With the flip of Dylan Rivers and commitments of Devon Hunter and Bryce Watts, Virginia Tech is currently 4th in ACC Rankings on 247. Here is a list of the remaining recruits and current crystal ball predictions leading up to signing day. (BTW I made a part 4 because the last one had like 622 comments
Austin Conner
Vanderbilt 40%, Other 30%, Duke 20% (yeah I don't think we got a chance)
Result: has not committed
Jaelon Darden
Virginia Tech 100%
Result: has not committed
Mekhi Becton
Virginia Tech 73%, Michigan 18%, LOLUVA 9%
Result: has not committed
Brad Johnson
SCAR 67%, Virginia Tech 33%
Result: has not committed
Robert Porcher IV
Virginia Tech 60%, Nebraska 20%
Result: Committed to VT
Zion DeBose
Virginia Tech 100%
Result: has not committed
Bobby Roundtree
Indiana 100%
Result: has not committed
Victor Dimukeje
Virginia Tech 57%, Maryland 29%, Duke 7%
Result: committted to Duke (his loss)
Ameer Speed
Virginia Tech 82%, Georgia 28% EDIT: 50%, 50%
Result: has not committed
Latavious Brini
USF 57%, Miami 36%
Result: has not committed
Tank Robinson
Clemson 33%, SCAR 17% Virginia Tech 17%
Result: has not committed
Keontae Jones
100% Iowa State
Result: has not committed
A.J. Deshazor
50% Virginia Tech, 50% Indiana
Result: has not committed
Tyjuan Garbutt
100% Virginia Tech
Result: has not committed
Dazz Newsome
100% Virginia Tech
Result: has not committed
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#Sauces say lots of good things coming our way, we may have another commit soon
Tomorrow....
;)
Today?
I have to say, I'm enjoying the recruiting period leading up to signing day a lot more than usual this year.
I'll take things never said by Hokies for $1000, Alex.
Nobody's saying it, so I'll say it.
---- Buzz Williams.
You've done a man's job, sir.
Y'all got any recruiting news?
You forgot to mention Laborn
Would be huge, but unless something is going on behind the scenes, he seems 100% Nole. Just don't see it happening.
Not gonna happen, he's not the type of kid to acknowledge he made a poor choice. He's the type to enroll, waste a year of eligiblity then transfer out. Even if he came at the point, he still might ride the pine if Holston pans out and we get slade.
Wish you were SevenLayers right now.
As long as we have some exciting prospects at RB in or coming in. Just been quiet on that front lately.
I've been thinking the same thing. Man, would I would love to get Ricky Slade next year...
What's the word on Jordan Williams?
I love that we are dominating the airwaves.
Let 'em know the Hokies are on the rise. Hop on board or get left behind
I mean I'm not going to put 2 and 2 together but if we can legitimately secure a top 10 class, we can seriously take aim at the golden labia
That should be the official name of the trophy. I can see Kirk saying that as he hands the trophy to Fuente at the end of 18 or 19...
I mean Boulware already tongued the shit out of it. At this point you might need to get tested if you get to hold that thing
It isn't his tounge that I would be worried about.
You don't know where that mouth has been!
But I do know where his hands have been. Until I have more information, I'm more concerned about his digits.
I regret I have but one leg to give!! LMAO.
Can anyone tell me how to see only 247 team rankings (not composite)? It would be much appreciated.
http://247sports.com/Season/2017-Football/TeamRankings
I'm pretty dumb. Can anyone explain what the difference is for composite and not?
Composite takes into account the other publicly available recruiting services.
From their site:
Thanks!
go to the composite team rankings team rankings
on the right side of the page, under "About", at the bottom of the second paragraph there is a link in blue titled "247Sports Team Ranking"
Click it
Super helpful. Thanks. Can't believe it's that difficult to find.
i asked the same question you did; over and over and over
at 28 seconds
That entire video is priceless. I would love to hang out with Marshawn for a day.
right? he's real as hell.
I'm not sure 3*s are going to bump us up much. Maybe he's thinking another 4*? Who is left that is a 4*? Johnson? Porcher?
Garbutt is a 4*
Garbutt and Johnson I'm thinking
Moving on up...
Funny that Clemson isn't on that list.
They are taking a small class this season so lower total score. Their average score is way higher than ours probably. They got pretty much all their top targets.
Yup. They only have 13 commits but their average rating is 92.14.
They definitely landed their biggest ones like Tee Higgins and Hunter Johnson, but they lost their rb (that they needed) in Cordarrian Richardson (decommitted, rumors of grade issues at his hs) and missed on their big safety recruit Xavier McKinney to Bama, who they had put all their eggs in that basket.
Clemson's QB recruiting right now is absolute bananas. The Johnson kid, another 4star this cycle, and then they just landed the #1 overall for 2018 and he looks like Sunshine from Remember the Titans.
Luckily they can only play one at a time.
Don't try to tell Bronco that
Bronco Mendenhall would like a word...
Hunter Johnson is going to be a stud. I'm surprised he isn't higher ranked. I'll take Elite11s evaluations over any other source.
If y'all haven't see last seasons, it was really good. Hunter Johnson was voted unanimously by the other elite11 invitees as the MVP and he wasn't even there half the time because he had to go compete in the state finals for track.
Yeah they run a very simplistic passing game designed around creating one on ones, easy for guys to step in and learn it, plus they have a tons of talent at WR. It's a very easy sell to QB's right now, especially after Tajh Boyd and (obviously) Deshaun Watson have been two of the most productive QB's in the last 6 years. That said, I think they hit the attrition buzzsaw hard in the next few years. If Hunter Johnson is the real deal, I doubt Trevor Lawrence wants to sit for 2-3 years behind him. If Hunter doesn't win the job this year, and Lawrence comes in and takes it, there's no way he's just gonna sit behind a guy younger than him. Additionally, former 4 stars Zarrick Cooper and Kelly Bryant are also on the roster, and they are bringing in 4* Chase Brice this cycle as well.
Everyone needs TEs.
We have NINE 4* commits according to 247
When was the last time that happened???
Per the article linked below, Connor does not have a VT offer
http://gridironnow.com/austin-connor-recruiting/
wrong thread
Yeah that was pretty sweet, hopefully our remaining targets saw it!
(sorry couldn't resist)
Your insight on recruiting is flawless #touchingthetwine
....who down voted my original post? C'mon man.
I count VT as the favorite for 8 additional recruits. There's no way we can take that many, so what has to give?
Isaiah Ford, Jerod Evans, Bucky Hodges, Seth Dooley, Mitchell Ludwig, all the early enrollees...
Edit: Never mind. I see a more detailed explanation below.
I would guess......
Garbutt: vt 95, Pitt 5
Becton: vt 90/UVA 10?
Johnson: vt/USC 50/50
DeBose: vt 80, Pitt 20
Porcher: vt 80, MSU 20
Dimukeje: vt/Duke 50/50?
Speed: UGA 75/25?
Dazz: vt 75/unc 25
Brini: not vt
Really hope we can pull in Johnson and Speed (in addition to the other guys listed). That'd be a heckuva first Fuente class!
Looks like Speed is going to UGA.
If so, that sucks. He should have been in Blacksburg this weekend!
We should have closed on him after 12/9 when he was here.
You're right but I think he is enjoying the process. He set his decision for signing day, so although a ton of crystal balls went vt after his 12/9 visit and some went his way after this weekends uga visit, hopefully we can get an in home and convince him to come join the good guys!
Crystal Balls are going their way after his visit this weekend.
I'm sure Fuente and co. will be making a visit before signing day.
I'm not seeing much value in the CB process at all. It seems like random guessing until one insider gets solid info and then all of a sudden there is a flood of CB going towards one team. This usually seems to happen on the day of a commitment. See today with Rivers as an example.
It mostly seems like guessing based on a feeling or social media status until someone leaks info to someone at 247.
Some insiders have good legitimate info. VT's 247 insiders are very good and pretty damn accurate. One of them had hinted heavily at the Proctor commitment well before it was a done deal and was insisting that Rivers was still attainable which turned out to be fact as well. I only pay attention to crystal balls from people who have a good track record of making informed and factual predictions. VT's guys are some of those people.
I agree wholeheartedly. One of the problems with the Crystal Balls is it allows people without legitimate sources make predictions, which just adds noise and distracts from the people who actually have connections to recruits and coaching staffs.
The VT Scoop gurus have pretty good connections with our coaching staff, so they are a very good barometer of the coaching staffs confidence with particular groups.
Last time I said that CB's and 247 is useless people yelled at me lol
They aren't useless. They're data, and with any data you have to be able to tell what is worth you're attention and what isn't.
One thing they are not are facts, at least, in accordance with the definition of "fact" that most ascribe to.
It is data, and it is a driver of conversation, but it could be misinformed/misleading/unsubstantiated data. So, I agree they have use, but their utility is limited.
Yes my point was (and is) if a sites business model is on having insight and sources then that's one thing. If they change their CBs last minute, and by extension, showing that they don't know any better than the rest of us, then what's the point of paying?
Sounds like a scam / broken business model to me.
We still have time to work on him more, but the momentum has definitely shifted to UGA. For as awesome as our new staff has been recruiting, UGA's new staff has been very elite. They are having an incredible class. Plus, Athens is incredible, so having a late official there is always going to be worrisome.
we have 9 early enrollees this year, who can count against the 2016 class limit. Recall that we had a small class last year (21 of an allowed 25), that gives us room for 4 of those EE's to count as '16. Then recall that we had 8 early enrollees in January 2016 who could potentially count against the 2015 class, so there's no doubt more than 4 slots available in the '16 class for our 9 EE's.
