Buzzketball Rolls Charleston Southern 87-59

Despite another slow start, the Hokies pull away from the Buccaneers behind Ahmed Hill's 20 points and Chris Clarke's double-double.

[Mark Umansky]

ESPNU runs a fun little segment during halftime of many of their games called "the Little Experts." The premise is to get a team of three children to interview basketball coaches and players, and let hilarity ensue.

Apparently these children got more than they bargained for when Virginia Tech men's basketball coach Buzz Williams came calling.

The clip starts innocently enough, with Buzz explaining what a Hokie is to the trio of tykes. But it ends with him scolding one of the kids' posture, telling him to act mature (and not like a six-year-old) because they're all on TV.

It's a fun, light hearted clip (for everyone except Paxton, that is. Poor kid never saw the life lesson coming.) But it also perfectly sums up the way Williams and his team approached their 87-59 win over Charleston Southern.

The Hokies are ready for ACC play. You could see it in their win against the Citadel, you could see it as they beat the Buccaneers on Tuesday night, and you're sure to see it against UMBC next Wednesday. The crowds are dead, the squad is bored, and doing their best to take care of business against overmatched opponents.

But if there's any coach in the conference who won't let his guys sleepwalk through a mid-major matchup, it's Williams. And just like Buzz telling the unsuspecting child to straighten up, he refused to allow any tomfoolery while the Hokies were on national television.

Tech didn't play well. They shot poorly from three, turned it over too much, and committed a plethora of bad fouls. But like top-25 worthy groups tend to do, they work around their issues and end up squeezing the life from their opponent.

The Hokies took advantage of whistle-happy referees and got to the line with ease. Chris Clarke continued his torrid pace with a double-double (17 points and 11 rebounds), Zach LeDay and Seth Allen provided their standard contributions off the bench, and Ahmed Hill wrecked havoc making his way into the lane.

This is yet another performance that reminds how far the program's come over the last three seasons. The lead was just 12 midway through the second half, and could easily have been tighter. Instead of panicking or pressing, Tech continued to push forward. They outscored the Buccaneers 28-14 over the last 10 minutes of play, and ended with a blowout victory.

"I've got to figure out how to help them get back to us quicker," Williams said after the game. "Because we're not going to be able to absorb these stretches.

"Like the last two games, how we've started has been abysmal. We've had three turnovers prior to the first media timeout in the last two games. Like I told them at the first media timeout, maybe we need to change who we start because, we keep up with the ATO scores, and we're losing, we're losing that first ATO score and we're not, going forward, going to be able to absorb that."

Up next, Buzz's bunch has one final tuneup before ACC play begins, as they welcome University of Maryland Baltimore County to Cassell Coliseum next Wednesday the 28th. After that? A bit tougher of a challenge, as they host Duke on New Year's Eve.

A Few Quick Thoughts

Clarke and Hill are a fantastic forward pairing. They're often the fastest two players on the court, push in transition, and crash the glass like guys four-to-five inches taller than them. We all know size is a team problem (see: the Texas A&M loss), but as long as the two sophomores bring the energy whenever they're on floor they pose unique challenges to any defender.

They're also each fantastic examples of Buzz's most underrated quality as a coach: taking a good player and making him even better.

We could talk for days about the transformation Zach LeDay's made since his days at South Florida, but throughout his career Buzz has made a habit of taking his most talented players even better. At Marquette, his two marquee NBA players were now-Chicago Bulls guard Jimmy Butler and current Boston Celtics forward Jae Crowder.

Both came to Milwaukee by way of junior college, which makes for a nice story, but they're not both professionals because of their background. Williams took two guys with a ton of talent and pulled even more out of them.

Two years ago Hill was an unhinged mess. He routinely played too fast, lost his handle in transition, and badly bricked jump shots (no matter how open they were). Now? He's a perfect three-and-D wing who hits 47 percent of his threes and can ice a game at the free throw line.

Clarke had many moments in 2015-16 showing why he was the top basketball recruit in the state. He also missed a huge chunk of conference play and was often the rawest player on the court when he made it back. This year he's been unleashed as a do-it-all weapon on both ends. He runs the baseline and picks off passes on defense, and often initiates the offense from the wing (that is when he's not throwing down dunks off his steals).

