Buzzketball Grinds Out a 62-61 Win Over Georgia Tech

Seth Allen's layup with 15 seconds to play lifts the Hokies to a hard-fought win over Georgia Tech.

[Mark Umansky]

It certainly wasn't sexy. But in front of a packed house on Wednesday night, the Virginia Tech Hokies were able to grind their way to a narrow 62-61 victory over the Georgia Tech Yellow Jackets in Blacksburg. Down one, Seth Allen took the ball straight at GT center Ben Lammers and hit a game winning layup with 15 seconds remaining.

After clawing back from a 49-40 deficit with 11:15 to play, the Yellow Jackets had a chance to win it at the buzzer. Justin Robinson missed the front end of a 1-and-1 with 8 seconds left, but Georgia Tech sharpshooter Quinton Stephens was unable to bury a step-back 15-footer to win it. Stephens led all scorers with 18 points and 13 rebounds, including five three-pointers.

The Hokies began the game with a unique starting lineup. Khadim Sy and Ty Outlaw started in place of Zach LeDay and Chris Clarke; Clarke's absence from the lineup was later attributed to tardiness for Wednesday's shootaround. As a result, the Hokies came out of the gates a bit disjointed against a balanced GT squad. The Hokies trailed 12-4 and looked largely out of sync seven minutes into the game, before LeDay, Allen and eventually Clarke joined the fray.

From thereon, the Hokies started to find their rhythm by quickly converting possession changes into fast-break opportunities. After an Allen triple and a LeDay layup cut the Bees' lead to 15-9, Justin Robinson snatched a backside rebound and immediately turned upcourt to find Clarke, who finished with the first of consecutive And-1's.

The insertion of those three players highlighted just how vital they are to this team's success. Their experience, athleticism and guile adds a more aggressive and attacking dimension to the Hokies.

Despite the Hokies' newfound urgency, they continued to struggle against halfcourt sets on both ends of the floor. Virginia Tech would play 28 seconds of solid defense before a late lapse would give guys like Stephens and Josh Heath open jumpers as the shot clock expired. Those Stephens 3-pointers were killers in the first half, quelling short bursts of momentum from the home side.

On the opposite end of the floor, Josh Pastner's squad used a varied defensive set that usually originated from a 1-3-1 zone. Georgia Tech center Ben Lammers, who set the tone early by repeatedly blocking and contesting Hokie shots, manned the paint and did a great job of disrupting the Hokies' ability to get paint touches.

Against zone defenses this season (most notably versus Syracuse's 2-3), the Hokies have successfully employed a high-low set that sees Chris Clarke flash to the free throw line while Zach LeDay (or Khadim Sy) run the baseline. With an active and rangy player like Lammers planted higher in the key, the Hokies struggled to consistently get Clarke the ball with enough time to turn and face the basket.

For a long time, Lammers — who tied a record of 8 blocks by a Hokies opponent — single-handedly affected everything the Hokies wanted to do on offense. But Chris Clarke, with varying degrees of success, began taking the ball straight at Lammers. Zach LeDay backed down Lammers, using his trademark shoulder feint and jump hook with success.

Those strategies began to open up play for the Hokies. Paint touches became more common, and the Hokies were able to frazzle the Bees with quick rotations and skip passes that put them out of position. With only two men defending the perimeter, corner threes and jumpers from the wing became easier to come by, giving guys like Seth Allen and Justin Bibbs the openings they needed to drain dagger after dagger.

Regarding the Yellow Jacket's zone looks, Buzz Williams commented after the game, "You just never get into rhythm. There's not a lot of flow. When you saw flow from us, it was when we were able to get a stop and score in transition."

Despite all of the mayhem and overall lack of comfort, the Hokies trailed 29-28 going into the halftime break. In short, the first half was...ugly. Tech shot 36% from the field, including 2-11 from distance.

Coming out of the locker room, the Hokies visibly had a more attack-minded approach. The Hokies were quick up the floor, attacking the basket before Georgia Tech could set up their zone. The quick-hitting approach left Lammers particularly susceptible, as he was often out of position and in a worse position to defend the paint.

Pastner adjusted and started extending his zone to provide full and half-court pressure, while trapping and varying up the looks.

