an extreme, is a good example of a show who's success hinges on vital deaths.
Plus I hate hate hate the fans that bitch and moan when it happens. Like this.
This is the first time I've ever heard the argument that TWD needs more deaths.
I think TWD has had plenty of main char. deaths. And usually each one leaves no ambiguity. Would just be very strange to kill Glenn in that way.
Am I the only one bothered by the fact that Glenn and Nicholas don't try to run up that set of steps in alley? The whole theme of this season thus far is just how out of touch the Alexandrians with what it takes to survive. Then it appears that there is at least a potential escape route, but Glenn doesn't try it, even though he is really good at thinking on his feet. Maybe I missed something, but that is what really bothers me about that scene.
I think the entrance to the steps is blocked by a table or something, so they run past to check the fence. By the time they turn around after checking the fence, the herd is even with the entrance of the steps.
That's how I saw it too. I think they were focused on getting away and not up (which would have trapped them).
I may or may not have said to the TV "Back to the stairs!" followed by a "Too late" when the camera panned. :)
I thought Glenn made a point of letting Nicholas lead them since he had been in the town before. Maybe Glenn would have went for the steps if he hadn't been trying to "redeem" Nicholas by letting him lead.
I'm not sure why they didn't either make a break for the fire escape stairs on the side of the building as soon as they realized it was a dead end, or while on top of the dumpster they didn't just climb the chain link fence to the top and shimmy to the left to drop down in the forest beyond. I realize it's razor or barbed wire at the top, but given the circumstances I definitely would take my chances.
This season is just brutal with irony. Daryl, who told Rick point blank to his face he thought it was a mistake to not invite more people to Alexandria, gets robbed at gunpoint by people he extended an invitation to.
Also, Abraham is awesome. It's a shame he isn't more of a central character. I hope he becomes more of a focus.
Also, looks like we've started the arc that will lead to the introduction of one of my favorite characters.
HE IS ALIVE.....that is all that matters. The next episode is going to be so kick ass with how the church steeple fell. So many zombie kills to look forward to, we have been rather light on that recently with all the people backstories.
Agree. They need to thin out some of these weak characters. Morgan has officially become an irritant to me and I would like to see something bad happen to him so that he's either gone or becomes the badass that he can be.
I don't mind the "lack of zombie kills" since its only been one day in the story timeline.
I bet it was a Monday because Mondays suck
Something gonna happen to Carl next episode!
Any comics readers in the house? They were heavily hinting at it with Ron stealing the gun.
If that was the case, wouldn't Rick been gone a few seasons ago with the Governor.
Huh? The Governor didn't kill Rick; he killed Tyreese.
I was wrong.
Let's just say they regretted not doing something to Rick that happened in the comics, so they're gonna do something to Carl that happened in the comics. Probably will occur in last few minutes of the episode.
From everything I've seen and read the producers don't regret at all not dismembering Rick. They have said it would not have worked in TV.
And they already had a character in a somewhat similar state, though he's dead now.
Yes and have said they didn't like the way it looked on screen. I doubt we get another dismemberment.
If you want to watch dismemberment, flip over to watching the Bastard Executioner. They did a full four limb one with Knights on horseback. Show has definitely had some other crazy torture scenes as well.
Carl won't lose a extremity, but he'll lose something. There are pics from set on future episodes where he's got a bandage over the injured area.
I think Kirkman regretted it IIRC. I've seen it/heard it somewhere
The injury to Carl may end up being the same as from the comics but the method is way off base. Comics he gets injured by accident by the leader of the community. In the show that will definitely not be the case if it goes down that way. I think they leave the Carl thing as a teaser to carry over, since they already have so many other things to cover with the zombies getting inside the walls.
This should be one of the best midseason finales. We've got an overrun Alexandria, we've got Superman Glenn right outside the walls, we've got Daryl, Abraham and Sasha inbound with an RPG and a fuel truck, we've got Jeremy spoke in class today sneaking up behind Carl, we've got Carol finding out about all life is precious except the ones I'm endangering Morgan's hostage...
Gimple knows how to build the house of cards HIGH before he knocks it down.
