Editor's Note: Bumped to the front because I couldn't stop laughing. --Joe
Hello. Welcome to the second installment of "Foe"Rensics. Acceding to the demands of my legions of fans (and to the fact that last week we played one of the most famous teams in college football that we've spent the last eight months talking about and this week we're playing a college no one has ever heard of that used to be a high school) I've decided to deepen my research past Wikipedia (and my imagination) in an attempt to include "facts". Please note, there may be places where I've stretched the truth a bit. This week, our journey of discovery takes us to Cullowhee, home of Western Carolina University.

Remind anyone of anywhere? Aw, it's like a lil mini version of Blacksburg. Without the Fullers, of course.
1. So, the Fullers were pretty awesome on Saturday, along with the rest of the defense and the first Edmunds brother. Who we got next...Western Carolina? Who are they?
A. Glad you asked. Western Carolina's team is known as the Catamounts. I cant really go into detail about what that mascot means on a family website, but here's the general idea:
And their mascot's name is Paws, which is...I don't even...
2. That's disturbing. Is Western Carolina located in North or South Carolina, so I can avoid the entire state?
A. Interestingly enough, it is technically located in Tennessee. In an 1851 poker game, Buck Duke (founder of the Philip Morris tobacco company and the University of North Carolina system), was up big against President Andrew Jackson. He held a full house and had pushed Jackson to throw the White House into the pot. In order to match it, Duke was forced to place the deed to a large tract of land southwest of Asheville on the table. Unfortunately for him, Jackson was holding a straight flush. Jackson renamed the area Jackson County (after himself) and, upon his death, subsequently ceded governance of the area to the state of Tennessee. Andrew Jackson, Jr founded the University and named it Western Carolina to taunt Buck Dukes descendents into insanity, which is totally still working today.
3. Excellent, a school founded on spite. Any other interesting facts about Western Carolina?
A. Yes! They were originally founded in 1891 as a way to bring higher education to the mountains of far western North Carolina...ahem, Tennessee. This being Appalachia means that, of course, it was founded as a High School. You think I'm joking here, which is the funny part. Later they evolved into a Junior College and finally, in 1929 it became a four year institution.
4. Do they have anything awesome they are known for, like horses on treadmills or a Smart Road that talks to you like Kit Car?
A. Well, they are currently hard at work on their Millenial Initiative, which is a critical program to defuse the pending Y2K disaster.
5. I'm assuming they have a football team, as well?
A. Yes!
6. Good! Any tidbits about them?
A. Well, their schedule this year includes Mars Hill University, which is a bitchin name for a school. Mars Hill was, incidentally, the victim of a season opening 42-14 BEATDOWN last year at the hands of the Catamo...Western Carolina.
7. Oh damn, so we're playing a good FCS school?
A. Let's not get ahead of ourselves. WCU went on to drop the next 10 games last year, giving up on average over 40 points per game. If Logan Thomas didn't enjoy An Evening with Kirby Smart on Saturday, this should come as a welcome stat-padder (let us pray). In fact, Mars Hill is the only team they've beaten (which they've done twice) since 2010, when they beat the Citadel 24-31 and CURB STOMPED Tusculum, which I think is a kind of foot powder.
They have continued their tradition of defensive non-excellence this year by dropping their opener 45-24 to a middling Middle Tennessee State (see what I did there?). The Blue Raiders were last seen in December getting whomped 45-0 by Arkansas State. In conclusion, their credentials are somewhat lacking.
8. So why were they terrible last year?
A. Well, 2012 was the first year for head coach Mark Speir (pronounced Jav--lin), who arrived from Appalachian State. Speir has spent his career mostly at the FCS level and was the recruiting coordinator at App State leading up to and through their three national titles in 2005-07, so he should probably be afforded the time to flex his clearly demonstrated talent at convincing elite high school athletes to spend their college years in rural, mountainous North Carolina. He was also FCS Assistant Coach of the Year in 2009, so he carries an aura of a somewhat competent coach.
