"Foe"Rensics: Liberty, The Bell Tolls for Thee

Virginia Tech opens its 2016 football season against Liberty, what you need to know about the Flames.

Hello. Welcome back! Holy hell, I can't believe you clicked on this, you must be so desperate at the end of this horrendously long offseason that you'll read ANYTHING. Great news for me! And great news for you; I was real busy this summer so I didn't have time to do ANY research on Liberty. But that's okay! I've got a great imagination, a can-do spirit, no word limit to stay within (or concept of what one is) and lots of exclamation points!


WOOHOOOOOOO! Let's DO THIS! Damn, that gif never gets old.

1. What's been happening?

A. Sadly, the 2015 season marked the end of not one, but two eras. Frank Beamer has left the Beamer Barn for greener fairways, and the last Fuller brother has left for the NFL in order to finally get paid what he deserves for the privilege of watching him do magical football things. I'ma need a minute.

Okay, tough guy, tell me YOU weren't in a darkened room crying when he declared for the draft.

So what does this mean for the future of Hokie football? Can Fuente carry on the Murray State tradition in Blacksburg? Is there another pair of perfectly gene-matched, virile and fertile parents like Vincent Sr. and Nina out there who have blessed the world with a quartet of amazing sons ready to carry on the brotherly legacy in Lane Stadium?

Elsewhere this summer, the mighty Welsh Dragons made it all the way to the semi-finals of the European Championship in soccer. A country about the size of New Jersey with the population of Iowa came within a whisker of the final at their first major tournament since the Eisenhower Administration. They made it further than traditional powers like Spain, Italy, and England1, and avenged the U.S. for the 2014 World Cup by putting Belgium to the sword 3-1. This happened shortly after my favorite Premier League team managed to become NOT a Premier League team anymore. Yes, Aston Villa was relegated to the Championship, meaning they are now harder to find on TV than the ACC Network, but that much closer to their level of competition, which has recently been just above hungover pub league.

2. Great, I'm so happy for an update on your weird European obsessions.

A. Cymru am byth! Wanna hear about the Olympics next?

3. No. Stop. Please. Football. Now. Who do we start off with this year?

A. The feared footballers of Liberty University!


This was on the second row of a Google image search for Lynchburg Liberty University2. The guy on the far right is my spirit animal.

4. Liberty?

Yes, a potential in-state rival 90 minutes away! There hasn't been one of those since James Mad-

5. DON'T SAY IT.

A. Uh...I mean...VMI! Whew, that Keydet rivalry was one to remember.

6. If they are so close, why hasn't Tech played them before?

A. Well, that all goes back to where Liberty came from.

7. Here we go.

A. Way back when, you may remember that we were once colonies of the evil tyrants of Great Britain who pissed us off by making us drink tea and buy stamps to mail letters so we'd have to pay their stupid taxes. So a lot of dudes started writing pamphlets and making speeches about how much that sucked and they just wanted some coffee and no, they don't CARE what happened to their mom back in Philly when Aunt Gertrude came for the summer with her seventeen half-feral cats, STOP MAKING HER WRITE US LETTERS.

One of the more famous speeches was by a Virginian named Patrick Henry, who is frequently misquoted as yelling "Give me liberty or give me death!" What he ACTUALLY said was "Give me liberty or give me Beth", referring to Beth Watson, a girl he met at boarding school in Scotland who he'd had a major crush on for decades. Henry wanted the British crown to give her up, or else he was taking his tobacco and his cotton and was LEAVING THE EMPIRE. Well, you can just guess what happened next.


An artist of the time period's rendering of Beth Watson. Walking on water.

The crown, loathe to freely give us a strategically hot ass...et, declined Henry's request and war ensued. Luckily, fellow Virginian George Washington whomped their ass...embled armies and sent them packing, even allying with the French, the military equivalent of tying one arm behind your back, to give the Brits a sporting chance.

Turns out, no one actually asked Beth if she even WANTED to go to America, which, it turned out, she did not. Citing the distinct lack of educational opportunities for her potential children, she demurred, writing to a friend that the only institutions of higher learning in Virginia (at the time) were "either founded or attended by that rapscallion Thomas Jefferson, and any university that would besmirch their good name by a willing association with his has no good name at all." Harsh words, indeed.