WELP
It must be great to be a producer of this show. Random Alexandrian comes into office and demands raise for next season, response is being handed a script that they die in the next episode. The actors probably work for minimum wage for fear of being killed off.
The prop guys failed this episode. The RPG had an AR-15 stock and rails on it!!
Apocalyptic ingenuity
It's like Anton Chekhov said: if there's an RPG in the first act, it must set a lake of zombies on fire in the third act. Or something like that.
Man, poor Rick is never going to get laid at this rate.
We know how he gets when he is depressed and anger. Do you really think it would be a wise idea, at this point, to get him laid? Dude may turning into Martha Steward and home wife that shit.
Welp, never mind about that.
Didnt see the family thing coming all at once but probably for the best.
The change from day to night in this episode completely threw me off, almost as if the episode went through a time warp before moving forward.
On top of that, what the hell was the point of having the Wolves ever involved in this story if thats how its going to end? They were sophisticated enough to create that zombie trap at the Food Warehouse but then they just mass assault a walled in town to try to take it over, with very few guns if any??? Then they eventually all die in Alexandria.... Just seems like wasted space in the timeline.
As much as I enjoy zombie killing as a number 1 priority for this show and had been complaining there hadnt been enough of it, that episode really didnt satisfy me either because it was a whole lot of killing with not alot of detail, almost like a dream sequence.
I dont think that was the last of the wolves by any means.
I thought it was awesome when the families kids got chewed on but tragic when mom went down. Is anyone else sick of the whole, "cover for someone who just tried to murder you and hope that you can help them rehab to normal again" deal? Carl would probably still have depth perception if he hadn't taken this approach. Now whats that gonna do to his shooting abilities?
Hot blonde mom dying really sucks but anything to unleash "crazy rick" is good. "Crazy rick" is the best character on the show. When he loses his mind and goes Mr. Hyde the show is at its best.
Lastly, how great was the whole blowing up of that motorcycle gang? That took a very refreshing turn.
Rick, Glenn, and Daryl. Best characters on the show!
Maybe Carol too. I reserve the right to change my mind!
Are Michonne and Rick an item?
Ok this has been bugging me for awhile. Why are the support braces for Alexandria's walls on the outside? Doesn't that leave the, vulnerable to being taken out and the walls coming down?
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There has been a lot of discussion on this topic. The general consensus seems to be, that if anchored appropriately (which we might have to assume they are seeing as they made point to mention that Reg was an architect), that the steel supports at tension would greatly strengthen the wall while also not taking up space inside of the compound. Pushing on the wall from the outside would in effect be trying to pull the steel beams apart, which is obviously very difficult to do.
Secondly, and fitting with the attitude of the Alexandriand when Rick and his group arrive, the walls were just flat out not designed with the danger of a human enemy in mind. Any group with the ability to cut/remove the steel supports could just as easily cut the wall. Or climb over it...which we see Enid do easily from the inside where there were no supports running up.
From a design standpoint, the braces would work better in tension simply because they would not be subjected to buckling as they would in compression and thus wouldn't require lateral bracing. The issues I have utilizing them in tension is that their load capacity would likely then be governed by the means of anchoring them to the ground. Given the resources of material, labor, and equipment available I doubt very seriously that they are anchored in a way where the tensile benefit could be of much use. Therefore, I would have opted to place them on the inside where they could simply be braced against the ground. They would still be subjected to buckling however they would be safe from exterior tampering and you could easily use the ground as a support in compression rather than some form of anchor in tension.
That bugs me far less than how Alexandria is portrayed so densely forested.
I grew up there and agree Alexandria is not even close to that forested. Unless you live along the GW Parkway
Drama>logic!
This latest episode was simply lame - and I have really been digging this show in general. The characters are getting stale and for me it's just rinse, repeat. Does anyone care about their own safety? The two kids sitting in the woods without a care in the world; no problems there, three eyes are better than four? How many times have we seen zombies creep up on people? As well, Rick is simply wreckless. He's our worst fear as a QB, a gunslinger who gets away with it, kind of. He'd have long been benched or lunched. And that wall's gotta go, or be braced properly from the inside. Zombies don't see the weakness, nor do they drive, but any idiot with a tank or bulldozer could put an end to those walls by simply running over the braces and pushing that tinfoil wall down. I'm guessing the DC area in such an apocalyptic scenario would/will be littered with all kinds of military armaments. The producers need to get on it and help me continue to suspend reality. Jesus ain't there to save them and he won't be different from all the other villians we've seen - even if we only have one eye left. I'll have to tune in next time to see what happens. I'm such a sucka!
