Slept On It: Hokies Win 13th Straight Commonwealth Cup by Embarrassing the Hoos

Reflecting on the Hokies' blowout win over Virginia and their impending matchup with Clemson after a very good night's rest.

[Mark Umansky]

The circumstances surrounding Saturday's Commonwealth Cup between the Hoos and Hokies were notably different than in recent years. Both programs had spent the past few seasons mired in mediocrity; Virginia always the lesser of the two, viewing the annual tilt with Tech through the lens of the maligned little brother. The past two years had featured a more level playing field than usual, leading to consecutive nailbiting victories for the Hokies.

Despite offseason staff turnover for both programs, the two teams entered play this weekend on completely opposite ends of the football spectrum: UVa had not won a game since October 1st; The Hokies had been crowned the ACC Coastal champs the night before.

With the pressure relieved, the Hokies were suddenly able to take Saturday's game at face-value. The background noise was gone, no looming pressure at the first sign of distress. The Hokies came out of the gates relaxed and focused, and then proceeded to walk all over the Hoos on the way to a 52-10 win. In the end, the greatest adversity Tech faced all day was the frigid temperature.

Forgive the cliche, but the way the game played out seemed more like a videogame than reality. Frankly, it was laughable. Sam Rogers was running all over the place, Jerod Evans was carving up the UVa secondary and the Tech defense forced punt after punt. One quarter into the game and I wondered why I had bothered stressing myself out over this game. Virginia might as well have been a mid-tier FCS team.

UVa did little to help their cause. They rotated quarterbacks Matt Johns and Kurt Benkert — who have almost identical skillsets — depending on the down-and-distance; receivers struggled to haul in passes; and defenders struggled to make tackles or stay with receivers. There was little-to-no fire from the Hoos, as though the outcome was a fait accompli.

The talent drop-off in Charlottesville had been so dramatic in recent years that Bronco Mendenhall had the unenviable task of MacGyvering a middle-of-the-pack team from nothing more than two former blue-chip recruits and a Costco-sized box of paper clips. With the Hokies on the rise and the few talented Wahoo pieces heading out the door after this season, it's hard not to wonder when — if ever — the Hoos will be able to regain the cup.

The rivalry has become so lopsided in recent years that Frank Beamer lost count. During an in-game interview with the ESPN crew, Beamer was reflecting on the annual matchup when he interrupted himself saying, "the last...I don't know how many...times we beat Virginia straight." Yeesh.

In many ways, it's sad. Rivalries are part of what makes college football so wonderfully authentic. I wasn't raised (nor have I resided in adulthood) anywhere near Virginia, so my ties to the rivalry are a bit more simplistic. However, for those who grew up or live alongside Wahoos, beating them year-after-year never gets old. But I think I speak for most when I say that, over time, the postgame ecstasy has progressively been replaced by relief.

As the Hokies prepare for their sixth ACC Championship Game appearance, they will once again be under the college football microscope. Clemson will garner most of the attention in the lead-up, and rightfully so. They are on the verge of another College Football Playoff berth, sporting a talented roster led by 2015 Heisman finalist Deshaun Watson.

But Hokies everywhere know that Tech thrives when they're discounted, lying in the weeds waiting to attack at the first sign of weakness. A similar script was in-hand and playing out perfectly heading into the Battle at Bristol, but it was set ablaze on the first play of the second quarter.

That was a team still trying to work out the kinks as they adjusted to a new offensive system. Today fresh faces are more comfortable in their roles, and Tech's talented roster is considerably more seasoned after tough road trips to UNC, Pittsburgh and Notre Dame.

Heading into a conference championship game, perception matters. Facing a team like Clemson, losses to Syracuse and Georgia Tech force many to question Tech's merits. But when a division champion faces their rival to close the regular season — regardless of record — pummelling them the way the Hokies did is exactly what's expected.

"This game was a statement game to tell Clemson that we're coming," noted DE Ken Ekanem."I think we got the ball rolling and we're going to have a great week of practice with a lot of energy."

I woke up on Sunday morning and immediately started reading everything I could about the impending ACC Championship Game matchup with Clemson. The previews were not particularly kind to the Hokies. But then again, many were rather myopic. Joe Pantorno from Bleacher Report seemed wholly unaware of the Hokies' accomplishments, stating:

"However, Virginia Tech doesn't have major weapons that can take over a game. Its passing and rushing attack is ranked 42nd and 57th, respectively, in the nation, while the defense allows a respectable 22.6 points per game."

After losing to Tennessee in early September on the biggest stage in college football history, it was easy for national writers to ignore Virginia Tech the rest of the way. No sooner would Tech make noise would they then take themselves out of the equation by losing to "lesser than" teams. But to call Tech devoid of weapons is just plain lazy.