"I think he plays with such poise with the ball in his hand but, at like the fastest rate you can imagine," Williams said. "There were multiple times in the second half tonight, when he's zooming it past me and I'm like, 'Man. That was (the right on-court decision).' But I didn't see it, you know."

The transformation of the two youngsters has been borderline staggering, and it'll be fascinating to watch the pair grow together as competition increases over the ACC schedule.

Comments

I love Chris Clarke. He moves with such grace. He is a consummate team player and often passed on wide open threes. He knows his place as do all players on this team. It would be easy for Seth and Zack to mope because they are not starting. They have embraced their roll of coming off the bench and wreaking havoc.

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Chris Clarke is my favorite player on Buzz's squad. I saw him and Johnny Hamilton (I think) walking through the concessions area during an intermission at the Liberty game this year. I had had a couple of libations that morning so as I walked by Chris I said, "I love you guys" and I tapped him on the shoulder. Pretty much all I could muster due to the awe factor. Chris responds without skipping a beat, "We love you too" tapping me on shoulder. Dude seems very down to Earth and appreciative of the fans.

Just to show how great of guys Greg Donlon, Chris Clarke, Kerry Blackshear and them are! My girlfriend got them to do this for me on my birthday, she said they were more than happy to do it.

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And in Buzz's system, I don't see coming off the bench as a slight in anyway really. It's kind of like being number two in a one-two punch. If you're getting good minutes, you're a "starter".

Buzz has routinely said that the reason Leday and Allen come off the bench the way they do is that they figured out each of those two do better having a few minutes to assess their opponent from the bench before going in to take advantage of what they saw from the bench.

Rob Peterson
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Class of 1999

If no one else, I fully expect Chris Clarke to be a contributor at the next level. The progression you can see him making is absolutely incredible. If he can develop an outside shot, he's going to be a hell of a player.

YESSSSSSSSS. I feel like you don't truly engage with a team as a fan until you find that guy or gal (or more than one) that for some reason you form an attachment to. Shyrone Stith, Branden Ore, Vinnie Fuller and all his brothers, Ryan MF Williams for me on the football side. In basketball, it was Jamon Gordon and then Malcolm Delaney, and for whatever reason, I love me some Chris Clarke. Just watching him play makes me happy.

lol you're going to love this, but my freshman year I had the same opinion watching Terry Taylor out there. Not the best player by any means, but man if it wasn't just fun watching him out there. Remember rushing the court after we beat UConn and people making a dance circle around him while he celebrated in style. Good times.

"When I was growing up, Virginia Tech was a school that was kicking ass and taking names, and it's time we get back to that" - James Franklin

Clarke reminds me of Deron Washington of all the Hokies that have come through the gym. His ability to attack the rim with a reckless edge is just exciting. Clarke though has a much higher ceiling in my opinion. I think if he can develop a reliable mid range shot, he has a good chance of making the NBA. Even if he doesnt and follows a Deron like career, thats nothing to sneeze at either. Washington has regularly played on top division teams in Italy, Israel and Spain over what is now almost a ten year career.

Rob Peterson
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Class of 1999

I wonder what the stats are on someone truly developing an outside jump shot instead of improving percentages off of superior shot selection. Clarke's free throw shooting percentages aren't encouraging to me in regards to him developing a good enough jumper for the NBA based on his size. Obviously plenty of time for that to change but I think the NBA hype for him is premature as of right now.

Brian killing it on the radio this morning

When he is the host I listen to 910. He does a great job.

this group starting to remind me a bit of Dell's team...undersized, athletic, balanced, explosive.

Justin Robinson as Al Young
Chris Clarke as Perry Young
Zack LeDay as Keith Colbert

'Its easy to grin, when your ship comes in, and you've got the stock market beat,
but the man worthwhile, is the man who can smile, when his shorts are too tight in the seat'

Did you have to walk up hill both ways to go to those basketball games?

lol

no, but having gore-tex a few years sooner sure would have been nice!

It was sloppy play and an unfriendly basket last night. There were many balls that just didn't go through the deflector shield on the net. Bibbs got shut out for probably the first time in his career because the ball just didn't drop right.

But I love these guys and the effort. Charleston Southern were trying hard and their little guard is a beast.