So basically we're looking at up to 34 signees this year, if all 9 EE's were able to be counted against last year's class.
OK. Thanks.
What's up with Jermani Brown? 4-star DB committed to Boise State? Originally committed to Arizona State? http://247sports.com/Player/Jermani-Brown-77359
Brown is from the west coast, just moved to VA for his senior year.
We never had much connection with Conliffe.
Same with the two Canadian kids playing at Episcopal who are top recruits, no real chance.
Ooooh I know something you all don't know...
How do you know that I don't also know the something? We should compare what we each know...you go first.
Appropriate use of this Gif
Is what you know related to some rumblings on another VT board? If so...
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No idea... But I have a colleague who happened to run into a recruit and got a yet to be announced commitment confirmed by the recruit and a very happy and proud family.
Okay. Where did he run into this recruit? I'm dying of anticipation. This weekend has me all jacked up.
You live in Raleigh
What recruits are from NC.
DEBOSE
Will come out all in good time, young Padawan
I hope it is some good news....or is it just some news....or is it a Newsome?
Seems like more and more chatter coming out about this. I personally don't see it, but who knows...
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BAG was Rivers "the Flip" or is there another? And feel free to be as cryptic as you'd like
He said it wasn't
No, Rivers was definitely the flip. But he wasn't the recruit I was told was going to commit and I am still waiting on that one. Tonight was a great start to what is going to be a great recruiting year.
Recruits are waiting on Twitter photos and should see more starting tomorrow.
Great news. Waiting on Twitter photos?
They want cool photo shopped images.
Don't they know... Emma Watson gifs are the best way to get the highest views in Hokie Nation
"They"
Sorry. I use they to keep the dogs off. I believe these next two weeks will have plenty of "they" in them. Starting tomorrow with a "HE"
"HE"? So we're getting a dude?
recruits and they... so we are talking plural?
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Not just any Plural!
Well, it is tomorrow. These twitter photos need to hurry up!
I know it was a pipe dream but I noticed that Shaun Wade has enrolled at tOSU
Yeah, I remember we were hearing some smoke about a big time CB flip around the beginning of January. Don't know who that could be at this point with Wade enrolled. Are we currently pursuing and CBs committed elsewhere?
Newsome
Makes sense. He was still committed to UMD around the time this news came about. Let's hope we can get him.
Maybe but our CB is filling up quickly. It's gonna be interesting to see what Speed and Newsome do and where our coaches focus their time. I can see them only going after one really hard. Need more time with DT right now
Speed is a great player and would be a big get, but Newsome would help with the 757/in state image, plus he appears to be extremely underrated once you watch his tape. Great athlete.
Even though we have been pushing this is home. Our coaches have shown they arent afraid to reach outside the pipelines and its got us where we are now. Taking guys just to take them got us in the situation we are trying to get out of and trimming a lot of fat.
Taking guys just to take them got us in the situation we are trying to get out of and trimming a lot of fat
this can't be emphasized enough.
True. It will be interesting to watch their college careers play out (hopefully both in O&M). Speed is a much bigger CB though. I love what Stroman does for our team but he doesn't always fair well when going up in the air with 6'4 WRs.
So....win/win? That works!
So, according to the numbers for Speed, VT is 82% and Georgia is 28%. Finally, a player that is giving 110%. (Sorry, it's my accounting background......my brain automatically audits the numbers.)
its that extra pu$$H UGA is trying to lay on thick
"Sorry guys, I'm a little light at the moment."
-Shame Beamer
EDIT: holy shit sometimes autocorrect does amazing things
.5 leg for your insight in to UGA's recruitment and .5 leg for your auto-corrector...
Enjoy.
In other good recruiting news, wvu lost their highest rated commitment. A 3 star WR from Florida. They're now ranked 56 in the nation HAHA
Their highest rated was a 3*?
Talk about 2 programs headed in opposite directions
they are tying their futures to next years group. Kind of ignored this year for some reason.
Considering they're starting the year 0-1 I wonder how great an idea that truly is
Remarkable. I really thought that was going to be the strategy for our staff. Fortunately, this recruiting season is looking fabulous with potential for next year to be even better!
Can't let a 10 win season go to waste. Plus if you want talent and want to be better then the work started yesterday not months from now.
True this. I just didn't think it would be possible to pull in this many uber talented players this quickly. Once we have some longer relationships going, just how high is our ceiling? Can we approach FSU/Clemson-level recruiting?
Honestly our old staff deserves alot of the credit for Rivers and Hunter. They started years ago on them and the new staff finished the job. The rest has been crazy but the approach has been masterful.
And no we can get that high. In the ACC we can finish 5th most year buts our coaching is better and will kick their asses when we get the chance.
I think Clemson level is attainable, and still a step below FSU. By attainable, I mean in the same small range as them consistently. FSU is a consistent top 5. Clemson is a consistent top 15 with some appearances in top 10.
I double checked the composite team rankings from 2011-present and my statement on Clemson being a step below FSU as well is verified.
I'd say our ceiling is just below Clemson/FSU. Miami is also going to be tough to recruit ahead of year after year. Keep in mind, the 247 rankings(not the composite) has us as the #2 ACC team (#11 overall) behind FSU. Although I think that has a little to do with the fact that Clemson is bringing in a pretty small class. They landed practically everyone high on their list. A lot of top end talent. Still though. I don't think it's unreasonable to think we can recruit at this level consistently.
Yeah we're gonna need to make a longer, sustained run at excellence to get on Clemson's and especially FSU's level. The staff has, to this point, hit a homerun, so no complaints on my end. But the FSU's have nice things.
Fun story that goes against a typical FSU recruiting calling card: when in high school, me, Andrew Miller, and a few other football players and scattered friends would eat lunch at the same table. Our offensive coordinator let it slip to me that FSU was flying up their offensive line coach to see Andrew that day (keep in mind this was still in the daggum Bowden days)...so eventually word somehow got around that FSU's o-line coach was in town to see Andrew...weird. Anyways, we had had guys get recruited by smaller schools before, but nothing ever on that level so we were all pretty excited for him. He gets to the cafeteria and sits down and everyone is silent kinda looking up from their trays wanting to ask, so I finally blurt out, "so...Florida State, huh?"
Miller: "Eh...too damn hot."
So, for anyone who says Florida weather is huge for recruiting...sometimes, it's not. I also have an Al Groh story on his recruitment, but that can wait for another time.
twss
Wasn't Dana hamstrung by an administration that had him as a lame duck coach for this year before finally offering an extension? I get wanting to be cautious and not giving him a big buyout, but that had to have an effect on recruiting.
Their class is worse than UVA's....
Pretty comparable actually. Their class is smaller but their average recruit is higher ranked. Both classes are trash though.
yea I dont know about that. They are about to lose Becton and are now looking at transfers as their best options. Shitburgers are tasting pretty good for the WVU kissing couzins and LOLUVA Nancys
WHAT ARE YOU TRYING TO TELL ME BAGMAN
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Just answer this for me... will I be doing this by the end of the day?
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This thread has been up for THREE hours and it's over 100 comments. NSD is going to be a clustercuss on here if it pans out the way it could.
It's pronounced "clusterKevin"
If you say ClusterCuss three times fast and spin around, on some football field, somewhere, Steinspring throws a screen pass
Seems like we have more silent commits than UVA fans at a spring game.
Sorry I couldn't resist.
POTD!
Well, right behind the Dylan Rivers commits post, and a few of the Emma Watson gifs.
and our silent commits make more noise
At this point I am really hoping that Garbutt commits soon. It has been a while and it'd just be nice to know if he wants to join the good guys.
Benton would be great since he is OL and the kid is a monster. Seriously, 6'7" 345 lbs? Put him in a weight room and watch out. It'd also be nice to watch the whos shit themselves.
I just read the Speed and Newsome discussion above and it is interesting. Speed sounds like a stud and I believe he was bumped up to a 4* recently. Beating out UGA would also show a lot about this staff. Newsome....just watch his highlights. The kid is a game breaker with the ball in his hands and a 757 kid. We need to get as many of those kids as possible.
I just hope it is good weight, and not like Settle that needed to lose 25 lbs to see the field.
345 pounds is never "good weight". He'll need some time, but that is what redshirting is for.
Now THAT is a recruiting thread!!! Awesome work. I was hoping to see a little higher chance of landing Johnson, but out of everyone left on this list I think Speed, Dimujeke, and Becton are the three I want most.
Well it's pretty clear that the most popular topic on TKP is recruiting.
I also like the commits we've received the last few days. I'm trying to ask PSU people about Rivers but they aren't answering me for some reason...
Recruiting is hope.
Hope is always popular.
Becton and Porcher are in the boat. Staff feels good Brad Johnson. Brad is going to be one of (our) top recruits IMO. Speed will be tough. UGa feels good... VT feels good....
It's been a great month or two on the trail.
Garbutt?
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Either he commits or runs out of time to get on the boat.
I got into with some folks on TSL about this.
I know it's a game. And I know these guys are kids... but he is going to lose his spot if he keeps playing.
He said he wanted to see if Virginia Tech finish ranked and if they won their bowl game.