Consensus Top 5 Heisman candidate Deshaun Watson continues to reap the benefits of a third place Heisman finish last year, the Tigers' continued success after losing in last year's National Championship Game, and an uber-talented supporting cast. Yet the Hokies' Evans has thrown nine less interceptions, has a higher passer rating, and has thrown for only 600 less yards on 98 less attempts. Evans' deep ball isn't as polished as Watson's, but he is arguably a more well-rounded dual-threat than the Tigers quarterback.

Clemson's Mike Williams, Jordan Leggett and Artavis Scott get most of the attention from national pundits, but the Hokies' three-headed monster at receiver is arguably just as talented and touts matchup nightmare Bucky Hodges.

And after a full season of play, Tech is widely considered the only Coastal Division team capable of matching up with the Tigers both offensively and defensively.

Expectations have always been high for Clemson this season. Tech, on the other hand, was picked to finish fourth in the Coastal.

So forgive the Hokies for having their stumbles and celebrate what this program has accomplished in such a short period of time. Justin Fuente's roster was always far from perfect, and a lot of growth was needed this season to get where they are. That growth has manifest itself in many ways, never more evident than last week's come-from-behind road win at Notre Dame.

Beating Virginia was sweet, as always. But there is a bigger goal at stake now. Taking down Clemson and reclaiming the ACC crown would send shockwaves through the college football landscape.

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This is the most relaxed I've felt heading to an ACCCG. This time, we're not defending last year's title, seeking to avenge a regular season loss, trying to make a case for a place at the CFP, or even trying to live up to preseason hype. Pierson nailed it on the head, I'm going to watch it with a sense of "look how far we've come". No stress, just enjoying the ride.

A decade on TKP and it's been time well spent.

Amen, it will be a stresssless trip to the ACCCG. Get to enjoy seeing another football game, see Tech and Fuente get some national exposure and maybe just maybe shock the world.

Wet stuff on the red stuff.

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I like it - I feel like we have no weight on our shoulders, and personally, I think our team plays the best when that is the case. I feel this season, every time we reached a ranking and began to climb, the pressure to perform to other's expectations unnecessarily rested on the teams shoulders. There is none of that in this game - all of the pressure rests on Clemson because they are playing for the CFP. Our team is playing for each other and I like that.

^^This^^! And I can't help but think the team is going to have a similar "loose" mentality. I'm not suggesting they go into the game without expecting to compete. But in reality, there's very little to lose here. They can play loose, play wide open and not have the weight of the world on their shoulders.

Is coronavirus over yet?

And we can pull out every trick in the book because there's no real harm in pulling out all the stops in this one.

Clemson has proven themselves vulnerable this season, and they know they must win this game to have a shot at their overall goal. We're a sneaky good team that tends to get in our own heads when people expect something big from us. If they go into this one with the mindset of "lets just have fun", the upset is there for the taking.

I expect us to lose the game, but I am thinking it'll be a heck of a lot closer than the experts are giving us credit for.

"When I was growing up, Virginia Tech was a school that was kicking ass and taking names, and it's time we get back to that" - James Franklin

You will see Ford or Sam or Bucky throw a TD pass in the ACCCG.

Tweedy can run like a dadgum antelope or whatever. I like to use scalded dog. Do antelopes lumber? Cheetah, OK. He runs like a cheetah. He's fast. - Bud Foster

Porque no les tres?

I had the same thought

except in English....because I think in English

Onward and upward

¿Por qué no los tres?

Sorry, AP Spanish ruined me forever. My eye was twitching, but I'm better now.

"Exit light..."

psh look at you putting effort into your grammar and typing

I was skimming RebJanus's post and read it exactly as you just corrected it. Can't figure out if it's good or bad that I didn't notice it.

"That move was slicker than a peeled onion in a bowl of snot." -Mike Burnop

Definitely bad.

Tuve que reirme en voz alta despues de leerlo porque me aparecio como una mezcla mala del Castellano y el Frances . (Yes, I know the accent marks are missing, too old to figure out how to fix it.)

Okay, Spanish class over, I'll see myself out.

And of course: Vayan los Hokies!

VTCC '86 Delta Co., Peru Hokie, Former Naval Aviator, Former FBISA, Forever married to my VT87 girl. Go VT!

Bien hecho, compañero. Bien hecho.

This conversation is reminding me that I have to work tomorrow...

No, I *don't* want to go to the SEC. Why do you ask?

We don't love dem Hoos.

Maybe I explained it poorly, or it really is that bad. But, I kinda meant I skimmed and only read a few key words. In this case "porque," "no," and "tres." So I got the idea of what he was saying and corrected the grammar in my head without realizing I did it since all I did was skim his comment.
Either way, I'm just happy I could read your Spanish sentence.

"That move was slicker than a peeled onion in a bowl of snot." -Mike Burnop

Calling it now - Pick 6 for Settle.

A decade on TKP and it's been time well spent.

This game is essentially found money.

No stress, just enjoying the ride.