I know we are a bit undersized in the front court, so how many of the ACC teams will present size matchup problems against us? I haven't really seen any other schools play yet.

Almost every one of them.
By Team, Players 6'9 and above
Boston College - 3
Clemson - 3
Duke - 7
FSU - 5
GT - 4
Louisville - 5
Miami - 3
NC State - 3 (4 guys at 6'8)
UNC - 3
ND - 3
Pitt - 3 (3 at 6'8)
Syracuse - 4
UVA - 3
Wake - 4

Rob Peterson
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Class of 1999

Duke and NC State could start full squads above 6'8" and still have two on the bench. That's absurd.

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The Sixers would caution you against this strategy

"When I was growing up, Virginia Tech was a school that was kicking ass and taking names, and it's time we get back to that" - James Franklin

I've made it a point in life to reject all advice from the Sixers post Allen iverson.

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just for comparison (and also because I know virtually nothing about our BBall roster) how many such players are on the VT roster?

Onward and upward

http://www.hokiesports.com/mbasketball/players/

Edit: Updated link to VT's site.

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so we have the same number of players (4) or more at 6'9" as 10 other teams in the league. That doesn't sound so bad.

#statmanipulation

Onward and upward

We have 3, as one is red shirted, Kerry Blackshear is injured so we are down to 2. Put that up against 7.

#WhyDidYouUseAHashtag?

Edit: Forgot Hamilton is out for the season with an injury too. Just Sy right now. 1 vs 7.

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yeah but are all 7 starters?

It's cherry picking to say that X team has Y number of players exceeding Z height and not actually mention any of those same stats for VT. It implies that we don't have any. And are we to assume that all those listed players are starters? We have 4 (and apparently 3 of them won't play) so how many of the 3 or 4 on other teams play?

The original comment tries to paint the picture that VT is severely undersized and every other team (just about) in the league has way more big men. I think the information is incomplete and that the situation isn't nearly as dire as presented.

I was just pointing that out.

#whatswrongwithhashtags?

Onward and upward

#sareoverusedandgrateonthenerveslikefingernailsonachalkboard?

Reel men fish on Wednesdays

#speakforyourself

Onward and upward

Believe me, I do.

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Thank you. That was more eloquent than I was able to conjure.

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Onward and upward

Yes. Really. I was using mine in satire the same way I'd use a gif. I'm against the passive aggressive mic drop that a lot of hashtags have become.

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well I wasn't trying to be passive aggressive...or drop a mic. It was meant in jest.

Onward and upward

yes

This should show you in terms of personnel used so far, that Virginia Tech is by far the smallest lineup going into ACC play.

Considering our starting center is 6'7 a majority of the time, all players 6'7 or above are included:
6'7 pr Taller, MPG

Boston College - Five players combine for 80.2 MPG, or two spots on the floor for the entire game
Ervins Meznieks, 6'7, plays 3 MPG
AJ Turner, 6'7, plays 30.5 MPG
Mike Sagay, 6'7, plays 5.3 MPG
Mo Jeffers 6'9, plays 21 MPG
John CarlosReyes, 6'10, 8 MPG
Nik Popovic, 6'11, 12.4 MPG

Clemson - Five players combine for 111.6 MPG, or almost three spots on the floor
Jaron Blossongame, 6'7, 32.8 MPG
Donte Grantham, 6'8, 31.7 MPG
Elijah Thomas, 6'9, 11 MPG, Just returned from injury, could begin to see starter type minutes soon
Sidy Djitte, 6'10, 27.6 MPG
Legend Robertin, 7'0, 8.5 MPG

Duke - Nine Players combine for 115.8 MPG, or almost three spots on the floor
Antonio Vrankovic, 7', 11.4 MPG
Marques Bolden, 6'11, 8.3 MPG
Javin Delaurier, 6'10, 9.5 MPG
Chase Jeter, 6'10, 15.3 MPG
Harry Giles, 6'10, 4 MPG, Just returned from injury, could begin to see starter type minutes soon
Amile Jefferson, 6'9, 31.1 MPG
Justin Robinson, 6'8, 2.7 MPG
Jayson Tatum, 6'8, 25.5 MPG
Jack White, 6'7, 8 MPG