"It's 2-2-1 and sometimes they trap, sometimes they don't, and back to a 2-3 zone," Williams noted. "It's 1-3-1 and then it's 1-1-3. The 1-1-3, if you get it to the corner, turns into a 2-3. Sideline, out of bounds, you call a timeout at sideline out-of-bounds: They're going to be in a 1-1-3. As soon as you initiate offense, on the first pass, they're going to go trap it. It's just hard to have a flow, have a routine. And I do think that it impacted us and I think that's why [Pastner] does it."

Georgia Tech's defensive efforts were able to slow the Hokies down enough to keep them in the game. GT held the good guys to their lowest scoring output of the season, which was a must for an offensively-challenged team like the Bees.

As the Hokies broke down the Georgia Tech defense early in the second half, it was the sharpshooting of guards Seth Allen and Justin Bibbs that put them back in front. Both players combined to score 14 of Tech's first 16 points, including four three-pointers.

After extending their lead to as much as nine points, the Hokies began to once again fall victim to defensive lapses late in the shot clock. Josh Okogie and Stephens continued to make the Hokies pay, capped off by a Stephens three with 3:53 remaining that tied the game at 55.

Both teams traded baskets before a Lammers layup on a sweet little pocket pass from Stephens put the Bees up 61-60 with 43 ticks left.

After a Hokies timeout, the Hokies tried to find an open look before Allen took the game into his hands once again. Allen, who combined with Zach LeDay to lead the Hokies with 17 points, drove right into the chest of Lammers and made a tough layup to put the Hokies up for good.

"I just wanted to try and make a play," remarked Allen. "We had unbelievable spacing, unbelievable guys to make everything happen. That's kind of what you ask for when you're a senior and it's your last year."

Even though the Hokies struggled with their consistency on both ends, they were able to grind out a win against an ACC foe. Yes, Georgia Tech has some impressive wins against teams like North Carolina, Clemson and VCU. But they also lost to Ohio University and to Duke by 53.

Forgive me for the cliche, but if there's one thing we've learned about the ACC this season, it's that anything can happen on a given night. Notre Dame is certainly separating themselves, and Florida State and North Carolina look formidable. But no one is immune from head-scratching losses to teams at the opposite end of the conference spectrum.

So if the Hokies fancy themselves as an NCAA Tournament team, then they need to win games like these by whatever means necessary in order to give the selection committee as little fodder as possible.

With the win, the Hokies improve to 14-4 on the season and 3-3 in the ACC. They travel to Clemson on Sunday before heading to Chapel Hill on Thursday, in what Buzz considers a pivotal week for his team. "We play three games in seven days, and two of them are on the road," said Williams. "We have not been the greatest team on the road, so it's another opportunity for us. We will be forced to have to mature even more if we're going to have a chance in any of those games."

A Few Odds and Ends

SOME SCORING NOTES: In addition to playing some solid defense all night, Justin Bibbs chipped in 9 points on three triples. Chris Clarke notched his third double-double on the year, scoring 11 points and adding 11 rebounds. And Justin Robinson, who logged his second bagel in the scoring column in his last three games, pulled down a career high 8 rebounds.

Ahmed Hill continues to struggle with his consistency, scoring only 4 points on 2-7 shooting (0-4 from distance). In recent games, he has tended to disappear over long stretches and then seems to force shots to get himself into the game. His discomfort is palpable and Buzz has clearly taken notice, discussing both his and Bibbs' shooting struggles after the game.

Obviously picking up his fourth foul with 12:35 to play didn't do him any favors on Wednesday night; but if the Hokies want to be successful this season, they're going to need Med to stay on the court and rediscover the confidence he oozed earlier this season.

When asked about Justin Bibbs' shooting struggles, Buzz pulled Med into the discussion and said the following:

"I think they understand, as a shooter you have to have that mentality. I would obviously like [Bibbs] to shoot better than 25 percent. I don't think that Med or he have shot the ball very well over the last two or three games. We need that. I wouldn't necessarily say that I'm very Pollyanna with those guys that are in a slump, but I would also say that I never shy away from, 'Oh don't say anything to 'em.' I think it's kind of like talking to a pitcher. I've never been a baseball coach, but I think the best philosophy is tell them the truth. They know that they need to make shots and that we need them to make shots. I don't shy away from it but I'm also...I want them to have the thought process that, 'Yeah, I'm making the next one.'"