9. Anything else about Coach Speir?
A. Well, he went to Clemson, so you should dislike him.
HOWEVER, he did not play football there, so temper your dislike somewhat.
On the other hand, he WAS a student assistant coach while Clemson was winning ACC titles that should RIGHTFULLY HAVE BEEN OURS1, so he can just fuck right off.
Well, but...he was at App State when they knocked off Michigan and DANNY COALE CAUGHT THAT DAMN BALL, so GIVE EM HELL COACH SPEIR!
That last answer comes with free Frogurt.
10. Anything else we should know about Coach Speir?
A. You can learn more about Coach Speir from his appearances on Cat Chat, a dating site for pet hoarders.
11. Do they have any players with cool names?
A. Actually, yes. They have a Coleman, a Parker, a Tanner, and a Chandler, who together run a Medieval Guild Society in the offseason. After graduation, the Guild is looking to combine those dudes with the four Tylers and three (THREE) Calebs on their roster to start a relatively affluent suburb.
12. Great fires of London, that's a lot of Calebs. But do they have any Fullers?
A. Sadly (for them), they have exactly NO Fullers on their roster, which means they have nothing to counter either Kyle OR Kendall with. Sorry, Calebs.
13. Do they have any good rivalries?
A. They battle annually with Eastern Tennessee State for the right to be called "Tennessee's Eastern-most University." Unfortunately for ESPN3, this battle is contested only in courtrooms that do not allow cameras2.
14. That's awful.
A. Yes, and incredibly boring. Luckily for them, they ALSO have a rivalry with the aforementioned Appalachian State with whom they battle for the Old Mountain Jug, which is, to be honest, THE most Appalachian prize imaginable3. UNFORTUNATELY for them, App State is good at football and the series is more lopsided (particularly recently) than Virginia Tech's is with UVA. App State has taken the last 8 (not QUITE a decade of dominance) and 26 of the last 28 since 1985. Sadly (for App State's overall record) the rivalry will likely be retired when App State moves to the Sun Belt after this year.

At which point The Jug will likely be stolen from App State trophy case by this guy who will use it for its intended purpose4.
15. So if I were to venture to Cullowhee (which I totally won't because of that rabbit, but IF I DID), where should I eat?
A. I'm glad you asked! A new feature on "Foe"Rensics will be our two part restaurant recommendations. Despite my never having been to Cullowhee and the fact that this is a home game meaning none of you are actually going anywhere near there, I thought of this idea this week and therefore am starting it now before I forget.
Disappointly, there are no Zagat rated restaurants in Cullowhee. Resorting to Google Reviews, the best restaurant in town appears to be the Mad Batter Bakeshop and Cafe, which received this glowing review from "A Google User":
"Nice folks. Great cookies. Free WIFI. Nice place to pass the time while the daughter looks at WCU."
My only question is...THE daughter? Which daughter? The Farmer's daughter? The First Daughter? YOUR daughter? I think it's pretty clear by your lack of strong written communication skills that if we're talking about YOUR daughter, she's just not Western Carolina material.

I think it's safe to say that Katie is Western Carolina material.
16. Okay, I'll write that one down. You said it was a two part restaurant recommendation?
A. Yes! The second part is barbecue. As you all know, barbecue is the most important food in the world and, conveniently, North Carolina is where barbecue went to be perfected5. Unfortunately, it doesn't appear that Cullowhee has an establishment that even SERVES barbecue which means those damn Tennesseeans can keep their stupid university town. You have to drive all the way to Dillsboro to go to the The Dillsboro Smokehouse, which is kind of fun because you get to say Dillsboro. Since I've never eaten there, I can't comment on the quality of this establishment beyond saying that since this is in Western NC, they probably pollute their vinegar sauce by putting ketchup in it and therefore worship the devil6.
17. Back to the Hokies. LOGAN THOMAS COUNTDOWN TO FIVE INTERCEPTIONS:
A. Logan currently stands at one interception for the year, and one that totally shouldn't count against him but rules is rules. This means he still has 11 (or 12, or 13) games to throw his remaining four.
