UNC-Chapel Hill announces receiving NCAA notice of allegations
Statement from UNC:
"We take these allegations very seriously, and we will carefully evaluate them to respond within the NCAA's 90-day deadline. The University will publicly release the NCAA's notice as soon as possible. The notice is lengthy and must be prepared for public dissemination to ensure we protect privacy rights as required by federal and state law. When that review for redactions is complete, the University will post the notice on the Carolina Commitment website and notify the news media. When we respond to the NCAA's allegations, we will follow this same release process. Consistent with NCAA protocols, the University cannot comment on details of the investigation until it is completed."
No information about what was said in the Notice has been leaked at this point. More details TBD.
UPDATE: UNC is currently reviewing its 3rd NCAA Notice of Allegations it has received in the past 5 years. School is expected to make the document public by the end of the day today.
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Boom goes the dynamite.
Unfortunately, more like pop goes the firecracker.
So...blah blah blah,
Any current recruits that we are competing for that this may effect? (Who was the West Forsyth DE recruit?)
Jalen Dalton. Pretty sure the 2 year ACC transfer rule would apply to him now that he signed his LOI, no?
Not to bring up Deflategate again, but this right here is the best way to respond when you get caught/are accused of something.
Due to the inconsistancy of the NCAA in everything they touch, do we really believe they will really get this one right as well.
I'll be sitting here on the edge of my seat expecting their "careful evaluated decision"
Agree, don't hold your breath waiting on significant punishment by feckless NCAA.
Damn my ass is numb sitting here waiting for something. Almost a year!
In charging a lack of institutional control, the NCAA said the school didn't do enough to monitor the AFAM department or the academic support program for athletes. That allowed counselors to use the irregular courses to help keep at-risk athletes eligible, "particularly in the sports of FOOTBALL [emphasis added], men's basketball and women's basketball," according to the notice. (Associated Press June 4, 2015)
The Big Lie.
It's pretty much how the world works today.
Yeah. I'm a cynic. Big surprise.
I so desperately want to make a comment here on the world at large, but it would not be short and I would be banned for violating most of the ToS. Let us hope that justice seeks its own way out here.
nm...double post
Yeah because coaches always are honest with recruits about everything when trying to woo a kid. If you can't trust them to be honest with your chances for playing time expecting them to be honest about future sanctions ready to come down. I mean UNC has been so honest with us all throughout this process already, no reason to suspect they're lying now....
So the word of the coaches is worth about the same as a degree from UNC? Check.
There is another huge aspect to this - UNC has been placed on probation from its accrediting body, the most severe penalty that can be imposed before loss of accreditation. That should concern any student considering UNC, athlete or not.
Yeah, let's not forget the real losers in this whole mess are the students who aren't athletes who stand to have their degrees essentially invalidated if the school or their program loses accreditation.
Doesn't matter if the student was an athlete or not, those paper classes should not be a basis on which a degree should have been awarded. It's sad, but they didn't earn a degree.
The program can lose accreditation, which affects a student in that program even if they didn't take the classes.
Sad, but I'm OK with that. They didn't earn much of a degree there, even if it isn't their fault. That program had very little going for it in terms of a standard.
I'm assuming that just this program would lose accreditation, and not the entire university.
No, the whole university is on accreditation probation, for multiple violations.
http://collegefootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2015/06/12/uncs-biggest-issue-n...
This is a major deal for the flagship university in the state. It has many outstanding academic programs (I almost went there for grad school when I was accepted into their very highly rated Biophysics program), and I know a lot of alumni that are pretty pissed about the whole situation. They worked their asses off, and now their alma mater may be in deep trouble.
I honestly think UNC should have been on accreditation probation or suspension from the very beginning. I was more offended by the level of academic fraud than the athletic fraud. A university degree should still mean something. UNC has contributed to lowering what it means to get a 4 year degree from a good university.
What do you expect?
If they tell the truth, UNC football won't have any commits.
With the "lack of institutional control", you'd think this would warrant pretty severe penalties.
Huh, I didn't know Butch Davis was still at UNC...
UNC coaches are telling recruits that NCAA penalties will not "harshly" affect football. Guess the truth of that statement depends on one's definition of harshly.
Fedora held a presser to address the news:
Its that time of the year again. Becoming an annual tradition in the ACC
UNC currently reviewing NCAA's 3rd Notice of Allegations in past 5 years
The school plans to make the NOA public by the end of the day
At the end of the day this is all we will continue to see
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Not a single mention of men's basketball or football in the NOA. Damn this an even bigger joke than I thought it would be. I figured they would mention them and not sanction them but to just not even mention those two teams is something else.
The mentioned Lack of Institutional Control might hit everything.
