So, who saw old Dabo absolutely losing his mind and berating the hell out of his punter after his (apparently) unilateral decision to take off on that punt attempt during the ACCCG? On the camera shot from behind the punter it looked to me like he must have felt like the punt was going to get blocked, so he pulled it down and made a run for it. Either way, it was ill advised, but I think the first minute of ass chewing should have been enough. But old Dabo kept going back in for more. A little excessive IMO.
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Don't mess with a machine vying for #1 in the CFP, I guess. I don't have a problem with Dabo takin' it to his punter but what bothered me a little was when he tossed his punter under the bus in the half time side-line interview he had. That's not going to sit well with a lot of folks. I lost some respect for Dabo with that move.
I agree.
I suspect the punter knew he had blown it the second he got tackled. No need to berate him, then berate him again after the score, AND in the halftime interview on national TV.
Not the end of the world, but it seemed excessive.
Alright. It has to be done.
I too thought that comment in the interview was surprisingly harsh. He said the punter cost them a TD. As a coach I don't feel like you can lay all the blame on one guy like that. After all the Clemson d still surrended 30+ yards and the TD after the fake. Normal coachspeak would be to spread out the blame and say mistakes happen and we as a team need to be better. But dabo let it rip.
Even worse considering the interviewer didn't ask about the fake punt, dabo brought it up himself
I think a lot of people lost some respect. I get the pressure of the CFP, but he looked like he completely lost his cool. Absolutely make sure he knows just how bad he F-ed up, but to keep going back in for more made him look out of control. And I completely agree with you on the halftime interview. I guess he really felt like he needed to make sure everyone knew he didn't call for the fake.
BTW, who saw that and immediately thought of our own fake punt debacle?
I thought of when AJ Hughes ran for the first down after a bad snap against Marshall a couple years back.
I was thinking more Danny Coale in the Sugar Bowl...
http://detroit.sbnation.com/michigan-wolverines/2012/1/3/2680999/danny-coale-fake-punt-sugar-bowl-update-michigan-virginia-tech
Honestly, I almost thought about that but tried to erase that from my memory bank a while ago, if you know where I'm coming from.
Yeah, I don't remember any of that, and I'm pretty sure it didn't happen.
I bet that punter will never do that again, though. Ever. Lesson learned.
And, for all we know, that punter is just like Cody Journell and he needed to be publicly humiliated to the nth degree to get the point across. Maybe Dabo did exactly what he needed to do to send the message to his punter. We don't really know. (I doubt that though; I still think bringing it up during the interview was unnecessary)
I actually know teasdall and his family. Our parents are good friends. He's actually a good kid (not a Journell type) and held it together after getting an ass chewing on national tv quite well. I mean the kid made a mistake, it was dumb as hell and if I was a Clemson fan I would've been mad at him too. But I felt Dabo went way overboard. It actually shocked me no Clemson players went over to him and said "shake it off" like you see other teams do after a kid makes a mistake. But maybe thats part of the culture Dabo has instilled at Clemson.
Herbstreit mentioned that "a player or an assistant had better go over there and tell him 'It's done; shake it off.'"
Holy crap! Something Herbstreit said that I actually agree with for ONCE!
I have zero issue with him commenting on the punter unprovoked - I figured it was a given the interviewer was going to ask about it anyway, so Dabo just beat her to the punch.
I think part of this was Dabo making sure everyone knew he had nothing to do with the terrible decision.
At first, I had a problem with it...but you never know whats going on behind scenes, that kid could be a Cody Journel type that has a hard time listening to coaches...
If that's the case and the kids got a problem and was trying to make a play to show off, then I have no problem with Dabo throwing him under the bus..
but if its just a normal kid that freaked out didnt think he could get the punt off and tried to make the best of it, its really hard to tell from the play what the kid was thinking? I mean watching it, I dont know, I thought it was designed the way he was delaying,
It's pretty clear that he malfunctioned, and incurred the wrath of Dabo Swinney (pronounced Dab 'o Sweenie)
Searching him out after UNcheat scored a TD was excessive, tossing him under the bus on national TV classless.
Yeah I think he's trying to make it obvious to the viewing public that the punter made that decision and not him. But if you give the punter that option then you in effect have made that decision as well. To me it's asinine to tell the punter hey you can run if you see an opening because I'm not really sure how the punter is supposed to judge that and he's a punter not a skilled athlete like a RB or WR
We don't know whether or not the punter had the option.