That was one Virginia Tech was 23 in Pittsburgh was 24
Virginia Tech won it's bowl game in Pittsburgh lost their's, Virginia tech is 16th and Pittsburgh unranked
But, oh wait, now I still have to decide between the two
I keep saying this, and frustrating some people, but I feel like he's looking for a reason not to pick us. He's been to our campus for every game, the ACC championship game, the bowl game - so sure he likes us, but come on
To play devils advocate to this, based on what has transpired over the last several days, is there a chance he has silently recommitted and he and the staff are waiting until just the right time for him to announce in a PR 101 type of move?
Before last weekend I would have been more concerned, but now I feel as though the Illuminati type moves going on have been in the works for literally months...
So I want him to be a Hokie... just odd process
For all I know he's the guy who is waiting on graphics to be made to announce today.
Based on info out there, he may not be the silent commit.
Don't know how much to read into these things, but Dylan Rivers followed a ton of VT commits on Twitter shortly after committing yesterday (Hunter, Farley, Tank Land, Cape, Ellis, Pimp, etc.) and Garbutt was one of them too. Also Garbutt has followed an absolute slew of VT girls lately. So if he isn't a Hokie, then I will be shocked.
Also Garbutt has followed an absolute slew of VT girls lately
Unless he was just playing the odds and trying to get some garButts while he was on his OV.
They were all VT '21 ladies. So not on campus yet either.
Really digging deep into the twitter game I see.
Not really couldn't tell you his twitter handle. But people who analyze recruits have posted about it on twitter. They even say he has a "type".
Edit: that came our wrong. He isn't one of the I tweet at recruits twitter accounts. It's a funny guy who made a great joke on twitter. The information was right there in the open
yeahhhhh....that's too far
Those the types of people that travel across-state to a recruit's commitment announcement
I said that, and it was a joke, perhaps off-color (pun intended), but still a joke.
To be clear, I never tweet at a recruit, good or bad. I simply saw someone post some of Garbutt's recent follows, and it was easy fodder.
I thought it was funny. Didn't exactly take a lot of "digging" to get that info. I was a young man once too I don't see anything wrong with him getting those "digits"
I thought the loss of Dooley was going hurt us this fall but if Garbutt commits, I think he'll be able to fill the void.
Interesting, I find it hard to believe we wouldn't hold a spot for a 4* athlete who can play both ways. Especially since most of the guys we are looking at now are 3* DL. Then again, recruiting is needs based so I could see the spots running out, but I wouldn't be stoked about it.
They really like Garbutt but they aren't going to say no to someone else they really like, just because.
Don't think they care what Shurbutt, Luginbill, Farrell, etc. think.
I agree, I think our biggest needs are DT, CB, and OL.
Does Porcher project DE or DT? Just going by height/weight, he seems to be in between, and we need some help with DT, especially if Dimukeje doesn't commit.
Still hopeful the coaches can get back in Speed's ear and get him back to the good side. Newsome also seems like a play maker.
Becton would just be fantastic, not only because he's a huge OL, but because he has bean leaning toward UVA since as long as I've been paying attention. It just makes you happy when a kid sees the light...
Give me Porcher, Brad Johnson, and Debose at DE.
Give me Dimukeje to play right away at DT like Woody Baron.
Give me Becton because he's huge.
Give me Ameer Speed and Dazz at corner.
Give me all of the defensive tackles in #ExitLight18
If we can land Becton 6'7 to go along with TJ Jackson 6'6.....my oh my, those are some big future tackles
Let's not forget that Thomas Jarrett Hopple, Silas Dzansi, Demetri Moore, etc, are also sizeable humans.
I think you mean TEs /s
Is Becton quick enough to be an OT? I thought he didn't have it. Figured he'd be a huge G for us.
maybe one of them call fill the shoes of 6'8" 328 Parker Osterloh...
I'm amazed at how long this recruiting thread has gone without going off the rails with gifs yet. I suppose it is cause of all the action this weekend.
The milkshake thread was enough of a distraction for a couple days.
It's only Monday. Give it time.
Can we just start the February Recruiting thread with Episode IV and go from there?
And then make the February Recruiting Part 1-3 threads in like August allowing nothing but shitposting
and because it came up in the search and I couldn't resist:
With all the good news recently, I'm tempted to subtitle this one "A New Hope."
"The Voyage Home"
Yes I know, Star Trek, but between it being regarded as one of the better/best ST movies and the connotation with This is Home.....
It seems like we are targeting 5-10 more player.... how much more scholly's/room do we have with this class? Garbutt seems like he is going to commit to us but in reality, there is only so many we can take/fit
The numbers always work
I'm not concerned about the 25/year since we should be well under that, especially with the midyear enrollees counting towards the previous year. It's the 85 number that might require some more attrition or greyshirts. Andy Bitter roughly guesstimated that we have 68 scholarship guys, including the new enrollees (which also matches my list that I made). Add in the 16 commits that we currently have, we're at 84. That leaves one spot.
Meanwhile, we are still targeting Becton, Speed, Newsome, Porcher, Dimukeje, Garbutt, Johnson, Debose...
Basically, some stuff has to go down. We're either gonna be seeing more transfers, a good number of prep/greyshirt guys, or perhaps some guys don't sign with us. I get it, the numbers will work out. But right now, they do not.
Andy Bitter just tweeted out that safety Jahque Alleyne has left the football program but will stay in school. I would expect this to continue over the spring and summer.
I feel like we're really selling out on this class. If we use all 34 spots in this class, we're shutting the door on doing the same fuzzy math next year to bend the 25 recruit limit. I say go for it. Best case, a lot of your recruits are first day starters and we can ease the loss of so much talent this year. More likely they take a couple years but we're well stocked moving forward and don't have to scramble to fill positions like we have in recent years.
Also, this is Fuente's first real class as far as I'm concerned and I want him to get as many of "his" guys in as soon as possible rather than holding back to leave room in next years class.
We'll be fine next year. 25 is an insane number of new faces.
If all 34 spots get used, more spots open up due to attrition in subsequent cycles. It all evens out.
34 spots this year is due to 9 early enrollees counting against the 25 recruit per year limit in 2016 plus the 25 for this year. Attrition does not affect the 25 number, only the 85 total scholarship number.
this. I think there is 13 or 14 Seniors this next year. Plus a few recruits that never make it to Fall camp, lets say 3. Then attrition during/after next season, lets say another 3. Now you have 20 spots. Then you have Spring attendance, gray shirts, etc.
I think next year we are looking at 22 - 25 total recruits.
ID SAY, Generally speaking ....about third of recruits become starters, about third become next man up level, and about a third don't work out for various reasons. So I say load the boat now, while momentum is on our side and there will still be vacancies going forward if we need them in future recruiting cycles.
This is exactly how I usually see it too
Dazz Newsome will announce at 10:10 AM on National Signing Day. VT, UNC, and UMD are his top 3.
Whoever is rumored to be announcing today has got to be one of the DEs...Debose or Dimukeje?
Certainly not impossible that Debose could announce earlier, but his current announcement date is set for a few days after signing day.
Porcher or Becton.
I've heard Porcher.
And Becton has an OV to Sparty on 1/27 - think he still plans to take it.
HardHitt3n is a VT fan.
*thinking emoji*
he offers his photoshop skills to recruits that VT targets. not all come here
And now the over analysis of the graphic can begin:
VT - 1st on the list. Aligned with his head, the smart choice. Best coaching staff and opportunities of the 3: It's a lock
UMD - Aligned with his heart. They've recruited him the longest: Tough to call
UNC - Aligned with his gut. Sometime it just feels right: Now I'm getting queasy
Grade A over-analysis offseason shitpost. Love it.
It is raining today so the gut thing may have some merit.
this just in from the wayyyyy over thinking every little thing on social media party daz liked my comment #hokies with the turkey and a fist pump but I didn't see him like the one above mine of the #goheels lol. hes a hokie!
TWEETING CROOTS IS BACK ON!!!!!!!!
right?
maybe?
Completely guilty of tweeting Hunter and other hokies in the past....it does need to be said dont do it....maybe even the whys of not doing it.
Its never good idea to tweet any players for anything negative though. That's what baffles me. Shai was getting totally blasted.
lol he now ive never said anything negative either, just a fist bump and #hokies is all I ever say just let them know we're here lol.
Will say this re: Laborn. If he does visit this weekend, we would be in good shape given that FSU would likely pull his offer.
Staff is still recruiting him very hard, getting him to visit will be very, very tough though. If they can somehow pull it off, it would be amazing. Not counting on it happening, but we pretty much had no shot at Becton two weeks ago and now look at where we are with him.
Huh.
What's up with Holston? Is he really visiting Minnesota? I don't want to lose that guy.
I like Holston a lot as well and DEFINITELY do not want to lose him, however, you're also talking about the #679 overall recruit and #38 at his position according to 247 (Holston, 3* .8565 rating) compared to #28 overall and #1 as his position (Laborn, 5* .9861 rating).
If they were both interested and we only had one spot, personally I would take Laborn.
While I definitely agree with what you're saying, Holston is rated as a normal running back while Laborn is rated as an all purpose back. If Holston were rated as an all purpose back, he would be in the top ten at that position.
Hmmm, Holston seeing that we are still hard after Laborn and feeling a little chapped about it perhaps. I could see his point. This recruiting game is pretty salty stuff.
I'm pretty sure Holston said right after he committed that he would still take other visits. He seems very solidly Hokie, so I'm not too worried.
Yeah, and he's a definite take no matter what happens with Laborn.
Sounds about right.
I'll believe it when he steps foot on campus.
Apparently the possibility is rumor and nothing substancial
If Laborn ends up at VT FSU will demand the NCAA investigate VT for recruiting improprieties. Hope the Bagman has covered his tracks on his Hardee's coupons.
