
The Hokies were riding a wave of positive emotion following three consecutive standout defensive performances going into a match up with the underdog Syracuse Orange. All expectations were that if the Hokies could cover against the Orange's high tempo passing game, Virginia Tech would win the football game comfortably. Unfortunately, the warm up for Miami turned into a boiler as Syracuse used burning speed on the edge to make the Hokies defense look like they were still in the North Carolina mud.
In the fourth quarter, I am sure I was not alone in screaming for a more aggressive posture for the defensive secondary. Time and again, Syracuse used the short passing game to work both slots and get first downs. I kept thinking to myself, "why doesn't Foster press the slot receivers?"
The answer came when I re-watched the first quarter. Many TV viewers only had the option of seeing the end of the Clemson-NC State contest or watch the beginning of the UNC-Miami game until Clemson completed their victory. Foster was calling a much more aggressive coverage scheme in the first quarter, and Syracuse responded by beating Mook Reynolds and both Hokies safeties on vertical routes. Syracuse had given up the most sacks in the ACC coming into the game and it was reasonable to expect the Hokies pass rushers to be productive. Dino Babers and his offensive staff developed a series of check downs that allowed quarterback Eric Dungey to get the football out of his hands before the pressure could arrive.
On the first Syracuse touchdown, the Orange used play action to freeze the Hokies pass rush. Vinny Mihota and Nigel Williams are static. Tremaine Edmunds and Andrew Motuapuaka stay in a run defense posture instead of dropping underneath into short zones. Chuck Clark is the singular safety and he bites hard forward away from the run fake. This takes away any safety help deep. Dungey pulls the football from the mesh point and eyeballs the slant to Ervin Phillips.
Mook Reynolds has seen this quick slant look off the run fake all through fall camp. He guesses, even though he doesn't have deep safety help. Phillips then breaks his route up field. Reynolds gets toasted and Syracuse has an easy touchdown.
It wasn't the first time on the opening drive that the Hokies were dangerously close to being burnt deep. On this third and three, Foster sent a Reynolds on a nickel blitz from the field side and Tremaine Edmunds blitzed from the boundary. Foster's scheme had Terrell Edmunds running from the boundary safety spot to cover the inside trips receiver on the field side. Terell Edmunds was essentially running with his back to the quarterback and had to run almost a one third of the field in order to be in position to cover the slot. Dungey did a terrific job of recognizing the blitz. Generally the vulnerable area against a blitz is to throw a quick route into the space the blitzer vacated. Phillips curled up at the first down marker and Dungey made an accurate throw before Terrell Edmunds could arrive..
Syracuse had the perfect play called to get the first down. However, a quick second glance shows how vulnerable Edmunds is to a vertical route. If Philips just turns up field, Edmunds has all his momentum going to the sidelines while free safety Chuck Clark is rotating wide to take the deep route along the sidelines. Edmunds would have been toast. There were several other routes that broke open deep early and Dungey didn't see them. After watching the game progress, I think Foster went with the instinct that he couldn't run man-free without getting hit with some big plays. He changed to a more passive coverage scheme and relied on his front four to contain the running game and Dungey. The front held together just enough to keep the Hokies in the game until injuries and what looked like tired legs caught up in the fourth quarter.
As the game progressed, Syracuse abandoned most of their offensive sets except for formations that featured three receivers to the field side. Foster responded by only keeping five men in the box against most of Syracuse's one back-four wide receiver sets and only four men in the box when Syracuse used five receiver looks. Foster kept Clark and Edmunds in a deep safety posture. As result, mike linebacker Andrew Motuapuaka played inside leverage to the trips side. When the boundary featured a slot receiver, Tremaine Edmunds also had inside leverage responsibility.
With Syracuse's personnel, this adjustment created additional problems for the defense. Motuapuaka and Edmunds were forced to match up with lightening quick receivers in Brisly Estime and Ervin Phillips. And, Estime and Phillips success on quick inside curls and slants forced Motuapuaka and Edmunds to widen out, often leaving the Hokies seriously outmanned in the box.