18. Final thoughtswhat should we watch for in the game?
A. Well, assuming (and hoping) that rabbit doesn't show up to torment Paws, here's what I'm watching for:
- The Fullers to victimize QB Troy Mitchell (or Eddie Sullivan, if he starts) for 7 INTs, 5 of which they return for touchdowns before being pulled after the game gets out of hand with 5:00 min remaining in the first quarter.
- How well the Calebs, offensively, can deal with rage. Just...rage, everywhere.
- For the commentators to trot out jokes about pulling fans from the stands to throw on the field in the 4th quarter.
- If the Calebs have that Y2K thing licked yet.
- If Frank is going to make Logan wear his pads out of the locker room after half time.
- If Coach Moorehead's Amazon order for a 5 gallon tub of Stick Em has come in yet.
Thanks for joining us and for your informed and inquisitive questions. Look forward to seeing you here next week when we battle the Vinegar Sauce region of the state, Eastern Carolina.
1Since these were won in the late 1980s, Virginia Tech wasn't TECHNICALLY in the ACC yet, but Bud has never let some bullshit rules stop him from dominating.
2This is not true.
3Only when it is filled with moonshine.
4Still moonshine.
5By North Carolina, I OF COURSE mean Eastern North Carolina where the satanic tomatoes are kept AWAY from our sauce.
6#TEAMVINEGARSAUCE

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I always preferred Memphis-style barbecue, myself.
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
1. All for #TEAMVINEGARSAUSE here.
2. Tusculum is a foot powder?....I thought I had my Tusculum removed in the 1990's....hmmm ...gotta check with my doctor, I think.
3. In the battle for Tennessee's eastern-most U, has ETSU lost since they don't have a football team? (again?...yet?...whatever)
4. Where do I pick up my free Frogurt?
this is quickly becoming one of my favorite features of the site. looking forward to the rest of the season.
i'm actually from north carolina (hangs head in shame) but i like tomato based.
Thanks!
No shame, tomato based is the Lexington style. My family is mostly around Wilmington, so I'm vinegar by default. My wife openly flaunts her preference for tomato based, which will likely lead to divorce or the untimely death of one or both of us.
Lexington style is where it's at. Also we serve the awesome vinegar-based slaw with our barbeque, and not the wussy? mayonnaise-based slaw.
two of my friends from virginia came with me to cackalack for a concert a while back and we stopped at a bbq place in my hometown (statesville). they both ordered bbq sandwiches and were aghast that the slaw was on the sandwich. one of them was like, "they should tell you they're gonna do that." i just laughed my ass at them.
A barbeque sandwich without slaw on the sandwich has no soul and is doomed to wander the earth in eternal sorrow.
Sorry but downvote for use of "gay" to describe a negative feeling
but can we use it in the old meaning fun and enjoyable? because in that case tkp is extremely gay.
Super gay even.
I don't know who she is, but I like that she thinks I'm naughty.
Side note, it is easy to call someone out for using language we don't think is appropriate, but they can edit their post.
That's Kristen Bell and I'd gladly have her scold me almost all the time.
Except when we're on defense.
She should be yelling then.
Mmm... Sarah Marshall...
I defy anyone to mention "dry rub" after this picture.
it would appear that ms bell is a member of the itty bitty titty committee.
downvote me! my giggle was worth it!
And that appears to be a wonderful committee
She such a babe. Hit and Run (Dax Sheppard included) was so lame but it became midly entertaining just because she's so hot. I would catamount her.
Was I down voted for my homophobic slur, or my barbeque choice?
I can take back the use of the word gay, but I can't disavow my allegiance to Lexington style barbeque.
I don't think a lot of people on this site understand the whole down voting thing....I was down voted last night just because I said "cheerleading isn't a sport in my book". Which is my personal opinion but yeah
got my first two -2 for that comment. I guess if people don't like your comment they just automatically down vote...kinda like if facebook had a dislike button.