This is how I'm going to try and approach every Hokies football game from now on; no stress just enjoying the ride. Yes, sporting events as a whole can cause stress and angst when your team is struggling, or when a big game is looming. But looking back at our golden years with Frank, I didn't enjoy those times enough. I was always wishing we could have more. But those years of Frank WERE THE YEARS. It was fun to watch (although painful with Ocainspring lol), and we had a coach that every program in the country only dreams of having. Not to mention our Superman defensive coordinator. I believe Fuente is the correct choice to replace Frank. Will we be as successful as those years with the ole ball coach? I think it's a safe bet. But who knows. Let's enjoy the ride guys. We're a fun team to watch, and who knows if we'll ever be back. To all those going to Orlando, cheer extra loud for our boys, because this great season is coming to an end.

"GO BACK TO YOUR ROOM LITTLE BROTHER, THE CUP IS COMIN’ ON HOME!”

win-win situation for us.

This must be how ECU feels when they play us every year till the sun expands into the earth.

^^This x 100

Virginian by Birth, Hokie by Choice

It's kinda nice to be on the good side of that equation for a change.

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I'm going to watch it with a sense of "look how far we've come". No stress, just enjoying the ride.

That is until we're tied up going into the 4th quarter and every ounce of emotion and sanity is invested in these 18-22 year olds for the next 15 minutes.

Marshall University graduate.
Virginia Tech fanatic.
Formerly known as JWillHokieAlum.

A decade on TKP and it's been time well spent.

There's just something sweet about taking a slept on it thread about lolUVA and turning it on its head and actually making it about Clemson. This was good stuff Pierson. Even in defeat, UVA still loses!!

"The Big Ten is always using excuses to cancel games with us. First Wisconsin. Then Wisconsin. After that, Wisconsin. The subsequent cancellation with Wisconsin comes to mind too. Now Penn State. What's next? Wisconsin?" -HorseOnATreadmill

Simply put, GO HOKIES!

I live in Staunton, VA and work in Hooville. There are a lot of local fans in Staunton because loluva is local. Most of my coworkers matriculated from there, as expected.

I can tell you without reservation that winning never gets old.

When I first moved here in 1995, I heard from one guy "VT is sad. You think you're our rivals, but we don't care much. All we care about is the ACC title." Then once we got into the ACC, he took the Bill Brill stance that VT would never win, and was "a bad fit, academically."

Now? It is "wait until ____ season", where "____" is basketball, baseball, lacrosse, Zima-bonging, etc.

No. It never gets old. I like the score to be terribly lopsided in our favor. I like it to be over by halftime and send them to the exits. I like it when they change the radio station when "Enter Sandman" comes on because it brings up too many bad memories.

I like some few Hoos personally (the engineers are more rational), but not during football season. And I dearly love to beat them in any and all competitions. They still think of us as their barefoot, uncouth, hillbilly cousins.

Pass the Wild Turkey, Bubba!

In my experience their engineers are more about networking then, you know, engineering. That actually might be true for all their professions though. Perhaps that's what "prestigious" means.

What if they're network engineers?

I too have some Hoo friends, and it does get old to harass the about football, NOT. Now, with Buzz re-building the b-ball team, this 'lovin' feeling has the potential to last longer.

We have made it to the place that anything else that''s accomplished is gravy! Great feeling.

They still think of us as their barefoot, uncouth, hillbilly cousins.

AND I like it like that!

Even when you get skunked; fishing never lets you down. 🎣

Taking down Clemson and reclaiming the ACC crown would send shockwaves through the college football landscape.

I like shockwaves... well except for that Shockwave.

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In his defense he wa always a loyal LT to Megatron, he just chose the wrong side.

I can imagine no more rewarding a career. And any man who may be asked in this century what he did to make his life worthwhile, I think can respond with a good deal of pride and satisfaction:
“I served in the United States Navy"

Hail, Megatron! Hail, Cybertron!

Who could ever forget haha. Not pictured from this link is how that argument spilled over into (and destroyed) like 3 other threads that day.

Great day in Blacksburg. My LOLUVA daughter in law came by Friday evening with the grandkids. Our car was decorated for the trip on Saturday. My 6 year old granddaughter came in and told grandma and me how hideous our car looked. Of course, i know where she got the words. My in laws can pound sand.

foresthokie
US Navy Vet

I'm sorry your son made a poor life decision. I wish you patience and understanding enough to survive such a travesty.

Plenty of people see the light between 6 and 17. Just make sure to lead the Blacksburg tour for her.

A decade on TKP and it's been time well spent.

I am a bad Hokie, I started to feel pity for the hoos and was cheering whenever they had a completion at the end (in my defense I was really drunk and had a good friend killed in action on Thanksgiving so I was not in the best frame of mind). On a side note, I have come to the conclusion that it is not in Bucky's DNA to catch a ball in stride. He has to be jumping, diving, falling or some combination thereof to even attempt to make a catch...

I can imagine no more rewarding a career. And any man who may be asked in this century what he did to make his life worthwhile, I think can respond with a good deal of pride and satisfaction:
“I served in the United States Navy"

it is not in Bucky's DNA to catch a ball in stride. He has to be jumping, diving, falling or some combination thereof to even attempt to make a catch...