Syracuse exploited both advantages on the critical drive of the game. This third and 10 presented the Hokies defense with their best opportunity to quell the drive. Syracuse aligned in a five-wide receiver set (two to the boundary and three to the field side.) This forced Foster to respond with his dime defense.
A close look at the personnel on such a critical down speaks volumes to how Syracuse's tempo and third down efficiency took a toll on the defense. The defensive line consists of Houshun Gaines, Trevon Hill, and Ricky Walker. All three are talented young players; however those are not the three guys you'd expect to see on such a critical down and distance.
Hill and Gaines rush, while Walker spies on Dungey. This allows Dungey a long period of time to scan the field. The Hokies are running a leverage zone, with Motuapuaka responsible for the short curl to the field side and Tremaine Edmunds responsible for the short curl on the boundary. Ervin Phillips runs the curl from the slot. With Motuapuaka lurking, Dungey hesitates. Phillips works back to the sideline away from Motuapuaka's leverage. Reynolds hands off his man to the deep safety and comes up to support Moutapuaka, but he arrives too late and misses the tackle. Phillips is able to fall forward and set up a makeable fourth down. Syracuse converted on a similar play (quick curls from both slots, and if not open Dungey had the option to run- Dungey hit Phillips on a quick curl in front of Motuapuaka) to extend the drive.
I had several messages on Twitter that were critical of Motuapuaka's coverage. I can't be. He played his assignment. The reality is, Phillips was a really good receiver and Syracuse found a way to get a good match up against Motuapuaka, and Foster was relatively static with schemes so Syracuse knew what to expect.
With Motuapuaka and Edmunds sinking under those curl and slant routes, essentially the Hokies were playing without linebacker support in the box. Dungey had a run-pass option on most plays down and his legs ultimately put the finishing touches on what looked like an exhausted defense.
On this play, Syracuse again adopts a five-wide receiver set, with three receivers to the field and two to the boundary. Foster again uses the dime defense with three down linemen. Syracuse again runs quick curls from the slot and Tremaine Edmunds and Motuapuaka sink underneath the curls. It is important to note that the receivers are running pass routes and are not blocking. This indicates that Dungey has a run-pass option, even though the offensive line is cross blocking the center and right guard.
Woody Baron has been terrific this season. However, on this play Baron's aggressive pass runs coupled with the wide rush of the defensive ends opens up a running lane for Dungey. Edmunds and Motuapuaka have to stay in their zone until Dungey has almost reached the line of scrimmage. At that point, they have to contend with the receivers (now blocking) and the right guard and the center. Dungey makes the 3rd and five conversion look easy.
After a humbling performance on turf, Foster has a short week to get his banged up defensive group ready for a critical Coastal division match up with Miami. Miami is a very difficult offense to get a read on. Running backs Mark Walton and Joseph Yearby are small backs that find a ton of space on inside zones. Brad Kaaya has NFL potential at quarterback, and he has Stacy Coley and a bevy of talented receivers to throw the football to. Yet, the offense has sputtered against Florida State and North Carolina, and injuries and attrition are doing a number on Miami's depth. If the Hokies front seven can stop the Miami running game, I don't think Miami can generate the explosive deep passing game on Lane Stadium's grass that Syracuse produced on the turf of the Carrier Dome.

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So, We're undefeated on grass, but win-less on turf(I assume Bristol was also turf)?
looks at schedule
Heinz Field - Kentucky bluegrass
Wallace Wade - Latitude 36 Bermuda Grass
Notre Dame Staduim - FieldTurf
Well, I guess I'd be happy with a 9-3 record, especially if that means winning the coastal.
Correct, Bristol was played on AstroTurf
You left off
Raymond James Stadium (NCG) - Grass
Regardless, I'll be there cheering my ass off Thurs night! Go Hokies!!!!!!!
Whelp

As always, great analysis! Very insightful...
