Per ESPN, former 5* QB recruit Kyle Allen is set to transfer. I know Fuente has Lawson to work with but 5* QBs with two years of SEC experience don't hit the market often. Allen wasn't playing poorly when he got benched in favor of Kyler Murray either. He just fell victim to insane expectations and the fact that A&M signed elite prospects in consecutive years.
What do you guys think? Should Fuente go for this kid despite the fact we have Lawson?
Article on transfer: http://on.si.com/1Ua6eYU
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http://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/players/kyle-allen-1.html
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After what he did with Dalton and now Lynch I am happy to put down my armchair clipboard and watch Fuente develop whatever damn QB he deems is good for him.
Normally, I would say yes though
However it is made to happen, I think that we need to have a backup QB that can come in and move the team in case #1 goes down - we didn't have that this year. Could be like the Manning/Osweiler scenario that the Broncs had this year? I don't know but it was hard to get out of first gear this year when Motley had to come in.
FTFY
I disagree. I thought the Motley offense was fairly productive with the Pitt game being the only real exception. Correct me if I'm wrong, but Motley started against Furman (42 points scored), Purdue(51), ECU(28), Pitt(13), and NC State(28). He started Miami but did not finish. I really don't think scoring 4 TD's per game equates to "hard to get out of first gear" but that's just me.
We have had that in the past with Tyrod and Glennon. Remember, Tyrod went down and Glennon came in a won the ACC championship game for one year (I forget which.)
Glennon was the 2007 ACCCG MVP. Tyrod wasn't injured in that game- they rotated a bit throughout, but the passing game with Glennon was just more effective.
Well, I mean, Tyrod Taylor was technically listed as Sean Glennon's backup at one point.
Transfers from the state of Texas have done all right by us, I would not mind another
I'm cool with this.
Ab. So. Lute. Ly!!
Interesting...would he have to sit out a year at his new school?
Yes, he hasn't graduated so he has to sit out for a year.
Trevor Knight from Oklahoma is also transferring. He's graduating and will be eligible in 2016.
It seems to me that Lawson, too, is becoming the "victim" of wild expectations. I haven't heard or seen anything, that supports the idea that he will lead us to the promised land.
The fact that he didn't see the field after Brewer went down is an indication that he may well not be all that is expected. Bringing in quality competition, may light a fire, or may bring on the pouts.
To me, picking up a 5 star QB is a no brainer under any situation, though.
Agree with your first and last point - Lawson has been on campus for 5 months now and he was expected to surpass someone whose been on campus, in the "system" and weight room 3 years longer than he has.
I think everybody's expectations of what a Freshman can do at QB (and a lot of other positions) needs to be tempered.
You can blame Tyrod and Vick for that.
It's Vick first, THEN Tyrod.
The fact that he didn't see the field after Brewer went down is an indication that he was a true freshman
I just see a lot of handwringing that the guy will only be here a few years - then he is off to the pros. Guys that are truly like that...you can get a sense of it even when he is a true freshman. Lawson may make it, but he hasn't shown, that's all I'm saying.
Best to keep the talent coming in, IMO.
Lefty discussed Lawson in the press conference yesterday. He said he has the ability and can be really a great player but he needs to become a "leader" and that is the main reason he did not see the field this year. He said he need to take the next step and become a leader in his classwork, and on the field. I am hoping that he is not buying into his own hype and is feeling entitled. I hope he starts taking care of business off the field and really studies the game.
I was looking at possible destinations for Kyle Allen, but I came across an article that mentioned a list of Transfering QBs and it has something about a QB transfer Jerod Evans from Trinity Valley C.C taking an official visit to Tech?
Has anyone else heard this?
247 QB transfering Article
Yep, he and his brother - a high school QB - will be visiting Tech together this weekend.
And both of their film is really good, imo.
I saw an article from October 7 that said that UAB and Memphis were the older Evans' only two FBS offers. So Fuente has been involved for a while.
The Texas A&M article said the younger Evans was expected to walk-on wherever his brother went.
Interesting to see the #1 dual threat QB committed to Alabama. If there is ever a pro-style, stay in the pocket and pass team it's Alabama. Maybe that's what that guy wants but I think there is always too much talent on the offense there to "take off" with the ball. Alabama doesn't seem like a school where they want you to make up things on the fly with your feet too much.
Name the last Alabama QB that had a career in the pros. Was your answer Joe Namath? Alabama is a QB dead end, Jameous (sp?) Winston saw it, that dual threat from Virginia should have seen it, this dual threat will see it when he is sitting behind the next statue pocket passer to start there.
Ken Stabler was after Namath, but your point is taken.
Last Alabama QB to start and win an NFL game was Jeff Rutledge in 1988
Didn't Brody Croyle win a game or two as starter for whomever he went to?
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Maybe I wanted to point out how miserable he did... more likely though I am too lazy to look on my own.
The SEC as a whole is becoming an NFL QB graveyard. They don't produce NFL QB's.
