
For most of its existence, success around Virginia Tech basketball has been synonymous with second-rate. In the last 40 years the program has been to seven NCAA Tournaments, none of which have garnered a modern Sweet 16 appearance. The Hokies won the NIT in 1995, in what is probably the biggest achievement in team history, and haven't won their way to Madison Square Garden since.
Tech's futility in the postseason hangs over Cassell Coliseum everywhere but the rafters. As a fan, it makes every big game seem more important because there's a chance it'll be the high point of the season. Remember rushing the floor after a win over top ranked Duke in 2011? You know, the win which was supposed to lock up a trip to the dance? Things would never get better than they were at that moment.
What about later on, in James Johnson's first year, when a rag-tag group of Hokies beat future NBA lottery pick Marcus Smart and Oklahoma State? People packed the house against the ranked Cowboys, and afterwards left the building with a content sense of hope. Tech would go on to lose 19 of their next 25.
This both has nothing and everything to do with Buzz Williams and the current iteration of basketball in Blacksburg. It all happened before Williams got there, so in theory he can write his own story, separate from the decades of tournament apprehension. And in less than 24 months, he seems to be doing just that.
In fact when he took the job, Buzz distanced he and his staff as far away from the past as possible —he didn't even watch tape of his players for fear of "pre-judging" them. It was an entirely new slate, detached from the squalor prior to his arrival.
And for the most part, it's been enough. Things were so bad, the promise of improvement initially satiated the browbeaten fanbase. In fact, it was enough until two weeks ago, when the prospect of finishing above .500 turned into reality.
The idea of games in late March is intoxicating, especially for die-hards who haven't seen much (if any) of the postseason. And in places like Blacksburg, the allure can often exponentially accelerate expectations.
It didn't matter Seth Greenberg's Duke slayers had a questionable resume, the win meant dancing was a definite. And so what if JJ's unit was woefully under-skilled, a 6-0 start in November carried spring time conversations. And when each hit the end of the line, discontent grew at what were predictable outcomes.
While it's fun to watch this year's team's progression on a given night, fans immediately turned their focus to the NIT once it came into play. This advancement in projection is problematic, however. Williams' squad is not much different than the one playing at the beginning of 2016, but since tournament opportunities are now on the table will it feel like a disappointment if they don't get there?
Falling short is not an improbable outcome. Tech is hanging onto bracket-filled dreams by a hair, and their path to reach them is complex. And though it's a great goal to have, two huge problems are stacked between Tech and a date in the NIT, both of which will be tricky to avoid.
Problem 1: Tech's Path To Get There
Buzzketball's resurrection has been an incredible feat to watch, especially after they seemed dead in the water in mid-January. Between wins on the road over teams they're supposed to beat and pulling off back-to-back home victories they've placed themselves firmly in the conversation.
Naturally, their wins put them in the position they are now. But unfortunately, they also gave Tech more competition in a crowded club of second-tier programs. They knocked once surging Clemson off Joe Lunardi's bubble, and in beating Florida State they sunk any remaining chance the Seminoles had to sneak in.
So by succeeding, the Hokies have also enlarged the pool of direct competitors for the selection committee to choose after the NCAA's done. And while it seems obvious to conclude — "Tech beat both of those teams, they should be in before either of them" — you're severely underestimating college athletics' ability to muck up an issue.
As of this writing, most projections have Williams and company barely making it into the NIT (do you know how sad your life is when you Google 'NIT Bracketology' every hour for updated projections?). But also consider Clemson, Florida State and the surprisingly RPI-inflated Georgia Tech Yellow Jackets all seem solidly in, meaning if someone from the ACC were to get cut, the Hokies would fall out.
To make matters even more complicated, the two conference teams with work left to do in order to make the Big Dance are Syracuse and Pittsburgh. Tech hosts the Panthers on Wednesday, and their probable matchup in the first game of the ACC Tournament? Jim Boeheim and the Orange.
Though there's a good chance each foe will find themselves on the inside, there's a nightmare scenario in play (especially against Syracuse). A loss to Virginia Tech could knock 'Cuse out, which would then make them another competitor looking for a spot elsewhere. Since Syracuse has both a better record and RPI, they'd be in over the Hokies, meaning Tech could hypothetically contribute to their own undoing.