I think we all tried to see and understand what was happening on defense Saturday. And after the game, it seemed as if most of the criticism was focused on Foster's group. I, however am of a different opinion. I think the offense sputtered for much of the day against a D that they should have easily been able to move the ball against.
Will you be doing any review of the O? If not, do you have anything specific to point to as to why the offense struggled so much? Was is schematic, execution or just plain lack of energy?
asked and answered
for those who didn't see it, I will be doing a macro review of the O for UNC thru Pitt during the next bye week. CMS published a huge final rule that is in my lap and I am in the middle of my vacation. The offensive issues require some comparative analysis game to game. I don't think it is as simple as a one game "so and so missed a block." Efficiency is the key analysis point.
When is this "next bye week"? We've got a game every week from here on out.
I'm guessing he's talking about the extra couple days we after playing Pitt next Thursday.
I hope so. Otherwise we'll be waiting until after the ACCCG to get this review.
Correct- sorry. The 12 hour days on the pier are catching up to me.
Unfortunately, this write up was oh so painfully true.
So I missed the entire first quarter and half the second quarter due to me forgetting that timezones were a thing. When I started watching we were down 14-3 and I was hoping that I lucked out and missed the early struggles. I was quite disappointed.
If offense could have kept up like we did against Tulsa, we'll be out of there with a win
Go back and look at the drive charts from that game. Only the first quarter could be called "keeping up." After that we switched to "blowing them out" then "nursing a lead" and finally "holding them off"
Drive Charts
Are we in the anti-universe?
Somewhere, Lefty is smiling at this comment.......
Kaaya is supposed still hurting from the beating he took against da Nolies and has trouble throwing it farther than 10 yards down the field so stop the run and we should be ok...
I think the company at my party was sick of me yelling "Why is Motuapuaka covering '3'?" I placed no blame on him. He had almost no chance of covering that guy or any of the slot receivers all day.
I was frustrated by not pressing the slot receivers on 3rd/4th and shorts but other than that, I felt Foster was doing what he could to keep the game manageable and did just for for the last two and half quarters before the fatigue of 90+ plays caught up to them and led to two late scores. We should have been able to overcome Syracuse' 17 well before they ever scored again.
In a perfect world, our offense is matching Syracuse scores and we can afford to bring extra pressure and take chances on defense to create stops. In this scenario, I think an aggressive Bud Foster defense produces enough stops/takeaways for the offense to run away with the game. Instead we fell into a 17-3 hole and he had no choice but to prevent a back breaking big play and made them nickel and dime down the field. The offense failed to overcome that deficit and eventually the levees broke on a physically and mentally exhausted defense.
Leg for the obscure LedZep reference. That song is haunting me now as I mentally rewatch that nightmare of a game. Thanks. (Goes away humming, "mean old Cusedome, taught me to weep and moan...").
I love it but 95% of us will not get it!
"Prayin' won't do you no good"
John "Freaking" Bonham!!! A great blues song.
D wasn't perfect. But 17 points allowed with 9 to go should have been plenty for the offense. We should have had 35 at that point.
Yep, if you told me Syracuse would have 17 about halfway through the 4th before the game, I would have been happy and figured our offense had put us comfortably ahead and the defense had mostly foiled a dangerous passing attack.
Instead it was 17-17 and the offense had been twiddling it's thumbs and blowing scoring opportunities in the red zone.
It wasn't so much the scoring as it was the repeated 4th down conversions and absolute failure to contain Dung that pissed me off the most.
The 4th down conversions and failure to contain the QB were a result of keeping the ball in front of us lest we get burned for more long touchdowns. Bud kept us in the game.
Look, I'll bite that the offense should've fucking scored the shit on that Cuse defense, and kept Dungey on the sideline watching helplessly, but I just can't accept that the best defensive coordinator in the game could not have figured out a way to slow the offense down even more and limited the 4th down conversions. Can't buy that.
