Yep. Has been hinted at several times over on 247 as well, but the mods have said very little (basically just that there was an injury). Would have to think this doesn't sound good so far.
Hoping his situation turns out better than Outlaw.
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Yep. Basically have to prepare for the worst news possible, which it sounds like we may be getting very soon, and if we hear anything better than that we can be relieved and hope he returns healthy and stronger than before. Hate this for the kid though, he had already worked so hard.
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By that logic, Isaiah was drafted criminally late because of a knee injury. However, it was recent that he tore his meniscus. Still do not know why he was drafted criminally late.
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Dolphins rookie WR Isaiah Ford (7th rd) had knee surgery today, source says. Timeline for his recovery is TBD, though IR is a possibility.— Mike Garafolo (@MikeGarafolo) August 2, 2017
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This absolutely blows. I feel completely deflated hearing news like this. From all indications, it doesn't look good. But then again, there were all sorts of rumblings back in the spring when Murphy was carted off the field. Sounded incredibly serious then, but it looks like he is fine. Hoping for the best, but it doesn't seem good right now at all. I'm sure the staff won't say much about it until all the facts are known.
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Part of me thinks this is one of those things where its one step backwards for 2 bigger steps forward down the line as he'll be able to play into 2021 if he stays through his eligibility. It allows us an additional year to help build up WR depth and by the time we hit 2019 and 2020 we should be rolling with a deep, young WR core.
Might make for some pain this year but I completely trust this staff to overcome. If there is one thing our coaches are good at, it's finding possibilities to get the ball into situations for us to excel. One injury does not change that.
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I agree. The ligament being fully repaired is on the short side of that... being able to cut on it at full speed without second guessing anything is on the high side of that.
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I think you're severely underestimating how far medicine has come. I'd say 9 months max. Especially for a student athlete who will be in rehab daily, getting some of the best medical treatment around. Oftentimes, a big time sink in rehab is rebuilding the supporting muscle but many of these athletes see little to no drop off whatsoever in strength.
Source: Blew my ACL out at Tech and had the former team surgeon patch me up. Told me all about the process.
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That's enough for me. So much of an ACL injury is mental. If it is an ACL tear, building the confidence to take reps and cut without hesitation is almost as big a challenge as the physical rebuilding process.
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Doctors generally recommend 6-9 months to return to competitive athletics. I'd classify college ball as elite competitive athletics but I think 9 is the maximum. Additionally, the method in which ACLs are repaired has changed. For those who don't know the procedure, there are three main techniques:
1) Donor Ligament - A ligament is taken from a cadaver and scraped to reduce immune complications. This is not recommended for healthy individuals that are in their 20s.
2) Patellar Tendon - Doctor cuts out the middle strip of the patellar (knee cap) tendon and uses that for the ligament. The patellar tendon then scars over the removed area and is just as strong while the new "ACL" is health, live tissue that is screwed in to both ends of the knee.
3) Hamstring Tendon - Doctor performs a similar procedure to the pattelar tendon but cuts out a slice from where the hamstring meets the knee.
Out of the three of these, the patellar tendon graft is recommended the most. Donor Ligaments used to be far more common but have fallen out of favor as it is now easier and healthier to avoid foreign tissue in these transplants.
Furthermore, especially for an athlete, their recovery time is far quicker than a non-div 1 athlete. The average person is typically limited by the amount of time their health care will cover with a PT. Having basically 24/7 access to CPMs, whirlpools, electrostim, and other equipment that is expensive and difficult to use, accelerates the process over what an average person or college student will have.
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I'm not doubting the procedures, but I do remember when Adrian Peterson came back from his ACL in 8 months it was considered a miracle because it had never been done before.
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He was also operated on after only 6 days which is unusual. AP is a freak of nature. Dr. James Andrews said the inside of his knee looked like the knee of someone that had never played football before.