Don't sweat the occasional downvote Amber, they come with the territory when you choose to make your opinions known. I consider my few as badges of honor for being willing to fly off the handle a bit and suffer the correction of my more even-handed Hokie friends. BTW, cheerleading was never meant to be a sport, but it has evolved that way since we Americans are just so dang competitive. It's a lot more athletic than some other "sports" that have found their way into the Olympics, but since its almost uniquely American, doubt there will ever be a gold medal for those cheerleading athletes. More than you probably wanted to know...Go Hokies!
Yeah, we have a bunch of new folks on the site since the season started. I'm noticing more trolling/language/downvoting than we even had over the summer. Don't sweat it, Ap, if I see you downvoted for something normal I'll balance you out. HorseOnASeesaw
Agreed. I only downvote for offensive posts but not for opinions. Also, I even out people when I think they were downvoted for opinion.
I've never tried this, but can you upvote something you've already downvoted? I noticed someone used the word 'gay' in a negative manner and a comment was posted on it, then the original poster edited the post to change the word. If I downvote someone for something like that, then they repent, can I balance it out with an upvote?
No, hopefully Joe has that on his to-do list. It would help with fat-fingering (ha. ha.) too
It was on his list before, don't think he's gotten to it yet.
Agreed. Lots of new folks....and most seem to be of the younger generation...
I just looked at the picture of Katie Holmes. Was there anything else I was supposed to read?
Um...no, not really.
I love these Foerensics articles. Well in, FifthFuller
This was fantastic. I look forward to ECU's
I live here in Greenville, NC and I look forward to throwing in some of my insight in to the area on the site next week. I've been here for the last 12 years, minus a 4 yr stint in Chapel Hill. Hope to see a lot of Hokies in the area Saturday the 14th!
I swear, if B's Barbecue doesn't make it on Foe-rensics next week (THEY NAMED THE DANG ROAD AFTER IT!!!) I'm gonna flip my cubicle.
This^.
I have sat on a stump outside of B's with barbecue sauce running down my face and bits of slaw on my work shirt and wondered if I had somehow died and the inner sanctum of heaven had opened up to me.
This post:
I'm so happy this gif doesn't have sound.
at least its not a picture of miley...some people get downvoted for things like that...sigh...
Anyone else having trouble seeing the rabbit-cat porn (or at least what I think what it may be)?
The uploader disabled embedding because they hate America. Just click on the link to view on YouTube.
Thanks....I think.
So I got super pissed when I read this since they ruined my everything, but then realized they probably disabled it so it wouldn't be used for EXACTLY THIS REASON.
I don't think there will be 7 ints. I think after 3, they go to a straight run game. After the 4th fumble recovered for a touchdown, they throw in the towel.
And then the towel is intercepted too.
This is absolutely incredible and you MUST write one of these for every game. I am ded.
Also as a former resident of the state of Tennessee: yes.
This is terrific. I really enjoy this segment. You should really consider getting a job writing for the sports section of TheOnion.com
I celebrate all barbeque styles.
I'm hesitant to admit this, but I despise ketchup and use Sweet Baby Rays instead, though I do not use it on my barbecue. Regardless, I feel like if the authorities were alerted to this they would confiscate my smoker. I'm sorry, but THE SAUCE IS THE BOSS.
Indeed. I don't make my own sauce. Sweet Baby Ray's FTW. The sauce IS the boss.
whoever keeps downvoting sweet baby rays needs to get with the program.
THE SAUCE IS THE BOSS!!! I will personally up vote any Sweet Baby Rays down vote.
Pro tip: Costco sells that sweet heavenly manna by the gallon.
People have been going hard on the downvote key a lot lately. I was only a little frustrated with it but downvoting Sweet Baby Rays really ground my gears. They probably hate maroon pants too.
try garlic hot sauce on fries, it's pretty amazing.
1. I too hate ketchup: the devil's sauce. Why use ketchup when there's hot sauce?
2. I recently found Sweet Baby Ray's in a grocery store in Hallstahammar, Sweden. Hallstahammar is about the size of Pulaski - if you've made it there it's safe to say you're everywhere at that point.
This is incredible.
Cullowhee is like a mini-Blacksburg... except that it is about 1100 miles from anything resembling civilization.