I won't post any spoilers, but if the show proceeds anything like the comics (and the producers have said it will), things are about to get real, and fast. Jesus isn't the one we should be worrying about...
Poor Glenn.
I actually could see the show going a different direction. I've been telling my wife for weeks that I think they've been planning to write out one of the other characters, and he may take Glenn's place in that unfortunate scenario. Can't have things be too known/predictable.
I think the Glenn cliffhanger was used to gauge fan reaction.... I seriously can see them building another character in that timeframe to be a substitute
Yeah, the storyline has been dangling Glenn's fate in front of us for a while now. The ending of the last episode showed that, too. It was like, "oh no, not again!" And then Abraham came in and did Abraham things (I love his character). So it seems like they're using Glenn solely as a point of drama/tension in the story line. I think it's a ruse to fool people "in the know" (i.e., read the comics).
Glenn should read the comic and use that info to decrease his danger level a little.
Kind of like the Sports Almanac from Back to the Future II.
Dig it, man.
Keep in mind that AMC has now green lit Norman Reedus (Plays Daryl) on a new show where he goes on long motorcycle rides with other celebrities. Just something to chew on.
I am afraid Daryl may be the one going down. I have had this feeling awhile now. He is movie onto movies and other TV shows.
This is what led me to my thought above. We basically didn't see Daryl for more than a few minutes in the first half of the season, coupled with his new show, and it made me think that they were setting us up for him being killed off.
No way, killing him off would hurt the ratings of his new show.
I feel like they are building it up for him to leave the group and go off on his own. Him and Rick don't seem to be on the same page anymore. This also allows for a reunion down the road rather than killing him off completely.
That's the funny thing about actors, they think all of their success is because of themselves. It may not be the writers choice to kill Daryl if he no longer wants to be Daryl.
I haven't read the comics at all, but my understanding is that Daryl isn't really in them. It was supposed to be a bit part that gets killed off or leaves on the show, but fans loved the character so much that they greatly expanded the role. Not that this means he'd be easier to kill off than any other main character.
That was a journey.
But I agree with the first part about characters getting stale. We keep cycling through some of the newer characters without any kind of development on other characters. I am about 50/50 on wanting Rick to die. I think his character is okay at best but he's a below average actor at best.
Y'all are entirely overthinking this wall thing though haha.
Y'all are entirely overthinking this wall thing though haha.
Exactly. Just crash the gate instead.
I think the overwhelming point of the show is that the living are the walking dead, and the living are the real threat. The wall keeps out walkers but the only defense against people is to fight.
I've read the comics so I know it isn't going to happen, but I'd be cool with Rick, Michonne, Carl, Glenn, Maggie, and Darryl just saddling back up in the RV and roaming around having zombie killing adventures.
Kind of like Kung Fu with David Carradine.
I've recorded this entire series on TIVO, though I've only seen one episode. Couldn't convince my wife to watch, so I'll be going it alone, but it looks like a great series.
Past seasons are also available on Amazon streaming for free if you're a Prime member.
Anyone else want to go in with me and buy the Hilltop when the show is done? They built that place from ground level and it all actually works.
This seems too easy.
You jinxed it. /s
Whelp
gotta cut the head off. they just knocked a few scales off. whoops! should have done their due diligence
Well shit this has been an interesting two weeks of Walking Dead.
So, it's looking more and more as if "Neegan" is a group rather than a person.
Is it an acronym?
What is Neegan?
But they cast a guy to play Neegan?
And one of my favorite actors. I think Jeffrey Dean Morgan is gonna hit it out of the park.
Yeah, and it increasingly sounds like he's going to make one hell of an entrance in the season finale.
Negan is one guy; the Saviors are basically his cult. So they have this sort of "party line" that no one says who Negan is, they all claim to be him, a collective that executes his will.
I gotta admit, the whole "We're all Negan" thing is a little "I am Spartacus" to me.