Dude, really? I wasn't even attacking or insulting CBF or the players. Seriously? Smdh
Because myself and several others are over seeing unnecessarily swear filled tirades with little to no substance now three days removed from the loss.
It wasn't a "swear-filled tirade, AND I even acknowledged that the offense should've scored more to take the pressure off of Bud's unit (something I didn't get around to in the last 3 days).
Did you read the article? French pretty much outlines why the defense was unable to stop them late. Foster did the best that he could in the situation that he was presented. Even the best defenses will give up points in todays game, regardless of your unrealistic expectations. The offense didn't hold up its end of the bargain. That is where you should be directing your ire. The defense wore down and Cuse got two late touchdowns because the offense couldn't stay on the field or score points to keep up. As a Hokie fan, you should recognize this scenario. But no, you are cursing Foster and the defense for not doing more. Ridiculous.
This is the unpopular opinion, but the defense was porous enough that Cuse ATTEMPTED FIVE fourth down conversions. This is the staggering statistic for me b/c outside of Navy/GT, this is probably more than 99% of the games played. There was NO fear of our defense, and I DO put that on Foster and his boys.
I think it's more of a case where Babers could coach freely becase Syracuse had nothing to lose by going for it so many times in 4th down. Nobody was expecting them to win, so there's not really any repercussions if they don't convert some of those.
I've always thought this is an interesting saying in sports. And I get it, usually teams go for it on 4th/ run fakes / trick plays when they have a bad record and such because if it goes wrong, they don't "lose" much.
I feel like teams should always play with this type of mentality because instead of having "nothing to lose" they have "something to win."
I looked it up and all five fourth down attempts were in VT territory (2Q-4th&5 at VT33, 4th&1 at VT1/3Q-4th&5 at VT38, 4th&3 at VT47/ and 4Q-4th&2 at VT37). It is much easier to go for it on fourth down when you have a two score lead, are in the opponents territory, and have 5 yards or less to go. In fact, strategically, it is a good alternative to punting which risks a huge momentum swing with a big return or blocked kick. Most likely, a punt that close leads to a touchback which would only gain about 10-20 yards of field position compared to where VT would get the ball if the fourth down conversion fails. When the other teams offense has shown an inability to move the ball, who cares if you give them the ball on the 40 instead of the 20. Keeping the defense on the field and potentially scoring far outweighs the risks. Babers showed confidence in his guys and his system and they lived up to it.
Additionally, the first 4th down conversion was the bomb that was ruled a catch out of bounds but then questionably over-turned. That led to the second 4th down attempt which was a QB run stopped at the goal line. Neither of those attempts involved the quick, short passes that people are complaining about Bud giving too much cushion to prevent. The very next fourth down that Cuse got was a 4th and 17 from the VT35. Babers went for the field goal and it was blocked.
Oddly enough only one drive with a successful 4th down conversion led to Cuse points, the long one in the fourth quarter where they scored the second to last TD. They may not have scored on those drives, but it helped them win by wearing out the defense.
Facts are a terrible thing
Cuse could afford to attempt 5 fourth down conversions. They had nothing to lose, and almost every one of those 4th downs was in good enough field position to make it a reasonable risk for a 21 point dog.
Both O and D were off Saturday. If only one phase had been working like the previous 3 games, we prolly win.
I do think Bud should be a little less aggressive to start games, now that the offense (normally) can be relied upon to put up some decent points. Then ratchet up the pressure once/if we get a lead. The early long TDs were killers a few times last year and again Saturday.
They were also a function SU having nothing to lose. If they were 4-1 going into this game, I doubt they even try several of those 4th down attempts.
I bet they would have tried the majority of them. the field position allowed for it. It's not as if they were going for it on their 20-30 yard line.
nobody has a good time when dung slips out when you dont want it to.....
Our offense made the ACC's last ranked D look like the Steel Curtin.
