Virginia Tech Coaching Mega-Board 1.5: Justin Fuente and Larry Fedora

Reports indicate Justin Fuente and Larry Fedora might be in the mix for the Hokies' next head coach.

[Memphis Athletics]

Virginia Tech is in the midst of both sending Frank Beamer out on a high note, and finding his replacement. I published the Virginia Tech Coaching Mega-Board 1.0 almost two weeks ago, and there have been minor to significant reports regarding the Hokies' next football coach. (Reminder: If you would like to anonymously share tips with TKP, hit us up.)

Last Tuesday GridironNow reported Justin Fuete and Chad Morris were the top options for the Hokies.

Insiders tell GN that Memphis coach Justin Fuente definitely has caught the eye of the folks at Virginia Tech, which is searching for a coach to replace the retiring Frank Beamer. Also a legitimate candidate: SMU's Chad Morris.

Arizona's Rich Rodriguez is seen as a candidate at Virginia Tech, as well, though Fuente and Morris definitely seem to be higher on the "want" list.

That was the first time GridironNow popped up on my radar, and I'm skeptical of to believe any outlet without an established history of reputable reporting. However, its masthead lists Tony Barnhart and Mike Huguenin, two veteran sportswriters, among others.

Later that Tuesday, J.C. Shurburtt published a near identical report.

I have learned that as of today, Fuente could be called the leading candidate with Morris No. 2.

Arizona head coach Rich Rodriguez is another prominent name where the Hokies are concerned.

Among the non-dubious explanations, it appears that either a party, or independent parties, are telling GridironNow and Shurburtt the same information. In any event, my curiosity was piqued to learn more about Fuente (who I was very unfamiliar with until this season). I did a deep dive into his background and time at Memphis.

Memphis won 5 games in the three seasons prior to Fuente's arrival (2-10, 1-11, 2-10). The program was gutted, and needed to be rebuilt from the ground up. In multiple interviews, from when he was hired through 2014 and 2015, Fuente noted the Tigers' talent dearth.

"Hopefully, we do things the right way on the field and off the field and give people here confidence," Fuente said [in 2012]. "I told (the assistant coaches) we're way down in numbers and we're really young. But I also told them we're going to build this the way we want to build it. We're not going to get into that quick-fix."

"The first thing we needed were some numbers. Our roster had been decimated. We just didn't have people in the program. And through some of the legislation passed through the NCAA, it's a little more difficult to build that back up. You can't just go out and sign 40 guys. We had to figure out a way to develop our walk-on program just to increase our numbers." [Fuente said in 2014]

An FBS team is allotted 85 scholarships. In 2012, Fuente inherited a team that had just 50. His first offense returned just three starters, but that's probably just as well, because the 2011 Memphis offense was atrocious.

"We had a long way to go from a physical standpoint. The overall health of our squad, from the emotional health to the physical health, it just didn't give us a chance. I felt like if I created a list of things to improve and presented it to the team, it would overwhelm them. We had to be responsible to each other -- coming to workouts ready, on time, all those discipline things. And we needed to develop some trust with our kids. We had players who had had different position coaches every year through their time in the program."

"(The meeting) was pretty quick," he said [in 2015]. "They were getting ready for finals and to go home for Christmas break, and there weren't many guys in the room. That was the first thing I noticed when I walked in. Our numbers were atrocious at the time. I tried to set the tone from the very beginning that we were going to build this thing a certain way through a blue-collar attitude, hard work and toughness. I tried to send that tone immediately.

In a little less than four seasons, Fuente transformed an afterthought into a program that's two wins away from its second 10-win campaign in as many years. Player development is one of his strong points. Interesting tidbit: Memphis' three leading receivers in 2015 were former walk-ons.

In his third season as Memphis' QB1, former 2-star recruit (247Sports Composite) Paxton Lynch has thrown for 3,292 yards, 68.5% completions, 21 TDs, 3 INTs, and is in the discussion for the top quarterback taken in next year's NFL draft. In 2013, Fuente made a bold decision to start Lynch as a redshirt freshman over senior, returning starter Jacob Karam. Lynch's feet were to the flames while he learned Fuente's spread scheme (2,056 yards, 58.2% completions, 9 TDs, 10 INTs), but it paid off in the end.

I found it prudent, intelligent, and egoless that as a first time head coach Fuente sought out former head coaches to be part of his initial staff.

"I felt like it was important to hire someone that had been a head coach on staff," Fuente remarked. "Someone had thought about all the things I was going to deal with. I knew how we were going to practice, how offseason would work, how our days were going to look. I walked in ready to go because I loved the way we did it at TCU. But I knew enough to know things would come along I hadn't thought of. I'm comfortable with it. It doesn't bother me. They're comfortable enough in their skin, comfortable voicing an opinion. And I'll make a final decision. and we'll go out and make it work."

Another coach understands the importance of a good people around him.

The Tigers' defense steadily improved under coordinator Barry Odom. Its S&P+ ranks in 2012, 2013, and 2014 were 85th, 49th, and 23rd, respectively. However, Odom left Memphis for Missouri this season and the Tigers dipped to 88th (Mizzou is 12th). Given Fuente's focus on offense, and his blue-collar approach, he could pair well with Bud Foster and Virginia Tech's identity.