He hasn't been on screen yet.
Negan is one guy. As mentioned above his followers "The Saviors" basically toe the party line "We are Negan".
He built a freakin jail cell!! Morgan has got to go.
That jail cell is gonna come in handy, mark my words.
Damnit Denise your the only Doctor anyone has and you go and get yourself killed.
You had one job!
Darrell can't drive a stick? Really? Really Walking Dead?
Lame.
Who would have taught him?
What is that supposed to mean? Going by that logic, how the hell did he learn to ride a motorcycle?
His brother taught him a bike, his dad would not have bothered to teach him anything.
Just because it's actually in the storyline that Merle taught him how to ride, how does that make you assume that he couldn't have taught him how to drive a stick as well? Or maybe he learned the way I did?
I wrecked my car in high school and needed another ASAP to get to work and back. My uncle had an old beater Ford Ranger for sale dirt cheap that happened to be a straight drive. Almost tore the clutch out, but you know who taught me? Me.
My point is you're assuming quite a bit. Also, as others have pointed out, the ability to drive a stick fits with his character more than anyone else on the show. That's why I called BS.
Yeah, it's ridiculous that a motorcycle enthusiast would not know how to drive a manual transmission, especially since he's a gear head.
the background of the character is that he was a country boy, hunting fishing and into survivalist stuff and unaccustomed to luxury lifestyle. Therefore it would seem plausible that if anyone knew how to drive an old beat up pickup with a sticky transmission it would be Daryl.
Exactly!!!
Yeah I call shenanigans on that one. If anybody in the whole outfit could drive a stick it's Darrell. I mean a motorcycle has a clutch and shifter. Wtf? You use that crap for some half assed character development on someone who's getting ready to die? In a manner that you steal from someone else in the comics? Shenanigans!
Btw, if it was the zombie apocalypse and I were leaving relative safety to disembark on a journey to an unknown place, I would certainly take an older slightly suspect vehicle that I didn't fully know how to operate. Cause that's how the f I roll.
Thank you.
Knowing how to drive a stick and being able to drive any old vehicle without grinding gears are two different things.
not if you're old enough to have learned on a vehicle without syncromesh
Nah, I have always had pickups with manual trans and motorcycles. If you have all the manual controls and seat of the pants driving of a bike, especially the unusual configurations he has, a stick on a p/u is nothing.
This was an unnecessary plot event. If they wanted to do that, they should have had a different character drive the car. It was an unforced error.
Sometimes the writers just make gaffes or don't do due diligence - like everything about the crossbow. It has no sight and isn't easy to cock without an aid (rope/crank). It also wouldn't last long without waxing the strings regularly (which I'm sure he doesn't have).
And finally - it sure as hell doesn't kick.
100 x this. For Gods sake just have someone on set that's actually used a crossbow. And where the hell did all the automatic weapons come from? I guess just before the apocalypse there was a huge shipment of class 3 weapons made available to the public. Bonus!
Looting military, police and prison system stockpiles.
Well, they're right outside of DC and the military got overrun, so...
It doesn't kick, but it does shoot completely differently than a gun. And if someone who has only every shot guns uses one, they might describe the different handling as "kick," since that's a gun term.
I may be in the minority but I can overlook a few technical details in a show centered around dead people coming back to life and trying to eat the living.
I do agree that a few moments of attention to detail could easily make this "reality" seem more real and thus more believable. Unfortunately, they do not have enough time to show every little step of weapon maintenance. I only vaguely remember a scene or two of someone actually disassembling, cleaning, lubricating, and reassembling a firearm. I think that they showed Andrea do it at least once. I think it is safe to assume that they are doing this regularly so all of those automatic weapons are functioning properly. If we assume that, I do not think it is much of a stretch to think that someone could ransack local sporting goods stores for appropriate crossbow wax/lubricants (I obviously have no idea what it takes to maintain a crossbow). I mean, where else has Darryl been getting more bolts? I cannot imagine that they expect us to believe that he just retrieves every one that he uses.
I also think that they get a bit of tunnel vision and focus so much of their time and money on the zombie effects, that other aspects of the show can suffer.