It's messy, especially for a group in the back end of the field. And since Tech's hanging on by a thread, another body in the pool may cause a big enough splash to dash the Hokies' chances.
Problem 2: Field Selection
So why can't every NIT qualifier from the ACC get in? You'd think they'd like to have as many big name programs as possible, right?
Well as much as ESPN would like it, there are rules in place to often override the feeling of TV executives. Everyone who wins their regular season conference title, but not the tournament, is in automatically. For instance, William and Mary finished first in the CAA in 2015, but lost to Northeastern in the CAA tournament final. As a result, they got bumped from NCAA to NIT.
In contrast, FSU's 2014-15 campaign ended 17-16, good for a ninth place finish and a loss to No. 3 Virginia in the ACC quarterfinals. In many cases, a resume like FSU's is rewarded with a potential path to New York. However, last year 12 small conference champs all fell short of the final trophy and were bumped to a NIT auto-bid. The 'Noles lost their spot.
The last five years have seen an average of 12 small schools cash in their bid, the number always falling between 10 and 14. If you're Virginia Tech, the difference between 10 programs auto-qualifying and 13 or 14 probably determines your bid. And in a season as insane as this has been, I wouldn't count on conference tournaments staying status quo.
So what do they do?
If Williams can scrounge up two wins out of Tech's next three games, they'd be a near lock. But the end of the schedule isn't as soft as the last week, as Tech hosts aforementioned Pitt, and Miami. Considering the type of ball Angel Rodriguez and Sheldon McClellan are playing in South Beach, beating the Hurricanes is a tough sell, so the contest against the Panthers becomes even more important.
Jamie Dixon's guys slammed the Hokies by 19 when they traveled to Pittsburgh more than a month ago. Add to the fact they're coming off an impressive beat down of Duke on Sunday, and the odds look long for Tech.
However it's not an impossible task. Buzz's bunch turned it over 20 times the first meeting, and seemed ill-prepared when Pitt role player Sheldon Jeter drained every mid-range jumper he could see. The Panthers aren't a great matchup, they thrive on the offensive glass and quick ball movement, both of which killed the Hokies in January, but some things trend in the home team's favor.
Zach LeDay is a different player in Cassell (averaging 17 points and 6 rebounds against ACC opponents), and Justin Robinson was a near non-entity before his blossomed over the last five games. If Robinson, Seth Allen and Justin Bibbs can attack from the perimeter they can keep it close.
Also not to be overlooked, Pitt's win over the Blue Devils could potentially give this let-down game potential. They wouldn't be the first squad to follow up an impressive victory with a head scratching defeat, and it's not like the Panthers have been a beacon of consistency.
In order to solidify their standing moving forward, the Hokies must first start with a good outing Wednesday night. They can't worry about how a result impacts their postseason odds, or how many W's gets them in, they just need to play. And Buzz will surely have them ready to fight like underdogs when they hit the court, and that mentality may be just what his Hokies need to keep playing in March.

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Nice article Brian, but I say we are setting our sights too low. The way I see it, we win both games left in regular season and a victory in the ACC tournamnt (which I will be attending) and we are in the Big Dance. We are only a game behind Clemson and Syracuse, one team we beat and the other we should have beaten. So let's do it and put the pressure on the decision makers. Am I a little optomistic, of course. But so what. When I was in school we went to the Big Dance and even won a game before losing to Larry Bird and Ind St. So we can do it even if it was a couple of generations ago. GO HOKIES!
I'm a little rusty on my auto-qualifier rules, but when we win the ACC tourney, don't they have to let us into the big dance?
Yes, the tournament winner is an auto qualifier. So, it's that easy. Win and you're in.
This article is senseless, then. We're not going to qualify for the NIT when we win the ACC.
I disagree wholeheartedly with this statement. As much as I'd love to say that VT deserves an NCAA's bid, that's not likely at all due to some of our bad losses in out of conference play, and the fact that there are just better teams out there. While I like the optimism, we'd need an ACC tourney win to go to the NCAA tourney
Agree with you. If we win the ACC Tourney, then here we come. However, I don't want to squeak in the tourney because we deserve it.
How many conversations have we had about deserving to be somewhere?