My brother and I were talking about this... and wow - how true. Even when he has had the opportunity to catch in stride he falls down- see his 2nd touchdown catch vs. Liberty inthe video below beginning at 50 seconds. He catches the ball fine, but decides to fall down well after the catch.

I think he is concentrating on the catch to hard, the legs are not involved, this the dive, fall, whatever. He has several catched where he had YAC, but they were sort crossing rounds, not post patterns.

I'm wondering if he has some issue with his eyes-- like a vision prescription that needs to be updated and that's affecting him...I know when I where glasses and try and play sports my depth perception and peripheral vision is all off, but with my contacts i'm fine. I would suspect he could have a like issue if the strength of the prescription isn't strong enough or an astigmatism that isn't corrected through contacts.....I made a bunch of assumptions as I don't even know if he wears contacts.

A journey of a thousand miles begins with a single step.

Bucky is not a complete receiver. He still has some work to do. That's not an appeal for him to come back next season; he'll project highly and I've come to terms with the fact that he's gone after this year. But I could see him struggle at the combine, fall on draft day, and struggle to adjust to the League. He has the measurables to be elite, but converting to receiver so late in his career, he just doesn't have that knack for adjusting to balls and catching with his hands that you absolutely have to have at the next level. And it'll be hard for him to develop that against NFL secondaries.

"I liked you guys a lot better when everybody told you you were terrible." -Justin Fuente

he catches like a tight end who is expected to just haul in the ball in the end zone or just past the 1st down marker.

Speaking of, did anyone else appreciate all the jabs hokie vision took at LOLUVa Saturday? They kept posting statistics about how we were better than them. The one in particular I remember is that Bucky took a record from Heath Miller for a TE.

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I don't think he'll go as high as many here seem to think. However I'm not sure an extra year will make much difference. I suspect he is what he is and an extra year won't make much difference.

I am not seasoned enough to know what will happen to Bucky come combine & draft days. However, I do think I know enough to confidently predict that an NFL team will pick him up and beat some better fundamental skills into him as well add some mass to him without hindering his speed (or more likely improving his speed). Then, like most TEs or FBs in the league with size, they'll use him in mostly blocking situations until he proves that he can be a reliable blocker. If he can do that, then I see them starting to pass to him, and I'm sure they'll fix his catch & fall problem. But if he can't turn in his dues with sound blocking, I don't see him faring well in the NFL.

I hope we're all wrong, though, and he blows up at the next level! Hokies in the pros!

Jordan Reed (3rd rounder) still has highly suspect blocking but is probably the second best receiving tight end in the league this year. Teams will overlook average blocking (Bucky's really not that bad) in hopes of getting the next Gronk/Reed/Graham.

Especially considering how thin the TE position is in the NFL right now.

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However Jordan Reed runs good routes, has reliable hands, and doesn't fall down after every other catch.

That is one of the big reasons why I think Bucky should stick around for his senior season. He still has a lot of learning and polishing to do as a WR.

I'm shocked that a writer from Bleacher Report didn't do his homework

Most Bleacher Report "homework" would have gotten me an honor code violation for plagiarism when I was in school.

'07 Mechanical Engineering

"Touchdown, Tech! I have never enjoyed saying that more"
-Bill Roth

Can I get a screenshot of the return of 38-0?

I know that's not the final score, but it happened again...

imgur changed the default to the page link instead of the image link. You need to go to the page and right click the picture to get the image link easily.

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Thanks! Have a leg. I had to use the browser on my phone. Couldn't figure out how to do it in the app.

yeah the app is a pain. It's set up for browsing and driving people to imgur, but not real useful for 99% of my imgur use: putting gifs on TKP.

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Actually the previous FOUR Tech / UVA games have been nail biters......not two. We were a very average team between 2012-2015

No, it absolutely never gets old beating them, but we seriously could be in a spot where the game aren't even close the next 3-5 years, minimum. They have no depth and seriously little talent coming back next year and their recruiting looks... Well it's not good. They very well could be bottom of the barrel nationally in FBS terms for the next half decade. A good rivalry needs both teams pulling their weight and lately UVa just isn't. If they don't get their shit together soon this rivalry could get extremely boring on the field. At this point, Miami and GT are more bitter rivals to us as a program than UVa can hope to be. They're better off picking up the slack from our abandoned rivalry with VMI.