However, what I have a hard time overlooking is the use of temporary stupidity to drive plot and the now clichd pattern of previously underdeveloped characters getting characterization just so they can kill someone off and have them not feel like a redshirt.
-There is no logical reason whatsoever that the one remain person with any medical training should be allowed outside the walls, especially while you are actively in conflict with another heavily armed, murderous group. Period. End.
-If they were going to take everything in the pharmacy, why in the hell did they need to take someone with them that knows what each pill does? (And how the hell did they fit an entire pharmacy into two backpacks? She knew where the place was. They have maps.
-If you have to babysit someone who is totally green to the world outside the wall, maybe you shouldn't just walk away when she says that she thinks it is a good idea to try to get a cooler out of a car with a zombie sitting next to it.
-Darryl knows that railroad tracks are a bad idea, but he just goes ahead and says, you guys are right, I changed my mind because nothing happened to Rosita on the way here.
Sorry for the rant. I just get so frustrated with this show when they have shown what they are capable of instead of defaulting to someone doing something stupid so bad shit can happen.
Of course it has become an indicator of a major plot event. As for the idiocy stuff, I'm used to writers and journalists and film people (no offense intended to anyone in these professions) not knowing anything about which they write or perform.
We knew there was going to be problems with her insisting on going and then again when they split up to go down the road and down the RR tracks.
Then again the doc goes off by herself several times. When she goes off by herself we know it's not really going to be then, that's to obvious. My Spidey sense started tingling when she started in on her strong suit, psych training. And uh, yup.
Now, we don't have anything close to even a combat medic or ambulance driver.
Somebody is going to need to volunteer to do intensive training (someone should always be cross training).
Possible job opportunity coming up for our resident conscientious objector.
I guess that they are going to have to poach the doctor from Hilltop. I mean, he has an ultrasound and everything.
My immediate thought was that losing Denise makes the Hilltop doctor that much more important. The Alexandrians now rely on Hilltop even more for a necessary skill. That's another bargaining chip in Hilltop's favor, beyond food. How much does Alexandria have to offer, outside of Eugene maybe manufacturing bullets? Looks good for now with the raid on the Saviors, until they learn that they didn't actually finish the job.
The season finale is going to be nutts. A long running character is going to meet Neegan up close I think.
Let's wager some Turkey legs.
Who dies in the season finale.
Glenn:
Daryl:
Carol:
Or someone else?
I've never seen the show, but I'm gonna go with Daryl. Cuz he can't drive standard-shift...loser
I think it is going to be Rosita
Running Table of votes:
Fernleyhokie Rosita
Vtcivengr Daryl
VTGuitarMan Daryl
I say Carol somehow takes the place of Daryl. Would seem weird to sever ties with Glenn after just going through the awkward dead or not dead under the dumpster fiasco.
My guess is that Negan kills Daryl, deviating from the (maybe?) expected comic book plot. Maybe Negan does it to "put him out of his misery" after Dwight shot him, claiming a sadistic moral high ground. I think Carol will remain MIA, but her sub-plot will get Morgan into trouble somehow and we'll end on a cliffhanger there. Glenn's fate is hard to predict. I think very strongly that Daryl is a goner, for reasons noted above, but if he becomes the surrogate for Glenn, then are the writers becoming too predictable in using surrogates to try to throw people off, a la Denise for Abraham?
There is a nasty rumor that Negan's kill will be done with POV cinematography, and the identity of his victim will be a cliffhanger resolved in the season 7 premiere.
Talked about that this morning with a coworker.
Would not be surprised to see the bat go up, and then cut to black before we see who he decided to kill.
Ugh, this would be horrible. I can believe it will happen though, because in the teaser they have the camera looking up at Lucille, along the length of it. I feel like if they do this, they're basically just using shock value and stress to try to keep viewers coming back, rather than necessarily telling the story. I'll reserve judgment until I see it, but I am sensing that some shows are starting to lose their effect a bit, trying to create headlines rather than a cohesive narrative.
If they do this, after how monumental Negan's arrival was in the comics, I can't help but think of it as anything other than the moment the show jumps the shark. When you start relying on fake-outs and gimmicks to maintain your viewership, it's already over. I hate to think that they are already squeezing blood from a stone, with all the great comic storylines we haven't seen translated to the screen yet, but first Glenn's POV trickeration death, now this.
hope its not Daryl, Abraham, or Eugene!