I'd rather go into the NIT and potentially win that this year, than go into the Big Game, and lose in the first round. What I get excited about is the future. If we are doing this with the young group we have, they will bring experience to the next couple of years. Makes going to the NIT even more valuable, as they will see what is necessary to drive through and win that tournament.
No matter the ending, we have a bright future for this program as long as Buzz sticks around.
So what you are saying is that if we get to the ACC championship game and lose, we don't deserve to go to the Big Dance. I completely disagree with that statement. If that happens we deserve to go and that is not backing into it. But it's probably not going to happen.
I think I had some realistic expectations in there. If we make it to the ACC Championship, then there is a different conversation, especially when looking at who would have to go through to get there. I'm just not sure about it though. If they were all home games, I'd say we have more of a shot. But looking at our neutral and away games, it would be very tough.
Have you seen our RPI?
Just to show how close it is, those two sites I linked to have Tech in the NIT, but another one updated later has them out. Tonight's a huge game.
What about the less glamorous post season tournaments? We should surely make the
CBTCBI and what is this I am hearing about a Las Vegas 16? The way I see it, any post season means a few more allowed practices and games for this inexperienced squad.The Vegas tourney doesn't even start for two weeks after Selection Sunday, so that would be two more weeks of practice. That may be a nice landing spot for this team.
The Vegas tourney is the most likely landing spot for Buzz's Boys.
And that's fine. I wasn't expecting a postseason this year.
The problem with the Vegas16 is that no one really has an idea on the types of teams they will be inviting. It is a little concerning that they were not able to secure a TV deal and the first 2 rounds are only available online.
If it is VT + 14 or so other mid-majors then that may not be worth it.
Every game that this team can get out there and play against college competition will be worth it, even if its just to get the practices allowed for their continued season to continue to gel. There is nothing better than the mental repetition of game play to allow Buzz to teach this team critical lessons. Giving him two or three more weeks of that would be a huge boost to how this team comes back in the summer ready to work.
I could definitely see us in the CBI if we're a first team out of the NIT, and this year it's going to be broadcast on ESPNU. So, at least the coverage would be good.
At least it can't be worse than that one time we were on ESPN2... at least on YouTube the rain drops on the lens are a little less noticeable.
This was so frustrating, between the QB runs for 15+ yards and the primary camera lens that was quickly becoming the next great lake.
I can remember shaking my first in the air in frustration, " WHY WONT THEY RUN A QB SPY AND WIPE OFF THAT FUCKING CAMERA!!!"
Wow it's amazing what we can do with computers these days, because we all know this game didn't actually happen...
I thought they stopped making those NCAA games. Graphics are incredible though.
VT vs ECU has been an annual video game series for a while now. They run a demo of it during an off-week every season.
I heard that it's so popular they have already extended the series indefinitely. We're not likely to see it end in our lifetime
Cam getting a long pass to the 5 yard line. That was a theme last year.
I think he set a VT record for almost touchdowns
I am feeling good about these next two home games. @Pitt was a turnover nightmare, they really didn't ruin us on the glass as you might expect. Hokies are slight underdogs on the home pine, I like their chances.
As for the Miami game Saturday, I am hoping the house is still packed. Friday is the start of spring break for students, no? @Miami, we didnt play two full halfs of basketball. Tech and the U were even at the half, a poor start to the second half and road-game woes let that one get too far out of reach.
As bad as the month of Feb was for Williams and Co. in terms of road games, finishing up the season with two home games in a nice treat. Just have to make the most of it now.
Deep NIT run would definitely benefit this team near term more than 1 and done in NCAA. However, what if that NCAA bid helps you land that Blue Chip Prospect? NIT is probably more likely than NCAA, but trying to keep it positive. Until we lose I think we are going to WIN! All we need to do is eliminate the sloppy mistakes.
Lets Go Hokies!
Blue Chip prospects in college basketball are usually one and dones, and they don't really help a program that much. While every once in a while it helps to have one guy like that to help you make a run and enhance your profile, I don't believe it's Buzz's goal, he's even said he doesn't think he'll ever get those guys to Blacksburg. I think if there's a Virginia guy who fits then we have a chance. But Championship teams outside of Duke and Kentucky the past few years are made up mostly of upperclassmen. And if you look at some of the seniors around the country some of them were ranked right around where we're getting our recruits now and some are ranked far below (Buddy Heild, Frank Mason from Virginia). We're a likely tourney team, or at least bubble team, next year. Buzz will get, and already has gotten, the right guys in. Recruiting is good, and it will only be hurt if we underperform, which I doubt Buzz is even capable of doing.