"When I was growing up, Virginia Tech was a school that was kicking ass and taking names, and it's time we get back to that" - James Franklin

Nice article. You echo much of what went through my mind and made me think about the UVa rivalry from a personal point of view. When I was growing up and going to Tech we played VMI, Richmond, and William & Mary just about every year. I felt like each one of those games was as important as UVa and meant as much to the program as far as points in-state with the public, recruits and media perception. Granted I lived in podunkville and the Roanoke Times was my outlet to the world. But Bill Brill aside, UVa to me didn't seem any more important as those other schools although as a kid interested in history the Thomas Jefferson connection gave it some added allure and meant that much more to me when I got to the visit the campus and see a game. There just wasn't enough to attract me to want to attend. Sometime in the early 80's maybe we stopped playing those other guys regularly and then beat the Hoos 31 zip or something and bumper stickers appeared. That's when I started noticing the importance others attached and it wasn't just a thing that my UVa friends and I made token mentions of those few times we got together. It's always good to get a win.

"The world ain't all sunshine and rainbows. It's a very mean and nasty place and I don't care how tough you are it will beat you to your knees and keep you there permanently if you let it. " Rocky B.

It was striking how much better VT was this season. It was such a contrast to
some other games this year, where it came down to the end. Refreshing after
the past few years.

Last year's team was about 2 plays from having this yr's record. And this year's team was about 2 plays from having last yr's record.

The difference was mostly not losing the QB to injury and much of the 2 deep being a year older.

Next year will tell us more about the state of the program going forward.

Last year, there were 7 games with a one score margin. Our highest margin of victory against FBS was 27. (We beat Furman by 42.)

This year, there have only been 3 one score margins. We've had 4 margins of victory greater than 27 points (and the smallest of those was 31).

And your point is?

There's a bigger difference between these last two seasons than just two plays per game.

Yes and I actually enunciated that difference. If Evans gets injured in Game 1 and Motley is forced into duty - and those Jrs & Srs are a yr younger - those 2 or 3 plays likely go the other way. Or worse.

The real measure of this staff will come in 2017 and 2018.

Umm, we are talking about the 2016 Hokies, right? I don't think you're right, as out of our first 7 games there was only one where changing 2 plays could possibly have changed the outcome of the game, and that was the 31-17 loss to Syracuse. Our next closest game before Pitt in the 8th game was a 19-point win over Miami.

Maybe if Motley plays instead of Evans, we aren't up 14-0 against Tennessee before crashing back to Earth. Maybe we don't quite blow out BC and ECU by 49 and 37, respectively. But you'd have a hard time convincing me that we'd be any worse than 5-2 through 7 games.

First year coach with a 9-3 team coming off of several "down" years. Championship game...beware what you wish for Clemson!

"Take care of the little things and the big things will come."

UVA squandered their best chance to best us over the past two seasons. I see dark days ahead for the Hoos. Bronco is probably 1 season away from realizing all his success was predicated on a steady pipeline of 22 year old recruits who were physically developed and mentally dedicated enough to adhere to his physical scheme and bizarre coaching style. He gets neither of those things at UVA, and his players will sour quickly on his "earn it" mentality when it doesn't yield results in the win column.

I don't know what is going on in Charlottesville, but they're hanging football out to dry like Donna Shalala did at Miami. They are going to suck for a long, long time.

"I liked you guys a lot better when everybody told you you were terrible." -Justin Fuente

I don't know what is going on in Charlottesville, but they're hanging football out to dry like Donna Shalala did at Miami. They are going to suck for a long, long time.

The problem for them is not just that they're bigly sucking right now, but that they're digging themselves such an unbelievably deep hole that I'm not really sure how they're going to legitimately climb out of it anytime soon. After this recruiting cycle, they're going to be so incredibly devoid of legitimate ACC caliber talent that even if Bronco was the next Nick Saban, they're at least 3-4 years away from being able to compete. Their recruiting pipeline is completely dry as even their most loyal AAU and Thoroughbred coaches know its career suicide to send their players to such a terrible program, and all the while programs around them are legitimately building up. Once VT gets rolling to where Fuente wants it to be recruiting-wise, they're completely fucked.

This has every bit the look of what Duke football was between Spurrier and Cutcliffe. They're in the dreaded death spiral in collegiate sports that's so difficult to climb out of.

"When I was growing up, Virginia Tech was a school that was kicking ass and taking names, and it's time we get back to that" - James Franklin

And that's assuming the AAU coaches in the Chesapeake area have any interest in keeping that pipeline to UVA open. London got in tight with them off the bat. I don't see Bronco maintaining that relationship. I see Fuente as much more in tune with the culture of those programs.

Basically, UVA has brought in a coach that I don't think can recruit the 757. I honestly don't know where they go from here.

"I liked you guys a lot better when everybody told you you were terrible." -Justin Fuente

Oh yeah, absolutely. My thinking was, even for the guys who would still WANT to send kids to UVa, they know it would be career suicide in the coaching ranks to do so. Any elite kid that goes there now is a completely wasted opportunity. The average talent level across the board with that program is so far below that of the rest of the ACC that any elite talent has no chance.

"When I was growing up, Virginia Tech was a school that was kicking ass and taking names, and it's time we get back to that" - James Franklin

I will never understand why a player would pick UVA over VT for football if both are recruiting him with the same amount of effort.

UVA will soon be starting to recruit players who haven't been alive to see a UVA win over VT in football. How do you get over that hump?