When would a punter run if they don't have the option. In the biggest game of the season. On fourth and long.
Ask Danny Coale.
Danny Coale had that option. But it wasn't fourth and 13. And Coale was a WR we had punting not a true punter.
http://m.richmond.com/archive/article_ffb97d04-5cb6-535c-a1a7-1c4911c74e...
Hate to be that guy, but....
"Losing" vs. "Loosing".
Then don't. J/K
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It could be argued that Dabo was, indeed, loosing his mind on this kid. You know, as opposed to keeping it reined in.
I spoke on this during the game. I don't mind the sideline berating. Was it excessive? I don't know. Who could honestly say. From my very limited perspective it seemed to work via that delayed punt in the second half to eat up more time off the clock. The punter appeared to have learned his lesson AND (what's more) Dabo appeared to have verbally rewarded him for his correct and savvy execution. To me, a HC berating a screw up on the sideline is part of the HC thing (unless it gets to forbidden subjects: race, religion, sex, family and whatnot).
The under bus throwing with the interview going into HT was, in fact, a douche*tard move. I did not view that as really accomplishing or correcting anything. In my estimation, Dabo should've made up for it by saying something positive about his punter's 2nd half performance upon the conclusion of the game during the on field interview. But again, that's just me.
This times a billion and more. One of the most important lessons I ever learned from a coach was in a scenario where I deserved a good yellin'. I definitely learned my lesson. The next time that situation arose, I did the right thing, and the coach praised the bejeezus out of me.
I learned that day a lesson that I've never, ever forgotten: If you're in a leadership position and you have to smack someone down, then be damn sure that you build them back up again. You can't run around being punitive to people all the time. Although sometimes it is necessary, you always have to be able to show them support when they follow your lead after you pummel them.
Its his team. He is the Head Coach. If that's how he wants to handle I have no problem with it. Fact of the matter is it did cost them a TD. It was a bone headed decision that could have cost them the game. If he wants to chew him out excessively then that's his prerogative. Just as the punter can hit the highway if he doesn't like it. Welcome to America.
Moreover, Welcome to Div. 1A P5 Conference Football.
Its not like the punter was stripped and they returned it. The punter cost them field position, the defense cost them the TD.
Someone should tell that to Bud.
"Hey Bud, it's YOUR fault the other team scored, not the fact that we couldn't move past our 20 yard line 4 drives in a row and gave them excellent field position...nah, son. That's on YOU"
"Someone" would have to have a death wish.
I have no problem with they way he handled it. Everything is on the line, #1, Playoffs, ACC title, etc.
More importantly, does the punter get his own free pizza still from Dabo???
Don't tell me how to raise my kids or coach my players. Unless it gets physical or can hear me verbally abuse them in person then you have no idea what is going on so don't get involved.
PS: I just take this no one knows whats being said and what the entire story is here without being right there. Man coach's an ACC team who's fanbase thinks they are in the SEC... I'm sure the stress was high at the moment. People need something to talk about since the CFP was clear cut this year.
If you have the cameras pointed at the sidelines long enough you are going to catch something.
Spot freaking on. The notion that he cant chew out one of his players because it is on national TV is insane.
I don't think the chewing out was the issue. I thought continually going back to him and chewing him out more was over the top.
When I chew you out, its over and done with for that offense. Dabo acted like
my wifesomeone I know. (just kidding honey!)But
my wifesomeone I know would say, "I wouldn't have to say it over and over again if I knew you were listening in the first place, do you think I like sounding like broken record!"That "someone" can be right a lot of the times.
True, but said "someones" can tend to ovaryact at times as well. I keed in jest of course.
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Exactly my point. I have no problem with the ass chewing initially (unless of course he did have the option to take off if he saw an opportunity, which I've seen some things alluding to that potentially being the case). Absolutely agree that sometimes it's warranted. It was the going back for more that I personally saw as excessive.
I disagree with you about it being over the top, but I still gotta give you a leg for that statement as in made me ROFLMAO! And for the record, I'm calling BS on the 'j/k honey'.
"ovaryact" was pretty good too. Had to leg that.
Just goes to show you how bitchy our society has gotten. Everyone is worried about people's feelings getting hurt. That type of ass chewing is character building and I guarantee that he learned more than if Dabo had come over and hugged him and talked about feelings.
Agreed. Having been chewed out many, many times in my sporting career, I can say that without a doubt it isn't the worst thing ever. You take it and you move on having learned your lesson. It's no big deal.