Memphis hasn't lit up the recruiting trail on Fuente's watch. According to the 247Sports Composite, the Tigers' have feasted on a steady diet of 2- and 3-star recruits from 2012-2015. The school is located in the heart of SEC country, and it's understandable it doesn't have the resources to compete with SEC schools—few schools do. However, if wins are any indication, Fuente was able to find players that fit his system and develop them, which is as important as star power.

It may seem unthinkable, but Fuente may be at Memphis for the long haul. There's plans for a $40 million athletic facilities project, and Memphis is making itself as attractive as possible to the Big 12.

"I try not to make definitive statements about anything that loop back around and bite you in the tail later on. But I know we've got a lot of sweat equity invested in this program right now," Fuente said. "We have the potential for a very bright future down the road. That won't all accumulate when we play Ole Miss. It's got to be a long process. But I certainly can see a situation where we could build something pretty special."

Fuente is a proven, no-nonsense program builder. He has an effective offensive philosophy and identity that he believes in. He develops quarterbacks, often the position that separates teams on the field. Although, the jury is out on whether he's a great recruiter; the current evidence mostly points to the contrary. His loyalty to Memphis might be tough for Virginia Tech to overcome.

On Monday, FootballScoop.com reported RichRod isn't in the running for the Virginia Tech job, but Larry Fedora may be a target.

Sources tell FootballScoop that Whit Babcock considers Larry Fedora a strong candidate at Virginia Tech. We are also of the understanding that Rich Rodriguez will not be a candidate for this position.

In a short amount of time, Fedora's rumored candidacy has polarized TKP almost as much as Rodriguez's. It's entirely possible Fedora (or his agent) is floating his name to hit a payday after the season. Or perhaps with UNC rolling into town, it's some high-level gamesmanship.

There's a certain fisherman who summarized Fedora as a doofus, and for good reason. Fedora can't get out of his own way at times. During North Carolia–South Carolina, I second guessed his offensive decision making like he was Bryan Stinespring.

I believe the pros outweigh the cons though. Fedora puts productive offenses on the field. He's coached all of his teams to bowl eligible records. He won the Conference USA championship at Southern Miss, and is on the brink of a Coastal Division crown at North Carolina. The latter would be accomplished in the face of UNC's academic scandal and NCAA sanctions.

He has Mid-Atlantic recruiting experience, and his Freak Show camp is innovative and effective.

And when it comes to hype, well, the Freak Show might be in a class of its own. UNC produced no less than 11 promotional videos associated with the Freak Show that can be found on YouTube, all of them designed to build mystique around the event. In one of the videos, a voice that sounds like it belongs on a state fair midway goes on about the "strangest creatures on earth" and the "living wonders of the world."

"We're always trying to do things outside the box," Fedora said. "We're always trying to do things that other people don't do, because we are different at Carolina. So we're going to always think a different way. So I think it probably helps that there aren't a lot of people that do things like that.

"Because I think that's part of the mystique that the kids really enjoy. They want to find out about it."

A year ago, UNC received four commitments at the Freak Show. This year two more followed, which added to the two commitments Fedora received during one of his less-freaky camps earlier in the week.

Fedora and Foster could be a potent combination. More than that, hiring Fedora would be a coup for Whit Babcock. To poach a coach from the same conference, let alone same division, would be a statement move. Tech would secure one of the most accomplished coaches in the ACC Coastal, meanwhile UNC would be left at the drawing board with more potential NCAA punishments looming.

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Fuente sounds like the perfect fit for Tech

If we surround him with some stud recruiters and BF sticks around, then yes.

"Give me a fu¢king beer", Anonymous Genius

Why would he need stud recruiters when he is taking 2 / 3 star guys and punching Ole Miss in the mouth? Almost took down a pretty decent UCLA team in 2014 as well. Seems to me he would be a nightmare for opponents with stud recruiters.

@hokie_rd

Because it is a lot easier to win with great recruiting classes

Understood, but why is that a requirement for him to be a great fit at VT?

@hokie_rd

Because obviously everyone's reason for "Frank needs to go" is because 2 / 3 star guys aren't enough for our fanbase. s/

Why would he need stud recruiters when he is taking 2 / 3 star guys and punching Ole Miss in the mouth?

Developing 3 star kids gets you 9-10 wins and conference championship appearances. Developing 4/5 star kids gets you playoff births and national championships.

Again, I understand, but my comments continue to be in response to this. Not the merits of recruiting good talent.

If we surround him with some stud recruiters and BF sticks around, then yes.

In other words, is the criteria for hiring Fuente that we must have stud recruiters that consistently get 4/5 star kids? If that is the case, and we can get recruiters that solid, then why would we take a shot at names that have rebuilt programs with less than ideal talent?

@hokie_rd

In other words, is the criteria for hiring Fuente that we must have stud recruiters that consistently get 4/5 star kids? If that is the case, and we can get recruiters that solid, then why would we take a shot at names that have rebuilt programs with less than ideal talent?

The criteria is that the new staff can recruit better than the previous staff. I'd like to see us inside the top 20 each year, with a dip into the top 10 every few years.

Ability to develop talent and the ability to recruit talent are not mutually exclusive. Staffs on national championship teams do both. A national title is our program's goal. We need a staff who can achieve this goal.

