
On Saturday afternoon I found myself yelling at the television a lot. At times it was directed at the officials, either for frustratingly not reviewing critical missed calls — Isaiah Ford's acrobatic recovery en route to an easy touchdown, for example — to their repeated use of replay on plays that were pretty cut-and-dry.
Other times it was the players that caught my ire, bouncing back-and-forth between the secondary's inability to cover the wheel route and ill-timed, badly missed blocks from the offensive line.
Predictably, the coaching staff had their moments too. I still don't understand the logic behind bringing in Brenden Motley for a play here and a play there, especially when the offense appeared to be in rhythm. Maybe Shane and Lefty grabbed a couple of beers on Friday night and talked shop.
If the game had played out differently, we would still be questioning the hairbrained deuce that occurred late in the third quarter; not only did Frank decide to go for two to cut the deficit to 3 points using his backup quarterback, but he immediately followed it up with a quasi-onside kick that was poorly and illegally executed.
And while the defense had some stellar moments, their early third down ineptitude dug the Hokies an early hole and they struggled to the last second defending deep throws down the sideline.
All-in-all, it sounds like it was a pretty miserable game to watch. Right?
My father isn't a Hokie and was never much of a college football fan — he went to college in upstate New York on the Canadian border, where all it does is snow and hockey rules the collegiate calendar.
He began following the Hokies when I enrolled at Tech in the fall of 2002, watching as many games as he could from my parents' home in Vermont. I still love talking to him about the games, hearing the thoughts and impressions of someone who largely exists outside of the Blacksburg bubble.
I remember talking to him after leaving Lane Stadium following the Hokies' incredible comeback win against Nebraska in 2009, spending more time listening to his jubilation than sharing my experiences in the stands. After Tech's opening loss to the Buckeyes this season, my dad and I texted late into the night, which he capped off by calling Urban Meyer and his $5 million salary "low-class."
Over the years, he had truly come to embody what it means to be a Hokies fan. But if there's one thing I've always respected about my father, the sports fan, it's that he was always quick to temporarily set aside the outcome and acknowledge a great game.
Against Duke, the Hokies had their fair share of misses and ultimately lost in gut-wrenching fashion. But damnit was that a great football game.
In his first start since breaking his collarbone against Ohio State, Michael Brewer continued to deliver solid throws despite taking repeated shots from an aggressive Duke defense. He displayed good touch on the move, threw some absolute darts to his receivers, and stepped up when his team needed him most.
Redshirt freshman tailback Travon McMillian continued to answer the call, rushing 29 times for 145 yards and two scores. As the game wore on and he looked visibly tired, he kept grinding out yards to keep the sticks moving.
And receivers Isaiah Ford and Bucky Hodges battled against a tough secondary to push the Hokies to the brink of an upset win. While Ford found ways to haul in big catch after big catch, Bucky was able to fight off some drops to haul in two huge touchdowns late.
Against the No. 23 Blue Devils, the Hokies played an inspired game. They fought back, they showed energy and emotion, and they imposed their will on offense when it mattered most.
The 20 play, 95-yard drive late in the third quarter was one of the scrappiest drives I've seen from the Hokies in years. The 12 play, 83-yard drive in the waning minutes of the game, which ended in a Hodges' touchdown on 4th-and-2, and a game-tying two-point conversion by McMillian, brought a huge smile to my face.
Suddenly, I had forgotten about last week's demoralizing loss in Miami. I remembered how much fun it can be to watch Tech play, believing in them rather than waiting for the inevitable moment when they shoot themselves in the foot.
That moment eventually came on the Blue Devils' first offensive snap of the fourth overtime, immediately after Tech took a 43-37 lead. Thomas Sirk's touch pass found an open Erich Schneider, who burned Chuck Clark on yet another wheel route to tie the game. When Sirk battled his way over the goal line on the two-point conversion to end the game, I was overcome by sadness.
After enduring an up-and-down month punctuated by repeated defensive busts resulting in big plays, my emotional reaction to the Duke loss was likely a confluence of feelings. The team I loved was 3-5 and firmly seated in the ACC basement alongside our loathsome rival. The coach I admired is surely a goner in the next few weeks. But worst of all, a game that had so many things break in favor of the Hokies still finished in a loss.