Couldn't agree more. This is a complete load of bull. They pinned everything on WBB. As if the situation couldn't get any more embarrassing, now other conferences are looking at the ACC and somehow even further questioning our academic standards with this news. Give me any hypothetical you like, including the NC, and I'd go for maintain and properly enforce academic standards. This is for two reasons, one obviously self interest in that I will forever be presenting a resume to potential employers with VT on there. The second is even more important, I'll skip my opinion of pay to play, and just say that if athletes' compensation is an education, they should be rewarded with it. Take some of the damn money you are spending on recruiting, and invest heavily in tutoring.
I understand that certain students can't get any education if they don't meet requirements, but at least give them every shot possible at learning until it reaches that point. This whole situation has been an embarrassment on the conference in whole. This is the way the world works, every program does it to some extent, they carry enough monetary value to the NCAA that we knew this would happen; whatever the excuse, it is BS. If compensation remains the education provided, at least do what you can to pay minimum wage. The pretty well supported stories about what was happening was far below that threshold, and this is from UNC, a school with an excellent educational system, at least for individuals other than those that have difficulty managing both academics and sports, or just academics that happen to play sports.
No. They pinned nearly everything on nearly everything. The one single finding related specifically to WBB was a self-reported finding...what was the NCAA supposed to do? Not report it?
Now this may very well be more of nothing, but on the surface this is 5 more severe allegations. I can't tell my sources (let's just say I do a lot of university compliance related work at various schools - albeit non-athletic compliance - and I might be doing work right now at a certain university in a state south of VA), but FWIW I had 2nd hand sources tell me last night that the poobahs at UNC met yesterday and are concerned.
Not following your point. The new report barely adds to the previous, and more so detracts from it. Where in the NOA are the basketball and football programs identified? These were previously included. Why was the time frame reduced when there is substantial evidence that this went on for close to 18 years per the U.S. Justice Department official?
It is no surprise that UNC is worried, because the NCAA could go after all athletics programs for scholarships and postseason bans; however, with the self reporting action that UNC took, and removal of MBB and FB from the NOA, the easier route would be to ding the WBB program and move on.
Guess we will see how it plays out.
They are basically charging UNC with lack of institutional control.
The WBB thing is a just a self-reported throwaway (some might say a smokescreen or sacrificial lamb) by UNC; the NCAA isn't going to not report it (double negative intended), but just because it is #1 on the list and just because WBB is the only sport specifically mentioned in a finding doesn't necessarily mean anything.
This is exactly what I said was going to happen. WBB gets hammered. FB gets a slap in the wrist. MBB/Roy gets completely off.
NCAA should just stop trying. Just become a for profit corporation that runs the playoffs. The vail of "enforcement" is such a joke.
UNC has had recruits sign and complete their eligibility in the time this investigation has gone on. What a joke!
Here's the PDF of the amended NOA:
http://media2.newsobserver.com/static/content/multimedia/interactive/unc...
What a lot of people are missing (and is rightly pointed out by marcb2 above) is that there are 5 "Level I" (i.e. most severe) allegations that UNC is facing. The fact that basketball and football are not named specifically is irrelevant. The University is facing severe accusations of fundamental, systemic violations across sports, culminating in a lack of institutional control. Women's basketball is named specifically in Allegations 1 and 4 (in part), while more general problems are listed in Allegations 2-5 (inclusive of the problem related to WBB in 4). Allegation 5 is perhaps the most damning.
So women's BBall is Cleveland State in this scenario?
Welp, me and the wife just relocated from Michigan to Chapel Hill for her to complete her Masters in Accounting... smdh. Knew I should have pushed her towards Tech
Interesting read from David Teel, who talked to former NCAA infractions chair Tom Yeager:
http://www.dailypress.com/dp-spt-teel-column-yeager-unc-20160430-column....
I'm confused and this pisses me off. Players have admitted to taking bogus classes (and have sued for not receiving proper education), yet they remove football and basketball from the amended NOA.
Read the link I posted directly above your comment, as well as several others in this thread. UNC is facing lack of institutional control, which is as bad as it gets and affects everything.
I did. I just don't have enough faith in the NCAA to believe they will punish UNC football and basketball.
So you're confused and pissed off because of your pre-conceived notion of what may or may not happen?
Why wait until now to tell us?
And BTW, they didn't remove anything...they expanded it.
Yea they did remove specific references to Football and men's basketball from the first NOA to the second.
Every time I see this thread pop back up I'm like, "Again??!!?! I'm shocked. SHOCKED!"
Well, not that shocked
Only thing that will truly shock me is if the time comes anywhere close to fitting the crime.
My guess is the NCAA gives UNC a stern finger shake, and then to prove their toughness gives N.C. State the death penalty for jaywalking and aggravated mopery.