They are not mutually exclusive, it just so happens that outside of the top 5-10 programs in the country, most coaches are usually great at one, and good at the other, not necessarily both. Otherwise they would be an highly coveted coach targeted by elite programs sooner rather than later. I'll gladly stick with my hope for coaching and development as #1, rather than recruiting as priority #1.

@hokie_rd

That's part of building a staff too. A good coach will realize their weakness and staff accordingly. The staff as a whole must be able to both develop and recruit talent. If we really are the #2 job available this off season, then there's no reason we can't hire a coaching staff that can both recruit and develop talent.

I'd love to get a coaching staff that is good at everything just like you are saying. However, I am not willing to accept as fact that Fuente is ONLY a great fit for VT IF we can get stud recruiters. I think he can be really good based upon his own skill sets. With stud recruiters around him he could be great. I'd love to win an NC, but I think that goal may take longer than we would all hope. Being the number 2 job does not mean we are the number 2 with respect to opportunity to win a NC. The fact is with the recruits available in their backyard, and a weak Coastal, that potential would go to Miami. Many calling it the number 2 job are factoring in everything, facilities, our rational, realistic, and supportive fan base, pay, talent, culture, AD, job security, etc. If a coach is talented, cares a ton about winning a NC (more so than pay, or at least immediate pay), and thinks he can have a fair shake at recruiting well in FL, then Miami is a better job.

@hokie_rd

However, I am not willing to accept as fact that Fuente is ONLY a great fit for VT IF we can get stud recruiters

100% agreed here. I don't know much about Fuente's recruiting. TCU was not a power 5 team when he was there. I imagine it's tough to recruit at Memphis, a non-P5 program coming off of many terrible seasons.

Fuente (or any head coach) does need to demonstrate (before being hired) that he has a specific plan for recruiting. We always talk about how we have an identity on defense, and how we need an identity on offense. We need an identity in recruiting as well. We don't necessarily need a member on our staff who has a history of getting multiple blue chip recruits every year (although it would be nice) but we need position coaches who land recruits more often than not. We need a head coach who has a recruiting strategy, and that strategy needs to be ingrained at all levels of this program (Administrators, Ops, head coach, assistant coach, GA's, social media marketing, etc).

Right now, our major pitch is the family atmosphere. This is echoed everywhere - Frank and his assistants talk about it all the time. VT Athletics tweet about it all the time. Marketing is aware. Someone (likely in our athletic/marketing department) submitted geofilters to snapchat. Fuente may or may not want to continue this identity. Whatever the case, it's his responsibility to ensure that the athletic department, his assistant, position coaches, etc. all buy in 100% to his recruiting strategy.

Building a good staff is obviously part of the program, but loads of good/great recruiting staffs (ahem, Al Groh's UVA), were inept at developing that recruiting into a winning program.

Fuente is in a tough recruiting state-TN isn't recruit-rich. As well, he's competing against SEC schools for athletes. He's also only been at Memphis for only three years.

Recruiting follows winning in the majority of cases.

Recruiting follows winning in the majority of cases

I think to a point but MANY more factors play in. If that was the case UNC, Maryland, Miami, Duke would not have beaten Tech out for recruits that much.

Wet stuff on the red stuff.

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I agree. But there will always be kids who want to play for those teams no matter how bad they are. Beamer and staff built a great program at VT, but certain types of athletes never would consider us seriously because of the style of offense or defense we play (Percy Harvin comes to mind). Players want to win; and they want to play in a system that will showcase their talents.

I agree completely but sadly I feel like this is the case more because of our recruiting failures more than those teams recruiting successes. Just imagine if we could recruit more in relationship with our football reputation. One can dream right? Sigh...

Using /s is for cowards.

Wondering how Clemson went from 2011 ACC Championship to #1 this year

Virginia kids need a sexy offense providing a pipeline to the NFL. Virginia kids need a nasty D providing a pipeline to the NFL.

We put those two things in place and nothing else matters. Someone else puts it in place in the local area (NC, Tennessee, WV, MD, PA) and we will suffer. Whit is gonna make this happen.

Can someone explain the table to me? I only see Clemson on 2011, 2012, and 2015 won't no real pattern.

From the Bay State to Old Dominion. The coast of New England to the mountains of Appalachia. LETS GO...HOKIES!

Stack 3 top 10 recruiting classes with a 15th ranked class in 2013 and a 17th ranked class in 2014 and you have the #1 ranked team that could win the big title. You also have depth so when kids leave and get injured you won't be stuck with a walk on in your 2 deep.

Depth Matters and pulling in top 20 recruiting classes can help mask a ton of problems whether its injuries, kids leaving early or kids not performing.

Good coaching and good recruiting. It's a virtuous cycle. Sometimes, one follows the other. If each aspect is in relative balance, then success will follow.

Fuente has been my number one all along. What he has done at Memphis is much more impressive to me than any of the other G5 coaches whose names have been floating around.

The Orange and Maroon you see, that's fighting on to victory.

I just want to keep Foster, in some capacity. We will not get a better defensive coordinator.

If Foster is still here in some capacity, I think we need a coach that can recruit to Foster's style considering that Foster does no recruiting whatsoever.

Bud recruitted McMillan, Teller, and Enkanem. Seems like he's doing okay

Foster does no recruiting whatsoever.

It's ridiculous to think that Bud does not recruit or that he doesn't think recruiting is important.