GEORGIA TECH'S ALLEY-OOPS!: Down one with 11.1 seconds remaining, Josh Pastner drew up a potential game-winning play that the Hokies were able to snuff out. GT point guard Tadric Jackson, who was inbounding the ball in front of the Yellow Jackets bench, threw an alley-oop to center Ben Lammers that he was unable to handle. The ball bounced off the backboard and then Lammers' hands before eventually being corralled by Hokie Justin Robinson.

Regarding the inbounds play, Pastner remarked:

"We were trying to get the ball to Quinton [Stephens] and — Justin Robinson or Seth Allen, whoever was on the ball there, I think it was Seth Allen — did a good job on pressuring the ball. Then our second option was a lob to Ben [Lammers], and he was open for a split second but we threw it a little late. Quinton was open — as was Ben — at the last second, but I think the pressure by Justin or by Seth Allen was good and it made it a tough pass for Tadric. That happens. You have to give credit to Buzz and his team on that one."

Comments

"'Paint touches'...that's a phrase I haven't heard since..."

Thanks for sending me out on a win. Hopefully more of these ACC games will be on AFN, and I'll certainly be able to watch a few of our NCAA tourney games from the high seas. (if you really want to send me out in style, get those coaches down to WaWa and close out on a certain FB recruit)

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-What we do is, if we need that extra push, you know what we do? -Put it up to fully dipped? -Fully dipped. Exactly. It's dork magic.

How long will you be away? Good luck on the tour!

I chuckled out loud when the announcer noticed how quiet it got in Cassell and goes "LeDay with the 50 foot putt". Anyone else hear that? Corny but fun.

"Yeah, it do." - Mike Vick

Think it was 15, but yeah, that was an excellent line and perfectly timed. I was so anxious at home, as was the crowd in Cassell, it really did sounds like a golf event. The whispering tone into the mic really made it. That announcer could put me to sleep on Sunday's, if he ever needs to switch sports.

I am just grateful that we won and still irritated at ESPN for blacking out the game if it wasn't going to be on TV. Don't they realize they are just hurting their own viewing numbers?

The game was on TV, just not an ESPN network - which I think is why they have to do the blackout.

Ah but not a channel that Shentel carried.

That would make it a Shentel problem and not Espn.

To use WatchESPN, they must know your provider. Why can't all the smart computers tell ESPN who actually has the game and who doesn't? Don't black out providers who aren't showing the game.

Do you have the RSN packages?

Always choose joy.

Not if the WatchESPN is blocking it out in the Shentel area.

The common logic is Shentel is junk. I have them too, so you're not alone.

They probably carry it, but on a separate tier or a dedicated sports package.

The RSNs (Regional Sports Networks) are a system of channels from various companies (Comcast and FOX are the two that first come to mind, with some examples being Comcast Sports Net Mid-Atlantic [CSNMA] or Fox Sports Carolinas) that have divided up the territory somewhat and cover regional sports from those areas. Sometimes, there's a game big enough to be nationally broadcast, but not big enough to be on one of the major cable channels, and it is broadcast on a patchwork of RSNs in an attempt to cover the majority of the markets. However, in my experience, these channels are becoming more and more rare in the lower tiers of cable packages, and are frequently now only available in the "150+" or larger packages, or sometimes only in Sports add-on packages.

In years past, these games weren't available for streaming on WatchESPN at all, so I imagine that ESPN has changed the terms of making these games available to those networks to say that people not in the territory covered by the RSNs can stream it on WatchESPN, and those within said territory can stream them if they subscribe to one of the RSNs.

Georgia tech vs. Virginia Tech, carried by NESN (New England Sports Network) up here in the great white north. That was a head scratcher.

Blacked out on E$PN3, plus we had to wait for 15min for the ND-FSU game.

Damn, I didn't see that the game was on NESN, but now I realize the B's were on the national channel while coughing up their big 1st period lead.

That was an especially ugly one. It's been a tough month for them. Fire Claude talk is heating up again.

I think there is a disconnect between Claude's conservative, "defense-first" system and the faster, shiftier players he has on the roster right now. If Rask doesn't stand on his head, we lose...every time.

It's ironic that you could watch the game in New England, but we couldn't watch the game in Roanoke! I call bullshit on that one!

Missed most of the game last night, but tuned in at 44-40. I hope we can get our groove back in time for UNC next week. Just bought tix for my first ever visit to the Dean Dome, and I can't wait.