Florida State - Six Players combine for 103 MPG, or two and a half spots on the floor
Christ Koumadje, 7'4, 12.4 MPG
Michael Ojo, 7'1, 13.5 MPG
Jonathan Isaac, 6'10, 24.6 MPG
Jarquez Smith, 6'9, 11.6 MPG
Phil Cofer, 6'8, 14.3 MPG
Dwayne Bacon, 6'7, 26.6 MPG

Georgia Tech - Six players combine for 99 MPG, or two and a half spots on the floor
Ben Lammers, 6'10, 33.9 MPG
Sylvester Ogbonda, 6'10, 5.3 MPG
Abdouleye Gueye, 6'9, 13.7 MPG
Quinton Stephens, 6'9, 32.4 MPG
Kellen McCormick, 6'7, 5 MPG
Christian Matthews, 6'7, 8.7 MPG

Louisville - Six players combine for 111.2, or almost three spots on the floor
Anas Mahmoud, 7', 17.8 MPG
Matz Stockman, 7', 5.4 MPG
Ray Spalding, 6'10, 18.8 MPG
Mangok Mathiang, 6'10, 19.9 MPG
Jaylen Johnson, 6'9, 21.1 MPG
Deng Adel, 6'7, 28.2 MPG

Miami - Five players combined for 88.7 MPG, or just over two spots on the floor
Rodney Miller, 7', 5.4 MPG
Dewan Huell, 6'11, 21.3 MPG
Ebuka Izundu, 6'10, 9.9 MPG
Kamari Murphy, 6'8, 27.8 MPG
Anthony Lawrence Jr, 6'7, 24.3 MPG

NC State - Seven players combine for 121.1 MPG, or just over three spots on the floor
Omer Yurtseven, 7', 26 MPG
BeeJay Anya, 6'9, 15.4 MPG
Ted Kapita, 6'8, 16.9 MPG
Shawn Kirk, 6'8, 5.5 MPG
Abdul Malik Abu, 6'8, 26.1 MPG
Maverick Rowan, 6'7, 22.3 MPG
Darius Hicks, 6'7, 8.9 MPG

UNC - Five players combine for 107.7 MPG, or just over two spots on the floor.

Tony Bradley, 6'10, 17.1 MPG
Kennedy Meeks, 6'10, 22.8 MPG
Isaiah Hicks, 6'9, 23.5 MPG
Justin Jackson, 6'8, 30.3 MPG
Luke Maye, 6'8, 14 MPG

Notre Dame - Six Players combine for 81.1, or just over two spots on the floor
Martinas Geben, 6'10, 15.4 MPG
John Mooney, 6'9, 5.7 MPG
Elijah Burns, 6'8, 6.3 MPG
VJ Beachem, 6'8, 32.6 MPG
Matt Ryan, 6'7, 12.4 MPG
Austin Torres, 6'7, 8.7 MPG

Pitt - Six players combine for 150.2 MPG, or almost four spots on the floor.
Ryan Luther, 6'9, 21.1 MPG
Michael Young, 6'9, 31.8 MPG
Cameron Johnson, 6'8, 31.7 MPG
Sheldon Jeter, 6'8, 26.7 MPG
Corey Manigault, 6'8, 4.5 MPG
Jamel Artis, 6'7, 34.4 MPG

Syracuse - Six Players combine for 130.7 MPG, or about three and a quarter spots on the floor.
Pascal Chukwu, 7'2, 15.4 MPG
Taurean Thompson, 6'10, 16.4 MPG
Dajuan Coleman, 6'9, 17.7 MPG
Tyler Lydon, 6'9, 30.3 MPG
Tyler Roberson, 6'8, 18.3 MPG
Andrew White III, 6'7, 32.6 MPG

LOLUVA - Four Players combine for 75.6 MPG, or almost two spots on the floor.
Jack Salt, 6'11, 19.9 MPG
Mamadi Diakite, 6'9, 15.4 MPG
Jarred Reuter, 6'7, 16.1 MPG
Isaiah Wilkins, 6'7, 24.2 MPG

Virginia Tech - Two players that combine for 41.9 MPG, or around one spot on the floor.
Khadim Sy, 6'10, 13.7 MPG
Zach Leday, 6'7, 28.2 MPG

Wake Forest - Five players that combine for 71 MPG, or almost two spots on the floor.
Doral Moore, 7'1, 9.8 MPG
Sam Japhet-Mathias, 6'11, 3.7 MPG
Konstantinos Mitoglou, 6'10, 24.3 MPG
John Collins, 6'10, 24.3 MPG
Greg McClinton, 6'7, 8.9 MPG

Rob Peterson
VTCC
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Game, set and match to Rob.