There's no such thing as a "good" loss — they all hurt, some more so than others. In the midst of a season filled with losses that have elicited utter rage from the fan base, Saturday's defeat was different. Virginia Tech played a solid game; not a great game, but a solid one. They battled like a team with their backs against a wall. In the end, it wasn't enough.
We may look back on this loss as the proverbial nail in the coffin for Frank Beamer's storied career. Regardless, there's no denying it was one hell of a game.

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As a football fan, that was an outstanding exciting game to watch. As a Hokie fan, Brewer played his ass off and was the best I have seen in a while. Our defense is not what it used to be and ill timed plays and player rotations seem to be a mystery to me. The decision for a coaching is becoming more clear each week and I hope it is handled with class.
"Maybe Shane and Lefty grabbed a couple of beers on Friday night and talked shop."
Dude, I was yelling something along these lines at the TV when this happened and my wife took the kids out of the room and was shaking her head at me...
This was an exciting football game overall. It was a very good game by the offense. They did what was required to win. But it was an ugly game by the defense, and in that regard was not pretty.
Offense scored 24 points in regulation. People are going to point to the yards gained and points at the end of the game, but I don't think it's all on the defense like a lot of people are making it out to be. Duke's defense was clearly better than their offense coming into the game, so it was disappointing seeing the defense perform so poorly early though.
it always seems that when one side of the ball performs well enough to win, the other side doesn't. It would be really nice to have a complete performance but I just haven't seen it yet this season
Agreed it would be nice to see a complete performance. I just didn't see either side in that game that I would have said "they played well enough to win". If our offense ever scores 30+ points in regulation I think that's well enough to win, but we scored 24 and 14 of it was in the 2nd half and right at the end of the half for the most part.
if you look at our games against Duke in the last 4 years and if you look at how our defense has performed in the last 5 years in general I think you could make an argument that scoring 24 points is enough to win in Blacksburg. It would have been last year.
I'm generally not the type of person that looks at past games as an indicator of future games. Comparing this year's defense to any of the defenses in the last 4 years would also be considered an insult to those prior teams IMO. Never could have seen the defensive collapse we've experienced this year even if I knew kendall would be out.
right. My point is that had the defense shown up 24 points would have been enough to win. In games that our defense has played relatively well this year we've held teams to less than 20 points. In games that the defense has not played very well 24 points wouldn't be enough to win.
My original point is that we can't seem to get the defense and offense to show up at the same time (NC State being a notable exception) this season. When our defense plays well our offense falters (Pitt) and when our offense plays a decent game our defense can't hold it together (ECU, Miami, Duke). If we got defensive performances like the one against Pitt in the ECU, Miami, and Duke games we probably win all 3 and we're bowling.
Our defense has only held 3 teams under 24 all year though and one of those was furman. We also gave up 24 to purdue. I think that performance was pretty average for our defense as we were giving up like 22 ppg I believe prior. I do agree nc state is the closest we've come to an all-around good performance.
Only 17 of those points were on the defense. Purdue got 7 off a fumble.
It was nice to see our offense wearing down Duke's better than average defense.
Yea and just imagine if we had given McMillian more than 5 carries in the first half and as a result had been able to mount some of those longer drives then too. The Duke D would have been dragging by OT (if it had gone to OT).
I'm more apathetic to Hokie football now than I have ever been. We've been down before. Heck we've won the ACC with three conference losses before. Never have I looked at the schedule with this many games left and scratched my head as to where we would find enough wins to go bowling. I don't think we make a bowl this year and if we do it will be off of some heroic football play. I don't understand people who say it's funny or laugh that we don't go to a bowl. That's more practice that these kids get to be a better team the following year. I don't care if it's the toilet bowl and is played the first day that bowls are played. I'd rather go to a bowl than not. However I know people are saying it will hasten Frank out the door. Perhaps it will, but I still don't find it amusing at all. It's sad that VT football is in the state it's in. The bowl streak was going to end at some point. I mean it can't go on forever. The UVA streak can't go on forever and will end one day. Is this the year?? Man, I hope not. Hopefully it's like a 20 year streak or something. But some silver lining if we do lose to them this year it won't be season ruining.....that's already occurred. And it may secure Fondue another year of coaching for UVA which would be awesome.