I'm going to be in Chapel Hill from Jan 30-Feb 2 for training for work, right after booking I checked when our game was. Sucks I'm missing it by 4 days, I'll be rocking my O&M while there.

Now finish up them taters; I'm gonna go fondle my sweaters.

Good article Pierson. I just think this whole season is going to be a grind due to lack of height and injuries. But we will emerge stronger. I just hope we can get enough wins to get to go dancing.

We definitely need to get the shooting ills fixed this week (although credit to GT for their disruptive defense). A combined 13 points for Robinson, Hill and Bibbs isn't going to win us many games.

I think we need to run Robinson at the point more. He plays much more naturally when he controls the flow, both passing and scoring. When Seth is running the point, Justin looks a little unsure of what to do with himself.

I also noted several times during the game that Bibbs was playing some lights out defense, including one of the final possessions. If he can keep that up while improving on his current scoring slump, that bodes well for the good guys.

Definitely wasn't pretty. Glad we once again fought hard to the end. Still need work on sloppy/lazy passes and ball security.

Now finish up them taters; I'm gonna go fondle my sweaters.

You can almost read Clarke's thoughts on that.

He's like "First imma dribble, then imma run over here 'n dribble, then imma dribble over here.. then imma dart in real fast oops stopped dribblin better jump, oh shit jumped better shoot, save me now right hand, oh gad I missed better put it back, NAY MIND WE GOOD FAM. psshh yeah here you go stripes.. "

"Yeah, it do." - Mike Vick

I enjoyed this.
thanks.

Onward and upward

So what do you do when all of your 3pt shooters are off in your 3-heavy offense?

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-What we do is, if we need that extra push, you know what we do? -Put it up to fully dipped? -Fully dipped. Exactly. It's dork magic.

Exactly what we saw last night. Give it to LeDay, Clarke, and Allen and let them out-will dudes in the lane.

The Orange and Maroon you see, that's fighting on to victory.

Except that it also led to 8 blocks for Lammers and some generally poor possessions. This team was designed by Buzz to stretch the floor and shoot it, and I think most nights they will do just that. You just have to roll with the punches when the shots aren't falling and focus on playing tough defense on the other end of the floor. Turnovers and quick passes off of defensive rebounds are a good way to get easy fastbreak points, so VT can put more of a focus on that. Frankly, I'm surprised we aren't better at the half court trap with Chris Clarke at the point. Buzz used that against someone recently and tried several different people at the point (Hill, Clarke, Bibbs... maybe even Seth Allen). I really wanted to see how it would go with Clarke at the point since he's so athletic and rangy, but it wasn't very successful.

Always have a plan B.

We saw that this football season when we came to Chapel Hill*. With the rains and all, Fuente had a plan B. Fedora didn't.

* - excuse me, ALLEGEDLY came to Chapel Hill. Still can't find enough people on campus here to admit that UNC played in a game that day.

No, I *don't* want to go to the SEC. Why do you ask?

We don't love dem Hoos.

Plan B doesn't apply to this situation, though. You never stop taking open three point shots simply because they weren't going in for a stretch. VT has excellent three point shooters and those guys should always shoot threes when they are open. Or to put it another way, the three point shot is the best shot in basketball when it's open and you can shoot them well, and I believe Buzz Williams knows that.

VT has excellent three point shooters and those guys should always shoot threes when they are open

I would like Buzz to remind Zach LeDay that he is not in this group.

I agree, and he's shooting 1.4 threes per game, which is too many for him. I don't know what happened to him... he was hitting them at 36% last year taking 1.7 per game. I'm not sure why he's been so much worse this season, but it's a shame he hasn't been better. If he was forcing teams to respect his three point shot, that would help open the lane for guys to drive to the hoop. Maybe that was the price we had to pay for Seth Allen to go from being a 28% three pointer shooter last year to being a 47% three point shooter this year. That is just an absolutely insane difference.

Major kudos to GT's defense shutting down our shooters. Bibbs and Med have certainly been in a slump as of late, and playing a defense like that isn't gonna do any good to pull yourself out of a slump. This was a great victory to get, we have to defend Cassell any way we can and steal a few road wins. This next stretch is absolutely critical. Can't WAIT for the Clemson game, that one is gonna be a lot of fun to watch.

"GO BACK TO YOUR ROOM LITTLE BROTHER, THE CUP IS COMIN’ ON HOME!”