"Don't go to, go through"

Godamn Rob, bravo

"That kid you're talking to right there, I think he played his nuts off! And you can quote me on that shit!" -Bud Foster

So, one who plays: Sy. Three who are not playing: Blackshear, Hamilton and Fullard. Sy Blackshear and Fullard should play next year. I think Hamilton is done as senior with possibly a season ending injury.

Doesn't matter if it's cake or pie as long as it's chocolate.

Its never too early to remind everyone on how good we potentially will be next year. Sy and Blackshear alone down low will be nice, but then to add in a redshirted Fullard as well...

"When I was growing up, Virginia Tech was a school that was kicking ass and taking names, and it's time we get back to that" - James Franklin

You're forgetting 2018 ACC POY and Naismith winner Chris Clarke

I haven't looked at the situation, but Hamilton should be eligible for a medical redshirt. He certainly played less than 1/3 of the season (actually only 1/10), stopped playing before the midpoint (by a lot), and hasn't redshirted before. The question is, would he even want to play next year, and if so would Buzz consider it worth tying up a scholarship for him for another season?

Based on the outcome of the aTm game, this doesn't make me feel good.

"I liked you guys a lot better when everybody told you you were terrible." -Justin Fuente

I feel fine about it. That game was more about us losing focus at the end and an inability to close out an opponent rather than some fundamental issue with the way we played. We dominated that game and let it slip away.

"When I was growing up, Virginia Tech was a school that was kicking ass and taking names, and it's time we get back to that" - James Franklin

Didn't they sub in basically all their bigs in the second half?

"I liked you guys a lot better when everybody told you you were terrible." -Justin Fuente

I felt like the refs stopped calling a lot of the inside contact they had been calling earlier once we got up big. I think against ACC teams with big players who get all the no-calls from the refs we will have issues to overcome, whether it is ref bias or just old school Big East let'em fight out fairly called. Quickness can overcome size, but not if they let the big guys push us around without calling it.

Sometimes we live no particular way but our own

We dominated aTm for 32 mins playing our game. We got cold and tentative and they hit two big jumpers to win the game.

The aTm game illustrates how big teams could dominate us. It also illustrates how we have the capability to blow big teams off the court if we keep our foot on the gas and hit shots.

I really like this outlook.

It's also a bizzare turning of the tables that you are trying to convince me that there's reason for optimism.

"I liked you guys a lot better when everybody told you you were terrible." -Justin Fuente

We have 4 on the roster + 1 6'8 player.

Having a roster full of big guys doesn't mean that they play.

Edit: drinking.

Never Forget #1 Overall Seed UVA 54, #64 UMBC 74

I was actually a little surprised with the turnout for a Tuesday 9PM tip vs a 4-6 team, but it does make you wonder why we even bother to schedule these types of games during the Christmas break. I think it would make more sense over the holidays to schedule neutral site games/away games near the larger alumni bases.

What ever happened to that Governor Hoops Classic in Richmond? I am sure playing against VCU or Richmond at the Coliseum would have a much larger turnout of RVA Hokies then these types of matchups do in Cassel. It surely would be better for our RPI as well. I am not sure whether the payout of such a game would offset the loss of a home gate though.

I think we could rotate a neutral Richmond game vs UR/VCU and a NOVA/MD game vs Mason/Gtown/MD every other year would boost our schedule and give those alumni bases a game to attend as we continue to grow the VT basketball bandwagon.

Here's an Article from when the Governor's hoops thingy got shut down.

I really think it got cancelled because, at the time, VCU was the only respectable roundball team in the state, and it seemed to be just a way to get the A-10/CAA teams wins over ACC schools. I have no facts to back this up other than us losing by 30 to VCU in our one game and LOLUVa losing to ODU in their only game

That was possibly the worst performance by a VT basketball team that I have ever seen. And that's saying something.