I know I'm risking turkey legs on this one, but I think vinegar barbecue sauce is incredibly overrated/not that great. I like a thick sauce if I'm using any, but my personal favorite method of seasoning is a dry rub. Keep your sauce, I'll take my deliciously flavored meat straight up
Umm...
Don't deny his pussy touchdowns.
Oh my
Best. use. EVER.
I think, to be fair, we need to start distinguishing the barbecue we're talking about.
For ribs: Yes, I'm 100% on board with dry rub. Sauce is not only unnecessary, it detracts.
For pulled/chopped pork: Unless you're making it at home, the BBQ joint is probably putting some finishing sauce on that ish. For me, anything other than vinegar sauce is soul destroying.
To be fair, at least the board is consistent. If we get any Texans in here insisting that you make barbecue from a cow, I will BURN THIS PLACE TO THE GROUND.
Hear, hear! Total agreement!
To add to that...if there is anyone here that uses the word barbeque as a verb, or an event...see Fifth Fuller above.
I do miss that NC BBQ!
They've got BBQ joints all around Houston, but I haven't found one with a vinegar sauce on pulled pork yet.
Personally I don't like mopping on any BBQ sauce at the end HOWEVER I have like 15 different BBQ sauces in my refrigerator because I do like to pair them on the side depending on which flavor profile I go with. I have been going with a bit more kosher salt in my dry rub than normal and pairing them with a sweet BBQ sauce on the side.
After my wife has a bite and her eyes roll back in sheer ecstasy I just watch on like

Having worked at a barbecue restaurant as my first job ever in life, I have to say that Carolina vinegar-based sauce wins, but I actually mix it with something tomato-based like Sweet Baby Ray's as well. Everyone sides on either the Virginia side or Carolina side, but mixing is the perfect combo.
I may have to try that...
Going to rock the boat here a bit, but Tri-tip (I know it's beef, but it is amazing) and on the rare occassion that someone actually cooks it right brisket isn't bad (not quite what the silly Texans believe about their cut).
Dry rub for ribs: The Santa Maria style tri-tip seasoning is amazing on ribs!
Vinegar is the only way for pulled pork (if anyone has a recipe I might give away one of my kids as everyone back home with the recipe guards it tighter than Fort Knox)
First, my 12 year old mind got a kick outta this statement. Second I completely agree with you on the dry rubs. WAY more flavor than any sauce
This is the best post since all the MascotMock posts combined. Gotta love, respectfully, poking fun at others.
#teamlexingtonQandSlaw
I like all bbq, well maybe not the sakerlina mustard base, bama white sauce or whatever that shit pierce's on 64 makes.
I smoke with a heavy rub w/a Lexington sauce that uses unfiltered apple juice instead of water.
red vinegar slaw is life changing.
anyway, this was well done. my hats off to you.
I don't care to dispute linguistics because that stuff is unique to each region and that's good and well, but cook up some tasty meat and I'm going to devour it. Vinegar, tomato, sweet, spicy, smokey, mustard-y..... yes please.
This! (Edit: I live in a land w/out BBQ. Carne asada is my only restaurant option)
Red Vinegar slaw on a hotdog w/ toasted bun is heaven wrapped in wax paper.
i picture bco's life as traveling our fair land in the fall sporting an epic beard, eating kick ass food, drinking kick ass beer, and going to kick ass college football games. i applaud you sir.
i thank you, i do alright, but married life reigns me in some. i need to drop 10lbs, gonna have to wait til jan.
This sounds like a TV show...
I'm interested to see what happens when "foe"rensics gets into ACC schedule...I can't wait to hear more about GT and the rambling wreck
Oh, you best believe Paul Johnson's ass is grass when the day comes.
After he calls a timeout, of course....
Actually, the best BBQ I ever had was in Olympia, Wa
http://www.ranchhousebbq.com/
One of the funniest posts I have ever read. Given the Fuller lineage, I should have expected nothing less from the Fifth Fuller. Well done, sir.
Excellent Read.