"A person is smart. People are dumb, panicky dangerous animals and you know it." - K

Where did this asinine idea that Bud Foster doesn't recruit come from??

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It's the only logical explanation why Anthony went to Clemson, Nnadi and Sweat went to FSU, and Hand went to Alabama. If Bud Foster recruited, they all would've been Hokies. s/

For those of us who follow VT recruiting, there is no question that Foster is a weak recruiter.

Weak does not equal "doesn't recruit"

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Did you think it was intended literally?

considering that Foster does no recruiting whatsoever

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He may not be the best car salesman, but a pile of great talent has come to VT over the years to specifically play for Bud.

"A person is smart. People are dumb, panicky dangerous animals and you know it." - K

Are you suggesting if he was selling a shiny new Mustang or Cougar -or even one of those models built in Tennessee- instead of a high mileage (but well-maintained) Beamer, he might sell more cars?

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-What we do is, if we need that extra push, you know what we do? -Put it up to fully dipped? -Fully dipped. Exactly. It's dork magic.

Lock up your sons.
He's got a Cougar.

This is going to be great for the ACC.

Great analogy

"A person is smart. People are dumb, panicky dangerous animals and you know it." - K

There was a time (10 or so years ago) where he did not do much recruiting. Times have changed but the perception (incorrect though it is) has not

Bud has improved, but there is still nobody saying that he's a "good" recruiter. He's probably still the worst on our staff, but he's no Billy Hite (or early 2000's Bud Foster).

Bud has mellowed out a lot. He's a pretty sincere dude (thinking of the post Military Bowl interview last year) and I'm sure that plays up. He was pretty brash there for a while. But, his system is still a detriment to recruiting. Look at the current LB situation as proof.

Watch for Matt Campbell to slip back into the discussion after Toledo stuck with the running game to quell a big Bowling Green comeback on national TV last night.

Five star get after it 100 percent Juice Key-Playing. MAN

Not to take anything away from the other candidates (except maybe RichRod), but Campbell seems very Beamer-esque off the field. He's certainly impressive on the sidelines as well and I'm glad they rebounded from the loss to NIU. I'm interested in what he does with his career wherever he ends up.

Really like Fuente (from what I've seen in interviews, etc.). May major concern with him is recruiting. He has being recruiting with one-hand-tied-behind-his-back, but I wonder what he would do here. Not saying he couldn't be good, but it is an unknown.

We put the K in Kwality

My spelling may be a little off but after reading that I'm pretty sure you can't spell Lunch Pail without Fuente. I'd be down with that hire 100%. Love the mentality that he has and hearing what he does with development makes me believe that VT's history of walk-ons would continue. We want all of the Sam Rogers.

Only downside is that I thought he was super tight with his DC.

It seems like the top 3 choices are Fuente, Fedora, and Morris. I'd be thrilled with any one of them, especially if Bud sticks around.

Nice Article. Success is important, but I think its clear from the fanbase that the coaches character plays a really important role for the VT hire, maybe thats how all schools are, but I dont know, we've never done this before.

I just know for me, and maybe its from so many years watching Frank, but I would take a 9 win coach who has class and integrity over a class-less National Champion Coach. #urban

I love the way Fuente conducts himself, I believe he is worth the risk.

I want ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to do with Larry Fedora.

(Unless he actually starts wearing a trademark Fedora... then I could possibly come back to the table.)

Leonard. Duh.

Fuente + Foster = Murray State connection @ VT

not interested in seeing Fedora as HC for us...

Me either. It'd be like poaching Al Groh from UVA. UNC get a lot of recruits because they're UNC.

Fuente seems like a great culture fit. But I'm really hoping for a dynamite 'crooter (which he may or may not be).

I think Herman is the home run, and I've still got him #1. However the feeling may not be mutual.

Not sure how I feel about le fedora, m'lady.

Every second counts

With all the jokes we've made about Fedora...how would we feel if others started making the jokes about us??!!

We put the K in Kwality

Good lord we are "The home of the fighting Gobblers". I think our skin is plenty tough by now.

Let's say for argument's sake that where there's smoke there's fire (read: rumors out of Baton Rouge), and LSU's AD took a stupid pill and cut Les Miles loose at the end of the season. Does he garner any interest from VT? Could we even afford him?

Whit would be a fool to not at least pick up the phone.

"Exit light..."

Hey Les. If you come to Tech, we'll name a stadium dorm after you

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Onward and upward

Boom.

Leonard. Duh.

..not to mention our turf management students will provide you all you can eat grass

Now finish up them taters; I'm gonna go fondle my sweaters.

Les Miles the bet possible hire IMO.

Edit: Charlie Strong would be up there too.

flip side of that coin: if they fire Miles, is the LSU job more attractive than ours? Is it possible firing him actually keeps us from getting our first choice (assuming Miles doesn't become our first choice).

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Yes it 100% is

Every second counts

I agree. Les leaving LSU hurts us way more than it helps. How many times have we discussed on this board how the next coach needs to be younger and re-energize this program/boost recruiting? Les is 62, so you have to wonder how many more years he's going to want to coach. I think it would definitely be a huge splash, but realistically, we're going to be doing this again in 3-5 years. Would it be worth it? I'm not sure. I do know that an LSU opening is going to reduce our pool of top candidates.

Les is 62, so you have to wonder how many more years he's going to want to coach.