"That kid you're talking to right there, I think he played his nuts off! And you can quote me on that shit!" -Bud Foster

Home gate is one part of it. The other aspect that you arent accounting for is the cost of travel. You are probably looking at 14 players, five coaches, two to three trainers, three to five GA/Student Managers, cheerleaders since its neutral site, 10-12 other athletic staff to handle media, logistics, travel, and other issues since its an in state type event. This is a multi-day event so you are probably getting close to $100,000.00 in travel costs alone and thats without even knowing what they would spend on busses.

Rob Peterson
VTCC
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Class of 1999

Thanks for the info. I didn't realize the financial difference between neutral and away games.

Maybe the solution would be to just schedule Richmond/VCU every year and alternate the dates so we play 1 in Blacksburg and 1 in RVA each year?

I was curious to look at our OOC scheduling (excluding tournaments and ACC/Big Ten challenge) the past couple years to see the breakdown in the quality of the opponents....:

2016:
P5: 1
Mid-major: 0
Cupcake: 7

2015:
P5: 1
Mid major: 1
Cupcakes: 8

2014:
P5: 1
Mid major: 0
Cupcakes: 9

I am hoping that some of that scheduling is a leftover effect of the 'rebuilding' phase so hopefully we see an improvement next year.

There have been a few conversations on here over the years about potential tournaments. I for one would just like to see Tech do a round robin rotation of Virginia schools every season. Make it a home tourney that lasts a long weekend essentially, make it four schools so each can get two games in on the weekend. Make it a festival. There are about a dozen D1 programs in Virginia now (Sans LOLUVA due to conference alignment) You could play Radford, James Madison, Old Dominion, Hampton, George Mason, Richmond, VCU, VMI, Norfolk State, Longwood, and Liberty. Rotating these schools would mean facing two per year so give you opponents for five or six seasons.

Now in terms of your evaluation of the OOC schedule, I would just say two things. You can't discount the tournament opponents because if you have watched Tech basketball for more than a few years you know there is a vast difference in the quality of opponent in these tournaments. Just look between this season and last two, this year we faced three D I G5/P5 schools. Last year, we faced Iowa State and UAB. The year before that was Northern Iowa and Miami(OH).

Second, you cant discount having the ACC/Big Ten matchup on there, especially the level of opponent, considering how many other seasons we either werent in the matchup or we had the worst rated Big Ten opponent because we were a cellar dweller in the ACC.

Rob Peterson
VTCC
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Class of 1999

Fair enough in your evaluation of the level of competition in the tournaments. The reason I discounted the ACC/Big Ten Challenge matchup is that it is schedule by ESPN, not VT.

I love the idea of a "Virginia Hoops Classic" and it is part of the reason why I brought up the Governor's event in Richmond a few years back as I thought that was a step in the right direction towards that type of event. There are enough quality teams in VA now that it could make for some great basketball.

ESPN may schedule it but they usually do so by how teams finish the previous year. Last year we finished sixth so we were matched up against the Big Ten six seed essentially. The bigger our success, the better opponent in the matchup we should face.

Rob Peterson
VTCC
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Class of 1999

Might be interesting to have an event like that. Bring VT, UVA, and 6 of the other schools to Richmond, split into 2 brackets (a "VT" bracket and a "UVA" bracket), and have 4 games on a Saturday and 4 more on a Sunday. You'll have 2 "champions", but it would be a bit more efficient to have 8 games instead of 4 and you showcase more teams. Add William and Mary to your list to bring it to 12, and all of the non-P5 teams get a chance to participate every other year.

A guy can dream, right?

While I agree that it would be better showcased in Richmond, I just cant see the administration going for that, which is why I suggested doing it at home. Puts all travel costs on the other participants. Means all concessions, hotel stays, meals, other miscellaneous expenditures by other teams and their fans would go into Tech or Blacksburg businesses rather than Richmond ones.

Rob Peterson
VTCC
Charlie/Hotel Company
Class of 1999

I have been a proponent of scheduling both GMU and Georgetown for home-and-home series so that each year we play one team in the DC area and one team at home. Unlike Maryland, GMU and GTown rarely fill up their arenas for games so they would have a lot of open seats for area Hokies. Those are also interesting non-conference home games that would attract big crowds, especially if we play those schools every year.