8. And yet, true.

A. So Henry did what any forlorn, lovestruck fool would do in the 1700s, he founded a college. Not so much in a final attempt to woo Ms. Watson, but as more of a middle finger type gesture. Mr. Henry was not the most forgiving of men, and in a vile rage, he explicitly named his college after the OTHER option in his threat, Liberty. And here we are.

9. Too late to ask for the short version?

A. Have you never been here before? I don't do short versions. So Beth stayed back in Englandshire and continued the family tradition of producing lovely women with intoxicating accents.

10. Any other interesting facts you can share?

A. Sure. When the athletic department was started up in the 1970s, Mr. Henry's descendants still carried the university's founding story in their hearts. To make sure that any of Beth's great great great great great great grandchildren knew that her scorn had never been forgotten, they decided to honor her with the naming of the mascot. And in a double entendre, they pulled it from the Taming of the Shrew, a none too subtle jab:

All of my Shakespeare knowledge comes from Julia Stiles or Claire Danes

11. Wow. A Heath Ledger pull that wasn't the Joker.

A. The "hunky Australian teen" role really demonstrated his range. Anyway, turns out that "Liberty Hatred That Burns With the Fire of a Thousand Suns" wouldn't fit on the athletic department's letterhead, so they settled on "Liberty Flames" instead. The Henry's certainly enjoy getting all dramatic and Shakespearean on someone. The personification of the Flames mascot now fully encapsulates Henry's pain:


Nothing conveys the concept of liberty and undying hatred more than an angry eagle with...what the hell is that, a beard? Is that a bearded eagle?

12. Any cool football related traditions?

A. Well, they've actually got a whole promotional video on YouTube to help teach people about the awesome, unique Liberty traditions. These include a rather innovative chant when they get a first down of "Move Those Chains", a helpful reminder to the officials that they should adjust the first down markers and associated chain (the inspiration for the chant) to account for the new ball placement. They also initiated a tradition of the "12th Man", something that the Texas A&M Aggies have since appropriated. The 12th Man gets its name from the fact that there are only 11 players allowed on the field at one time, but if you are super sneaky, you can disguise a 12th one and thus give your team a man advantage.

13. Do they have rivalries?

A. Yes! They have a rivalry with the Coastal Carolina Chanticleers, who are named after a rooster from Canterbury Tales. With Coastal Carolina going full Chaucer, it seems to be the only rivalry in college football to be based on each school's preferred choice of medieval English literary figure. Turns out that Coastal Carolina is ditching the Big South (Liberty's conference) in a bid to go to I-A football, which could pose a problem for the rivalry except that apparently Liberty is considering doing that as well. This would give Virginia three I-A teams, along with the Hokies and ODU.

14. Any Fullers?

A. No. Which means Saturday's contest will be a Fuller-free affair.

Take the pain away, Michael

15. What about the rest of their roster?

A. Liberty has many players, including a pair of brothers, Josh and Nick Newman, from Manhattan, NY, a rather uncommon source of football talent, especially considering their parentage.


Hello, Newman

They've got Tanner Hartman, who'll be playing a homecoming game of sorts, since he hails from just over in Christiansburg and his father was a three-time letter winner at Virginia Tech. He transferred to Liberty after a brief stint at Penn State, because...wait, why didn't he come here? I guess the Hokies were just probably way too good at offensive line to even consider a guy who's dad used to play here. Who needs offensive line depth, anyway?

Other roster highlights that I wish I had made up are a guy named Canon3, a Norwegian named Ernst, a Mitsubishi Dia'Vante, a Jaylyn, whose parents win the award for most unnecessary uses of the letter Y, an Alpha and my personal favorite for reasons I cannot explain, Rudiger Yearick4.

16. Do they have a coach?

A. Yes, Turner Gill, a man you may recognize from his brief success at Buffalo, which he parlayed into a job at Kansas where he flamed out5. Sadly, following the unusual success of Mark Mangino, Turner could not carry on the tradition of corpulence and was fired after winning only five games in two years. Luckily for Turner, he had an AWESOME agent and Kansas had to cough up a $6M payoff to get rid of him, which Turner wisely chose to bring to Lynchburg, VA instead of, you know, the Caribbean where he could live the rest of his life out in luxury on the beach drinking margaritas. Turner has had moderate success at Liberty, making the playoffs once and winning the conference three times in four years while never losing less than four games.