That's the genius: They are both expired and biodegradable.
Whoever the mystery commit is today I wish he would hustle up ..I've got to get something done today besides refreshing TKP every 2 minutes!
I had a dream last night about reading a TKP thread on Ameer speed committing to the good guys. I may have spent too much time on VT recruitment threads yesterday............
You guys might remember that Saban dropped by to see Ameer Speed in his helicopter last week, well apparently they plan on going after him full throttle if they miss on two other corners they are currently battling it out for.
Just what every player wants to hear - "you're our third choice!"
If a kid wants to play at Alabama they won't care where they fell in the pecking order as long as they got a scholly.
Worked for us with Luther, Nigel, and Dadi.
Somethings $#!t happens
Pretty obvious, to me at least, that if Speed gets a Bama offer that's where he'll likely end up. They are a machine.
I would have thought so too a week ago, but Devon Hunter had a Bama offer and he picked the Good Guys
Some guys want to be on a great team and win. A few want to help make a team great and win.
So if he's waiting for Bama, he's going to wait until the afterglow of UGA has worn off. That may give us enough time to get an in-home visit with him. And maybe that Bama offer never comes through.
In the end I doubt Bama offers him and it will be a UGA/VT battle to signing day. In-home visits could decide this.
This thread is a day old with 200 comments. This is gonna be an offseason for the records boy and gals.
Just so you know the comment I made about a recruit waiting on something to be photoshopped image was supposed to be a joke. Guess I didn't pull it of right. Still good things are coming!
via GIPHY
Cmon BAG, you know we take everything literally here
good things today?
I read the end of your post as:
I thought the recruiting thread was going to take a real interesting turn before I caught my mistake.
BAG you're the man (#teampie) but
I have a feeling some of yall are full of shit and don't actually know anything and are just trying to get attention/legs lol. I hope that isn't the case for anyone, but it would be really easy to fake it.
the cynicism is strong with this one...
I know some stuff. Things are going to happen. Trust my #sauces.
it would be really easy to fake it
It's all about the #sauces
And occassionally, #marinades
Wel piss off then! Haha nah you're good.
Literally all I'm after is be that guy that is given a beer and a pat on the back at next year tailgates.
I've got you, Fam. Drop by the lot 18 party next year. I might even find you something better than Yuengling to drink.
Lot 18Official TKP tailgate lot is going to be awesome next year.After all this good news I feel like I'm going into withdrawal waiting for more.
Someone go check out what Garbutt just retweeted. Can't embed from my phone. It's from when he committed last year
Was going to do so. Got there. Realized... I just do not get Twitter.
And I'm lumped in with the generation that should.
My head hurts from just trying to read through a couple pages.
I'm in the same boat and couldn't have said it better myself.
same.
Garbutt just retweeted his original tweet when he committed to us back in February of 2016.
So...if you retweet your original commitment after decommiting, does that mean you're recommitting?
Yah :D
Edit: 247 working on confirming now.
Oh, well in that case
AND HE WROTE OUT VPISU....dats so fire.
Calling BAG - is this what/who you were waiting for?
I guess his graphics guy never showed so he just RT'd his original from last year
Different guy from yesterday
Otherwise wouldn't have to confirm....
How weird it will be if he post this and then pick Pitt over us? So I guess he will be a hokie, yeahhh!
He has Hokie twitter all sorts of confused.
wrapped around his finger, we are
and that tweet has been deleted.
EDIT: It is still there. Chris Coleman of TSL commented on it and it said that the tweet was not available. I see it on his page.
Still there for me.
I still see it...
So he is a Hokie again?
Ok, here's my updated wishlist, in order, after this weekend:
Becton
Johnson
Garbutt
Speed
Dimukeje
Debose
Porcher
Newsome
There's room for 33 right...something about the numbers always working out...?
Signals up
Porcher commits. And god dammit, Fuente and his GIF game is strong.
Robert Porcher :D
And now y'all know what I knew
Im proud to turn you green brutha! Your sauces telling ya anything else??
That's a nice graphic. Worth the wait.
I'm guessing Garbutt recommited?
247 says something official will be coming out tonight
cool
coming out about Garbutt?
NOTHING OFFICIAL CAME OUT LAST NIGHT.
How does that guy marry Christina Hendricks
He must have a huge....brain...
Re: Porcher. Awesome that the kid of an NFL stud is signing up to play DE / DT for us. There's all kinds of positivity about this..
1. It's cool to have NFL guys in Lane Stadium, and around the program, even if they are not Hokies
2. It's a testament to Bud Foster / Charley Wiles that a NFL vet is willing to send his kid to come play for us. That has to be a big time recruiting win for future classes.
3. Kid has NFL pedigree. Let's feed him and turn him loose in the weight room and see where it takes us.
What is she doing and why do I feel so dirty watching this gif?
Yes
I hope Dimukeje is still a take and that it wasn't him or Porcher. They might be my favorite two recruits in this late push.
I have zero #SAUCE but if I did I think they'd say something was marinating and we should expect news within the next 2 hours.
I can't wait!!
Swing and a miss. I do think Gar#BUTTS will commit soon though.
i'd like to see more defensive committs. I think we are good on offense except for maybe another o-linemen
;)
...what do you know????
If you won't say who ....then say when!
Recent CB's for Speed are all going Georgia's way unfortunately, hopefully Fu can close him during the in home visit
http://247sports.com/PlayerInstitution/Ameer-Speed-at-Sandalwood-144276/...
Tyjuan Garbutt just retweeted his original commit tweet!
https://twitter.com/tyjuangarbutt4
yeah, we're just waiting on some confirmation that he's recommited.
HOPING HE WILL CLARIFY TONIGHT
I'VE REFRESHED TKP LIKE 6 TRILLION TIMES, YET NO UPDATE
Nah. Recommit tomorrow so we get five recruits in five days.
Not unreasonable.
Seriously I'm not sure what the hold up is
Just read where POARCHER verbaled on Sunday but didnt announce till today kinda thinking they are spacing them out on purposeT
Makes sense.
Tech football staff
Age in the profile checks out.
Smartalecky whippersnaper, take a leg and go play with all your electronically-like GIZMOS. Now where's my flip phone?
What's the least amount of kids LOLUVA can sign.
https://twitter.com/hondocarpenter/status/823701642302390272
#sauces tell me it's still more than the number of fans at their spring game
Is your signature your starting five you'd like to see play a basketball game against the Monstars?
I have a feeling Paul Johnson playing basketball would be awkward but I'd still watch.
At the time I made my signature, he was easily the most hatable ACC football coach in my opinion (hence tacking on his name to Arya's list). After witnessing Narduzzi's tantrum this year, there is no doubt another name should be added.
If we played Louisville or Notre Dame more often, I'd have enough ire to make the entire list with opposing football coaches.
Criminy. Just when you think a fire is about burned out, someone throws a dumpster full of gasoline on it.
He was supposed to be their best in state commit too. Now they have 6 top-50 Virginia commits, and one of them is a kicker.
It's a new day, who is the new recruiticorn commitment? Oh wow! This is how the blue-bloods think. Coolness.
Can someone give me a quick overview on how we can sign so many guys? I thought we could only sign 25 guys a year and 247 has us listed at 9 enrollees and 17 committed (my engineering degree says that's 26). Maybe transfers have an impact? Thanks for your help guys!
Long story short. Early enrollees can count towards last years 25 commitment limit.
I don't see how they could take the class we have lined up and not have the EE count towards 2016's class. There were 21 enrollees in the 2016 class 8 of which enrolled early. Some of them count to the 2015 class in which there were 21 enrollees. That leaves 8 spots which the 2017 EE's can occupy. We currently have nine early enrollees and 17 hard commitments or 26 total with another 5-7 targets that we can realistically get in this class so new total of 31-33. So unless there are significant loses from the recruiting class that we are set to sign, 6-8 of the EE's will either have to grayshirt or count towards the 2016 limit.
early enrollees can't grayshirt, a bunch of them (as many as possible) will count towards last year's total...i imagine one or two players will take a prep year/semester and enroll next january
Sorry meant other recruits this cycle not specifically the EE's with regards to the grayshirts. I just think its strange that the VT twitter would say that the EE's will count towards the 2017 class when that clearly isnt whats happening.
Given the context of the question, it looks like the VTFB twitter just fat fingered and meant to type 2016
Scroll up :) http://www.thekeyplay.com/comment/524374#comment-524374
Dang it! I guess I scrolled through too quickly and missed it. Guess I'll drink (the rest of this coffee).
Kidding, that's what we do here, we kid.
Anyone hear anything about Bryce Thompson, 3 star ATH for 2018?
He verbally committed to the good guys already but was reading that USCe has been working him hard, here
Sounds like he's on the fence a bit, since SC is closer to home so that his family/friends can go to all the games but then again it would be good to get just enough away from home like at VT.
They also told him he'd play nickel or safety there, but we told him he'd most likely be WR. His response:
Interesting, don't know anything about him so I don't really know if I should be worried or not, but what I do know is that Ben Lippen is a little private school in Columbia surrounded by big time programs like Dutch Fork. I also have lots of friends who live in Columbia and usually know about the big recruits coming out of the area and they've never mentioned this guy at all.
What's all of this I'm hearing about Pitt trying to flip Proctor? Any legitimacy to that?
Allegedly, Pitt coaches are going after Proctor and Garbutt really hard today/tonight. Proctor caught one CB during his official visit to Pitt a week or two ago. Hopefully he doesn't flip, but it's impossible to know for sure what will happen, especially with how quiet Proctor keeps things.