French, I definitely was one of those head scratchers when we weren't playing press coverage on multiple 3rd and 4th and shorts. I see the conversative playing calling after getting beat over the top but dont understand playing 8-10 yards off. With Nigel and Ekanem nicked up and out, wouldnt you think we needed to lock onto the short routes to give rush time to apply pressure?
French,
Where's the clip that shows a cloaked Donovan McNabb muttering incantations outside of the Dome in early 1998? That would explain last Saturday a lot better than all of this X' and O's mumbo jumbo.
He wasn't muttering. He was vomiting on all the sections of turf where VT's safeties had to change directions to try and run with those vertical routes.
Hahahahaha. No film review of that I guess.
BTW, I hear'ed from sources (not #sauces) that Fuente sat in the defense meeting room yesterday for the first time this year and made his voice heard.
that's curious. because IMO the offense had a bigger role in the loss than the defense did
whether the D played better than the O is irrelevant; they did not play up to standard and I'd guess that Fu's thoughts weren't limited to that particular meeting room.
Or, to put a positive spin on it, maybe Fuente spent time in the Defensive meeting apologizing to them for the offense not holding up its end of the bargain and promising to them that the offense won't hang them out to dry again. He knows that, right or wrong, a lot of media and fans are going to point to the defense saying that they "failed". Maybe he is showing them that he has their back. Maybe he is trying to show the defense that he isn't just the coach of the offense, he is the coach of the entire team. Maybe he knows that their is a history of tension between the offensive and defensive sides of the ball somewhat ingrained in the program and he is trying to keep that mindset from creeping back in.
Am I giving him too much credit? Probably, but there is a lot of speculation that can come from a rumor that he was in the defensive meeting. Conjecture can go both ways.
maybe Fuente spent time in the Defensive meeting apologizing to them for the offense not holding up its end of the bargain ...
putting any single unit on the spot or under the bus is the fastest way for a coach to undermine unity and lose a team
I do think he wants them all to know that he has their back and that meeting individual responsibilities and having each other's back is what it takes to win
no one on the team had a particularly good day and they all should have heard from the coach. hopefully they did.
I seriously doubt this is what happened. Fuente knows why they lost. It was a team loss - none of the 3 units played particularly well (4 if you include the coaches) - and there are no one or two things that, if corrected, would have completely altered that game.
I'm not privy as to what was said. I can't characterize that.
OL Room probably needs some attention, though.
SU running a play every 20 seconds and gassing our D, etc is not an issue if we limit their possessions by RUNNING THE DANGED BALL.
I feel better now- on to Miami
FTFY
Key Word should be run the ball effectively.. we had our 2nd lowest rushing yards vs a team that airs it out..
Cuse was also the only game where we were tied (or even close) in the 4th qtr. Obviously we ran out the clock in some of the big wins. I'm also curious how many total plays we had in each game. I'd wager that, given our inability to sustain drives, we ran less plays usual.
Frank, is that you?
Edit: don't disagree at all.
What is the injury status on Ekanem? Did Settle play against Syracuse? What is his status?
Settle played.
I walked past Ekanem on campus today and he was wearing a sling. He didn't have a cast or brace on so I'm hoping its just precautionary, but its a cause for concern IMO.
Nigel Williams got hurt about the 2nd QTR, did he return?
I'm concerned about that one. And I'm sure we won't be hearing anything about injuries until the game kicks.
He didn't return and I am deeply concerned as well. Nigel Williams is one of the most underrated players in the ACC. Nobody talks about him and he has been outstanding this year.
ACC requires injury updates tomorrow for a Thursday game.
I'm concerned about Williams myself. That one didn't look good, and the trainers booked it out on to the field pretty urgently.
Potentially bad news.
So is Shai.
Several Miami D-line starters are out, as well.
http://www.miamiherald.com/sports/college/acc/university-of-miami/articl...
Looks like both teams are banged up.
I know it's not P. C. but someone needs to burn the Jiffy Pop Dome (aka the Carrier Dome) to the ground and put out the embers with Holy Water. Then exorcise the site and bless the next building. Then MAYBE the curse will be lifted.
No, our team just needs to play BETTER and win the games they're supposed to regardless of venue and situation. Also, I want 2 more road wins there before they torch it.
So we're agreed, burn it with fire? The lawyers can work out the details later.
Yeah, but after we burn the field by winning 2 more games there first.
I don't really believe in jinxes, or things like what jersey or helmet we wear having a damn thing to do with if we win our lose. But if I did, this Carrier Dome thing would be at the TOP of my list.
Don't worry - a trip to the friendly confines of Heinz field will have you forget about our troubles in the Carrier dome.
On a lighter note. She is HOT AS HELL!
The rings are on her right hand! I have a chance!
One can dream, but she is married.
Seeing the receiver escape the coverage in that first clip was difficult...
Looks like Chuck was unavailable to help Mook over the top on the first score because he thought he was getting a pick off the short slant, then they all go vertical and we're screwed. I think we got the aggressive defense we've been wanting, but when the offense didn't show up we had to go uber-conservative just to stay in the game.
On to Miami though. With them having all freshman linebackers, does that play into our strength having a running game based on misdirection?
Btw, thanks for taking time out of your vacay to provide a macro review of the defense. While it may not make me feel better, it certainly helped me understand better.
Thank you for reading.
I read the review and appreciate all the work you do French, but I couldn't click on the video clips yet. Maybe when the game isn't still so raw and hurting in my mind.
I really hope all our defensive players have a miraculous recovery for Thursday. Stroman, Williams, etc all left early in the game.
Think Stro came back. Didn't Williams get dinged a little at anUNC??
Great breakdowns as usual. Think they will bounce back this week. needed more of this. https://twitter.com/WillMontyNFL/status/787403726545911808
I understand the rationale of Bud backing off thru the end of the 1st half with us down 14-3 and the O looking utterly hopeless. At multiple points, I thought if Cuse got it to 21-3, then game over.
But in the 2nd half and particularly on the Cuse drive when we were tied 17-17...why not play aggressive...at least intermittently? Could you not mix coverages a bit? Instead we let them know exactly what was coming and exactly what would be open time after time.
The loss is not on Bud, as the O was horrid and ST were awful too, but it seems like we chose to die a long, slow death rather than take a chance at getting burned and trying to get the D off the field. With the multiple injuries and play count getting higher and higher, the D was bound to burn out, exactly like they did. Why let the inevitable happen?
I guess had we played press man and given up another long TD, we would all be bitching about that too, but it would have at least seemed like we were trying to win. Oh well.
ate 2 hot dogs while reading the analysis. Figured this would be the way French would have wanted it.
also, good stuff as always. Your reviews have caused me to not be able to communicate with other hokies in detail about football cause they don't understand how much deeper it is than just "we lost."
On a positive note...
How about that goal line stand? Syracuse got five shots from the 2 and the 1, and they got DIDDILY SQUAT.
Coach Foster's squad didn't play conservative on that series. They got goony and locked that shit down.
props to the D but the cuse made a huge mistake by throwing 5 straight passes from inside the 1 yard line. I was extremely happy with the play calling on that one. with no hokies having to worry about being beat over the top we could get up and press and not allow any curls or slants. I think if they would have went QB power 2 times they would have easily scored. kinda like they did next time they got down there and they got in fairly easy.
As far as I can tell, this loss is on the offence. The five FBS teams Syracuse played averaged 41.8 pts on offence. From what I read on TKP and think I heard from the tv commentators, the Orange defence was not very good. This game had me scratching my head. One thing I've seen, in the past, is after a significant win the Hokies seem to blow the next game they play. Not always, but it has happened. No matter, they're my team.
Just an editorial comment. My focus on the D wasn't an assignment of blame. It was my attempt to explain to myself and to the readers why the Hokies were not pressing the slot receivers late in the game when everyone knew the slots were curling up off VT's LBs and if they were not open, Dungey was running.