That being said, I'll never stop watching and cheering for the Hokies. I just hope they don't become like the redskins to me where I watch when I can and if they win great, if not no big deal I expected it anyways.
Well said. Personally, I go back and forth on the issue of the bowl streak, but you are right about the importance of the extra practices.
How important is the extra practice when it has become a legitimate question whether or not the coaches leading said practice know what they are doing?
I wish that was said in jest. But we keep hearing about the extra practice and it has done this team and program zero good over the last several years where we got a bowl game by default and come out there next season and continue the same bad habits
I'd love to do the military bowl again this year. Send Beamer out in Anapolis and make it a weekend for the ages. Those tickets would be gone in a heartbeat
Yes please. A short enough drive from my parents place in SOMD. Had a lot of fun there last season.
I have to agree completely after sleeping on it myself. At some level we are all football fans, even if we are Hokie fans first. Our game was easily one of the most exciting games of the weekend, maybe the year. I think the lower my expectations of our team, the more I enjoy watching all the football games around the country.
That 95 yard drive was amazing! It reminded me of what we were capable of in the taylor, williams, evans, days.
As Hokie fans, can we all admit that we are now living in an upside down world:
Guys and gals, it sure has been one heck of an emotional roller-coaster of a season so far. Here's to us cheering on the lads and hoping for a four game win streak to end the season on a high note. DRINK!
Hey, if Georgia Tech can pull one off in improbable fashion like they did on Saturday, I believe anything is possible.
Leg up for Leo. That man can act.
I have as many Oscars as he does.
That's a true statement, but you offer it as though it counters the previous post. I have as many Super Bowl rings as Dan Marino, but that doesn't mean he wasn't a hell of a good QB.
Nah, I like him. I'm just throwing out a fact, or just typing to see my avatar. I guess that's the online equivalent of talking just to hear my voice.
Personally I don't see the offense being more reliable than the defense. If anything they are pretty even this year. Agree with the mental lapses. I have probably never been as upset about a VT game as I was with our clock management down the stretch of this game.
What's been bothering me all week is the fact that I finally realized most of our big sized D-linemen are on the offense now. Hell, we always used to see Bruce Smith on the sideline, I'm sure he wanting to see his son play. If he isn't doing anything on the offensive line, put him back on the D-line.
What can a little size hurt? Sure he would need a lot of remedial training, but we need some size to compete. Change it up a little...
My "slept on it" thoughts:
Michael Brewer will go down as one of my favorite Hokies, and he may end up with a losing record as a starter, but we will never look back at him and say he didn't give it everything he had, every game.
Damn straight. That dude gives 110%! Right up there with Bryan Randall and Tyrod Taylor.
There are about 40 bowl games.
That means 80 out of 128 teams get an extra month of practice.
It's STILL something worth playing for.
Unfortunately, it means VT has to win 3 out of the next four games. VT should be able to win 3, but as close as they've been playing these games, and as terrible as the defense has been, I don't like the odds.
I agree with the math and general sentiment - we Should Be able to win 3 games. However, we Should Have also won every game we have played so far except for Ohio st (or at least we could have if couple plays had gone out way or been executed the way it was supposed to be). If this were earlier in the season I would think things still had hope, but I have no confidence that we can win one game, let alone three, of the games we have left.
It WAS a great game to watch - if you didn't have a rooting interest. I did, but it certainly had all the drama you want in a CFB game.
I would suggest that we all stop trying to figure out the Hokies. I hope they are trying to flush the Duke game, and just try to get better from week to week, and see where that leads them. But naturally, there is going to be a debate about whether they have a cultural problem in the program, a coaching problem, a personnel/talent problem, or a whathaveyou problem.
I am spoiled rotten as a fan. I have watched my team lose 3 games in 3 3/4 seasons - and 2 of those were in 1 season. You turds know what the other one was. :) And going back before that, since 2002 OSU hasn't lost very many games; 1 or 2 a year on average. But Earle Bruce had us in some dark days in the 80's, and then John Cooper was always good enough to beat almost everyone with superior talent - but couldn't quite beat scUM or win the games that would put them in position win them a mythical national championship, or not lose a game to a team that shouldn't be on the same field with them.