VT - Come play in big games, compete for conference titles, and help us build this program into a national contender year after year.

UVA - Come help us consistently beat FCS teams and become bowl eligible!

In all seriousness, I know it's more complicated than that but how can any Power 5 talent look at UVA and think that's the place for them?

Heck, even if UVA is your only Power 5 offer, going to a mid-major conference still may be more attractive. You're at least competing there.

I don't know where UVA goes but they can only sell that "Help us rebuild this program" line so long before it gets stale.

Its not even "help us rebuild" anymore, its getting dangerously close to "help us resurrect"... Once you're there, its incredibly hard to get back.

And you're absolutely right with the ability to compete. If your offer list is UVa, Houston, Memphis, ECU, and USF, outside of going purely for academics, why would you choose UVa? Maybe the playing time might be there right away, but what good is playing time if you're routinely getting your ass handed to you on the field because the guys on your team can't carry their own weight?

Its the death spiral that teams like Duke, Kansas, Indiana, and Iowa State got trapped in long ago. Once you're in it, its near impossible to fully climb out.

"When I was growing up, Virginia Tech was a school that was kicking ass and taking names, and it's time we get back to that" - James Franklin

Duke was able to do it because they hired a damn good coach and had the patience to let him slowly turn the program around through coaching up talent and slowly recruiting better.

I think the path is there for UVA to follow. I just don't think they have an AD or fan base that is willing to follow it. They still think they are a quick fix away from being good, and will not admit they need to follow the long hard to road to get to a consistent .500. They need to focus on getting to where they can consistently be the second best team in Virginia before they worry about winning in the ACC.

Sometimes we live no particular way but our own

As long as Craig Littlepaige and Jon Oliver are at LOLUVA, the football team will only be there to generate a little cash for basketball.

Take the shortest route to the ball and arrive in bad humor.

You mean the third best team in Virginia. Right now ODU would absolutely destroy LOLUVA.

What I was trying to say is until they admit they need to focus on doing what it takes to become the second best team in Virginia instead of trying to find the one hire/recruit that will make them the best, they will continue to fall as a program. I never said they could beat W&M, Richmond or ODU now, I said they need to start building a team that can beat them every year as a first step (implied) to making the rivalry more competitive and their program more relevant.

Sometimes we live no particular way but our own

Actually, no better than 4th, if you go based on what happened this year...

"When I was growing up, Virginia Tech was a school that was kicking ass and taking names, and it's time we get back to that" - James Franklin

5th...VT, ODU, JMU, UR, UVA

"look at this...this is beautiful, these people are losing their minds" -Mike Patrick

Hell, I'd even expect the kangaroos there at VMI to pull off a win against the Wah's.

A decade on TKP and it's been time well spent.

UVA - Come help us beat FCS teams

Fail.

UVA - Come help us consistently beat FCS teams

Fail.

UVA - become bowl eligible!

Fail.

UVA - Come help us consistently beat FCS teams and become bowl eligible!

Um, Richmond would like a word...

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So would William and Mary. It's why I said consistently.

UVA - Come help us start to consistently beat FCS teams and almost maybe become bowl eligible!

FTFY

No, I *don't* want to go to the SEC. Why do you ask?

We don't love dem Hoos.

UVA - Come help us start to consistently beat FCS teams and almost maybe become bowl eligible?

The question mark seems appropriate as well.

UVA - all you need to do to get playing time is to buy into our culture.
or
UVA - If getting into an almost Ivy League grad school is more important to you than football.

If they keep trying to recruit on the promise of winning anything in football they are going to have a hard time finding recruits who qualify for admissions.

Sometimes we live no particular way but our own

The problem for them is not just that they're bigly sucking right now, but that they're digging themselves such an unbelievably deep hole that I'm not really sure how they're going to legitimately climb out of it anytime soon

This is the point Buzz made when he came in and was asked about the difficulty of rebuilding hoops... That there are so many ahead of us that are working to get better themselves that we have to get leaps and bounds better to see any results. This seriously looks like a hopeless program.

'Its easy to grin, when your ship comes in, and you've got the stock market beat,
but the man worthwhile, is the man who can smile, when his shorts are too tight in the seat'

I'm all for sending some shockwaves, anyone else?

HTHokie93

Great victory on Saturday and never gets old beating LOLUVA. When Bronco was hired, I told all my football buddies that he won't make it three years and he will be the one that leaves. He is just not the right fit for that university, which is good for us.

As far as Clemson, you better bring your "A" game because if you played liked you did against NCS, you will leave with a major butt-kicking. Go Hokies and start the bus up for Orlando!

Trolling Le Scissors, found this classic

3 of our last four coaches: sailor, cop, and motorcycle enthusiast.....
... if you put Al in the construction worker uniform, it's almost like we've been coached by the Village People that last 30+ years.