17. Should I go to Lynchburg?

A. Yes, if you are into a year-round "dry slope" skiing complex, they have one! And if you are eating while you are there, why don't you give the Texas Inn a shot, which according to the most recent menu I could find, still lists candy bars on its menu, which I don't think I've seen since 1987. A rave Google review from patron M Hill:

Go for the western and a bowl. This is one of those places you have to stop by at least once. The food is even good when you are sober.

The last sentence reminds me of Gumby's Pizza, except for the part about being good when you're sober. The western mentioned above, or more commonly the Cheesy Western, is a cheeseburger with a fried egg and homemade relish, which...that sounds really good, actually, with a side of Snickers.

18. How about barbecue?

A. According to Google, the best barbecue in Lynchburg is Pok-E-Joe's, which is apparently more a Texas style joint, per Jim Q on Yelp:

This sauces are more of a traditional western style. This is not that vinegar base junk like a the Silver Pig and the like found in South Carolina.

Jim. Jimmy. Jimbo. Where do I even start. Let's just focus on your ignorance, setting aside your insults for my beloved vinegar based sauce, which doesn't actually come from South Carolina, where they use a mustard based sauce. Your throw away insult is like casually deriding the "Zima and Brie" crowd from the University of Maryland. Or saying how terrible that mesquite brisket is in North Dakota barbecue. Well...that's probably true, actually. Moving on, Andy Volenick helpfully adds:

Sadly there were no pokemone there.

Wait...I get it! Good one, Andy. You went through all that effort just to make a stupid joke about a name? How lame can you possibly be?

19. Are you retiring FAINTs since there are no more Fullers?

A. Wow, just keep twisting that knife.

Hard to take deep introspection from guys whose first big hit was about masturbation

No, but we are repurposing the acronym. Lest we forget, Foster also starts with F, meaning we can continue using FAINT to our heart's content. We'll just do some Orwellian history revision to make you think that it was ALWAYS Foster, silly. Looking forward, given the number interceptions Jerod Evans threw last year (three picks in 287 pass attempts), combined with the expected improvement from DBU with Brandon Facyson back and all the freshmen now sophomores AND the expected uptick in quarterback pressure, AND the double-digit leads the defense will be protecting all year forcing the opposition into obvious passing situations DBU can take advantage of, I'm looking for the FAINT count to be in the -17 range this year. Just a guess.

20. What should we watch for on this Saturday?

A. I'm watching for::

  • Is 105-0 too much to ask?
  • To see if the vaunted Liberty 12th man shows up in Lane Stadium!
  • Is Frank going to take time out of his mani/pedi schedule and show up, preferably with a milkshake?
  • If Terrell and Tremaine Edmunds and/or Connor and Kevin Kish carry on the brotherly tradition of awesomeness in Blacksburg? Speaking of, did you know identical twin brothers from Oceanside, CA play on the offensive line?

Okay, enjoy the warm up match for the Battle at Bristol and we'll see you next week with an eye searing look at neon orange fashion.

1For many Welsh, this part may actually be even sweeter than making the semifinals. Not REALLY, but...the English are the LOLUVA to Wales, complete with the pretentiousness and some people actually still wear those stupid wigs as part of their job.
2This was actually a shot from a polar plunge for charity, so...respect.
3The literary kind, not the kind that goes boom.
4Maybe because it makes me think of Rutger Hauer playing Hamlet, which I would definitely pay money to see.
5See what I did there?

Comments

What an article. Yes, you need to go the Texas Inn for a Cheesy Western and a Bowl. It will cure what ails ya.

foresthokie
US Navy Vet

Just don't make conversation with the nice policemen in the parking lot after you've finished.

A decade on TKP and it's been time well spent.

What parking lot? LOL

foresthokie
US Navy Vet

Sorry, I've never been. I should have figured.

A decade on TKP and it's been time well spent.

Yeah but go to the old one so you get the cockroach taste with it. The new one is too clean.

I have no idea why my username is VT_Warthog.

Arkansas blew a 24-0 lead in the Belk Bowl.

This is the truth. The one downtown is better. You never know what you'll see at the T-Room at 2am

Ut Prosim

Ohhhhhh....