Les Miles may be 62, I think he's got the energy to keep at it another 5-7 years. Hell, the guy looks and acts younger than me, at 38. Maybe I should start eating more grass...

How many times have we discussed on this board how the next coach needs to be younger and re-energize this program/boost recruiting?

Regardless of age, I don't think there's any way that a coach with his pedigree could do anything but reinvigorate recruiting here.

I think it would definitely be a huge splash, but realistically, we're going to be doing this again in 3-5 years.

Unfortunately, this is the new reality of college football. No matter who Whit hires, we can expect to be going through this process in 4-8 years. (Unless it's Bud, and he's successful. I can't imagine him leaving after this long here, and he's probably got another 10-15 years until he's ready to hang it up). Frank has definitely spoiled us with his loyalty to the program.

“You got one guy going boom, one guy going whack, and one guy not getting in the endzone.”
― John Madden (describing VT's offense?)

maybe Les will coach a CFL team. Only then he'd have to change his name to Fewer Kilometers...

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I realize this is a little bit of a non-sequitur, but here is hoping that Les Miles wins out the rest of the season at LSU, otherwise, the rumors are starting that he may not be back and that could hurt our chances of landing any of these coaches.

Personally, I would want either Fuentes or Morris. So long as we can convince Bud Foster to stay.

Go Hokies!

Fuente has been my favorite all along. I understand the sentiments with recruiting, but every coach is going to have one flaw. I think with a fanbase like VT's, the resources he would be given, and the sheer fact that Virginia Tech has so much more weight than Memphis, he would improve.

I have no idea why my username is VT_Warthog.

Arkansas blew a 24-0 lead in the Belk Bowl.

Shitty recruiting (which remains to be seen) would be a huge flaw. We have been treading .500 the last few years due to poor recruiting. I don't see how someone can discount that so much.

It seems like most on here hate Fedora, but he can flat out recruit. Pair him with BF and we will be in the conference championship game shortly.

"Give me a fu¢king beer", Anonymous Genius

Until he does what he did during the USCe game again. Fedora has a high floor but low ceiling. VT would win 8-10 wins every year under him but I think miss out on any real chance at playoffs or NY6 bowls.

Wet stuff on the red stuff.

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How so? - This year, UNC will have a to win two more games (either VT or NCSU, and Clemson) to get to a NY6 bowl. That doesn't seem very improbable.

Edit: UNC could also be in the ACCCG without a win over VT or NCSU, if Pitt loses to either Louisville or Miami. I would guess using the amazing Joelestra probability analysis, that Fedora has somewhere around 30-35% chance to make a NY6 bowl this year.

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We shall see.

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*EVERY* coach makes a bonehead call, play, timeout, etc. It happens to them all.

"Give me a fu¢king beer", Anonymous Genius

*EVERY* coach makes a bonehead call, play, timeout, etc. It happens to them all.

Yea but you have to admit it happens to some more than others...

Using /s is for cowards.

+1 touche

"Give me a fu¢king beer", Anonymous Genius

...and that's french...so it fits!

We put the K in Kwality

Lets be honest, the picks weren't on him. Forgetting he had Hood, yes. But the picks were on Williams.

Totally agree. I hope that everyone that says he's been mediocre until this year realizes that the reason for success is Chizik at DC. Thus, Fedora + good DC = good team. Essentially the near same equation everyone is using for Herman, Fuente, and Morris; X + Foster = VT good again. (Although, Herman may not need an elite DC to be good in P5).

So, besides the typical the grass-is-greener-on there-other-side mentality, I fail to see how people strongly prefer Fuente or Morris over Fedora. All three are great offensive minds that would require an excellent DC to become elite.

Edit: corrected to Chizik

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Chizik at DC.

Can we get over this recruiting stuff. VT has never been a big recruiter and honestly Fuente knows how to use the kids around him. Working with 2/3 star recruits and getting 10 win seasons? Are you kidding me this guy would be great! We already have the Campus, Fans, Lane Stadium, Enter Sandman, Beamer Barn, etc... recruits that he would get would fit his scheme. Let us not become the U with a bunch of 4 stars that don't know how to play as a team... just sayin

-Semper Primus

Fuente knows how to use the kids around him.

The same used to be said about Frank. But not being the best recruiter can catch up with you.

Also, coaching ability and recruiting ability are not mutually exclusive

Every second counts

He's getting 2/3 star recruits at Memphis, with only one (now two after this season) year of high-level success. If he stays it's fair to say that his recruiting will likely pick up considerably. Coming to Tech would only help with that.

2/3 star recruits won't win you championships

I am the heartbeat of Blacksburg. A fortress built out of stone but made with champions.

He's doing that at Memphis. A place that was getting 0 recruits when he got there as the entire team was down to 50 players. Even with just 2/3 stars, that's still a marked improvement in recruiting. Nick Saban wasn't getting 5 stars handed to him at Michigan State, just as Urban Meyer wasn't at Utah. You give them better resources and pedigree and the level improves. I would say that getting 2/3 stars to Memphis is equivalent to getting 4 stars to Tech.

You mean lets not become Clemson? A team built on lots of 4* talent with a couple of super star 5* players that built themselves up from the ACC

Yea

You do realize that while you think this proves that a team must be in the top ten to win it, it proves the opposite. Every year but 2009 has at least a "just missed" team outside the top ten the previous year and beyond. Recruiting is important, yes, but not the only thing.