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From an NFL dot com article "I can't believe it," Andrews told them, in a conversation recalled by Peterson's father, Nelson, during a phone interview. "For this guy to have played as much football as he's played his whole life, and not to have hardly any wear and tear, it's incredible. I've never seen a football player, especially one who runs and cuts as much as he does, with a knee in that condition. It's like a newborn baby."
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8 months seemed like a miracle because half of your commentators are stuck in the 80's and 90's when a 8 month comeback would have been impossible. It's common to have injured athletes return to athletics after 6 months https://www.emoryhealthcare.org/centers-programs/acl-program/recovery/re.... That would pur Farley at a March estimated date to get in the weight room and catch up physically. And it's not like he won't be lifting the whole time. As long as there isn't meniscus damage, he could be using machines that provide stability (like a leg press) to minimize muscle atrophy.
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As somebody who's had a few of these, including both cadaver and patellar tendon procedures, the rehab and recovery from a cadaver graft is about a millions times better/easier/less painful then the patellar tendon graft. I know there are legitimate reasons for going patellar over cadaver, but my last 3 were all cadaver and I would continue to make that decision in the future if it keeps coming up.
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The main knock on cadaver grafts is that they are more likely to retear. The recovery is more painful for a patellar graft but has the best long term outcomes.
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I did have to give up skiing, but I have now managed to go 6 years without a major knee surgery, which is 4 years longer than my previous streak.
My first one (patellar) they were still doing the graft straight over the top, so it just kept the bones from moving front to back. By the second one they'd figured out that it needs to be at an angle across the top to restrict twisting, and the feeling and stability is significantly better.
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Hate to see this happen. If it's any consolation, he'll have a redshirt so he won't lose a year of eligibility and won't have the pressure to rush back to action. Gutted for the kid.
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Sure it does. Florida lost their star safety for the season and WVU lost their leading tackler (LB) weeks ago. But you only really hear about it happening elsewhere when it's one of their big time players. My bet is we just think it happens more because we're closer to VT than other programs and therefore hear about everything the second it happens.
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This. Very few outside of VT (and probably a lot of VT fans) even know who Farley is. This won't get reported anywhere outside of Virginia. I can't imagine that every other program in America gets through camp without losing an important, but currently unheard-of guy here and there
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Very few outside of VT (and probably a lot of VT fans) even know who Farley is.
This is one reason it's hitting us so hard. After the spring performance, I think those who were aware of him had the feeling that the rest of college football would soon be wondering just how they ever didn't know about him.
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Don't get me wrong, this news sucks hard. No way I can debate that. I just don't think we should feel like we're cursed by injuries because they do actually happen everywhere
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Fortunately for us our S&C program will continue to be a considerable improvement over the previous staff regardless of whether or not you want to crown Hilgart.
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I believe VTfencer is referring to the process Hilgart takes, as was described by Foster in the first day practice interviews. Foster mentioned using the modern techniques to prevent injuries during the season.
Of course, this doesn't make it definitive, but it's not based on the size 300lb lineman as you mention.
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Mike Gentry is one of the most respected SC guys to ever do it.. And we had 6 healthy hoops players during key stretches last year, and a spring game injury list that was two pages. To definitively state as fact that this is an "improvement" hands down over Gentry's body of work is irresponsible IMO, and not supported by any data, really.
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I don't think relying on the word of Bud Foster is irresponsible. Bud Foster said he loved Gentry, but the process has modernized and should prevent injuries.
And there very well could be loads of data supporting the Hilgart's process and it's improvement over classical techniques that Gentry used. That seems like a question/segment for a reporter to inquire with HIlgart about.
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Don't move the goalposts to the number of 300lb linemen when you're called out for passing judgement based on the number of injuries we have relative to the supposed dearth of injuries at other programs.
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Fine.. Our spring game injury report was two pages.. Our hoops team had more scholarship players in street clothes than jerseys last year. We have two hoops guys with torn ACLs right now and now Farley.. Don't give me "vastly improved" nonsense with no data.
