1987 and 1988 incidents are also mentioned.
http://www.pennlive.com/news/2016/05/court_filing_says_joe_paterno.html
http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/ncaaf/bigten/2016/05/05/penn-state-...
http://thebiglead.com/2016/05/05/joe-paterno-was-told-of-child-abuse-by-...
EDIT: CNN is now reporting that a victim says he told Joe Paterno about abuse in 1971 and that Paterno questioned his motive and accused him of making it up.
http://www.cnn.com/2016/05/06/us/jerry-sandusky-victims-paterno-penn-sta...
NBC is reporting that 6 assistant coaches witnessed 'inappropriate behavior' between Sandusky and young boys over a course of 3 decades.
http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/sandusky-case-bombshell-did-6-penn-s...
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That picture is the funniest thing I've ever seen.
I have some PSU friends. Even if this information is true, they would STILL defend JoPa. Talk about a cult up there.
I went to grad school in PA. Honestly, they could show video of JoPa watching Sandusky do his thing and they would still defend him.
This visual is just too much.
I'm not looking for NCAA sanctions but why hasn't the DOJ or US Attorney not investigated the school, people involved, local PD, local DA office.
From the Penn Live article:
No idea about the 1976 allegations, but there is/was a criminal investigation.
That was a criminal investigation of a few people. I'm talking a pattern and practice investigation of local PD, a RICO investigation of PSU admin and athletic dept and a criminal probe of the local DA's office.
that seems like an awful lot of money to spend on an investigation surrounding the acts of a monster which has already been apprehended.
I'm not saying that it's not worth investigating but public officials who make those decisions might think its a waste of money.
The DOJ has done pattern and practice investigations of PD's with a lot less victims complaining. Plus the DOJ is already investigating schools like UVA for their handling of sexual violence this would roll right into that.
Pretty sure PSU was probed pretty thoroughly by this point. I don't think the Police got much wind of this. It was one monster preying on victims, and 5-10 people who hid it.
Chances are, Sandusky is still being probed pretty thoroughly
Yea independent investigations with no subpoena power don't usually do a lot.
DOJ is too busy dealing with NC right now... They'll get to Penn St later on
Also the people of Pennsylvania really need to demand better sunshine laws.
Dude!! I always complained to my wife about it never being sunny in Pennsylvania - we lived there for 3 years. Once we moved to VA, it was apparent that I wasn't crazy in thinking that. It really doesnt sunshine up there much.
But I thought it was always Sunny in Philadelphia?! TV is such bullshit...
Jokes aside. This is just sick. Allowing that to continue for that long is just disgusting. The optics are incredibly bad (in more ways than one). This just sickens me.
Seriously though, wtf!? Are some of the employees of the DOJ alumni of PSU or something?
This is really really sad on a lot of levels both for the young men involved and as a commentary on culture (both large and small).
A lot of nuances here... I'm sure this type of thing has happened/is happening in other places/venues.
Lesson: Most people aren't really who we think they are (for the good and the bad), and the ethos of most organizations really isn't what we imagine it to be (for the good and the bad).
It's been affirmed probably over a million times, but I'm so very glad and thankful we had Beamer.
Some men in positions of trust and power over young people have long been abusers of that power, some caught, many or most even, not. When my wife started a Big Brothers Big Sisters program in central Va. back in the 80s, she was told that special attention should be paid to vet the applications of volunteers that work in those areas. Preachers, school teachers, policemen, etc. were to be paid special attention to. I guess we can obviously add coaches to that list. Pedophiles seek those positions out and use them to exploit vulnerable youth. It's just their modus operandi, and they seldom get caught in the act. Usually they get caught when their victims grow up and start dealing with screwed up lives or perpetuating the abuse they experienced at the hands of these "trusted" men. What a mess, huh?
Whats sad to see is the continued reaction of the Penn St. community and the Paterno family in specific, that will twist any way they can to explain how Joe Pa couldn't have possibly known!
At this point, I can't imagine any way that he wasn't aware for quite awhile. He was literally the most powerful man in that community. At the very least we know he was told at least once and did nothing. His own words "I should have done more", but he never clarified what he meant by that but it seems obvious. I've heard them say "It was the witnesses fault, they should have gone to the police, Paterno was just a football coach". As if a football coach doesn't understand when things are glaringly, horrifically wrong going on.
It will probably never be proven, and the monster is behind bars for the rest of his life now. But as far as I am concerned, you will never convince me that Paterno wasn't aware of this for a lot longer than just the early 2000s. And that leads me to believe there are a number of victims that could have been spared from having this horrible event befall them if he (and many others that seem to have looked the other way at Penn St.) could have manned up and cared more about kids than football.
I honestly hope Penn St. football is never relevant again. I'm from PA and I could never stand them, even moreso now.
You're spot on.
Specifically in regards to Paterno - the man is dead and lived just long enough to see his entire legacy tarnished. What do people expect to happen when more reports come out regarding whether or not, and for how long, he knew? It's not like we can dig him up and posthumously charge him with anything and most everyone outside of the PSU cult already have a less than favorable viewpoint on him.
Now if you find info linking living people with covering it up then I'm all for going after them.