I think we might get a real curveball and Maggie meets Lucille
I wish they'd kill off Morgan already.
I think Abraham is done. There's been too much movement around Glenn and Daryl. Abraham is seemingly "safe" so it makes sense for shock value.
These people have got to be the most careless group of intrepid warriors ever. Or close to it as I've watched my share of bad movies. They throw caution to the wind like a Texas cowboy after consuming a lunch pail full of beans. Why do I keep looking forward to this show each week? Zombies are just a sideshow now, and there's little hope they'll be turning back into warm bodies. It really doesn't matter who gets offed next week. He/she/they will pop up in a few B movies in the coming years and we'll all be content. Heck, Daryl might even be President some day which would be pretty cool if he continues to carry the crossbow. I'm ready for Liberty already.
I really like this show, and will overlook the small stupid stuff. But last night episode was so forced and the storytelling was disjointed. For hard core survivors they sure did a lot of stupid stuff.
I"m sure we will be left hanging all summer wondering who gets it from Negan.
I liked Black Sails this week.
Love me some Black Sails!. Fantastic Show.
I really dig Black Sails as well. Great season finale. "Raise the Black!" got me all fired up!
That was a bunch of bullshit!
Immediate thoughts:
1. Ending on a gimmick like that sucks. Now we have a whole lot of useless prognostication rather than interesting discussion about "how is the group going to go on now that _________ died?"
2. Jeffrey Dean Morgan is a brilliant choice for Negan.
Yes and yes.
Who do we think it was? Initially I thought Carl. Now I'm not sure.
I'm too pissed to care who it was right now. Fuck the damn gimmick ending!!! We've all known a major character was going to die for a while now. To drag it out until next season is just fucking asinine.
Not Carl. I also think Negan referring to Carl specifically is a red herring to make us think it's Rick. From the angle of the upward camera when Negan took the first swing, it was someone to Rick's right, so that's Maggie, Abraham, Rosita, Michonne, Glenn, or Daryl. Not likely any of the women if Negan's M.O. from the comics is followed. Abraham would serve no purpose at this point, because if they're just going to kill him there, then having Denise "take" his comic death is another poke in the eye in terms of gimmicks. It's gotta be Daryl. Dwight is Negan's right-hand man and he's certainly filled him in on Daryl's role in everything. Negan knew what he was going to do the whole time and just drew it out for effect.
I think it's between Daryl and Glenn.
Good thoughts. At first I thought it was Carl due to what he said about if he jumps gouge his other eye but everything leading up to Glenn makes me think Glenn. Then again, Daryl has been rumored to be killed off all season because of his new show.
It's also crap because it will come out who is not on set and who is not getting paid.
Was it just me or were there a lot of commercials and previews for other shows?
No more so than usual. Premieres and finales of TWD, which is one of the biggest shows on TV, are great advertising opportunities. New shows are constantly pitched, and AMC loves the ad revenue; they can charge a lot because they know ratings will be through the roof.
I'm going to rematch tonight and time it. It seemed excessive.
It's seemed excessive for me since Season 4. I get that there's money to be made, but it ruins the show. Every time it feels like the episode picks up pace, there's a commercial and it ruins the entire feel. I'm going to start next season watching at 9:30 because after all the commercials it usually ends up finishing at 10:00 anyway.
This entire season felt disjointed to me though. So it's probably just me.
I wouldn't necessarily call this season disjointed, per se, but there seemed to be a LOT of filler. I think the producers were working towards Negan, so the whole season wound up being a means to an end. There was a lot of meandering, and though it made sense, I think you could have cut about 60% of it and ended up with Negan's reveal in the midseason premiere, which would have made things so much more interesting in the remainder of the season.
Re: midseason premiere, while I thought that was an awesome episode, is anyone else getting burnt out on shows doing these long midseason hiatuses? It seems to me that we're dragging things out by having lots of downtime, then dragging out the show with filler during the episodes once they return. It seems like this is happening more and more as networks try to capitalize on a few good shows that they have. To me, the long breaks kill continuity. Sure, it builds anticipation, but I'm wondering if the price paid is worth it.