Cam Newton is kind of good. Eli Manning 2x Super Bowl Champ, Jay Cutley (attractive wife), Matthew Stafford, Blaine Gabbert, Ryan Tannehill
The last two are iffy but I don't see it as an SEC problem
Edit: Ok so Gabbert and Tannehill were in another conference. That's what I get for a quick google check
I'll grant you Cam of course, Eli, Stafford are only two and they both were drafted in what mid 2000's. Tannehill and Gabbert both played mostly in Big 12.
It's like sex, still counts no matter how long you're in!
I like your positive outlook
Tannehill and Gabbert were at A&M and Mizzu while they were still in the Big XII.
That's probably a bit of an overstatement. There are currently five starting NFL QBs from the SEC (Newton, Stafford, Cutler, Eli Manning, Manziel,) and several others carrying the clipboard or injured.
When did Newton, Cutler, Manning and Stafford all get drafted? Newton is only one in recent SEC days to actually be having an impact at the next level. The SEC in the last 10 years has not produced QB's on par with their rankings as the "best conference"
Can blame Stafford? I mean he plays for a terrible Franchise and still puts up great numbers. I mean, the best WR in our generation, Calvin Johnson, is just wasting away in that city.
Manning has 2 Super bowls and Cutler is actually having a very productive year!
So 4 QB's from th SEC drafted since 2005 are making an impact in the NFL. The ACC has at least 4 drafted that are doing well just since 2009.
Matt Ryan (terrible year)
T-Mobile (average but consistant)
Matt Schaub (almost peed laughing at this one)
Matt Hasselbeck (older than my dad)
Philip Rivers (Man I always forget about him)
Jameis Winston (Rookie)
Russel Wilson (dude is good)
Comparatively, there may be more bodies playing but talent wise, it may be pretty even with the SEC.
don't forget teddy bridgewater
Yea cause that definitely makes a difference and I think he was still in the big east for a few of his years.
Also Christian Pon...oh wait. Um EJ Manu...dammit, nope. Um Logan Thom...shit. Jacory Har...hahahaha
Tahj Boy... lol
The best thing Christian Ponder did in the NFL was marry up in Sam Steele Ponder. Oof, that lucky dog.
They might be the perfect American family. Scout is unbelievably cute.
I have a(nother?) friend with a dog named Scout
edit: see below
My dog's name is Scout...
via GIPHY
My dog's name is Scout as well! No lie. This is getting weird haha.
Well damn, let's get them all together and start a Scout team!!
Ha older than my dad hahah.
Perception would have me think, before looking at any roster, the Pac-12 would have the most starting/on NFL roster QBs? Just on perception of the conference, I would put a wager on that, I dont know if its true, but I would take that bet.
Perception of SEC QB, is probably the opposite, I would probably take the bet if someone came up, and said $100 SEC has the fewest QBs on NFL rosters than any other P5 conference, I would probably take that bet?
Again, thats just based on perceptions, I would imagine most people would take those bets, to some degree
Your Tyrod assessment is just wrong. He isn't a great traditional QB yet and might never be but he is far from "average" with any definition. He is 4th in the NFL in QBR and quarterback rating. He has a huge TD-turnover ratio. He is winning games with his arm and making plays with his feet. He has top 5 deep throw accuracy (statistically, not just my opinion) and as they trust him more and base the offense more around him he will get more opportunities to make plays with his arm. "Average but consistent" invokes ideas of middle of the road QB's who you know exactly what they give you each week, game managers, not playmakers, and Tyrod is far, far from that.
While I'll agree that Tyrod is having a pretty good season, I wouldn't use that crappy QBR system to prove anything.
ok average might have been an understatement but it's his first year and I was attempting to make a point about the SEC vs ACC QB's in the NFL.
And technically Russel Wilson is labeled and a QB from Wisconsin so should he count as an ACC QB
Matt Hasselbeck would technically be Big East, since that was well before BC joined the ACC.
Shit, he's so old it was just call the East Conference. It wasn't even that big yet.
I think we can all agree that NFL production from SEC quarterbacks has not equaled the hype they received in college, but that's a far cry from being a QB "graveyard". 5 starters in a 32-team league (would be 6 if Peyton Manning was healthy) is nothing to sneeze at. They have several other alums serving as NFL backups as well. While less noteworthy, being a third stringer in the NFL still puts a guy among the top 96 in the world at his job.
Stafford was '09, Cam was in Tyrod's draft class, Cutler and Manning were a little bit longer ago, '06 for Cutler and Eli was '04
Uhhh Peyton Manning....
Yea a QB who played in the 97 season??
Or as he is better known as Noodle Arm!
Even a third string QB in the NFL is among the top 96 in the world at his chosen profession, you know.
Someone with a lot more time and resources than me should count the number of 4/5 * QB's who have gone to SEC teams since 2007 compared to the number that start a game in he NFL vs say the ACC and BIG Ten.