'Its easy to grin, when your ship comes in, and you've got the stock market beat,
but the man worthwhile, is the man who can smile, when his shorts are too tight in the seat'

Can we get T-Shirts made of this quote? Pretty please!

-Semper Primus

I dont know if in a hole describes the state of their program. It has been mismanaged for quite a while, following ML with CBM was disastrous. ML was very well liked by his players, bringing in a total opposite personality, and ideology can be disastrous.

It is going to take him a very long time to get recruiting under control, and he is no longer going to have the luxury the BYU afforded him, i say the because he had a pick of students. They came to him vs him having to go to them. And as said above a 22 year old man that just returned from a missions trip is going to be mich more receptive to his style than a 18 year old kid from the 757

Honestly, at this point, I think the only reason UVA keeps their football program around is so their sports medicine program can have some practical exercises.

Still feel like this

and this today!

I love beating UVA every year but it certainly looks like it is going to get ugly for them for the next several seasons. It's fun to watch us rack up the points but I don't know that it improves our team.

Hypothetical.... Would you all trade the UVA game to play a better team each year? Say Clemson?

You will see this game, this upset and this sign next on ESPN Sportscenter. Virginia Tech 31 Miami 7

His decision was made after a phone call with longtime Virginia Tech assistant coach Bud Foster. All Foster told him was, "We win. They don't."

Hypothetical.... Would you all trade the UVA game to play a better team each year? Say Clemson Richmond?

Fixed it

"When I was growing up, Virginia Tech was a school that was kicking ass and taking names, and it's time we get back to that" - James Franklin

No, because then every Hoo, noticing they don't have to play VT anymore, will immediately start thinking the next year will be their championship year.

Honestly, as much as I'd hate requiring that UVa win 5 games before playing VT each year, I'd love for VT to always be the team denying them a post-season. And that might be enough wins for their AD to hang on to Bronco for longer than they should, much like Groh and London!

Nope.

Hoo tears are one of life's little pleasures.

No, I *don't* want to go to the SEC. Why do you ask?

We don't love dem Hoos.

Don't you mean "BIG" pleasures?

VTCC '86 Delta Co., Peru Hokie, Former Naval Aviator, Former FBISA, Forever married to my VT87 girl. Go VT!

LOLUVA: The best justification for going to a relegation system in college football.

Take the shortest route to the ball and arrive in bad humor.

At this point I'd relegate UVA to standard acc fare and use the rivalry week to play Tennessee every year.

Tennessee would probably say the same about Vanderbilt, but for the opposite reason as us.

No, I *don't* want to go to the SEC. Why do you ask?

We don't love dem Hoos.

Hey, if the $EC teams get to have their late-season cupcakes, then we should, too!!!

A decade on TKP and it's been time well spent.

Hey they need those cupcakes. Fun fact, per this article on ESPN, the SEC finished 6-8 against OOC Power 5 opponents this year for a P5 worst .429 winning percentage.

I think the SEC is actually starting to feel some negative effects from Alabama's dominance. Tough to promote playing in the best conference in the country when everyone's competing to get beat by Bama in the conference title game in December. It's also just boring to watch at this point.

Say what you will about the Coastal. I know it's not the best division, but it's always entertaining.

If nothing else, I've seen plenty of writers this year see through Alabama at just how average that conference has been.

They had a down year, but their records OOC against other conferences over the last 10-15 years is dominant.

It improves our team via recruiting. Whether or not you agree with the list, they had some all-ACC caliber players that would have looked a lot better in O&M. Every year that we beat them is one more nail in their recruiting coffin. It impacts what high school players think, it affects donations and ticket/merchandise sales, makes it harder to justify facility improvements or hiring better coaches, etc. I don't want to give them even a tiny sliver of an argument to pitch to recruits, which is why I say keep the game and pound them into submission, every single year.

Maybe when the streak hits 30 or so it might be worth taking a break... but probably not!

#centuryofdominance
#allthedecadesofdominance

43 years of Notre Dame over Navy is the current all time record, so we need to get to 44, at least.

This Saturday: Swinney/Scott/Elliott vs. Bud Foster and Fuente/Cornelsen vs Venables. It's going to be one fun fight to watch!

I so badly wish I could go to the game, but after the ND trip and the ensuing bowl trip in a month, I am strapped for disposable income! Damn you, McCrory, for making the trip to the ACCCG 7 hours longer than it needed to be!!

This so much. Games in Charlotte I can either day trip or just spend a single night there. Orlando is another animal.

Chris Long just said on The Rich Eisen Show that UVA hasn't beat Tech in 10 years. Ha! You wish, bud.

He only has 10 fingers.

The LOLUVA educational system is hampered by the fact that he was wearing shoes.

Good one! I logged in just to upvote ya!

"Everyone has a plan 'till they get punched in the mouth."

in his defense, he's also not wrong. He's just an asshole

LOLUVA hasn't beaten VT in 10 years a whopping 4 times....so there's that

Onward and upward

Wow is this true?