I just got tired of the same old kill a group, move on, kill a group, move on style. I think you hit on a good point with the break. They have stuck to their half season thing for so long it seemed like the built the entire season around the schedule. In turn, they drug out the build up to Negan so they could excuse, what I thought was, a very cheap cliffhanger that doesn't really add anything. I prefer that Game of Thrones does 10 episodes in the same sect and concludes each season perfectly. We all know what happened last season in GoT, specifically with the very ending. But there was enough closure to warrant enough good discussion about the future of each storyline, whether it be that character, Daenerys, Tyrion, Cersei, all of them. It's GOOD discussion, not "omg who's dead" kind of discussion. There's always a good conclusion, but enough uncertainty to bring me back. The Walking Dead failed at that last night.
Speaking of which only 20 more days til the premiere...
HELL YEAH TURN DOWN FOR WHAT
Contract leverage: so you think you're worth more money, nah you could have been the one who was up close and personal with Lucille.
I think the character will have to be on set for some flashback sequences, or else it will definitely leak early.
I sort of wish they had gotten to this point sooner because the show should be getting a lot more depth going forward.
If based on the comic, it's Glenn. Also, it does appear that it's someone on the right.
Neegan is perceptive and did all that to get information.
It won't be someone he has leverage over so, not Rick or Carl, Glenn or Maggie.
Might be Abraham because he'll be trouble and doesn't know about his personal relationships.
Might be Daryl but then he'd piss off so many women they'd loose market share.
Might be one of the girls though. It would make him more hated.
I'm on board with this. There are several logical reasons for this (both "in the show" logic and the realities of running a show that needs to convince viewers to stick around)
Negan's dialogue seems to indicate it wasn't Carl or Rick. As you mentioned, Glenn and Maggie would be much easier to control with both of them alive vs. just one.
It's safe to assume Eugene gave up some information after he was captured and worked over. Possible that Negan knows his technical prowess? And that he could certainly be useful in that way.
Signs point to Daryl. Dwight would have already shared with Negan how dangerous he could be. And he has no direct tie with another member of the group from a leverage standpoint. Aaron is another possible option for this reason as well.
My only thought about this, as a non-comic book reader, is based on the fact that the person didn't go down after the 1st swing by Neegan = pretty damn tough. Both Daryl & Glenn were hostages and beat up a little bit while Abraham was more "fresh" and could take a hit like that before going down. Also, when he started talking about having a kid earlier in the episode I turned to my wife and said, well... he's definitely getting killed off soon.
Let the speculation continue!
That last episode was just a giant middle finger to the audience. We've been waiting at least this half of the season with "just wait till Negan shows up," And it finally gets here and we don't even know who he killed.
If it was me, Rick is the threat and he would be the one I made an example out of. Negan wants sheep, and he knows Rick isn't. But that would make for a weird show going forward.
Rick is a sheep as long as Carl is alive.
Negan may know about the baby too.
The Season Six Finale is officially the second worst rated episode on Rotten Tomatoes. Alas, it got very good ratings. And that's all that matters to the execs. We will continue to get shitty unnecessary gimmicks while they waste great source material. Wiki link here.
On the other hand, this just means their hype machine worked to the point that many more people saw the disappointing episode. We were led to believe there would be a shocking ending, some dramatic exclamation point on an otherwise pretty slow season. Instead, they came up short and there was no shock. My guess is that more people tuned in to avoid what they believed would be hard-to-avoid spoilers, when in fact there were none. We knew where everything was going, though the brief appearance of the Kingdom guys was kind of cool. The real proof will be in the ratings for the season 7 premiere. If the response there is a downturn, then the execs and producers have to take a long, hard look at their approach. Gimmicks do not last, and I would hate to see a really great show go downhill because they're losing their creativity.
So, the graphic novels (per my roommate) give insight, but that may be too much a spoiler for this forum...
Yea because they directors have followed the comics soooo well
Hadn't seen a new(er) topic. Arise!
Who all is watching tonight? Picks on who gets the bat?
I'm not a huge fan. Started watching season 3 and went back and got caught up since.
Want to start a new thread? If not I will.
Go for it! I don't always watch live. Tonight I will be.