It's that time of year and we aren't the only team making a final push and trying to flip guys. He took an OV to Pitt in Jan 14 and they are no doubt trying to flip him. I have no info on how that's going other than the modern day tea leaves known as Twitter, which shows is as having an in home with him Jan 16. Considering he committed on New Year's Day at the UA Game, it seems like it would be tough to flip him this late in the game. Others claimed Penn State was going to go after him hard since a "spot opened up" when we flipped Rivers.
Yeah, i also heard PSU was pushing hard for proctor.
Pretty sure that he helped recruit Rivers to Tech so think we're all good here.
both will be Hokies and that's all I'll say about that.
Nardouchey will be Nardouchey
Guys, I've been running the numbers using the last 4 days as my sample.
At this rate, we will sign 365 prospects in one year. Is this sustainable? How will scholly numbers work out?
The numbers always work out.
Don't be shocked if on signing day LOIs come in from Drew Harris and Dwayne Lawson
#sauces
So in 2018 twitter news one of the top WR targets Armani Chatman tweeted
"Got some news coming soon..."
His newspaper delivery must be on its way.
Edit: Wrong thread
Dimukeje got some CB's today for Duke, where he visited last week. That was thought to be our main competition.....but surprise! Here comes Notre Dame, riding in on a golden horse with an offer in late January!
This might cause him to delay. He has visits open, could go this weekend I guess.
Someone should show him highlights from our game vs ND
That move was sick
Wasn't #21 looking at coming to Tech?
Clearly he missed out.
Missed out on a lot of things there.
Notre Dame's roster shows two guys with #21. One is Jalen Elliott who was a class of 2016 Safety recruit that was strongly linked to us, but committed to ND. The other is a CB, Nick Watkins, who was a Junior last fall. Neither player recorded a tackle (Cam made sure of that), so I'm not sure which one played.
After looking into it more, it was in fact Elliott. Notre Dame states that he wore #21 in the game participation section on hokiesports.
I think we passed on him, while recording the measurables they noticed weak ankles.
I get a little giddy every time I watch this
what the hell is up with garbutt?
Agree .. is he recommitted or what...Inquiring minds want to KNOW!
Announcing this Friday between us and Pitt.
If he's going to Pitt, that RT he sent out the other day of his original commitment announcement looks pretty dumb.
He just forgot that his day is Friday. Tonight's commitment is ____?
Hmm..a recruit announcing his commitment right before a big visit weekend at VT.
He's going to announce Friday per 247
#sauces say 99.9% Hokie, but that was the status before a Pitt in home visit today. I have not heard how that went.
EDIT:
Post Pitt visit, my #sauce says he's still 99.9% hokies. Oh yeah, and Bud went ahead and is visiting today to touch base with him.
For review, that means that Bud and Fuente had an in home Monday, Pitt had an in home/in school Tuesday, and Bud is back visiting Wednesday. #recruitingdoneright
In home visit with Narduzzi? Why do I get the feeling our chances just got better?
Fuck Pat Narduzzi
Everyone knows Pat Narduzzi loves salt
and whine!
But clearly not headsets
Serious question, is it wrong to teach my kids to call a bowel movement a Narduzzi? baaahahahwaaa..
assuming you meant Bowel, then I would say it depends. Is it large an odiferous?
Correct......fixed...., my spelling goes to Narduzzi after 10 beers....
wasnt he supposed to take a visit to vt this weekend tho?
It's either going to be a really fun weekend or extremely awkward, if he is
He visited VT last weekend...
All his new follows are VT related and his RT of his earlier commitment is still up as well. 100% CBs to VT. I like our chances.
Hopefully you're right. Doesn't his high school coach really want him to go to Pitt for some reason ?
His head coach is a Western PA guy and has pushed for Pitt all along.
He needs to start supporting the kid instead of having his own agenda.
I agree. His brother played at Pitt and the guy is just enamored with all things Pitt.
Just playing devil's advocate.... would you be saying the same thing with the coach's actions/efforts if he went to VT and pushing for VT just like he is for Pitt now?
Exactly. Some might say "Don't just follow your girlfriend!" unless that girlfriend attends VT.
Rivers has stated that there wasn't a relationship formed with Franklin. He was given one thing up until he committed and then a new behavioral pattern broke out after that.
The girlfriend thing is a coping mechanism. I think it was part of his decision, but I think it's more of a way for Penn State to not have their hype get a wet blanket thrown on it.
My personal answer is still yes.I really don't care who you are, that is that student athlete's choice. See the example of that mother 5 or so years back who openly took a verbal shit on her son's decision on live television. That mother is wrong. You can be concerned, but voice your opinion in full, explain your position, then let the young man make a choice.
Edit: Now with 100x more video.
Fixed that for you. For those interested, at the Under Armour(?) All-American Game Landon Collins committed to Bama and his mom sat behind with no emotion and said Geaux Tigers deadass, after he committed.
I live in Arkansas, so I assumed for a minute he was talking about this story from a few years back.
No, she's still wrong. Say what you want, but if you have a child and their dream is to go to UVA and you embarrass them on national television because you think it makes you look like a good Hokie, you are wrong. Support your kid, or your athlete, or whatever, through their decision. Once they graduate, give them so much shit it makes the turds in Jurassic Park look tiny.
These decisions really are not about the adults.
I was totally joking, I agree it should be what's in the best interest of the student athlete and ultimately their decision.
Aye...his mom would get it though.
Loren Johnson coaches Highland Springs yet VT wasn't even considered a contender for Mekhi Becton until his official visit last weekend. A coach should be able to advise but ultimately allow the player to feel comfortable making his own decision. It certainly doesn't have to involve this much drama .
I hear what you're saying but it sounds like Garbutt really liked VT, committed, and his coach was continuing to be in his ear about Pitt. You support the kid's decision.
I think you let it go at a certain point.
He was at Tech for his OV this past weekend.
Just got home. Who's tonight's commit? Already in or yet to be revealed?
Harbaugh is meeting with Becton tonight, so it would be messed up for him to commit. Also, Garbutt announced that he will committing to Pitt or to the Good Guys this Friday.
Here is a shot from Becton's basketball game last night:
wonder if Harbaugh camped in his backyard too
This worries me more than anything ol' Nard could do
Same here. Michigan lost a 5* OL they were going after and Becton has become their new target. Would have been ideal to get his commitment after the OV but we'll see how it goes.
Today's was the schedule release so nothing tonight. Maybe a 2018 tomorrow and some more 2017 news on Friday
But I want more now!!!
You left out Thursday. For the love of god what is happening Thursday?
We will be beating UNCheat in round ball on ESPN! Duh!
Anyone know which 2017 recruits are visiting this weekend? Is there a list out there somewhere?
REJOIN THE MOVEMENT GARBUTT
Any concerns on Proctor? Seems like Pitt has been with him all day per link....
http://pittsburghsportsnow.com/2017/01/24/tuesday-pitt-recruiting-notebook/
Pitt is after Proctor and Garbutt.
Note that coaches can do an in-school and an in-home visit. sometimes they're on the same day like Pitt visiting Proctor. They weren't with him all day. More like a quick meeting in the morning, then a longer visit at home in the evening.
Everyone ignore anything about Proctor leaving.
He was recruiting Rivers hard to come to Tech he is 110% Hokie
Recruiting him to Tech so that spot opens up at Penn State just like all the salty Penn State fans were swearing that was why they were gonna miss on him, scholly limits. Genius.
Now they have room for all the players we didn't need
Hmmmmm so Proctor had a "good" home visit with Pitt but a "great" in home visit with us
Also as you can see for the VT coaches visit, he's actually wearing VT colors when our coaches visited, also has more pictures, more emojis in the tweet, and more family members in the pics. Based on the twitter pic comparison Advantage-VT
If I were Fuente & Co., I'd fly up to Garbutt this afternoon and then up to Proctor tonight.
read this out loud and had a very confused cubicle neighbor...
Is there anyone else that is excited about the seeming character of the guys we seem to be signing? Most of them speak of hard work and dedication. Really like how Glaze stated he was promised nothing but a shot to work hard and earn a spot. Rivers takes a visit to PSU only to de-commit in person? Character boys, makes men.
I've been watching the sooners get 5 star guys for several years. A bunch of them seem like such prima donnas to me. Give me some blue collar, lunch pail guys any day!
The more I think about it, I really hope Garbutt comes to play for us, becomes a TE/WR and makes play after play with subtle 'push-offs' against Pitt. - icing on the cake
We have the 19th best class in the nation right now. If everything stays the same this would be the best class we have ever signed.
We have 2 more 4*s and a few high 3*s left on the table too pick up
we had the 16th best class back sometimes in the 2000s based on the rivals rankings.
edit: nm 18th so we are close and the composite is a better reflection of the whole recruiting industry IMO.
https://n.rivals.com/team_rankings/2008
The only thing I dislike about composite rankings is some services don't rerank prep kids.
And some services suck out loud.
What's the avg star ranking? The rankings that take quantity into account are silly.
Quantity still matters though, you need to be getting people into your program and numbers mean depth and account for attrition. Also, if you read 247's explanation, the math is solid, they put dramatically more emphasis on your top recruits while affecting the score very little for your lowest rated recruits. This makes it so that having top recruits pushes you up the rankings (as it should) while signing a 2-star on signing day doesn't dramatically tank your rankings (as it shouldn't, your class didn't get worse by adding a player).