2004-2013
2005-2014
2006-2015
2007-2016

nailed it

Onward and upward

I'm slow today apparently. Lol. I was thinking you meant we had four separate decades of dominance that didn't overlap. Thanks for the explanation.

Be patient grasshopper

Chris Long is lmaouva DA

Even when you get skunked; fishing never lets you down. 🎣

Season isn't over yet and I'm still expecting to see some great things in ACC Championship and bowl game....but I'm already thinking about what our offense could be next year if Bucky and Ford somehow stay. A long shot, but one I would give anything to see in action. I think it would be special.

Don't discount Cam Phillips! The last couple games he's made some big time plays, and that move for the TD against Notre Dame was sick. Bucky and Ford would be foolish to turn away NFL $$$.

The team has had a very successful season. As fans the best thing we can do is crack one open, sit back and introduce Cerberus to the Tigers this Saturday.

Enjoy :)

Not gonna lie, I was really, really hoping you had crudely photoshopped Cam, Bucky, and Isaiah's faces onto a Cerberus or Chimera.

As you wiiiiiiissssh.....

Seriously how did Sam Rogers not make it in here?

-Semper Primus

He's the body of Cerberus.

No, I *don't* want to go to the SEC. Why do you ask?

We don't love dem Hoos.

And Bucky is still falling down.

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-What we do is, if we need that extra push, you know what we do? -Put it up to fully dipped? -Fully dipped. Exactly. It's dork magic.

$$ decrease by about 50% with each 32 picks/1 round.

There can be good monetary reasons to stay and good monetary reasons to go. The question to be answered is whether the extra year in college (and the associated injury risk of doing so) will move someone up in the draft enough to make it worthwhile to forego that 1 yr of salary.

Based on the fact that he's been dinged up a few this season, I think Ford should go. Hodges, I feel, should stay with Cam, unless he's a top 3 round pick.

uva season is over

Even when you get skunked; fishing never lets you down. 🎣

Man...IDK if anyone watched Bronco's post game presser but it was kind of tough to watch...the man seemed to be on the brink of tears the entire 12 minutes....I really don't think he knew what he was stepping into

Onward and upward

I think he honestly believed he was a good coach with a good system. I don't think it ever entered his mind that in order for him to be successful, he has to be handed a steady crop of 22 year old recruits who will attend practice as if it was church. His thousand yard stare in the post game presser seemed like shell shock. He hasn't yet figured out that BYU made him successful, rather than the other way around. But another season of the wheels falling off and he should be about ready to do some soul searching. The only question in my mind is, does he leave on his own before he is fired.

"I liked you guys a lot better when everybody told you you were terrible." -Justin Fuente

I think Bronco is definitely having a bit of culture shock in Charlottesville. As you point out, his players are just as young as everyone else's now, he doesn't have a built-in fan base, and he is clearly starting from scratch with that program, with next year probably being worse than this year.

It became apparent to me when I heard him talk about instilling a tough, blue-collar attitude in his players. Once I heard that, I knew he was going to be fighting an uphill battle because his players are not easily bucketed into a blue collar category. That isn't to say that they don't, won't, or can't have a strong work ethic, but I think he expected to have that present when he arrived. The reality is that he's going to have to do that work entirely on his own.

That his program is currently so far behind ours in-state and well behind the rest of the conference, I think he is realizing this week exactly what this rebuild it going to take. I think he'll be successful (as much as you can be successful at LOLUVA), he won't get fired, but at the moment they have a pretty low ceiling and it will take four years to dig himself out of it.

Bronco also needs to step into modern football, you can not take an entire Sunday off from football. No post game coaches meetings, no practice, no recruiting and hope to be successful.

Wet stuff on the red stuff.

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I feel like someone told Dan Cathy something similar...

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Plenty of businesss close for Sunday or the entire weekend. When you make plenty of money the days you are open you can close other days. Do you think LOLUVA football is "making money" those othe 6 days a week to take a full day off?

Wet stuff on the red stuff.

Join us in the Key Players Club

Mmmmmmm......pie.

I only wish someone would have told fuente one more touchdown would set the record for margin of victory in the series.

Many years to come to do that! Don't want to spoil our chances of doing it for the next few years! Give us something to work for!

-Semper Primus

Man, it must really suck being Hoo football fan though. LOL! But a moment to consider how lucky we are and how worlds apart our two programs are, listen to the Hoo Huddlecast recap. Seriously, I think Bronco has lost the program after one season. Unhinged. Irreparable.

meltdown

So...did we get their best shot? At least for a few series?

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-What we do is, if we need that extra push, you know what we do? -Put it up to fully dipped? -Fully dipped. Exactly. It's dork magic.

You put those words together, those are my favorite words, Popeyes and bahama
- Mike Burnup

But I think I speak for most when I say that, over time, the postgame ecstasy has progressively been replaced by relief.

Couldn't agree with this more...heading into this game I have more anxiety than most opponents because I know how embarrassing it would be to finally lose to them again.