Who should we hire that will get to us to top 10 recruiting classes? This chart just shows that fertile recruiting ground and the national powers continually generate top 10 recruiting classes.

@hokie_rd

^ This. Someone else did a really thorough analysis of how the top 15 spots or so are generally occupied by the same schools. Then there are a few that rotate in and out. Note how the same names keep showing up, just in slightly different order. Most of the schools shown above underwent 1 or more coaching changes during this time. The coach himself means little in this equation. Having the right energy and vision is the key to entering the conversation, but a tradition of winning, good facilities, and favorable geography really are the keys here. So anyone expecting an immediate turnaround in VT recruiting is going to be disappointed, I think. I want someone who is a high energy recruiter to give us a chance to enter this top tier, because I think we have a lot of the other points covered, but it's going to take some time to really make a big change in our recruiting.

"Exit light..."

I think there may be an immediate improvement with restabilizing the program. I feel that everything we have done in the last few years to strengthen recruiting has been offset by the uncertainty with Frank's situation. So the new coach will immediately reap those benefits and may improve a few things by breathing new life into the program. However, perennial top ten recruiting classes will take some some magic, and I don't believe in fairytales when it comes to football. I would be glad to eat my words if I'm wrong.

"A person is smart. People are dumb, panicky dangerous animals and you know it." - K

I think we've had less uncertainty than most schools and their coaching carousel.
Frank' "situation" has little to. O impact at all.

This is going to be great for the ACC.

This is how I feel every time a new thread bout potential HC's pops up

Onward and upward

You and I have been on imgur too much

imgur is great at taking a joke from funny to completely overdone in less than 24 hours...

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I disagree the Vincent Vega gif shop o-rama has been my favorite. The stupid pochontas one was bad.

I have no idea why my username is VT_Warthog.

Arkansas blew a 24-0 lead in the Belk Bowl.

False! Dickbutts got really old really fast. Javert got way old. I keep falling for PoorlyPhotoshoppedMichaelSera but they're generally clever. And Kocoum was the one that made me laugh out loud more consistently than any of the others. My goodness some of those were face-meltingly funny. These Vega ones are usually pretty clever too.

Just received a nice surprise, my nephew just called and invited me to game. 50 yard line tickets!

But is your nephew Larry Fedora?

Can't anyone stay on topic?!?
/s

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Is that the ice cream truck?

We put the K in Kwality

During North Carolia–South Carolina, I second guessed his offensive decision making like he was Bryan Stinespring.

"I liked you guys a lot better when everybody told you you were terrible." -Justin Fuente

So Fuente for head coach, Bud for DC, and Frank Wilson for recruit coordinator/ running backs since Les is being pushed out for dumb reasons.

And for funsies Jeff Scott of Clemson for WR coach

i'm pretty excited about the les miles offensive experience, you guys.

eric

"My advice to you... is to start drinking heavily."-John Blutarsky

I think we can all (most?) agree that a Rich Rod hire would be the most offensive experience.

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Charles Weis = Most offensive. Rich Rod slightly less offensive.

I know this might not sit well with some of you, but if you are of the opinion that Great offensive mind + Foster = PROFIT" then you don't have to really look any further because we already have that.

Loeffler.

I'm not saying that he's going to be out next OC, but he is a good offensive mind and a good OC. To that extent he's like Fuente. The point being is that we need a RECRUITER to really close the deal, since a great offensive mind with no high-profile recruits is going to be like the past few years all over again.

To that extent, I throw my support behind either Fedora, Morris, or Herman.

I know this might not sit well with some of you, but if you are of the opinion that Great offensive mind + Foster = PROFIT" then you don't have to really look any further because we already have that.

Loeffler.

hahahaahahahhaahahahahahahaa

Every second counts

uhhhhh....thanks for down voting?

Wasn't me

EDIT:

Every second counts

BREAKING: mitchell is actually Shaggy

The Orange and Maroon you see, that's fighting on to victory.

1. mitchell didn't down vote you.
2. Don't complain about down votes (it very well could have been a mistake), and it adds nothing to the conversation.
3. Why would you down vote mitchell's comment if it's the very thing you're complaining about in the first place?

An eye for an eye and the world would be blind ~ Gandhi

Onward and upward

I was weak and was petty. I'm sorry @mitchell.

EDIT: upvoted you for good karma.

No worries homie

Every second counts

Pretty sure it was me. Accidentally hit the DV when clicking between monitors and didn't catch it for a couple mins before resetting.

"When I was growing up, Virginia Tech was a school that was kicking ass and taking names, and it's time we get back to that" - James Franklin

Agreed. This must be the nadir.

Please, Whit, for god sake, just name a HC.

Eh, I'm not entirely convinced Loeffler is a "great offensive mind". I think we hold him in high regard as he's definitely better at playcalling than the guy who preceded him (Stinespring) at offensive coordinator.

Overall Loeffler did an okay job this year (especially given the circumstances), but frankly in the college football landscape I don't see him as much more than average. I'd take someone like Herman over him in a heartbeat, and frankly from what i've seen I think Morris and Fuentes are both better as well. Hell look at Fuentes has done with his offense (even against the likes of Ole Miss), and that's with a quarterback that was a 2 star recruit (Paxton Lynch) and their top 3 receivers being former walk ons.