Outside it's night time, but inside it's LeDay

It was a ugly game in the first half for sure. Even in the second half we still couldn't shoot. We would have won by 50 if our shooters were even close to being on. It goes to show the versatility of our squad.

"I'm too drunk to taste this chicken" - Colonel Sanders via Ricky Bobby

Buzz is the man. He's brought in so much talent during his time here and all the kids have bought into the system which makes them even better. I can't wait to see how the team does in conference play.

My boss, a UVA grad (and recently a big basketball fan), walked into my office yesterday and said "Looks like the Hokies have a basketball team finally". We are about to take the last thing that they have to brag about.

"We judge ourselves by our intentions and others by their behavior" Stephen M.R. Covey

β€œWhen life knocks you down plan to land on your back, because if you can look up, you can get up, if you fall flat on your face it can kill your spirit” David Wilson

I hope you replied "still waiting on uva's football team to show up, though!"

VB born, class of '14

He is so disgusted with their football team that he does enough shit talking for the both of us. After we played this year I think he greeted me with a "you all sure steamrolled the shit out of us again".

"We judge ourselves by our intentions and others by their behavior" Stephen M.R. Covey

β€œWhen life knocks you down plan to land on your back, because if you can look up, you can get up, if you fall flat on your face it can kill your spirit” David Wilson

I watched UGA/GT before this game, it reminded me how far VT has come.

GT is what VT was two seasons ago. Just a haphazard mess of a team. You can't tell what they are good at or what they are trying to be good at. If they have someone who makes a shot, the offense is then "let that guy shoot again." That's a team that won't reach .500. It's bad basketball. Any success seems accidental.

UGA is what VT was last year. Some good players but they haven't found that defining characteristic yet of who they are. Their whole is lesser than the sum of their parts. They have a shoot-first PG running the show, a lefty, who takes some bad shots but mostly sets himself up. They are good defensively in stretches, but not consistently. They are probably a NIT team, but will get better as the year goes on.

Then you watch what VT is this year. We know who we are. We get up and down the court. We want to throw you off you rhythm with our defensive pressure and waste important seconds of the shot clock trying to regroup. Anyone who gets a rebound"has license" to initiate the offense (except Sy) and that makes our breaks that much faster. On offense, we make the extra pass, then we make one more pass on top of that. You can see the commitment to "great shots" out there and you can see when "good shots" don't go in how that is a let down to the ethos of the team.

I know this team is small and that worries everyone. I know they have spells where they aren't 100% of who they want to be. But this team is soooo muuuuucccchhh better than where we were a year ago and where we were two years ago is unrecognizable.

Nobody in the ACC is looking forward to playing us. Nobody.

That UGA GiT game was ugly. Neither team hit shots with consistency or really did anything else well. UGA was up by 10 but GiT could have easily come back if they could have done anything offensively. So glad to have Buzz and that we aren't that mess any more.

Nice analysis.

As an extension, I would add that 2 years ago VT would undergo long stretches in almost every game where both the O and the D would simultaneously just go into a black hole. They just didn't know how to turn it off. That diminished a bit early last season and diminished even more as last season wore on.

This season there has been little of this - the only times it really stands out in my memory is the last 8 min of the aTm game and the early part of the Michigan game.

Having the O or the D disappear for long stretches is going to happen to every team. But if you don't collapse on both ends of the floor at the same time, you will generally give yourself a chance to win. You can see the maturity of this team in how it unconsciously (or perhaps consciously) does't allow the game to get completely away from them on both ends of the court when one side goes awry for a period of time.

Also worth noting that GT won at VCU. I think that says more about VCU than it does GT.

In Sam Rogers we trust.

I know this team is small and that worries everyone. I know they have spells where they aren't 100% of who they want to be.

But lets be real here, everyone has a weakness that can be exploited. We have depth issues due to injury down low, but we still have at least one guy who can step up and play. We had size issues down low last season as well, and we still managed 10 wins in ACC play. We're a better overall team this year than we were last year, and we better understand how we can take our weakness, and turn it into something we can use almost as a strength. Fine, other teams are bigger than us, then we're going to use our quickness and ability to zip the ball around the court with good passing to get the open shot.