Without doing double checking myself, I am pretty sure the 247 rankings only take into account your top 22 recruits. So our class ranking isn't being artificially inflated because we are taking a huge class this year, but it it does effect the ranking of classes for school's like Clemson and Stanford, which have a lot of elite talent, but are taking less than 15 recruits this year.
I think you're pretty close with the 22 number. Image taken from their explanation of ranking, your first handfull of highly ranked recruits influence your ranking the most, while diminishing returns hit hard the bigger the class gets. This image seems to also imply that lower ranked recruits are weighted less, which is interesting.
My experience is that the rankings for recruits at the very high end, say the top 5 to 10 at their position, are pretty solid (with the possible exception of OL's who don't peak in their skill level until they are well beyond college).
Statistically, I doubt if there is much difference between a player ranking of 88 and 92. Fully a third of the players in that zone do zip. And since the vast majority of players at the P5 level are below even that level (there are currently only 9 teams with a 247 average above 90), then coaching, fit, etc. become huge.
I think the team rankings are generally valid through the top 5-10. I would be shocked if there is a statistically significant difference in the performance of classes ranked between 15 and 25.
Frankly, they'd probably be better off assessing classes with the "star" system.
edit: this should be under the thread below
The ranking of the recruits themselves is entirely subjective and often changes in the absence of additional information relative to the recruit. Can the stats be any better than the sampling method?
Relative to class rank, there is no consideration of filling needs, importance of position, or "fit" with the system. I'd like to see assessments more like the NFL draft...what did they need versus what did they get. Being 3 deep in linebackers is great unless you needed defensive backs.
And QB's should probably have a multiplier of 3; ask Les Miles.
If we're not going to trust that rating individual recruits is possible, then this whole endeavor is useless anyways, I think we have to assume rankings are reasonably accurate.
As for needs and fit, in an ideal world that would be great, but in reality no one really knows needs or fit other than the coaches themselves. Any outsider would be making wild ass guesses. And I actually think that the volatility of rosters and extreme attrition in college football balances it all out in the end, so that even if you have a full roster of defensive backs, you could still use more to account for attrition, failure to pan out, position changes, depth, etc.
A position multiplier for qbs would be intriguing though, since recruiting values are already weighted by ranking within a given class (see image above), you could add another variable to each prospect's weight. I suppose they would need a 4-d graph to express that though, so maybe we should get the physics department involved.
and you would never hear a coach spell out our needs because you know that would get turned into recruiting ammunition by other coaches. "Coach Fuente said he doesn't really need a QB this year so you should come play here"
Ugh it's been like 38 hours since we had a commitment. This staff can't recruit.
I have 3 questions.
1. How will the numbers work out, our class is huge?
2. Is it okay to tweet at recruits?
3. Where are Lawson and Harris on the depth chart?
P.s. Politics, politics, politics
1. The numbers never work out. We will have to disappoint a lot of kids.
2. Absolutely. Tweet at them at any and all times. Even if you are upset with them.
3. Lawson and Harris are active and on campus, but not on the depth chart. Fuentes wants to get the most out of them by making those guys earn it.
Hope that helps!
EvenEspecially if you are upset with them.FTFY
What did you expect from a bunch of CUSA bums?
Harbaugh lurking around Becton's basketball game last night. Don't know if this had been touched on yet.
http://www.thekeyplay.com/comment/525795#comment-525795
Someone has real drinking problem here.
Seriously, that kid missed his own mouth by about a mile.
Noticed Brini is now getting CB's for FIU now instead of USF. Looks like the prognosticators know even less on this one than they usually do.
Not surprised while his offer list is impressive he does not have committable offers from most schools. Potential character issues have steered some schools away (VT) while guys like Butch will sign anyone. Look for it to be FIU unless other schools offer as a late take.
Anyone with any updates or sauces about Becton's mindset ? Remember hearing he enjoyed his visit to Virginia tech but hadn't heard much chatter other than that especially with a Michigan drop by by Harbaugh the other day
VT is visiting with him tonight.
Did they bring a sleeping bag and a pillow?
The ol' Harbaugh method, eh
Don't forget climbing trees.
Nothing weird about that, don't be ignorant
Saw where Proctor is announcing tomorrow between VT and Pitt.
https://twitter.com/RDonnellyBG/status/824332989765210116?s=04
wut
Did he not already "commit" on tv recently?
I would think that this means he is gone, why else would he need to commit again?
Didn't Mook end up recommitting to us? Granted, that was months apart and the first time was not on national television.
If Proctor ends up committing to Pitt then we can't fault the staff. They've been pushing hard.
EDIT: Also fuck Pat Narduzzi
This doesn't feel good. I wonder if this will also change Rivers's decision if he flips to Pitt.
Wait, is this guy confusing Proctor with Garbutt?
That was my first thought/hope.
Garbutt announces his decision on Friday, if I'm not mistaken.
Apparently Dazz Newsome turned our recruiter away that was hoping to get Dazz to take an OV. He seems pretty resolute on committing to UNC per the Tar Heels message board.
But as usual the Tar Heel message board is the Tar Heel message board, but things don't look good.
To get who an OV?
Dazz turned our recruiter away that was attempting to convince him to take an ov to tech. Not sure where I'm losing you guys here.
I thought it was somewhat telling that he announced his Decommit from UMD while on an OV to UNC.
I know that many have felt he has been a heading to for VT for a while, but I haven't been so convinced. He may still end up a Hokie but I think its far from a sure thing.
i guess i'm confused BC he took an OV to VA TECH on the 20th according to 247
In other words
He was supposed to but cancelled.
I don't understand the move by Proctor. Would really suck to lose two 4 star players who were once committed to Tech go play for a team who doesn't even have their own stadium. Not to mention Narduzzi is a tool.
hard to say....17 year old boys....u never know
could be bs too ive not seen this anywhere else yet
Hey #saucy folks, we have anything to worry about here?
FWIW, from what I've seen on another board, people with #sauces say it's nothing to worry about.......
Yep, my #sauce which correctly stated we'd flip Rivers says Proctor is solid. Of course, nothing is certain until the LOI is in but this doesn't appear to be a big concern for the moment.
Why are you taking what someone with an agenda on Twitter has to say at face value?
The whole thing reeks of bullshit and a desperate reach to try and get attention to a school that is falling behind. Fuck em. Yeah, Narduzzi visited Proctor yesterday. You know who visited him today? Bud Foster. And you know this Rivers kid who just committed over the weekend? You remember how he said that Proctor was a main influence to get him to join him at VT?
And you're going to take a guy from Pitt with an agenda at face value over everything we've said and heard and read straight from the players themselves?
Seriously?
I mean, he reported an announcement was happening. So either he is straight up lying and reporting #FAKENEWS, or Proctor is actually going to re-announce a commitment which would be weird if he's staying with Tech.
It's not the usual ambiguous report of "he was very impressed by School X" that could easily be spinzoned bullshit without actually reporting something false, so I feel like it's worth the concern.
I repeat... It doesn't pass the smell test.
If he was going to Pitt, he wouldn't have recruited Rivers to join him at VT. The fact he did that isn't some spinzoned crap we heard from insiders to generate clicks, it was a direct answer to a question by Rivers himself on why he chose VT over Penn State. You don't push hard to recruit elite players to come play with you at one school and then 5 days later commit to another school. Even for an 18 year old that makes no sense whatsoever.
Maybe they slid him some Hardee's coupons under the table at the last minute.
I agree with everything you said but its also strange to announce something again that you just announced 3 weeks ago. He already picked VT over Pitt and PSU once. Why do it again? Just tell the Pitt staff thanks for the interest/effort and move on. I'm hoping the guy reporting it just misunderstood his info and made a mistake.
Why do you actually think there will be an announcement?
Because a Pitt insider with an agenda said so?
There might not be. But this guy is connected to Rivals, so its not just some random nobody on twitter. I just don't think someone that's reliant on a paid subscriber base would just blatantly lie about this even if they have an agenda. Seems like a great way to lose all credibility and a job. But, hey, I hope you're right. Maybe this guy just got bad info or misunderstood what was told to him and ran with it.
Brian Williams did it
Also funny because I played HS ball with a Brian Williams who ended up playing at Pitt.
Proctor could put it to bed by posting on twitter that it isn't true if it isn't happening tomorrow
Foster visited garbutt today. So unless he visited both, I think you're confusing them.
He visited both
So he did. Bud's the man.
True. Pitt could of asked for reconsideration I suppose and he at least gave them a "ill recommit date" or something.
What do people know about this @jwgravley guy? He seems to be stirring this all up on twitter based on one Pitt "insider's" info.
Eat shit Pitt
Proctor isn't going to Pitt, this is almost exactly what Mook did for announcement a couple years ago. Just basically a celebration of him coming to VT with friends and family.
I hope you're right, but him announcing on national television 3 weeks ago wasn't enough? He just never seemed like the kind of recruit that liked to "play the game" and be craving of attention, which is why this is so strange if the report of the announcement is true. If he's 100% committed to VT, I don't get why he doesn't just come out and say that instead of stirring up suspicion with another announcement.
Edit: On second thought, if he is indeed planning on making another announcement affirming that he's a Hokie, go for it. I think it would forever endear him to myself and numerous others on here if he publicly tells Narduzzi twice in the same month that he isn't going to play for him.