Cost his estate money, it was clearly an institutional problem it should cost PSU money, it should also cost them in new training required of employees.
His estate? Joe used to turn around and donate most of his money back to the university. You also have to prove things in a court of law and who is actually going to sue the family?
Every victim after he was told and did nothing. Civil court is actually only preponderance of the evidence not beyond a doubt proof. Think that standard has already been met.
it's not like this is some constant witch hunt with the sole purpose of getting paterno's statue torn down or getting effigy of him burned.
these are all part of larger court proceedings against PSU and members of the administration; in this regard what he knew and when is actually still important
CNN is now reporting that a victim says he told Joe Paterno about abuse in 1971 and that Paterno questioned his motive and accused him of making it up.
http://www.cnn.com/2016/05/06/us/jerry-sandusky-victims-paterno-penn-sta...
NBC is reporting that 6 assistant coaches witnessed 'inappropriate behavior' between Sandusky and young boys over a course of 3 decades.
http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/sandusky-case-bombshell-did-6-penn-s...
6 coaches saw it happening and the school did nothing
If all of this is true throw the fucking book at the school. Considering the rallies in support they haven't learned and likely never will. And get creative if you have to. Don't bar then from playing but bar anyone from playing them.
They should drill a hole in the back of the statue so Paterno can be raped in effigy.
um...ew
DAYUM!!!! That's cold-blooded! What a sec...
Their post-season ban and scholarship reduction should have never been overturned. PSU fans are awful. They are basically Holocaust deniers and I wouldn't be surprised if there is not big overlap between the two groups.
CNN: Paterno pressured victims to drop charges
That people still think his statue should be re-installed is an amazing example of rationalization.
Per ESPN, Penn St has confirmed that a portion of the settlement they paid out to make this all go away includes a payment to the accusers from the 1971 case.
So.... yeah... Keep that in mind when you hear all the venom today being spewed by the high ranking Penn St officials.
At this point Penn St. and the Paternos just need to stop talking.
I understand that watching the final nail go into your father's legacy is probably a shitty experience...but at this point it's just making things worse.
I agree. At this point, the only thing that could possibly be said in favor of Paterno is that he was hopelessly naive, which is still horrible in relation to the seriousness of the situation. Best for all to just shut up.
Except its coming out he wasn't naive. In fact, if the reports are to be true, he not only knew what was going on, but was making personal calls to the accusers pressuring them into dropping charges way back when to keep it all under wraps. Oh, and pretty much the entire PSU football coaching staff knew about it, but weren't allowed to act on the knowledge.
That's my point. Best case is he was naive enough to think Sandusky was being falsely accused. Worst case is that he believed it to be true and didn't care.
"Worst case is that he believed it to be true and didn't care"
I'm starting to wonder if the narrative is going to go from "condone" to "endorse" soon...
We may not have reached "worst case scenario".
It really IS hard to understand how one can know about a creepy guy like Sandusky butt raping minor young men in the showers, in a place that is tantamount to your kingdom, and firmly entrenched as the legendary ruler of said kingdom, and simply let it go.
If Paterno was not outraged by that, which seems to be the case...how DID he feel about it?
Yikes.
Back when this all went down I told all the PSU fans I knew to just accept the punishment and drop it all. It's better to just get it over and done with and consider it a part of the past instead of having it pop up all the time into perpetuity.
Holy dogshit! As horrible as everything they did is, this right here made me roflmao. Much thanks Mr. HOAT!
Unsealed Court Documents: 6 separate instances of child sexual-assault were either witnessed by or reported to Penn St admins as far back as 1976.
Only two went to trial. All 6 were given settlement payments by Penn St.
From the 1976 allegation:
Wow. Just wow. Inexcusable.
Clearly the statue should come back up as PSU football alums have requested.... \s
Wow. That's brilliant. I feel so dirty for awarding that leg.
Just when you don't think you can possibly be any more disgusted....
'You're gonna apologize' to Jerry Sandusky, alleged sex abuse victim told after reporting assault
Added emphasis is mine
I really do hate Penn State with a vengeance for this mess.
I don't hate Penn State, I loathe the people involved in the cover up.
I've been saying for some time, these Penn St. folks just need to give it up.
These letterman asking for the statue to be brought back only reali reminds me of the sheer awfulness that this school went along with for the sake of winning some games. I honestly had not really though about PSU at all in months until I saw that story pop up.
There is sadly at this point no other way to correct what was done to these poor kids. They just need to stop the hero worship and move on.
Complete definition of absolute sick fucks.
This is the story that just doesn't stop.
Penn State Investigating New Sexual Abuse Allegation Against Jerry Sandusky
Keep in mind, Sandusky was arrested in 2011, so if this was the case, this was happening during the time he was being investigated. And knowing Paterno knew about this as early as 1976, to hear it was still going in 2010.... Absolutely disgusting
Fuck Pedo State. That is all.
This must be why JoePa had such thick glasses, so he could claim he couldn't see anything
r/cfb shuts down every single post about PSU sexual abuse. It is super annoying
Would be less annoying if the NCAA hadn't restored the Paterno victories achieved after his knowledge of Sandusky's activities, under pressure from Pennsylvania politicians.
I'm not really feeling sorry for the Penn State fans who want his statue back up.