And honestly, I think it's a bit unfair to criticize Fuentes's recruiting too harshly. He inherited a dumpster fire of a program (arguably one of the worst if not the worst in fbs) when he took over. He had to bring in a ton of walk ons to be able to fill out the roster as they literally didn't have enough players and he knew he couldn't sign a class of 40 guys in one year (obviously already talked about in depth in this column). He was also a relative unknown in SEC country where the pull of schools like Alabama, Auburn and LSU with way more prestige, success, and resources would be very present and very tough to compete with. The fact that he has been reeling in classes with 3 star recruits I don't think is really such a negative given the context. And I don't think you ignore that the guy has brought a program like that and turned them into a 10 win team so quickly. That's an extremely impressive accomplishment that should not be ignored.

Thoroughly agree with you on Fuente. His work has been a masterpiece over there. Just getting anyone with any type of talent to come to Memphis is a huge accomplishment. They couldn't even get enough players to fill the roster 5 years ago. You think that would happen at our school? If any of us had kids who were 3-5 star recruits in high school would we push them to go to Memphis? LOL. And no disrespect meant to that school or city but Seriously....just say it out loud. Hell we celebrate all the time landing 3 star recruits....as well we should. But all of a sudden the kids with similar ratings that we tout getting to Blacksburg because they are "our kind of guys" are considered recruiting failures when he got them to come to freaking Memphis. Good lord. Have any of you that are saying he cant recruit ever been to Memphis and it's campus? He is literally working with squat there in terms of resources and prestige of the school football program compared to what he could have here. And he is winning and beating way better teams and programs than we have in years.

Fuentes's

Using /s is for cowards.

lol Loeffler is in no way shape or form a great offensive mind.

I like Tom Herman a lot, and he is falling off the radar. Urban Meyer understudy who knows how to run an effective system.

Fuente isn't the guy in my mind, and Memphis is falling off as we speak. If Temple beats them this weekend we should run the other way.

No power 5 team would go up against Houston right now and feel super confident, never mind a group of 5 team. Herman put up an incredible offensive performance late in the game to steal that one back. I wouldn't go so far as to say Memphis is falling off.

@hokie_rd

If Temple beats them this weekend we should run the other way.

The last thing I'd want to do is to either rule in or rule out a head coaching candidate based on the outcome of one game.

I have no idea who the next big whistle is gonna be. As long as it isn't RichRod, I'm ok. If Bud is HC or is retained, even better. I think we find out sometime between Dec. 5th & Dec 12th. And Whit isn't gonna drop hints. We might have a few hours of "pretty sure" speculation a few hours before the press conference. Until then, don't believe a thing you read or hear.

Take the shortest route to the ball and arrive in bad humor.

is Dec 5th-12th the general feeling out there?

Fuente was one missed field goal away from beating a team that has considerably more star power on it

And he got smacked the week before by Navy. Womp womp.

Stopping a good triple option attack isn't easy

and he is falling off the radar.

That's it, crank up the #HokiesforHerman

If you don't want to recruit clowns, don't run a clown show.

"I want to punch people from UVA right in the neck." - Colin Cowherd

Doesn't Herman have an expensive buyout? $2.5 mil and it goes up from there because of taxes?

You will see this game, this upset and this sign next on ESPN Sportscenter. Virginia Tech 31 Miami 7

His decision was made after a phone call with longtime Virginia Tech assistant coach Bud Foster. All Foster told him was, "We win. They don't."

If we hire Fuente can we call him "Kevin"?

Cause honestly I have no idea how to pronounce his last name.

We put the K in Kwality

It's pronounced "Fuente".

I hope that clears it up.

"We judge ourselves by our intentions and others by their behavior" Stephen M.R. Covey

“When life knocks you down plan to land on your back, because if you can look up, you can get up, if you fall flat on your face it can kill your spirit” David Wilson

IMO Tom Herman has the potential to be the next great college coach. I really want him, but doubt it happens.

Judging Fuente on recruiting at Memphis isn't really fair. Think he'd be a great get. Herman is top notch but he doesn't seem to be on the radar .. Not sure if he has much interest in an ACC program. Becoming more and more clear that we all feel like keeping Bud is a big deal and I agree .. You're not gonna find a better DC.

Where HC in ('Fuente','Herman','Morris') and exists ( select 1 from VT where DC='Bud')

Seems like a lot of things are pointing to Fuente

Read an article on Dan Mullen earlier .. That dude would be the mother load .. Over Herman. We'd be back to winning ACC 'ships quickly

Agree on Mullen. I'd take him in a heartbeat and think he is incredibly under appreciated at Miss State

Joffrey, Cersei, Ilyn Payne, the Hound, Jeff Jagodzinski, Paul Johnson, Pat Narduzzi.

Agreed, but doesn't he already make ~$4.5mm/year? We don't have that kinda money to pay.

"Give me a fu¢king beer", Anonymous Genius

Agreed, but doesn't he already make ~$4.5mm/year? We don't have that kinda money to pay.

mm? Like millimillion?

Onward and upward

How 'bout that! Learn something new every day (now I can go home, right?). As you might have noticed I'm not in accounting so that went over my head :/

thanks for clarifying though, I honestly just thought it was a typo. Figured you got a little over exuberant with that 'm' key

Onward and upward

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Demetri Martin is funny. Has a very similar style to Mitch Hedberg (RIP). Lots of one-liners.