Proctor has done his share of leading on with VT Pitt and Penn state .. not to the scale of some guys but he still has
It is really hard to tell these guys to leave you alone while still being polite and appreciative of their interest. Can't fault him at all.
he's probably not worried about making random fans on the internet suspicious; players have worked hard to get to this point, if they want more attention, so be it, maybe he wants to celebrate with his teammates and friends
Nothing from our board insiders?
It's times like this where I hate following recruiting... Not because of the recruits doing recruiting things, but the nature of fans to hyper analyze everything that's put on social media to the point where we're teetering towards a meltdown over the unsubstantiated rumor a recruit might maybe have something to say tomorrow, where we're now in a panic demanding our board insiders chime in.
Calm
Down
I'm speaking generally...not Proctor
This weekend is going to just get worse---every prospect that is not 100% solid to a school is going to be getting a barrage of last-minute efforts from others and every tweet, picture, and add on FB is going to be scrutinized to the up-teenth level.
While Recruiting is an exciting process, it can be pretty brutal to follow.
Loved getting a surprise visit from VT #Hokies #LPD #Statement17 pic.twitter.com/gwB0mbC2in— Nathan Proctor Jr. (@Nate_la_gran_21) January 26, 2017 " target="_blank">
I never wavered.....
This wasn't a planned visit where you put on the teams gear who's visiting you. He was wearing that VT gear at school. No longer worried.
I was just getting ready to say the same thing. Good observation.
That is a crazy take. He's wearing a blue undershirt. No one wears a blue undershirt with a maroon top.
I was thinking the same damn thing. He even has on a bit of the same blue on his shoes. No one matches their shoe color with their undershirt.....not even us old heads
Edit: obviously a staged shirt, but at least he was willing to put it on and smile.....not many proctor pics with a smile til this week
i thought that too but it also doesn't look like Pitt blue. If anything it looks like Tarheel blue...
Judging by the banner behind him, it looks like his high school colors.
It is definitely the offseason.
That's the blue that Lackey (his HS) uses. He probably had on a school t-shirt that day and Bud brought him a VT one for the photo-op.
VT coaches visit: Great in-home visit!! #Hokies #LPD
Pitt coaches visit: Good home visit with #H2P
VT coaches visit: Loved getting a surprise visit from VT #Hokies #LPD #Statement17
Based on my always solid deductive reasoning of selected adjective usage and subtle differences in emoji and exclamation points, I would say we have nothing to worry about...
Proctor is smiling.
Doesn't Narduzi walk out of his house with a snow shovel at the end of this?
FWIW.....Proctor just twitted a picture of a sueprise visit from Bud today
This thread is quiet as a mouse compared to a day or two ago. We need some BAG w/#sauces.
Side Note: I hope to God that French is fishing. Been thinking about keying up. Would that pay for some more fishing trips for him?
Key up brutha! That'll keep French fishing until he posts up some knowledge for us all. TKP first then look into the Hokie Club for the Drive for 25 campaign.
Everything that I know is already out in the option. I am strongly convinced that there is nothing to worry about with Pitt or PSU.
This is all set up for a strong finish with this weekends OV and some other players leaning our way. I dont think we get everyone and Im not putting anything past our coaching staff.
Prediction:
Newsome to UNC
Brad Johnson to USC-e (but barely)
Speed- the good guys
Wardlow (50-50) Signing day decision
Debose- The good guys
Garbutt- The good guys
Victor D.- Duke
Becton - VT?
Sorry I knew I'd forget some
Becton- good guys
Proctor- 150% dedicated to the good guys!
Pitts just stirring shit to make them look important
I'm from WV, but I don't like WVU anymore than the rest of you.
HOWEVER, between Narduzzi and some other things Pitt has done over the past couple years, I feel a strange sense of understanding with WVU and their disdain for Pitt.
Can't speak for everyone, but methinks you underestimate my disdain for the cousins.
I dunno. When you grow up in the midst of them and then reveal that you're going to VT, you learn how bad some of them can be real quick.
The only difference between my hate for them and a lot of VT people's, is that I make a point of separating the school from the state. WV is beautiful, Morgantown is crap.
As a fellow WV native - it is really hard to do that. For most people in my part of the state, if you live in WV, you have to cheer for WVU.
Can someone help clarify the situation with Newsome? Does he feel that slighted about our late offer that he's going to spurn us out of spite? Or is there something else going on behind the scenes pushing him from VT? You would think with the family ties and Hunter actively recruiting him that he would be a lock to come here. Just don't understand the dynamics on this one.
UNC wowed him at his OV there. Wants to make his own path instead of in the shadow of Hunter and others. I mean he could end up here but that my prediction.
The coaches arent giving up on him yet. But he did turn down the option to come to both OV at VT
I've heard that they already gave him his undergrad degree with promises of getting his Masters when he signs his LOI.
Well, that's a shame. If we're out on Newsome, I really hope we can land Speed.
Speed >>> Newsome.
Hope UGA and Bama pass
Disagree. Newsome is incredibly dynamic. Want him here on his own merit.
Speed got some $$love$$ from UGA this month and it has me a bit worried.
Well if he ends up going to UNCheat, he gets an official visit to VT on Oct. 21st by default...One he may not enjoy.
Is there anything he would learn at an OV to tech that he doesn't already know. I assume he's been pretty close to the program.
Seems like if you were going to spend four years of your life somewhere you would go on the OV....Also noticed he decomitted from MD the day after the OV to UNC.....that cant be good for us
hmmm...when you mentioned that he has turned down an OV...was just reading through the BAGman link a few comments below and came across this nugget:
I have absolutely zero sources and am kind of amazed if this stuff actually happens, just thought it was interesting and wanted to share...
Laborn would also fall into this category
Wouldn't surprise me with F$U involved. It seemed like the whole "we'll pull your offer if you visit elsewhere" bs was just a bluff. That could actually be the case, but I have a hard time believing they would do that to a 5* recruit from an area they have been heavily recruiting the past several years.
As BAG said they really wowed him on his visit, and maybe he sees his skill set translating better into UNC's secondary. They run a very traditional cover two with deep safeties on almost every play, very very different style than we play. Lots of things come into play with these situations.
Not to mention he can be an immediate play-maker since their secondary didn't have an interception through like week 10. I don't even know if they ended up with one.
They had two really good corners but they might have lost both of them, but I agree, his path to the field is much easier in baby blue.
any corner we recruit should assume they will be starting in 2018. We will lose Stroman and Facyson, very well may lose Alexander. Maybe Mook goes back to CB or he stays at Nickel.
But Watts, Capehart, Newsome, Speed and Nelson should all assume they have a shot to start at CB in 2018.
Alexander isn't going anywhere and we have ladler and rogers as well.
They ended up with one. At least they managed to barely get more points than that against us.
That int came against a very unimpressive team.
Wardlow, the DE/OLB from DC who is committed to Maryland? When did he get a VT offer?
He's got helium, as they say. Getting a lot of attention in January. In for a visit this weekend with his teammate (and fellow DE) Tyree Johnson.
I'm not sure how we would take both of them, presumably Brad Johnson would need to pick USC'e.
As always, much appreciated BAG!
interesting, you think we land Speed despite UGA's final push?
Could be a situation where UGA might land another CB and rescind his offer/Speed be personally discouraged from committing to Georgia.
And now BAMA coming in on Speed?!?!?! OV this weekend? How is this late push going to work out?
Well... its not good for us.
Anyone know what time this is supposed to happen today?
Proctor is supposedly tonight. However I read the lone source saying that he's making a decision, and it says "multiple media outlets" are reporting that he'll be "deciding" but I have scoured the internet and twitter and haven't found another source. And that site reporting that is a Pitt blog. So I'm not worried.
The "source" in the original tweet is also behind a paywall. Could be fishing for subscriptions.
https://twitter.com/thomasguerry/status/824606261748662273
Strong
Here is it embedded:
Guerry is one of my top 5 favorite follows on all of the Twitter
Something slightly OT, r/CFB is having an AMA with the National Recruiting Director for Rivals/Yahoo Sports today at 11 AM if people want to ask recruiting questions in general. AMA here.
Regardless of your opinions on Rivals, Mike Farrell is a good dude and this is probably worth checking out. I saw some of the questions people were posing yesterday and there should be a lot of good insight into the world of recruiting.
EDIT: Interesting start here, this is Mike Farrell's response to "Is recruiting as dirty as most people believe it to be" paraphrasing.
For us old timers, Mike Farrell is definitely not a good guy. When Rivals was getting their start, it was Farrell who created and distributed the false rumor that VT only got Kevin Jones because we offered his dad a job in our S&C department.
Farrell went balls-to-the-wall for KJ to PSU that year and when it didn't go his way, he held that against VT for a long time.
One of the reasons I hated PSU long before the Sandusky scandal came to light.
Mike Farrell = Matt Ryan + Pat Narduzzi
Thanks for the posting this. I also recall that. I believe he was fed this "information" by Al Golden, complete jackass, who was at PSU that season.
I live near Gamecock country and grumblings are that Brad Johnson is set to make his decision today or tomorrow. This seems to be a true 50/50 situation. Both Muschamp and our guys had final in home visits yesterday.
http://www.thestate.com/sports/college/university-of-south-carolina/usc-recruiting/phil-kornblut/article128821834.html
good info right there...!
Johnson's recruitment has been a long, well thought out process. His coach went to USCe but is no way pushing him to one school or the other like Garbutt's coach. I wish him well wherever he chooses, he seems to have handled his recruitment really maturely.
coach is WAY too involved
Basically every coach in America worth their paycheck handles their players' recruits this way.