And really, if we didn't have the size issues and we were able to consistently play at 100% of what they know they can be, you're talking about a team that could win a National Title. I don't think anyone realistically expects that this year, or even expected that in the preseason, but you can see that we're on a path towards getting to that point. Starting next year, we very well could enter a multi-year stretch where we are a legitimate threat to win the ACC regular season or tournament and have the potential to make a long run in the NCAA. We're just not quite there, yet.

"When I was growing up, Virginia Tech was a school that was kicking ass and taking names, and it's time we get back to that" - James Franklin

Villanova won a title (and is currently #1) with Buzz's blueprint.

Buzz damn near made that kid cry when he told him to sit up, but in a good, fatherly manner. Teaching the kid a lesson without berating him.

Glad someone like that is coaching our team.

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Got done watching on the DVR this morning, and came by to ask about the inbounds off Sy's foot. The game thread acknowledged it was "bad", but what is the rule here? If he dribbles off his foot, it's a loose ball. If it's kicked out of bounds, it was kicked. What if it was thrown at your foot and stays alive?

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If it had gone back out of bounds, it wouldnt have been a kicked ball either, it just would have been Sy was the last to touch it so CSU ball.

The rule for kicking requires intent, which is why the whistle was a bad call. Sy did not even lift his foot, it remained planted where the opponent threw the ball in at him on the inside back of his leg so he could not have Intentionally kicked the ball. Bad call by the ref furthest from the play during a really bad sequence on defense for the Hokies, drawing four fouls during that one trip down the court.

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Charlie/Hotel Company
Class of 1999

To show how hard it is to remain focused on a lower opponent at this time of year, look no further than Duke, who has been going basket for basket with Elon for almost the entire first half. Elon has led by as many as six points in this half so far. Duke finally seems to be pulling out of the funk though, having gone on an 13-5 run.

Rob Peterson
VTCC
Charlie/Hotel Company
Class of 1999

Grayson Allen with trips a dude pretty obviously, gets T'd up for it, throws temper tantrum on bench. Nice.
Dook doesnt scare me.

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Down goes #22 Gamecocks by Clemson! We might see a #25 next to our name if we can leapfrog 9-3 Florida.

I'm guessing we would have been ranked anyway. Pollsters know what games are upcoming and they know that having Duke play a ranked team on New Year's Eve is much better for the sport than Duke playing an unranked opponent. That kind of ranked matchup might sway people from a bowl game to watch, and the voters know it.

Have nothing to base that on outside of just having seen ranking inflate in both football and basketball over the years in the lead up to big games.

"When I was growing up, Virginia Tech was a school that was kicking ass and taking names, and it's time we get back to that" - James Franklin

Honestly I think you may be giving the voters a little too much credit. I'm not sure that they are that observant about basketball, and there's little reason for them to trump up a matchup between a relative no-name (in basketball) and Duke, where Duke is probably expected to win big.

If I'm wrong I'm wrong, but I'll take all the help I can get with regards to us getting ranked. Here are the games that the teams close in front of us in the AP will have played between the last set of rankings and the next set (opponent ranks in parentheses taken from Sagarin):

#20 Oregon: Beat (139) Fresno State 75-63
#21 Florida State: Beat (161) Samford 76-68
#22 South Carolina: Lost to #35 (32) Clemson 62-60
#23 Southern Cal: Beat (271) Cornell 79-67; Plays (120) Missouri State on 12/22
#24 Cincinnati: Plays (142) Marshall on 12/22
#25 Notre Dame: Beat (298) Colgate 77-62
#26 Florida: Beat (190) Little Rock 94-71
#27 VT: Beat (310) Charleston Southern 87-59

Considering that we are only 8 votes behind Florida right now, there's a chance that we'll jump them, and I suppose it also depends on how individual voters ranked us vs. them vs. South Carolina, so there's a chance that we'll jump in without any more help, but we should probably be rooting for Missouri State and Marshall today, just in case.

I think you are spot on.

Rob Peterson
VTCC
Charlie/Hotel Company
Class of 1999

Oh well. Marshall forced overtime, but Cincinnati was able to squeeze out a win. And USC had slightly less trouble in their game tonight.

I think the only media people vested in a ranked matchup might be ESPN, and the implication would be they are influencing the AP voters if that is the reason for the jump.

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