My point is that you gotta have the right coach. Ohio State had to fire Jim Tressel because he lied to the NCAA. Luke Fickell stepped in and went 6-7. Ohio State was coming off the (gasp) tattoo scandal, they had lost their elite coach, and they had guys gone and suspended. They won a game or two they shouldn't have, and lost a game or two they shouldn't have, but they were just meh. I remember a friend telling me about halfway through that season, "Don't talk to me again about OSU football until Urban is the coach." And, well, the rest is history - and Urban is still making it. This very well could be the golden age of OSU football.
It's different with VT. I would say it's more comparable to Penn State with Joe Pa and FSU with BB. Those older, great coaches have earned the right to go out on their own terms (if anyone has), and yet, what if they hold on too long? And how do you know if they are or aren't doing that? People are criticizing Spurrier for stepping out mid-season, but his age was being used against him in recruiting, and he stepped aside for the good of SC. That's heroic IMO. I'm not saying FB should do the same, but I think it's legitimate to raise the question whether he is a net negative for the program he has built.
How could you sleep?
Lol.
There has been much consternation in Buckeye Nation about this QB thing. The consensus was that JT should start, but Cardale had his supporters. It now appears to be ironed out, but I had to remind people that these are "first world" problems. It's kinda like a kid complaining to another kid, whose parents struggle to pay the rent, that he's upset that he has to drive the BMW sports coupe instead of the Mercedes Benz sports coupe.
But things cycle. Eventually OSU will swoon, and VT will rise up. That's why we need to enjoy it when things are good - and keep hope alive when they aren't. Prosperity --> complacency --> failure. Suffering/difficulty --> struggle to succeed --> success. The best things and times in life are often born out of struggle.
Your two posts on this thread give a great outside perspective of this situation, and you make some strong points that are sometimes forgotten in the emotion of losing. It sucks to be on the down slope of the curve, especially when you can't see the bottom from where you are.
I think about VT a lot.
I have a ton of Texas Longhorn friends. They won the NC with Vince Young, then had a couple of good years with Colt McCoy, but then Mack Brown got on the downslope of his tenure. He missed on some QBs in particular, but an entitlement mentality seeped into the program, Mack couldn't pull them out of it, and he resigned/was pushed out. Charlie Strong comes in - not the perfect fit for a program like Texas where fat cat boosters run things, and a coach has to go out and schmooze with them, but he is probably the perfect guy to correct the entitlement mentality. He has had to play last year and this without a consistent QB, and they have taken their lumps, but appear to have possibly turned the corner. Still, they have to recruit some QBs, and they have to begin to win the state of Texas in recruiting again. Until he accomplishes that, they will not be all the way back.
But Texas is a blue blood program. Too many people care about the football program, and there is too much money directed toward it and made from it, for them to be down too long. It all comes down to having the right coach and the admin, fat cats, and fans being patient enough for it to happen. Problem is that when you are losing it's too easy to ask for a coaching change than to wait to see if those longer term goals in recruiting can be met.
VT is not a blue blood program (not a criticism; there are only a handful) - and there are advantages and disadvantages in that. But they have the older coach thing going on, and that coach hasn't been able to come up with a way to overcome challenges that have prevented them from winning big over the past few years. The injuries, particularly at the QB position, have been tough, so you don't know what % of the responsibility is on the head coach and how much is bad luck. And there is a certain amount of deference that has to be paid to this particular head coach. If we played word association, and you say to me "Virginia Tech football", my response is going to be "Frank Beamer" - and that is no small element of any discussion about the state of the program.
There are 2 types of successful FBS football programs: the elite schools and the "try hard" schools. The elite schools recruit the best players, hire the best coaches, have the best facilities, etc., and then they just have to develop their players into a highly functioning team. But when you have the best of everything, you have a headstart on most everyone. The "try hard" programs get the next tier of players, do a lot of red-shirting, and they work very hard at player development. They take 2 and 3 star guys and get them to perform like 4 and 5 star guys. I think of a school like Wisconsin. They usually rank in the 30s or 40s in recruiting rankings, but have been pretty consistent winners and are respected as a top program - without the best program money can buy and with very high academic standards.