In terms of bbq sauce (and we're talking American BBQ), I go for no sauce or a vinegar heavy, not too sweet sauce. Most commercial sauces, and especially baby rays, are simply syrup with vinegar and tomatoes. It's not too hard to make your own, plus you can experiment with flavors. I have found chili-basil BBQ sauce to be absolutely delicious.
And yes, BBQ can be an event. However, one cannot serve any hamburgers or hotdogs at such event (This is called a cook out or grill out). If American, the event must serve slow smoked meat. Brazilian BBQ is damn good too.
Quite a BBQ sauce discussion going on here...It would be fun if someone started a BBQ reciepe sharing thread...Great read. I enjoyed the Stick'em reference but is 5 gallons going to be enough? Seems like we need to cover the receivers with it! #Sacrasm
#Sacrasm??....I hope that's a misspelling, not something that I'll hear about on a Jeff Rosen report on Dateline.
"Coach, ain't this stuff illegal?"
"What are they going to do? Put you in football jail?"
Has anybody else played snake with the video at the top of this post? If you press the down arrow during the load screen it turns into a game of snake....never knew that..
Go to google maps and search for walking directions from the shire to mordor. You'll find an entertaining warning. Also try searching "zerg rush" in the google search engine. The things that happen while you work over the summer. Good times.
Also type "do a barrel roll" in to google
heard of this one before..and "askew"
also if you use matlab there are a bunch of easter eggs...I remember one with toilet but I don't remember the exact code...few years ago now
Or on your smartphone, type "tilt." Or try "binary" and see the number of results that are returned. And of course, the classic Kevin Bacon number by searching "Bacon number "
That's right! I forgot about that one!
Damn you wonderfully awesome Hokie people as a new TKP'er this post and all your comments are making it impossible for me to get any work done!
1. Please add news and weather to the site so I can eliminate all my other "growed-up" favorites of the interwebs on my Google-box.
2. Reminding me of Tailgate Fever porn with this esoteric style, kudos muthafuckas.
3. Where in the HAYELL is the mascot mock?! BillDozer? And could we have a "Mascot Mock Through The Years" compilation page for nostalgia sake?
4. Barbecue: Pierce's Pit-Cooked. That is all, bitches...
Easy on the sauce there brother Hokie. (Did you see what I did there, triple entendre)
Box handles the Mascot Mock. I think he stopped doing it since we tend to play the same teams every year. Might be good to have for just non-conf teams for variety though.
This was fantastic.
also, why doesn't someone just start a barbecue sauce thread in the off topic?
First time poster, long time troller. Lover of all things #goacc
Cullowhee is a small quaint town, which Appalachian State frucking owns. Being that it's an hour from Clemson, I enjoyed going up to watch my fathers Mountaineers (the only damn Mountaineers there are, or will ever be) torture those poor poor souls each and every year. As for things to do in Cullowhee, you can go watch a college remake of CATS. Yeah thats about it, that and baseball. They're pretty decent at baseball.
Though I'll give credit where credit is due, Cullowhee is right next to Sylva, the main town in the county, and that town is awesome. They have a couple dive joints with great food, and awesome pizza restaurant that last I was there (2008) served awesome microbrews, and a waffle house with the most entertaining wait staff. Seriously. I remember being mesmerized by one of the cooks there, but can't remember a dang reason why.
As for VT claiming past ACC titles, that's fine with me, but you'll never get one from Danny Ford. Not out of his living, godly, warm, pure american hands. And even once the good lord decides to have a drinking buddy up stairs, you'll never rest them away from this Clemson fan.
In general, good barbecue is like good steak; both can only be found at specialty restaurants.
"Foe"-rensics is absolutely brilliant. I've been referencing bits and pieces of historical hyperbole about Western Carolina all week.
God I wish these posts were around back when we played good ol App. State.
HOT HOT HOT!!
Did you know that the Western Carolina was once named The Teachers before changing their nickname to Catamounts?
Excellent read. Definitely agree with you on the barbecue front. Also Sharkeys now sells turkey legs $7.95.and comes with a side. So that's new.