We need to play better. Rob has been in a funk since the Duke game, same with Med. Both key players, we can't have them playing this poorly on both ends.

As a team, I haven't seen us playing with the same grit as we did early in the season or last year. Too many attempts at trying to make the miraculous pass instead of making the steady pass. Too much complacency on the defensive end. We need to circle the wagons. Clemson might be the perfect place for it, they likely won't have a huge crowd on Championship Sunday in the NFL against a team that isn't Duke or UNC. Blossomgame is a beast, but the rest of Clemson is rather mediocre. We can win that game and get back to even in the ACC with regards to home/away.

We've been really good finding soft spots in zones, but GT zone was best we've played and we never looked comfortable. Pastner looks like a really good coach.

'Its easy to grin, when your ship comes in, and you've got the stock market beat,
but the man worthwhile, is the man who can smile, when his shorts are too tight in the seat'

That was a tough game to follow. So many ups and downs. Felt
like they'd give it away but man what a finish. Gotta give em credit
for keeping at it.

Was a stressful win, I had my doubts after GT climbed back from 9 points. Live and die by Seth Allen strikes again, I'm thankful we lived last night. The free throw shooting didnt give me fits either, so that's nice. The late game turnovers really did however. That was some sloppy play with under 5 to go.

It has become very apparent that there are NO nights off in ACC play. Even the likes of Boston College has managed 2 wins this season.

Pastner is a good coach, Memphis really ran him out of town and GT was wise to pick him up. They are no longer a pushover.

I thought there were several times against the zone where if the player had been looking to shoot as soon as the pass came it would have been a very makable three, but they hesitated and then passed around the horn, giving the D a chance to rotate back. Just looked like we were not playing with the same level of confidence we played with early in the season. We will need to get that back if we want to dance.

Sometimes we live no particular way but our own

I think the part that baffles me most is how often we come out flat in these games. One thing that made us so good last season was that we were always energized to start each game and came out strong to avoid big holes. This season, time and time again, we come out almost apathetic and are quickly down 8-10 points, forcing us to exert maximum effort just to get back into the game.

Clarke is definitely a huge catalyst in shaking out some of that energy because as soon as he entered the game rainbows came down from the ceiling, bunnies began to sing and all seemed right.

I agree with the assessment above that Robinson does better in the prototypical point guard position on the court, but Buzz has the dilemma of leaving Robinson there, which may knock some of the effectiveness of Seth Allen or let Allen have more freedom while limiting JRob a bit. There are two other parts to this issue. First is that our offense is forced to adjust to the defense being employed against us and in recent games it seems all the teams want to run a variation of 1-3-1 against us (except Syracuse) which has forced us to space out our guards away from the top of the key to find the spaces to make clean passes.

Another piece to this problem though is who else can they put on the court? Outlaw has proved inefficient outside of a few three pointers, Khadim Sy seems to only be able to give Buzz about 10 minutes per game which is frustrating but understandable with a true freshman. If anyone else has foul trouble, like Hill did last evening, it puts Buzz in a big hole.

One other major issue I have with this team is offensive stubbornness, which is something we rarely saw from Buzz' teams the last two seasons. This group of guys outside of Clarke and sometimes Leday cant seem to adjust their games to what is going on around them very quickly. Last night, we couldnt seem to understand that Lammers was going to get his hands on everything that we brought cleanly to the hoop. Allowing an opponent eight blocks is ridiculous, find a floating jump shot thats outside his reach, do that a few times and you force the defense to respect the shot and they have to try to close out on the shooters, which should open up the lane to some interior passing.

Bibbs has always been that solid defensively, which is why when he passes up open looks on offense it is extremely frustrating. Even with his three made threes last night, there were at least three chances that he passed on. This is not a team that can afford any starters to go hot and cold so often.

Rob Peterson
VTCC
Charlie/Hotel Company
Class of 1999

I agree that allowing an opponent to block eight shots is frustrating, but I disagree that floaters were the answer. Initially, the Hokies (especially Clarke) kept going right at him with mixed results. But I agreed with the approach. Keep going at him, but work to find ways to be successful.

LeDay had success with the baby hook. Clarke shook him with lightning quick crossovers. And the quick ball movement in the second half got him out of position and forced him to play catch up on rotations. Allen won the game by taking it right to Lammers.