What is VT? They have a little bit of an identity problem because they aren't quite an elite program with the best of everything. However, recruiting, support, facilities, etc. are better than many of the try hard schools. I wonder if being somewhere in between isn't part of the problem. I think VT could work itself up into the elite status, but that means going toe to toe with the Alabamas, USCs, Michigans, Oklahomas, etc. and you have to have the infrastructure to get there and stay there. Or you can choose to be at the top of the heap of the try harders - recruit regionally, develop players, and compete with elite in years when everything falls into line.
I may be way off, but that's what I've been thinking. FWIW
While you are posting here, can you give us your first-hand opinion/impressions of Tom Herman as a coach? My top two candidates for our next HC are Herman and Fuente.
I think the world of Tom Herman. He is a snuff-dipping member of Mensa. A brilliant mind and using a substance that is unhealthy and that results in a disgusting habit don't usually go together, but that's Tom. In terms of scheming up offenses, you won't find any better. The advantage of him being a snuff dipper is that it indicates he is just a regular guy, not an elitist like some super intelligent people are. I think the players can relate to him.
I think he cares about players. Braxton Miller didn't immediately take to him, but Tom went to the extent of going to Braxton's hometown and talking to his coaches. He found out that Braxton had a baby boy, and he used that to form a relationship with him. They did pretty well together after that. That told me that he understands the importance of a coach being relational to his players.
Tom Herman will be able to recruit elite offensive skill players: QBs, WRs, RBs. If you are the top guys in Va and surrounding states, and even nationally, why wouldn't you consider playing for a coach who focuses on production from those positions. The question would be can he recruit OL and elite defensive players.
The success of the OSU offense caused us all to know that someone would come and pluck him. But lots of coordinators are great in that role, but can't make the jump to head coach. His success at Houston would indicate that he has made that jump with ease. The only reservation I have on that is he hasn't even been in that position for a year, and I'm not aware of any controversies, arrests, etc. that he has had to deal with. That could be a reflection of him being really good at heading crap off, or it could just mean that he has been blessed with calm seas. Still, the proof of his ability to lead a program would come with seeing how he deals with some serious adversity.
Finally, I would say hiring Tom at VT would mean a philosophical and cultural shift. They would become an offensive program trying to play good defense. The identity of VT has begun with a great defense that tries to play good offense. That affects how good of a fit he would be. But if you want to see exciting offense and lots of scoring, he's your guy. But with it you might would have to be willing to win some 52-49 games - or lose some. Regardless, no one would be calling your coach an "idiot". :)
Tressel was a defense/conservative offense coach - and he won a ton of games that way. But I was so sick and tired of allowing inferior teams to hang around. Urban comes in and tries to bury people. They get up 21 on someone, and he puts the pedal to the metal and tries to go up 28. I love that. Also, if you are down 14, you are still in it. If Tressel got down two scores, the team had to play left handed. Tressel let it loose when he had to, and I've seen Urban get conservative in a few games, but on the whole, I enjoy watching Urban's teams way, way more than I did Tressel's. But the question here is what would VT fans enjoy?
Wins. Any way we can get them, I don't think it really matters. We like defense. We like smash mouth football. But I think if the team wins, we won't really care too much how they do it.
This is basically how I feel. When I hear people turning their noses up about Rich Rod or anyone else, I just tell them that once they start winning no one will care
I think the question he was asking was more about what style of play do fans want to see. I don't care what style of play we have as long as it produces wins.
That being said, I absolutely do not want Rich Rod here. For one thing, he's not the world beater that everyone seems to think he is. Arizona hasn't looked great this year. He didn't do anything at Michigan worth putting on a resume. He had a few good years at WVU in a middling Big East conference which no longer exists.
And that doesn't even consider the attitude and character that he would bring with him. One of the things I really love about Frank is that he's determined to do things the right way. Rich Rod doesn't give me the impression that he'd strive for that. I don't want to be worried about what scandal could be brewing behind the scenes.
There are plenty of other perfectly qualified candidates who would have less baggage and don't give me a fear of an impending NCAA cloud of sanctions. We don't need Rich Rod to be successful. We don't have to settle for Rich Rod. We can do much better and I'm sure Whit will knock this next hire out of the park.