I agree though, that playing more than one game in an invitational tournament would be more beneficial to this team. Doesn't matter which one, and we'll have postseason play, NIT or not.
Unless Buzz weeds more players out post season, than we already have filled our scholarship slot for this year. Henry being replaced by Khadim Sy. We do still have five open offers out there for this year but I believe at least three of those players have committed elsewhere or have removed us from consideration. Guess we will see how things shake out as this season closes out.
2017, Buzz has 45 offers out but I dont see potentially being a one and done in the NCAA benefiting us more than an NIT Championship run might.
Just the fact that we are having this conversation shows how far VT has come. That alone is awesome, but let's do the:
via GIPHY
Leg for my favorite hype gif!
1973 NIT Championship > 1995 NIT Championship
I know I know nobody cares about what happened 40+ years ago but the NIT in 73 was a bit more prestigious than the one in 95.
LOL... longer comment on my part = faster post on yours.
^^^This x 100 times. But Buzz and the Gang will soon enough make us old timers forget about that. Go Hokies!
So....it's mathematically proven VT will win the NIT 2017! Yay?!?
Interesting article. I will be curious to see how this all plays out in the next two weeks to see where the Hokies do land. It's nice to see that after only two seasons, Buzz has the Hokies looking at playing beyond the ACC Tourney, no matter where it is. I expected a much slower rebuild, especially after the mass exodus of players that left with Johnson. One point of correction though Brian... while winning the NIT has been this school's high water mark, you have the wrong year. Winning the NIT in 1973 was a superior win due to the fact that the NIT had a deeper pool of talent to choose from. The Big Dance was smaller then with only 25 teams and many fewer at-large invitations extended. In my opinion, that team would have easily made the tourney and the sweet sixteen if the field had been expanded to 64 teams then. Bobby Steven's shot heard round the world was nearly as big a news story then as any of the final four games.
That win put VT on the map because before that no one had ever heard of that little school down there in the mountins of SW Va. Great team. They could have done very well in the NCAA's.
I still remember the Sports Illustrated season preview about the Hokies. We had All American candidate in Allen Bristow (who was an amazing inside-outside player) and they basically acknowledged him but dismissed the team. They said that they had three things to say about Va Tech.... that is "They are two short (nobody in the starting lineup over 6-9), too local (could field a starting lineup of all Va. players) and too white.....
I only want to make the NCAA tournament so that when I'm in Vegas for the first weekend I can throw large amounts of money on VT to win. Also, large amounts of money on UVA to lose. I sense a parlay.....
I sense you possibly needing to do some things you're not proud of to get home.
So much over analyzing here. That fact that we are close or in the talks of getting a bid to the NIT if we win a couple more games is a success to me from where we were last year or even the past 3 years.
If we get it great, if not, oh well... we have improved so much from where we started from this mess.
Right there with you. To play on a high level court you need some combination of athleticism and skill. If you want to play as a team, you need good coaching and toughness.
AAU kids come into college programs pretty pampered oriented around themselves and their "chaperones"... IMHO. Sadly many don't actually have the skills they need to succeed.
I feel like Buzz has done a great job of getting some great athletes into the program. He has "skilled them up" much more than I thought could be done during a season. Much more work to be done, but I admire the job he has done with skills development (during the season). I have preferences around offensive sets, but I do feel like the offensive sets these kids run and I guess are designed by Buzz have been perfect for this team. Lots of guys getting the ball... minimizes the dependence on a PG (which I still maintain we don't have). So I really like the Buzz team coaching piece. Lastly, Buzz has gotten these kids to buy into being tough. I freaking hate cheering for any team that can't blue collar up and outwork out tough another team. I feel like every time I turn on the TV (or Internet) to turn on VT hoops.... I want to be actively cheering this group on. This has become an easy team to root for.
NIT, NCAA... those things will all come in time... we are on the right track and we have a bunch of kids and a fantastic coach to cheer on.