So you're a Forest, Va Hokie. Not a Hokie in a woodsy setting. Got it.

Leonard. Duh.

Ah, Beth. The Helen of her time. She was known for her beauty while Henry was loathed for his more beastly colonial qualities. Some even said Beth was magical.

NICE! Finally our only Fuller remaining has returned with his awesome weekly analysis.

H_O_K_I_E_S-HOKIES!

Proud Member Of The Key Play Community Since January 2012.

Liberty has many players, including a pair of brothers, Josh and Nick Newman, from Manhattan, NY, a rather uncommon source of football talent, especially considering their parentage

Seems as if the brothers are more destined to provide unparalleled mail service, but unfortunately they will be making no deliveries to the endzone on Saturday, since there will be no receiver present for signature.

I'm just happy we're not playing the Newmans at Bristol.

The season is nigh. THE SEASON IS NIGH!

As a Lynchburg native I can appreciate the Texas Inn reference....the chili really is good though. Lynchburg also gave us Cornell Brown and Andre Kendrick among other Hokies, so there's that to be thankful for too.

What about Logan?

He went to Brookville, which is just outside the city limits and is considered part of Campbell County.

Brookville Bees represent!!!

If you cross Laxton Rd your in the city and technically it has a Lynchburg mailing address. So we all claim Lynchburg as our home town.

"Don't go to, go through"

You go to Brookville? I went to Rustburg. what year did you graduate? I see you reside in Franklin County as well. I work for VDOT in Bedford!

I have no idea why my username is VT_Warthog.

Arkansas blew a 24-0 lead in the Belk Bowl.

A long time ago I'm afraid. 1985

"Don't go to, go through"

Damn! Haha sorry. I'm 2010. Still a lad.

I have no idea why my username is VT_Warthog.

Arkansas blew a 24-0 lead in the Belk Bowl.

Brookville 2008

My oldest should be brookville 2029 if we don't move by then. Does that count?

Warning: this post occasionally contains strong language (which may be unsuitable for children), unusual humor (which may be unsuitable for adults), and advanced mathematics (which may be unsuitable for liberal-arts majors)..

This would give Virginia three I-A teams, along with the Hokies and ODU.

Hilarious!

When's that other school going to join the party? Y'know the one I mean...UofRichmond!

A decade on TKP and it's been time well spent.

U of R. They haven't been the same after London was their leader.

Taxes. Male hair fashion. College football. Is there anything the British can't cock up?

Nope.

Who is this "London" you speak of?

Sounds like a Time Cop fella I heard about once who wasted high school player's careers.

The other is an all girls school and cannot be I-A until they go coed.

(favorite bumper sticker from high school: "Women at VMI? What's next men at UVA?!")

We put the K in Kwality

I love that bumper sticker. One of my favorites was from the days of Ralph Sampson when UVA's team played an exhibition game, I think at the Richmond Coliseum, against the touring Russian National team. Several of my old Hokie friends caravanned to the game and they claimed to have bumper stickers and T shirts that said "Better Red than UVA". They attended the game and rooted loudly for the Russians. My heros.

Reel men fish on Wednesdays

My boss is a Wahoo (he's actually a good guy) and he told me about when his friends went to that game and still talk about how crazy VT fans are for rooting for the Russians. I don't think it registered with them that they were/are that despised.

"We judge ourselves by our intentions and others by their behavior" Stephen M.R. Covey

“When life knocks you down plan to land on your back, because if you can look up, you can get up, if you fall flat on your face it can kill your spirit” David Wilson

I can honestly assure him, they were, and they still are that despised.

Reel men fish on Wednesdays

Awesome, I was afraid this series would go the way of the dodo. Thank you for the wonderful insight into colonization...

I can imagine no more rewarding a career. And any man who may be asked in this century what he did to make his life worthwhile, I think can respond with a good deal of pride and satisfaction:
“I served in the United States Navy"

This was glorious.

Being 'half-feral' would be like being half 'fully-dipped.'.......which thankfully we are not.
This is what came up on Bing image search for 'half-feral':

Liberty is going down!

So glad to see this back, thank you FifFuller. A few thoughts:

The 12th Man gets its name from the fact that there are only 11 players allowed on the field at one time, but if you are super sneaky, you can disguise a 12th one and thus give your team a man advantage.