Floaters arent going to always be the answer but they should be a part of the repertoire of approach. Last night we saw it only one time from Hill. The reason I would like to see them use it more is it does some of what you are talking about in terms of getting Lammers to step out to defend. Most of the game he did nothing but roam three feet in any direction from the center of the lane. By getting him to move his feet you create backside opportunities for easy layups like we saw against Syracuse where Clarke controlled the top of the key and Leday would come in from one side or the other on the baseline. This isnt the only game where Tech has had a lot of wasted possessions because of their over dedication to one method of shooting.

With how close these games are proving to be against any given opponent, even getting half those blocked shots back by rotating out to the perimeter shooters or stopping short with a floater could have been a been a big swing in points and momentum.

Rob Peterson
VTCC
Charlie/Hotel Company
Class of 1999

Buzz pointed out in the post game that what makes Lammers so difficult is that he blocks a ton of shots but rarely picks up fouls. Conventional wisdom says you get into the body of a big shot blocker and get your points at the line. That for sure didn't work for us last night. But that kid is a special talent and he's going to make bank at the next level especially as his shooting improves.

"Don't go to, go through"

I figured the Hokies were going to run away with it in the second half. They shot horribly in the first half and were only down one point at halftime. Then the shots started falling and I was sure the game would end up in a comfortable win, but credit Georgia Tech and Josh Pastner. Their defensive game plan was phenomenal. VT was routinely wasting half of the shot clock before connecting on their first pass of the possession, which led to some bad shots at the end of the shot clock. I'm very happy that we won't see GT again this season (unless we see them in the ACC tournament).

GT is going to be a worry in the coming years. Pastner can coach.

In Sam Rogers we trust.

My impression of Pastner at Memphis was that he could recruit, not coach.....more of a Gottfried 2.0.

{But maybe my impression of Pastner was wrong. And it wasn't helpful for Pastner to follow Calipari, who not only is the best recruiter of all time but is one of the 10 best X's and O's guys out there.}

Pastner admits to struggling with the X's and O's but did a bang up job hiring Eric Reveno. Pastner is a hell of a recruiter and also hired two other coaches to his staff that were recognized as being Top 25 Recruiters in the nation in the last several years. Expect them to bring in top talent but also do a superb job improving them, especially offensively. I was shocked at the year on year improvement that most of the regulars this season had from last year. Most of these guys went from mere role players to ACC starting talent. The additional time on the court doesnt equate to the amount of increase in their performances.

Reveno gets a lot of the credit for the improvement seen in Lammers specifically but is also very metric driven and is charged with much of the game planning. Not that surprising considering his Economics degree from Stanford.

This from his bio:

Long recognized as a leader in the use of sports performance analysis technology, Reveno spoke in Sydney, Australia during the fall of 2008 at a worldwide summit hosted by SportsTec, one of the foremost providers of video and technology solutions to the international sports community. The cutting edge approach to technology became a staple of the Pilot program in teaching, player development and recruiting. As a result, Reveno was the lone representative from the United States asked to speak to an audience of performance professionals from some of the top sports leagues and organizations in the world. Dave Telep, ESPN.com Senior Recruiting Analyst, said that, "Reveno is unofficially the most technologically advanced man we've met in college basketball. His new I-Phone is wired up to the point where he's got his recruiting database, clips of his offense, directions to gyms in Vegas AND his favorite Johnny Cash songs all in one."

When Reveno was the head coach of the Portlant Pilots, he had 100% graduation rate over a ten year span. He also led Portland to three 20 win seasons in a row. He also has the tag of a Top 25 Recruiter in his background to go with his reputation for player development and game strategy.

Rob Peterson
VTCC
Charlie/Hotel Company
Class of 1999

This is good stuff.

I think it's also important to point out that Pastner is only 39 years old. Very few guys are coaching savants at such a young age, and he'll grow into the position. In the meantime, he's surrounded himself with quality assistants.

The fact that he's targeted his weaknesses as a coach, brought in qualified guys to help in those areas, and allowed them the freedom to do what they do best is a very underrated aspect of being a head coach. Just looking from afar, it's similar to how Dabo has constructed the Clemson football program. Kudos to both of them.

That was certainly more of a dogfight than I'd hoped for, but I'm glad they pulled out a win.

The ACC is going to be uphill fighting always, and VT still has a ways to go.

FWIW, the ACC Basketball Wheel of Destiny was completed Wednesday: