The guy that Vick said was 5x better than he was, the unanimous hiesman pick. Was sacked 11 times.
What a defensive show on the best mobile QB. the one thing that has killed us so much over the last 5 years.
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I can't tell if you're serious or not, but no thanks. I'll stick with Bud.
Is it the same Houston that gave up 46 points against Navy and 38 against SMU ? I'd say we stick with Bud Foster .
No. Just ..... no.
Fire Bud?
Remember back in the day when the SAT was just math and verbal? Say you took that test and got 740 on math and 500 on verbal. When you go to retake it are you going to spend all your time studying math so you can get that up to 800 or are you going to study your ass off for verbal so you can raise your overall result?
Bitching about the defense when the offense is under performing is like saying you HAVE to get that math score up. Sure, there's room for improvement, but it's just foolishness to expect a significant change in overall result if you don't focus on the offense.
I thought my SAT scores were confidential
Nice improvement on your math score.
True story, I prepped like crazy to get my math score up and ended up with an 800 (perfect) verbal on that round of testing. You never know.
I had a decent math score the first time so I tried to study for verbal the next. Math dropped 30 points and verbal held steady so I said screw it, it wasn't meant to be.
The way it used to work (and I don't know why it would have changed), they would take your highest score on each section, so if you got a high enough math score it wouldn't matter what you did in the future on math.
We're.....not gonna talk about my math score.....
I hope to god this isn't serious.
Its as serious as this is to weightloss and strength training...
Strangely erotic
that's what the blonde on the right is saying...
I, too, find this strangely erotic
Me RN:
They also got torched through the air by Navy.
Quality thread though.
if our defense really starts clicking, do you think we could beat bama?
No, but I'll bet you Bama could beat the Browns bygod.
This is and has always been the dumbest argument. I remember back in the day people asking if USC with Bush could beat the Lions. Bama's defense probably has 4-5 guys that will go pro next year? Literally every single player on the Browns is a pro and was the best at their college.
(That's the point...)
you forgot PAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWLLLLLLLLLLL
THE BROWNS WOULDN'T STAND A CHANCE AGAINST A REAL SEC TEAM LIKE BAMA PAAAAAAAWWWWWWWWWLLLLLLLL
Well, the pay is pretty similar between the two.
In the name of accuracy, Navy only threw for 76 against Houston (on three completions).
They did run for 306 though, but that's how they roll.
hmmmm those stats sound oddly familiar
GT VT STATS
GT RUSHING 309
GT PASSING 34
#sorry my bad
If we were to fire Bud he would assuredly go to another ACC team and destroy us year in year out.
Thank goodness that Fuente understands how lucky we are to have him on our side.
:( being a jag fan is like being a UVA fan. but better. because well its not UVA. but close. because well its the jags.
I didn't realize the Jags had a lacrosse team more popular and successful than the football team! Shows how much I know about Jacksonville.
Haven't you heard of the Jacksonville
SunsJumbo Shrimp...Christ's Sake I wish I was kidding.I love minor league baseball team names. That's up there with Montgomery Biscuits, Lansing Lugnuts, and the best of all of them - the Albuquerque Isotops.
Oh I've gone to Durham Bulls games most of my life, I live Mud Hens, etc. team mascots, but goingfrom Suns to Jumbo Shrimp? That's just awful, especially since it's not like Jacksonville is a huge shrimping town. If they were going for looking for historical business tie ins they would be the Shipping Containers.
I got one for you. Earlier this week they announced that the New Orleans Zephyrs would be changing their nickname to the Baby Cakes.
Baby Cakes.
BABY. CAKES.
Is that Adam Sandler with his shirt tucked in all awkward?
are you fo' real?
Already posted a reaction, but this is also appropriate
I assume Jpoole is trying to say Lamar is overrated rather than that we need to replace Bud. Regardless, Jpoole should check his blood pressure as his topic post seems rather salty.
Edit: I read it agian and really can't tell if there is sarcasm or not.
Oh shit, he was serious!?!? JPoole, if you're going to make a topic like this please ask yourself if you're overreacting. If somehow you feel the thought has validity, please support your idea with more than an ESPN headline and address obvious counter arguments such as "Bud Foster has shown the ability to consistently field a top 10 defense if he can get recruits" or "every team struggles with mobile QBs, even Bama" or "Bud has also shown success against dual threat QBs, the nost obvious example being anOSU 2014" or "Jesus Jpoole you need to check into rehab, injecting a pound of heroin into your body every hour would kill a normal person."
Please don't just poo out a thought and just post it, leaving it out to dry. It really stinks up the place.
yea it maybe crazy, iget it ...
but the one thing that has killed us so much over the last 5 years is a poor showing on mobile QBs, and long yard plays.
Houston this year is #3 rushing defense vs VT #40
Opponent Long Rushing Play 20+ yards
This year Houston 31 VT 74
VT last year #101 2014 #123 2013 #69 2012 #40
I'm not saying all of those plays over 20 yards are a running QB, but there are many in there. The one from the 3rd string Maryland QB really sticks out, or last week in the loss to GT 2nd Team QB and RB
Houston has played a different schedule so the comparison isn't apples to apples
and lots of defenses struggle with running QBs. It's not unique to VT. If it was, running QBs wouldn't be regarded as such a dangerous and sought after weapon in modern college football offensive systems
In that they have played against 2 teams Ranked in the Top 10? Both still in the Top 10. And that they won both.
And got blasted by SMU and gave up 40+ to Navy
Not to mention stat padding vs Lamar, Cincy, Texas St, Tulane and UConn.
In the end, you're comparing apples and oranges, when looking at Houston's seasaon. Yes, they have impressive W's vs OU and UL. After that Navy is the only decent team that they've played (to whom they lost). Navy, Tulsa and SMU is the only stretch of 3 games where they've faced 3 offenses that compare to any of VT's 3 game stretches. They gave up an avg of 415 yds and 38 points per game.
That gif is probably a little meaner than I intend to be, but our inability to stop a running quarterback every single time we play one isn't unique to Bud. The defense submits the 2011 Sugar Bowl as evidence contrary to your claims.
What stuck out to me from the GT game was our ST fumbling the opening kickoff, the offense having another 3 turnovers, the center trying to hike the ball out of the end zone and the defense still only giving up 30 points. With a marginally better defense, we still lose that game 23-20. With a marginally better offense, we win 34-23.
It should be noted that pretty much all of these losses to running QB's is directly tied to our offense being terrible as well. The 2013 defense was elite, we took a step back when we lost Kyle Fuller to injury, but that was a great defense. Despite what your memory might tell you. Maryland's offense with "unstoppable" CJ Brown only scored two touchdowns in regulation of that game (Will Likely ran a punt back). Another came in OT, but we went to overtime at 21-21 as our offense twiddled their thumbs for most of the game.
Same with other games. Running QB's put up huge yards on good defenses every week, either through designed runs or scrambles. But if your offense is keeping up, those teams usually need to develop a more balanced attack instead of relying on a random scramble to get first downs. The problem is that we played so many close, defensive games, that these plays became significantly more devastating. It's also not a Bud Foster problem, it's an everyone problem. Alabama struggles with them, Clemson struggles with them, LSU has struggled with them, Wisconsin has struggled with them, Ohio State has struggled with them, Michigan has struggled with them, you can name any DC and there will likely be a history scrambles for first downs and some success in the QB run game.
Denard Robinson says hi.
What a great game that we won
I'm pretty sure you are joking, and I really hope you are joking.
His comment 5 minutes prior to yours is evidence to the contrary...
Guys Fuente has lost 3 games this year, if we act fast Tom Herman can be ours
Think we missed our window... we needed to move before the 'sips lost to Kansas yesterday!
This seems a rather large jump to make. We already have one of the best defensive minds in the country - widely considered so. Seems foolish to drop him just because a team that was playing at home and was hyped for the probable Heisman winner and #5 team in the country to come to town played well. Teams sometimes excel unexpectedly, it happens all the time and rushing QBs are subject to bad games just like anyone else.
Bud isn't going anywhere unless he wants too. Nor should he.
Ummm...should we resurrect another "Hire RichRod" thread based on the subject of this thread?
LMAO! You are fast Hokie Fireman! Great reaction time!
I swear he runs some script that monitors for any references to aforementioned coach to make that gif post.
Hire Lane Kiffen!
Hilarious post aside, Todd Orlando is pretty legit. He led some very stingy defenses at Utah state a few years ago. He'll be getting a nice pay raise at a P5 team soon.
For fuck's sake.
In fairness to OP, I do believe Todd Orlando is a very good DC. He had a couple of very tough defenses when he was at Utah State and now he's doing solid things at Houston. I'm sure he'll be moving up the ranks in the coming years.
If I'm someone like Purdue who's looking for an HC, I think I'd have him on my list.
EDIT: In other words, I agree with kff17
I've seen some rumblings that Miles might end up at Purdue. My sources tell me that he is looking to hire Matt Canada and Todd Orlando because he thinks it will help put them "on the map".
You could say he wants to build a (recruiting) pipeline.
I just came here for the fireworks
You got em!
I'll take 25 years of the consistently great results over 1 game. But hey, I'm crazy like that.
I hate this thread because I agree with Smiff.
I hate to see the worst in the written word...it's hard to tell.
Normally we don't agree on many Virginia Tech football things, but you articulated my position better than I could. So thank you.
Fire Bud....and hire another DC? Sorry but....
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Sure, we can hire Houston's DC. Bud could stick him somewhere he's needed on the defensive staff. I'm sure he can be the....we have all our position coaches filled? Nevermind.
New reply: ugh
greatest show of all time. Ari's swag is unrivaled even by that of the gods. "And in case your ears are fucked, GET THE FUCK OUT!"
Hold on guys, "If we act now" is ALWAYS code for a pending "but wait! There's MORE!"
We might get 2 DC's for 3 low, low installments of $19.95 (plus s/h). AND THEN THEY DOUBLE IT!!!!
Is there a DC equivalent to this guy?
You bet your tucked in sweatshirt
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I know I am in the extreme minority, but I like it! Our defense has repeatedly sucked against running qb's, and there are only more in cfb today. Compound that with the ineffectiveness to recruit a middle linebacker that could hit the right hole has me questioning a lot of things about Bud. I'm not sure that a complete overhaul would t be a bad thing and take our lumps now.
If our offense had performed better we would be 9-1 right now.
Offensive and special teams blunders cost us at Bristol. Inconsistent offense and fumbles cost us GT.
Offense was an issue vs a very porous Syracuse D, also.
Let's not be too hasty. 11 wins still in reach.
I think Fuente will eventually be lured away,
Please no, no, no. Not two stroke producing thoughts in a single topic.
Mistake: please post under comment below, not under this comment above. Sorry, my mind is having problems handling the enormity of these catastrophes.
Todd Orlando is pretty good but I'd rather have Bud any day. I think Fuente will eventually be lured away, bud becomes head coach after putting in his due.
Alum07 is about to show up and let you have it.
Alum be like:
Maybe we should just bomb the entire thread?
Let's not count our eggs before they're poached.
This. Now this is a top tier quality shitpost my friend. I'm giggling reading all these people thinking you are serious. If there was a contest on what to say to piss off a website in a few short sentences, you win.
He is serious.
KK said shitpost and hit the nail on the head.
At no point in your rambling, incoherent post were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone on this site is now dumber for having read it. I award you no legs, and may God have mercy on your soul.
Wow.
No.
Where can I get one
if you can look yourself in the mirror after ND's first drive and say "no changes need to be made" you are a liar...
no changes need to be made.
Those were not playcall issues, they were execution errors and need to be fixed. All in all, we did what we needed against what should be a potent ND offense. Our offense stopped shooting itself in the foot just enough to win the game.
No changes need to be made.
A Power offense ranking 56 in Total Offense
Or a Power defense that put up number to the Performance ND had against Nevada.
Since when is Power middle of the Road
Average Gain Per Play ND - 6.4 yards
Syracuse defense gives up 6.4 yards a play as the 113th best defense, Speaking of Syracuse
Teams ND has beat this year
Nevada
Syracuse
Miami
Army
U just need to relax, you made a flaming hot take post and now you've just turned super defensive. Not a good look. The defensive adjustments made in the 2nd half are what makes Bud elite. Also don't discount that players have to make the plays, scheme doesn't tackle or fight through blocks.
Changes were made. We win. Anybody wanting to start running Bud out of town is just unhappy with life.
Bud Foster is no stranger to allowing opening drive scores. It turns out, if you throw a vanilla/soft scheme against a less-than-stellar offensive coach on the opening drive, they often show too many of their cards. Thus, they show you most of what you need to stop for the rest of the game.
Check out this drive chart from the last time Bud faced off against Brian Kelly:
2009 Orange Bowl
Summary-
1st Quarter
Cincinnati: TD
...
Final score 20-7, good guys
You could make a case for problems in the Notre Dame game, but you picked quite possibly the most defensible starting point of a Foster critique with "opening drive".
You're dead right. Bud has had his share of top notch defensive game plans start to finish, but one of the things that sets him apart and has allowed him to be elite for twenty years are his on the fly adjustments.
Changes did need to be made, and Bud made them. And we won. Hiring a new coach doesn't guarantee improved results and anyone who thinks so isn't paying attention.
Here's a list of DC's that have completely figured out running QBs:
Shield your eyes
UVA held GTech Sr QB to -9 yards rushing today
VT allowed GTech Soph QB 121 yards
UVA beat GT in-
1st Downs
Total Offense
Turnovers
3rd down Conversion
and
Time of Possession
And of course they still lost 31-17
Mississippi State Bulldogs Nick Fitzgerald- #3 Rushing QB- Season Avg Yards per Rush 5.85
vs LSU 1.0
vs BYU 2.56
vs Bama 1.36
At the end of the day, You're right no one figures it out, but as everyone starts running more QB draw/Mobile QB teams are adjusting. DC are working on a new approach. But yet for VT it continues to be a thorn. Which is odd when VT had Vick 15 years ago, Tyrod, Logan Thomas and Now Evans. VT has had a Mobile first QB offense identity for more than a decade and yet the defense is never ready for it
Why are you trying to piss people off on a happy day? You are cherry picking stats and scenarios to try to make a point that is ridiculous.
GT got torched by UNC and Miami. Want me to post what those teams did against VT? As much as VT struggled to slow down Duke GT did even worse. What's your point? VT murdered GT's offense last season.
Fitzgerald is great at running the ball against terrible defenses. Good teams throttled MSU this year. Mobile QBs have been a problem for Bama the last few years. They're a problem for everyone.
Except for all the times we have been. You can't start throwing stats out that support your point, yet conveniently ignore all the stats that don't. You are also not providing any analysis to go with your stats that demonstrably shows those opponents were successful due to a schematic issue, and not a failure of our players to execute our scheme as designed, which seems to be your root point. I assume you've done that analysis and will be sharing it shortly in support of your post asserting that Bud Foster should be replaced.
Or are you just talking out your ass?
If we play well, we can beat Clemson. I've watched them all year and I'm not afraid. They are very inconsistent on both sides of the ball. I don't think we're better, but no need for the hot takes I see about how they will blow us out.
I thought we played UVA next. Any you know we need to win that game or the world will end.
Obviously, but my making this statement has no effect on the UVA game. I expect us to win that game, but this team's bouts of inconsistency make me less confident than I felt earlier in the year.
Lose to UVA, should the world continue, there is no path to 10 wins (except UNC losing to NC State). Defeat the Hoos, we are guaranteed two attempts.
(OT: JMU and Citadel are the #5 and #6 ranked teams in FCS, and their only loss on the season is to UNC. So Heels SOS turned out better than it looked on paper.)
tbt
If we are going to entertain this ridiculous idea.... Charlie Strong will be available next week.
After reading this thread OP must be like
hahaha
you're kinda right but still agree with my point.
Also Not a single person has agreed to the main point, that a team site that has a Sacksburg shirt here, is not impressed by a Heisman QB being sacked 11 times. Last year VT ranked 64 out of the 128 teams in total sacks, this year is currently 40th
http://www.thekeyplay.com/comment/490334#comment-490334
Actually, he's doubling down on his position.
This entire thread sucks.
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Moving this to the correct thread:
Even if I lose my mind for a second and decide that the notion that Bud has lost his touch and VT needs to replace him, what makes you think VT can lure away the DC at UH? They have big time oil billionaires supporting the program. Their HC makes more $ that our HC. If they are going to pay him, then why wouldn't they pay the DC (even over looking horrible D performances vs the dregs of their conference)? Add to that the fact that Herman will be at a blue blood program like LSU or UT by the end of the year, taking his staff with him (keeping an OC or DC from the prior staff is basically unheard of), why would the DC even consider leaving?