Kinda like the Redskins did with Tony Romo or the Hokies did with Jacory Harris! Now I get it!

Also, Rudiger was the last name of the character Rudy, from the movie, Rudy, played by SamWise Gamgee, aka Mikey.

And the eagle mascot appears to be wearing a powdered wig

I was bracing for the Hamilton reference that never came. I'll be back with it once I come up with it. Watch this space.

even allying with the French, the military equivalent of tying one arm behind your back, to give the Brits a sporting chance.

i LOL'd

Onward and upward

As TKP's official Beard Correspondent, I can give my official highly regarded opinion that the Bearded Eagle, whilst a good idea in theory and one that conjures up a variety of badass images to the imagination, is, alas, a complete failure in practice. As punishment, it is my recommendation that we beat them by at least a score of 70-0.

21st century QBs Undefeated vs UVA:
MV7, MV5, LT3, Grant Wells, Braxton Burmeister, Ryan Willis, Josh Jackson, Jerod Evans, Michael Brewer, Tyrod Taylor, Sean Glennon, and Grant Noel. That's right, UVA. You couldn't beat Grant Noel.

FOERENSICS BE BACK LIKE

I love a good nap. Sometimes that's all that's getting me out of bed in the morning.

Ah, Lynchburg....Roanoke's bastard cousin.

I would root for the Russians before I would root for Virginia.

And Bedford's "funny" uncle.

Reel men fish on Wednesdays

This is like the Drunk History of football opponents.

Enjoyed the article immensely.

Yep, this. Mhmm

Nick Newman, son of Victor Newman, President and CEO of Newman Enterprises of Genoa City, Wisconsin?

Who keeps letting you write this shit?

230 of us, so far.

A decade on TKP and it's been time well spent.

One day, long from now, all of these will get published. The book will then get thrown into a time capsule and be unearthed thousands of years from now. At which point future society will be based around it, taking it as an accurate account of history.

I love a good nap. Sometimes that's all that's getting me out of bed in the morning.

Either that or we'll bury it and forget where we put it.

That seems like the more likely of the two. It'll become a legend, a folktale of sorts. If you discover the time capsule, and hold your keys in the air and jingle them and spin around three times whilst chanting "stick it in", the ghost of Emma Watson will appear and grant you whatever your heart desires. Seems legit right?

"GO BACK TO YOUR ROOM LITTLE BROTHER, THE CUP IS COMIN’ ON HOME!”

If Emma Watson is going to be giving me my hearts desire, I'm going to need her to be a little bit more solid than a ghost...

I love a good nap. Sometimes that's all that's getting me out of bed in the morning.

Well this was supposed to be a thousand years from now...maybe by then they'll have technology to keep people from aging/dying?

"GO BACK TO YOUR ROOM LITTLE BROTHER, THE CUP IS COMIN’ ON HOME!”

I'm sure her descendants will be stunning.

I don't know, some sort of...sorcerer's stone?

...and I'm out.

___

-What we do is, if we need that extra push, you know what we do? -Put it up to fully dipped? -Fully dipped. Exactly. It's dork magic.

This is what happens when you start letting anyone into the Key Players Club. We used to have standards around here!

2026 Season Challenge: TBD
Previous Challenges: Star Wars (2019), Marvel (2020), Batman (2021), Wrasslin' (2022)

I just had a hilarious thought about French writing film breakdowns in this manic style.

"You see the left guard just misses the block here, clearly because he spotted Emma Watson in the stands."

"The LB doesn't fill the gap correctly. He was probably drunk on moonshine."

"Exit light..."

This should definitely be a thing! Once a season, French and The Fifth Fuller should swap roles so we get a French "Foe"rensics and a Fifth Fuller film breakdown of a game.

"Nope, launch him into the sun and fart on him on the way up"
-gobble gobble chumps

"11-0, bro"
-Hunter Carpenter (probably)

This reminds me of my favorite story about William Tell.

Everyone knows that Tell was an expert marksman with the bow, but few realize that he was also one of the early practitioners of what would eventually become modern bowling. It was a rather crude sport back then, nothing as refined as what we have today, but it was still about precisely throwing a ball at some objects to knock them down; something that Tell could easily do thanks to his years of mastering bowman-ship.