Is the game tonight on TV anywhere, or just espn3, as hokiesports.com says?
I think if you are east of the Mississippi it should be on the "ACC Network". So check your local listings, I think Blacksburg and in DC it is usually FOX or the CW.
Tonight's game is not televised, but it will be on ESPN3.
That's not what VT Twitter account had earlier today. Did it change?
My only question is how is FSU a lock for the NIT? If you compare them to us it's a pretty close call. Their SOS is ranked slightly higher although this could be argued considering they only played Iowa out of conference and we played ISU and WVU. Secondly, if you look at the conference games, we have almost identical wins and losses outside of FSU beating ND. They are 7-10 in the ACC while we sit at 8-8 and we beat them. Even if Tech loses their last two and FSU loses its last to Syracuse I still think Tech has a stronger bid for the NIT when compared head on to each other.
As a resident of Beamersville(C'ville) that works with a couple-o Hooheads (one of them my supe) I discovered that they have a very vested interest in our success for the following 2 games. I discovered that if we knock off da U, they presumably get a better or best seed for the ACC tourney.
We do not have a single road win over a NCAA caliber team, we do not belong in the tournament. Two neutral site wins over tournament teams might get us on the bubble, but might win the ACC tournament. Winning conference record should get us into NIT. Even in conference should get us on bubble, but may need to knock out a bubble team in the ACC tourney to get in. Winning over-all record should get us into post season play, which equals my best case pre-season predictions, and puts us well ahead of rebuild schedule. Huge turn around with positive momentum to help get us over the recruiting hump with mid-level ACC prospects, where they would chose VT over Clemson, GT, Wake, etc and help us make a jump into the next tier. Great article. I would rather go to any tournament where we can get some wins than sneak into one with an awful seed and play a really good team in a hostile environment first game.
Hey, don't forget Tech went to the sweet sixteen in 1969 and lost in overtime to Dayton. That was perhaps the high point in basketball.
It was 67 and we lost in the elite 8 fwiw
My dad is 61... not sure he was even in high school when that happened.
I remember watching that game. Tech had the lead and the ball. Ron Perry was dribbling to run some clock; and the ref called a 5 sec penalty. Dayton got the ball and scored. We lost.
Glad to know the ref who called the block on Wilson tonight was just upholding tradition.
We just need to take each game one at a time and win them. Tonight Pitt. Hopefully they will have a let down game after Duke and we can ride our momentum.
We just made the road to the NIT a lot harder. Now Pitt is competing for a spot at the NIT. They aren't going dancing anymore.
Worth it
Eh, last I saw they were around the 6-8 seed mark, this loss will obviously probably drop them a little but unless something crazy happens they should be in.
Dixon has gamed the RPI like a champ, they are still in good shape.
You're right. What was this team thinking, trying to win against Pitt like that! /s
I'll take a win against Pitt, and especially knocking them out of the dance, over a trip to the NIT any year.
If Pitt drops to the NIT, another NIT tournament team will move up to take their spot in the NCAA. There are still the same number of teams in front of us, unless the quality win lets us pass someone else. We made the road easier, not harder.
Math and logic are hard.
Looking towards the ACC tourney, if I understand the tiebreaker rules, a VT win OR Pitt and Clempson losing would give us at least a #7 seed and make the road to our autobid a little easier.
I would really like to see them get to the #7 seed, that way they would play at 7pm on wednesday instead of 12 pm and it would be a more favorable matchup most likely
Just an update on our possible seeding for the ACC tournament
If you can get to the game, be there. Cassell is becoming one of the tougher places to play in the ACC again. And it is marvelous.
However, someone needs to explain to this Yakker that basketball has 5 players, and the student section would be the 6th man
Unfortunately it'll be spring break for students. Maybe, juuuust maybe some will stick around for the game but I wouldn't hold my breath
I thought for sure the place would be packed last night. I think it's time for free donuts and a standby line.
If there was a game where they allow students in for free, this would be it. I know they did for UNC, but that was a special case.
The athletics department should be doing everything to make that place full and loud.
I know when I was there (09-13), they allowed any student in for free after the first 10-15 minutes from the start of the game for all the games, they would just have the really high corner seats that weren't filled by lottery winners and other fans