Also you learn really quick as a coach who you can chew out and they step up or fold and the kids that need a different approach to get them to succeed.
Each kid is different, some need there ass's given to them in a hat while others need a pat on the back. I was a pat on the back player, my brother was chew him out right in his face player. Good coaches know what works
I haven't seen a single person say he shouldn't have been chewed out when he came off the field. But the search him out on the sidelines later to chew him and and THEN to throw him under a bus on national TV, I'm sorry that kid plays a game where you get paid millions.
The chewing out on the sidelines is not a big deal. The presence of cameras is irrelevant, Dabo was making that a coaching moment. We all remember CFB slapping a guy in the helmet when we were having our 03 season ruined in Morgantown. I do have some issue when guys like Muschamp lose their shit on the sidelines because it's clear they are just cursing and not teaching, but that didn't seem to be the case here.
But the comment during the interview rubbed me the wrong way. As mentioned right above, this kid isn't a professional football player. No matter how much we now treat them as such, he isn't. Even in the corporate world, it is usually bad form for a boss to embarrass a subordinate so publicly. Reflects way worse on Dabo than the kid.
Really agree with the sentiment that the halftime mention was over the line. No reason to do it, it was piling on plain and simple. His point was made to the player on national TV, twice even. To then make his point to the audience was redundant and mean, in my opinion. One thing to coach and teach, another altogether to shame a kid.
Not sure coach knew the chewing out was shown, pointed out, and discussed on TV when he answered the interview question. Most of the guys who watched with me were in the "that's football" camp, while the girls were in the "I would never send my kid to play for him" camp by the second chewing out. (One of them was Facebook friends with the kids mom)
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I'm on board with you. I mean, yeah...he got his ass chewed, but he'll bounce back and I don't think it was anything excessive. To be quite fair, I bet Dabo points out when a player does well in a game as well.
I'm a guy, and I thought it was excessive.
Maybe the first 30 seconds were OK, but after that, what's the point? It's just venting anger.
I think it's OK to clarify to the media that it wasn't the plan or that there was clearly a miscommunication, but nothing else was necessary.
Does anyone have a link to the halftime interview where he commented on it? I don't remember seeing it.
EDIT: Just found it. I don't see the big deal. She asked how he can keep the momentum up and he answered. I don't see how him saying the punter put the team in a bad spot changed anything. You guys say that like it was a secret that he made a mistake or something. Dabo certainly isn't my favorite but any coach would've said that.
Well here is Fuente talking to a running back after a fumble. I prefer Fuente's demeanor and approach.
EDIT: Fumble occurs at the 23:23 mark if the embed code didn't work for anyone else.
What point does it happen? It started playing at beginning of video for me.
I got extremely lucky and the first area I clicked took me right to the fumble. It's around the 24 minute mark, or just before it.
So in conclusion...chewing out is fine if that's the type of mentality it takes to get through to you / a particular player; others may just need a talking-to. But to go over the top and continually chew out a player is a no-no.
No, I think in conclusion it's "don't screw up...or else."
The conclusion is Dabo got his team to the playoffs and I doubt anyone in Clemson gives a flip about what we think about this.
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One for you as well sir...
Meh, ya never know.
The conclusion I would draw is: If you are a punter not named AJ Hughes, you don't run for it on 4th and forever.
But really, even if you are a punter named AJ Hughes, you probably just go ahead and punt anyway. Field position is always important.
Unless you really want to twist the dagger, in which case, best be a punter named AJ Hughes.
So basically, in the end, just be a punter named AJ Hughes.
We are gonna miss that guy.
I believe my commentary during that run against Marshall was something along the lines of "oh shit oh shit oh shit YESSSSSSS."
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I didn't see the big deal, but I missed the interview. There was a lot on the line, and that was a really bad play, so I see why Dabo was pissed. And it doesn't hurt to reiterate after they score, either. The punter played much better after, so I guess it worked
The fumble and the punt are totally different scenarios. If the kid had no clear directive to pull it down and run then it's all on him. The fumble while it partially may be the RBs fault for not securing the ball is also attributable to a good hit that in some cases may not be avoidable. Dabo chewed the kid out and then chewed him again after the score which to me serves as a good reminder that even though you're the punter you still have an important role to play and while you may not be consistently on the field for offense or defense you're role can cost us a championship. And be damned if I'd want to miss the CFP because of a bad decision by my punter.
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