I do think that style points are important nowadays, and will remain important as long as there's a committee to get into the playoff rather than a specific set of guidelines like winning your conference. As long as style points remain important, I'd rather win by overwhelming teams offensively, and playing good but not great defense. Of course, I'd ideally like us to be dominant both offensively and defensively, but if its either be dominant defensively and do enough offensively or dominant offensively and just enough defensively, I'll take the offensive onslaught.
Back and forth games are fun, and get more people to watch. The more people who watch, the bigger the games you get invited to. The bigger the games you get invited to, the more money you get from those games and more popularity you get. The more popularity you have the more people are willing to buy a ticket to see you in person and buy merchandise to rep you in public. The more this happens the more money you get.
Don't get me wrong, I love hard nosed defense, but defense doesn't get people going.
I think you make a bunch of really good points here. I know offense sells because scoring lots of points is sexy. I'd love that at VT. I think many of the older fans might appreciate the dominating defense and smash mouth football. That is fun to watch for some. I'd be okay with either, really as a fan.
From a business perspective, though, I completely agree. The best thing to help our bottom line is an exciting offense that lights up the scoreboard. That would probably be ideal.
Do we rally have to pick one?
I'd like both an offense AND a defense, please.
I think you do have to choose. They have a name for teams with a high-scoring offense and a stingy defense: national champions. :)
You look at most passing spread teams that do hurry-up no huddle: Oregon, Baylor, etc. What is their team weakness? Defense. Some of those teams don't even seem to try to play defense. It's like they are trying/hoping for 1 or 2 stops/turnovers from their defense and that's enough because their offense is going to score 60.
Your offensive aggressiveness and pace affects your defense. If you are running a play every 15 seconds, you are either scoring quickly or punting quickly. Either way, your defense is on the field A LOT. Tired defenses don't defend well. If you want to get into the I formation with a TE and ground & pound, you shorten the game, and rest your defense. Alabama was the epitome of this approach pre-Kiffin. Arkansas and LSU do it now. That's Wisconsin's approach historically.
Urban Meyer tries to compromise. He runs a spread with a power running component. They will do HUNH at times, but they usually snap the ball every 25-30 sec. There are plenty of variations, but most coaches are trying to not wear out their defense with their own offense.
I vote for the Ohio State approach.
Yeah, well, wait until they don't have Elliot, Braxton, Bosa etc. - all of that talent and experience all over the field. They will always have talent, but they won't necessarily be experienced. Then the "Ohio State approach" might not be too appealing. :)
But if you win enough, the recruits might come to keep the engine turning.
In the realm of CFB they say, "winning solves everything." That's pretty much true.
Of course, there's something to be said for the close to the wire games...but some weeks, I just want to sit down and watch our team come out and just score at will against the other team.
I miss the 62-0 games that we used to have on a regular basis in Septembers past.
You are 100% right that we are not currently a blue blood program
Thing is, we've been at or around the top of the college football world, and on people's minds for at least 20 years now, and possibly longer if you happened to pick up on us before the 1995 Sugar Bowl. We have an opportunity over the next 10 years or so to take that step from the, as you call it, 'try hard' status to the elite status. We are the premier football program of the mid-Atlantic seaboard, between Penn St and Clemson. Bring in the right coach, and we will cement ourselves as one of the true elite programs in this country.
This scares some people, but I think its a great opportunity and we should recognize it and take advantage. We have an excellent support system for whoever comes in, from the President to the AD, to the facilities, to the buy in from everyone associated with the school, to the proximity of the 757 and DC/Balt areas and the talent that annually comes out of there. We just need the right guy who will push this program to think and achieve bigger than we expect out of ourselves. A lot of people close to the collegiate game think we have a lot of untapped potential, we just need to go for it.
And we absolutely have Frank Beamer to thank for all of it. We aren't where we are without all of what he did for this school. He set a foundation that will prop up our football program for generations, and people will always think of VT as Beamerball country. Years down the line, even after he passes away, you know they'll still be calling our Special Teams the Pride and Joy, and its awesome we have that reputation. But now is the time to take this reputation and build off it.
I particularly liked your last paragraph