Yeah, someone should totally do that, the hours it would take to amass that data, is well worth the 5 second glance I peak at it to go 'hmm interesting'...
haha, but seriously, it would be worth it for someone to do that ha.
I'm a big fan of AJ McCarron, he was actually winning games for Alabama as opposed to just sitting back and letting the defense and the running game do all the work. He is currently the backup behind Dalton in Cincy so who knows if he could turn out to be a good NFL QB or not, I definitely watched him make a lot of NFL throws in his time at Bama.
I believe Evans is the #1 rated JUCO QB as well. Not sure by whom, but I read that somewhere.
So two years means he's a junior this year and needs to sit out. He then hopes that we don't have a QB for this year and he plays for his senior year and if he doesn't light it up looks to stay for a 5th year? I guess it would be nice but I'm not sure it's worth it. I trust in Fuente to get the QBs he wants and light a fire under Lawson (if that's needed, I don't know. For some reason I get the impression that Lawson came here expecting to win the starting job, but I could be completely wrong and that is based in nothing more than comments on this site). If Fuente thinks he's worth going after then so be it. If not I'm not going to complain about it.
It is my understanding that transfers from JUCO or Community Colleges don't need to sit out the year. They are eligible immediately.
Texas A&M isn't JUCO or CC.
That's funny
Tell that to Texas
careful.... Texas:UVA::aTm:VT
you mean LOLUVa:VT::Texas:aTm?
I think it works both ways
correct. It works either way.
well, it works one way and it doesn't not work the other way. ;-P
Ok, I know not entirely what the previous post was saying, but I couldn't resist.
Texas might dispute that claim.
Edit: Didn't refresh before posting. Again.
I have no idea what I was reading.
I must have had a different article pop up when I clicked on it. LOL.
Allen hasn't graduated so he'd have to sit out a year. By then, Lawson should be pretty firmly entrenched.
I think Trevor Knight from Oklahoma could be someone to watch. He's also announced that he will transfer, and has been granted his full release from OU (http://espn.go.com/college-football/story/_/id/14340718/trevor-knight-tr...). Having graduated already, he'd be eligible to play in 2016. Fuente's Oklahoma connections could make this very interesting.
Yeah, I question that statement.
How about if I rephrase it this way? If all goes according to plan, Lawson should be entrenched by 2017. The QB situation in 2016 is more uncertain, with the speculation that Lawson is going to be the starter, and Motley eligible to transfer if he's not happy with that.
I know it's college and I should be used to this by now, but I really like the idea of having a QB for more than a couple years. We all thought Brewer would just drop right in and do great from the get go, but he took most of a season to really settle in, then was out for the first half of this season. So it's not like a good QB transfers and plays great immediately all the time ( I know, I know, Russell Wilson at Whiskey is the big counterpoint here). Then you've only got him for a year or two, depending on his eligibility.
With the QBs on the roster now, I think it's better if we just work on developing in house talent. Even if Lawson or Jackson only starts for a couple years, with good coaching, he's at least been in the system a few years before he has to carry the team.
Slim chance we get Allen. He stated that he wants to transfer to a school with a senior QB. Allen sits a year and then takes over after the current QB graduates.
Timing is everything.
If Joshua Jackson still makes his way to Blacksburg I see the QB position being too crowded to entice a player like Allen to come here. I also think Jackson carries a similar skill set so I think we already have our Kyle Allen coming in.
From what I've heard, Kyle Allen is giving Oklahoma a long look. He'll sit next year behind Baker (assuming he stays and he likely will) and then it will be all his. Kyle Allen is probably going to (at least get a chance to) play on Sundays and someone is really going to luck out wherever he goes. He also didn't get straight up benched, he attempted to play through an injury that drastically affected him and they eventually pulled the plug on him, tough kid. Him leaving also makes sense in that A&M will have three 5 star QB's on the same team next year if he stays. He would probably win the job, but with two dual threat 5* QB's behind you the irrational screams from fans get very loud after a loss or two. I think this is a homerun for whoever gets him.
That said, someone could also really luck out with Trevor Knight, he flashed a lot of potential in that big win over Alabama then he had an injury-filled 2014 where he was middling for a very disappointing OU team. Granted, he did suffer a pretty scary, almost very serious neck injury and I don't think he's been the same since then. He's definitely much more of a wildcard than Allen, but also potentially a good pickup for a team in need of a one year guy.
A&M fans are pretty mad right now. If Murray doesn't live up to expectation, Sumlin's seat may keep getting warmer.
I have a close friend who is a big A&M fan and I can cosign that statement. They are very upset with the utilization of talent and the coordinators. Murray, unlike Allen, probably doesn't have much of a future after college at QB because he is quite small, but he could be absolutely deadly in college. He is lightning quick and fast and he can zip the ball, I'm pretty sure the kid never lost a game at Allen HS and started for 3-4 years. If they fail to build an offense around him, they really do need a new coordinator. That said, if he doesn't perform they can just go to the next 5* up, Tate Martell.