Onward and upward

Aaaaand that explains the financial crisis.

Thank you for your support, my write-in campaign starts today.

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Mone started when I was driving last night at 5:05pm and it was pitch black out. Fireman for president and END DAYLIGHT SAVING TIME

Wet stuff on the red stuff.

Join us in the Key Players Club

We just ended daylight savings time. This is "normal time." I think what you should campaign on is "keep daylight savings time year-round."

"Exit light..."

The guys that moved my stuff from Blacksburg to Knoxville also moved Mullen from Florida to Miss State. Said he was quite the jerk, for whatever that's worth.

I still like Herman as my number one and Fuente as number two.....or a 1b. Morris third.

If you don't want to recruit clowns, don't run a clown show.

"I want to punch people from UVA right in the neck." - Colin Cowherd

Been thinking about this and during my ruminations, I recall an anecdote from CFB's last book "Let Me Be Frank".

CFB stated that he didnt take the UNC job because he looked at the facilities there and saw that it was all built on someone else's blood, sweat and tears and so he decided he wanted to stay at VT.

Considering that Fuentes is building up Memphis and there are rumors of Memphis being on the Big 12 radar for expansion. Has it occurred to people that perhaps Fuentes might decide to stay at Memphis for the same reasons CFB said no to UNC?

Might not look good offering to a candidate only to be turned down.

Go Hokies!

No, him staying at Memphs hasn't occurred to anyone.

Obviously it has occurred to the people in the AD. My question was directed to the folks here on this website.

Go Hokies!

Beamer had just gotten us to the National Championship Game. There was legitimate potential to solidify us as a power at that time based on what he has already accomplished here. Slightly different scenario then what Fuente has at Memphis.

"When I was growing up, Virginia Tech was a school that was kicking ass and taking names, and it's time we get back to that" - James Franklin

Slightly different, I agree, but Memphis isn't far removed from competing in a NY6 bowl. If Temple stayed the course, and Memphis didn't lose, there could well have been talk of Memphis in the playoff. They are certainly on the cusp of something big.

TKPhi Damn Proud
BSME 2009

There is a giant step up from NY6/BCS bowl to National Championship Game/Playoffs.

Wake Forest and Kansas have made BCS games, and now that pool is further diluted by making it easier for the Group of 6 to make it. There's a really big step that needs to be made to go from getting into one of those games, and legitimately playing for a National Title. Beamer had accomplished that step at VT, and saw what a springboard that would be. Fuente is on a course to go where Wake and Kansas have gone before.

"When I was growing up, Virginia Tech was a school that was kicking ass and taking names, and it's time we get back to that" - James Franklin

It's certainly possible, might even be the most likely outcome for him. Over the past few years though, he has been very careful not to say anything that would make him seem hypocritical if he were to leave at the end of the year. I get the impression he wants to build that program, but has been open to a possible step up. Also, while Memphis might be on the radar of the Big 12, that doesn't mean it automatically happens, it's still a toss-up and not looking for power-5 jobs would be a pretty big risk to take.

long time tkp lurker, first post, but i think Hokie nation would be happy with either Fuente, Herman, or Morris. Young coaches with something to prove in a P5 conf. that are exciting recruiters with blue collar work ethic. But after Buzz, I trust in Whit 100%

VB born, class of '14

Bud for HC

SMU is 1-9...why do people want Chad Morris?

context

Onward and upward

I just gotta say, the "we don't need to worry about recruiting" sentiment some people have is almost as bad as the "Frank needs to still be the coach in 2016 because Bristol" one.

Literally no one has said that.

FWIW

I'm hoping this means we will name the new coach right after the UVA game, or very shortly thereafter. If that is the timeline, that could possibly eliminate Herman (Houston playing in their conference championship game if they beat Navy next weekend).

I'm not saying that wouldn't be the case, but consider that Herman was announced as Houston's next head coach well before he coached OSU in the national title game.

Very true, who knows. I hope this means that Whit knows who he's going to hire and an announcement is forthcoming.

It's probably a little different hiring a coordinator into a head coaching job than hiring someone who's already a head coach.

Just for context, the timeline last year:
-December 6 - B1G championship game, Houston's final game
-December 8 - Houston coach fired
-December 15 - Herman hired at Houston
-January 1 - Sugar Bowl
-January 2 - Armed Forces Bowl (Houston vs. Pitt) w/ interim coach
-January 12 - National Championship

FWIW I prefer Memphis BBQ over Texas and mustard BBQ is just strange. Thanks for nothing Carolina.

From the Bay State to Old Dominion. The coast of New England to the mountains of Appalachia. LETS GO...HOKIES!

Yeah, vinegar-based BBQ sauces may be the worst thing humanity has ever created.

hoboy...can't wait till TheFifthFuller sees this..I'd sure like to be a fly on the wall in his office at the time

Onward and upward

"When I was growing up, Virginia Tech was a school that was kicking ass and taking names, and it's time we get back to that" - James Franklin

Anything other than vinegar based should be used for cake icing. It's worthless for anything else.
If you need that other stuff, you aren't doing your BBQ even close to correctly.

This is going to be great for the ACC.

Too much vinegar overpowers the taste of the meat.

Too much vinegar overpowers brings out the taste of the meat

Using /s is for cowards.