Tell actually got his wife and oldest son to take up the sport as well, since from its very early days it was enjoyed as a team sport so that one person could record their last score while the others collected the (hopefully intact) pins and reset them. These pins would break so often that it quickly became very expensive, as you can imagine.

Much like other expensive hobbies that could provide entertainment, patrons soon got involved as individuals who were glad to spend a few of their nearly endless coins in return for the enjoyment of seeing someone as famous as William Tell practice a new sport. Sadly, since it wasn't the fashion of the time to write down who patronized such a new phenomenon, we will never know for whom the Tells bowled.

2026 Season Challenge: TBD
Previous Challenges: Star Wars (2019), Marvel (2020), Batman (2021), Wrasslin' (2022)

I wasn't sure where you were going with that...well done

Onward and upward

That has to be the longest setup for a bad pun in history. I enjoyed it very much!!!

"Don't go to, go through"

24 minutes later I am unhappy that I have profiled but happy that I got to read a nice story.

"Don't go to, go through"

You haven't heard the story about Juan Valdez, the Collumbian Coffee guy:

One day Juan Valdez decided to run for school board, and he ended up getting elected. After a couple months he was tabbed to run for the state legislature. After winning the seat and serving a few more years there he went on to win an election for the House of Representatives. He spent over a decade there, rising to be a deputy party whip before being asked to run for Senate. After 4 years as a Senator, Juan decided to run for his party's nomination for president. He won primaries in 45 states and most of the US territories to secure the nomination and his good luck in winning elections carried over to November when he was elected president. January came along and it was time for him to be sworn in as the new president. As he stood up and placed his hand on the Bible to take the oath of office, someone in the crowd shot and killed him with a golf gun. Now I don't know what a golf gun is, but I can tell you one thing: It sure put a hole in Juan.

I got hung up on the Emma picture.... was there an article here?

Just answer me this... are we going to beat their asses or kick in their shit?

"When I was growing up, Virginia Tech was a school that was kicking ass and taking names, and it's time we get back to that" - James Franklin

I think continuing with FAINT is a good idea.

I experimented with some others, like the Kish brothers (KAINT), or Adonis Alexander (A-A-AINT), but those just won't get it done. Then I considered honoring the Edmundses...(T-T-T...never mind, that won't work either)

___

-What we do is, if we need that extra push, you know what we do? -Put it up to fully dipped? -Fully dipped. Exactly. It's dork magic.

AIN'Ts is brilliant

...or Adonis Alexander (A-A-AINT)

Hey you guys! I think I know what the "F" in FAINT can stand for now!

You took us from the 1700s, thru the 70s, 80s, and 90s. You took us to Europe of back. It was spell binding and magical.

Image result for slow clap standing ovation gif

"We judge ourselves by our intentions and others by their behavior" Stephen M.R. Covey

“When life knocks you down plan to land on your back, because if you can look up, you can get up, if you fall flat on your face it can kill your spirit” David Wilson

As I woke up this morning and put on my 2009 Peach bowl shirt to get ready for the upcoming season, I thought to myself - I hope we get a Foe Rensics - I love those things!!! Get to the office and make a quick check, and BOOM!!!!! The season is off to a great start!!!!! Thank you!!!!!! (and I can see why you enjoy unlimited exclamation points!)

Sometimes we live no particular way but our own

Love these articles, thanks for the morning laughs Fuller!!!

@AMB4VT

As a Magpie fan, I feel your pain about the EPL. And I too was stoked about the mighty dragon's run in the Euro's.

Well done as always!

To you from failing hands we throw
The torch; be yours to hold it high.
@VTnerf on insta, @BuryHokie on twitter, #ThanksFrank

Since Liberty is basically the Commonwealth's version of BYU given its stringent religious personna, I figure that this is good preparation for our victory at the end of the season. May they all fall well!

May they all fall well!

nicely done.

"Nothing compares to you" 5thFuller, well done as always.

"What are you going to do, stab me? - Quote from Man Stabbed

I'm not satisfied. I need more... much more of all of the info. I'm a graduate of Liberty and have been a Hokie fan for 25 years and I approve all of this.

Hokie Hokie Hokie H....okie!

Very nice read. Gracious flamer!

Hokie Hokie Hokie H....okie!