Perhaps I'm reading more into than I should. If he's there as an extra pair of eyes and ears to make sure the player has asked all the right questions, fine. Sounded to me like he was surnaming the decision.
edit: What is currently posted is not the Wednesday article I commented on.
I guess we're riding this thread into NSD? Or is a part V in order prior to NSD...
Definitely should start part V sometime after the Garbutt commitment tomorrow
Personally I think we should just fast forward to part VI: The Return of the Hokie
Agreed. Its the best of the three.
I prefer The Hokie Strikes Back, myself
There will be a Feb thread started either way no? So my highly Virginia Tech educated guess is that we will get a dual purpose Feb recruiting thread with an emphasis in NSD.
NSD should be its own thread, one for each LOI that comes in. So each player that Tech confirms should get their own thread.
UNC just had two db's recommit. One is 2018 DJ Crossen
Edit: just one decommit, still DJ Crossen. His Twitter name is Braylen Nazir for reasons I can't tell you.
Thats great. We were right there before the commit to UNC out of nowhere. Seemed way too premature.
Same HS as Hooker.
Maybe that will make Dazz sway back to the exit light enter night.
Speaking of 2018 North Carolina guys, I REALLY want Tre Turner.
6'4" 175 who has reportedly narrowed it down to UNC and VT. He could be a legend.
Anybody else but me hate the dang 50/50? At least give me 51/49. Anybody have any more info on this guy? Haven't heard much about him on the threads.
Probably haven't heard much because he is class of 18.
Missed that one. Thanks.
There's four predictions. So, the best you could get is 75-25.
One of my all-time favorite movies.
I could find myself cheering for multiple Tre(a) Turners.
Does he have wheels like the National by the same name (at least in pronunciation)?
Coaching staff still working hard at landing Mekhi Becton. Louisville and Michigan came this week too tho.
We should feel very, very, very good here btw.
Can someone please get Vice a pair of black shoes?
But he's wearing a brown jacket!!!
What color is the belt? Red?
Yeah, there's that too. I was trying to go easy on the guy.
I'm just happy to see that he's not wearing a rubber suit. I prefer my OL Coach to look uncomfortable in a suit.
Brown coat, navy pants, brown shoes
He's ok
Agree with you, but I really thought those pants were black. With navy pants the brown shoes are okay but a clean consistent look we don't have.
Boy, is it the offseason, or what?! There hasn't been a commitment in like 3 days. I don't know what to do!
If my Navy grandfather taught me one thing it's to hate brown shoes. *grumbles something about aviators*
As a former brown shoe I resemble that remark! Lol
must....not....downvote....and....respect....grandfather....
Might be old hat to some, but fascinating read while we wait for more news. Inside the life of bag men in the SEC (though they imply it applies almost anywhere).
Meet the Bag Man
Drink!
http://www.thekeyplay.com/comment/526371#comment-526371
Eh, his was hidden in a hyperlink, I assumed it was a random image of cash when I read it.
I will take a drink though, thank you.
Haha all good I was just meme'ing it up.
I mean, duh.
This is like the best of example of non-news being made into a big deal. Pitt was never get him.
Narduzzi angry is smash headset!
oops, leaving it as it is though.
What CLICK BAIT. This guy tweeted out everything related to his "announcement" and not one word from the kid. What a joke.
He traded clicks for credibility. I'm glad TKP doesn't do that.
how legit is this guy?
Wonder how many Rivals Pantherlair subscriptions got sold from this crap rumor.
Nathan Proctor
will be sticking with the #Hokies overwas never considering flipping to #Pitt. I just said that to, you know, kiss Nard's butt a little bit to make it look like he's doing better than he is so he'll give me more scoopage.Well no shit
This was always a desperate move by Pitt to get attention. I'm just disappointed more didn't see through the charade.
Victor Dimukeje to Dook .. not a big surprise I suppose.
Does suck though. We need explosive young DTs in the pipeline in a big way.
any thoughts on why he would choose duke? especially a defensive guy
Think I remember reading something about academics for him. Can't do much better.
His offer list was heavy academics. At least he didn't pick MD.
any word on what time Garbutt will announce tom?
6. I wouldn't expect a big deal either. Probably just twitter or some sort of statement. He's being leaving clues all week.....
No video of a super fan jumping with him?
Hell no.
Please no.
God, please do not let that happen again...
I'm starting to think you guys don't like me.
Praying you're joking.
Your even slower than you act, superfan. /s
But does superfan know the difference between your and you're? /s
Don't stress it. We're good.
This thread is too long....
I would like to officially announce, this thread is being converted to Tight End....
A 6'7" thread? Definitely a
QBTEWR.Too much talk about changing positions and we'll definitely transfer to a new thread
That's statements, with an 's'. Maybe over analyzing but I like the sound of it.
That's what I took away from it too.
I believe that Brad Johnson is deciding between us and USCe today as well.
From Brad's coach (courtesy of SECcountry.com):
Statement #1:
Yesterday we got Garbutts handed to us by UNC.
Statement #2:
Today we get Garbutts back in the recruiting game!
Brad Johnson and Garbutt on the same day would be sweeeeeeeet.
Both 4 stars, if I'm not mistaken!! Add Becton, and Speed or Newsome, and that would be a heckuva finish!
No on Newsome and Speed may get an offer from Alabama since they lost a JUCO CB recruit.
I still stand with my predictions about. Speed may be tricky if Alabama offers.
It's pretty lame that other schools like us and even UNC put all of this effort in for years on guys like Speed, only to have Bama offer like a week before Signing Day and swipe them up.
Same thing we did last year with Tyree Rodgers. It happens.
Becton this year. Really didnt put the heat on him till OV. LOLUVA looking around like a lost kid in a crowded mall.
via GIPHY
for a while they were in denial
"he's been a wahoo fan his whole life, he's just getting their hopes up before committing to us."
I think they've finally come to terms with it.
As soon as Saban took that helicopter to go see Speed it was going to be tough.
Unfortunately I think Newsome is "already gone" as the Eagles once said.....I am very hopefully for Becton, and Speed...Although I think Becton has already said he will not announce till signing day.
At this point, I think Speed is far more crucial than Newsome anyway. Don't take this as sour grapes, but if Newsome doesn't exactly fit our coverage schemes, it seems like we would be going back down that path of taking athletes with no natural fit on the field. He's an exceptional athlete, no doubt, but if we don't really have a clear path for him to see the field, I say go full court press on the guy who is a natural corner and can make an early impact.
"Brad Johnson and Garbutt on the same day would be sweeeeeeeet."
YES Please!!!!! .....I will take one of those DAYS TO GO !
After running some statistical analysis (looking at who Brad Johnson has recently followed on Twitter), I'd say we have a 34% shot of landing him.
If you look at who Garbutt has recently followed, it's a much different story.
Garbutt is single handedly going to follow ever woman that is in the class of '21 at VT. Boy's putting in hustle.
Plant the seed bra.
haven't come across one of those before
No no, don't plant the seed.
Don't be a fool, wrap your tool. You're just about to start college.
Before you Pokie, cover your Hokie.
*Wrap your Hokie before you Pokie
I will be forcing this into as many regular conversations as I can effective immediately
New meaning to the phrase "do the Hokie Pokie""
that's what its all about!
or at least it was back when I was in school...
I go back and forth between thinking having Twitter, Instagram, and Snapchat when I was in college would've been the best thing or worst thing ....
ICQ an IM was bad enough. UH OH!
You at least had Aim and College only Facebook right? With the search option for "open for anything"
AIM - yes. Anyone else remember when they limited your "Buddy List" to 99 users? After all, who could ever have more than 99 friends? I had some solid 3EB and DMB song lyrics in my profile and away messages though...
FB - no. I graduated in Dec 2002 and Facebok didn't launch until Feb 2004. I started my current job in Summer 2003 and love telling people how I've been working here since before Facebook existed. And by "love", I mean I feel ridiculously old.
Fun Fact: I had my buddy list separated into 2 categories. Buddy-ros and FAM.
I have the same debate regarding a certain app that came out in 2012, the year after I graduated
He's going to need one of these.
http://m.imgur.com/gallery/RG4KkXN
Does anyone have a list of which recruits are visiting this weekend?
i know debose is
So I have a question: is there a reason we (TKP, VT fans, etc.) almost exclusively use 247's rankings? Has anyone ever researched their accuracy over the years in terms of which recruits panned out compared to other services?
Just curious. I feel like I remember a time when they first started out that people hated them cause they "disrespected us" and then one year it totally flipped.
1. Yes TKP (as most college football fans do) uses whatever service supports their argument the most. ESPN gets praised for being good if they have a guy at 4* that no one else does.
2. I've actually looked at how current players were evaluated, and compared to the industry, 247 does the best for us. I based it off of of who has contributed the most to the team the last few years and who gets minutes. The vast majority of our starters were rated higher by 247 than the industry. So it looks like they are most accurate for us.
well alright then, thank you sir!
To add on to what NerdMagic said, 247 has two rankings.
The composite, which is an average of scout, rivals, ESPN and 247. Meaning its "the industry rank".
http://247sports.com/Season/2017-Football/CompositeTeamRankings
And their own rankings.
http://247sports.com/Season/2017-Football/TeamRankings
The composite is probably the least biased way of reporting. 247s own rankings are the more accurate ones I researched. So it depends if you see people using the composite or 247s own. Both are provided by 247. But that's likely why you see 247 referenced more overall.
247 is a composite of the major recruiting websites. It's not strictly their own.
but they also have their own. That's the smaller number in the ranking of classes.