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Saying the injury report was two pages long for dramatic effect doesn't constitute a statistic. How many injuries did we have relative to other ACC schools of similar quality?
It's also flat out wrong to claim we had more scholarship basketball players in street clothes than jerseys last season, and even if that was true three of those players were being redshirted deliberately for non-injury related reasons with Devin Wilson also sitting out.
Don't give me guff for not having data when you're sensationalizing.
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OK, there were 38 players listed as "out" for the spring game, better? And I am waiting patiently for your proof/numbers/stats/evidence of the "considerable improvement" from Hilgart vs. Gentry. You posting that for dramatic effect/sensationalizing doesn't make it true either.
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You need only look at the body progress pictures circulating VT Twitter for the considerable improvement you're asking about. Do you think Dadi Nicolas would have plateaued at 225 for two years under Hilgart when he is out there adding nearly 30 pounds to guys like Terrell Edmunds in 18 months?
If you'd prefer to die on the injury hill we can talk about our smattering of RB knee injuries in 2014 or any number of other injuries that happened under Gentry if we're knit picking. Hilgart doesn't have nearly as much to do with the injury report as you'd like to believe. Frankly I don't know why you're so mad.
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Twenty players missed Tech's Spring Game with injuries, including several prominent names – defensive ends Vinny Mihota and Trevon Hill, receivers C.J. Carroll, Eric Kumah and Henri Murphy, cornerback Greg Stroman, and nickel defensive back Mook Reynolds. All of those guys should return once August practices resume, but their absences made for ragged practice periods at times and even some uneven flow during the spring game.
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Even if the numbers are right, using Spring Game injuries is a pretty poor metric to gauge a S&C program. Because it isn't an actual game, many sit out that would have played if it were a regular game anyway.
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As was said above, injuries happen to everyone. We were extremely lucky last season in this regard. The difference between the Alabamas of the world and the Virginia Tech's of the world is quality depth. It's not as likely for an injury to ruin Alabama's season because they have 2 more 4-5 star guys behind the starter. A few years ago when Motu got hurt, we were starting a walk on MLB (who still performed about as well as could be expected). This season, if we have linemen on either side of the ball go down, we'll probably be in a lot of trouble. If we develop adequate depth at those positions, we'll be able to weather these storms a little better and they won't seem like such a kick in the nuts.
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Well we have a million of them on Scholarship- so let's see what Wiggins can do- its like the OL- plenty of bodies..need to coach them up- no excuses. If Wiggins can't get 2 out of Murphy, Kumah, Patterson, Denmark, Jefferson and Clark ready to play to compliment Cam and CJ, then frankly he is coaching in the wrong league. I'm not even counting the true freshmen.
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I feel like I've heard good things out of the staff about Pimpleton and Clark already, and the rest have had some time in the system, so I think we'll be fine.
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Agreed, I think we still have plenty of offensive talent. However, I think Farley had a chance to be a game changer. We have speedy receivers and we have guys with size who can go up and get the ball, but Farley was a rare combination of both. And it was evident at the spring game his speed would be very difficult to defend. Someone is going to have to step up and become a dominant deep threat on the outside. Big picture, we will be ok, but this is definitely a major blow.
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This is true, but I would say having such a dynamic game changer player at the QB position is more likely to define a season than a WR.
Not trying to bash on Farley here. No doubt the kid has a ton of talent, and I hope we get to see it on full display next year (if the injury is as bad as is being rumored). I was really looking forward to seeing what he could do, but has there been anything indicated that his impact to the team would be anything close to the type of impact that Vick had? Is there any team in recent years that you can think of that all other players being the same you can pick out a WR and say "man, that team would have had a completely different season without him"?
Point being, yes the loss of Farley for the year, if that's what it ends up being, will sting. But I am confident that we have the talent levels that someone will step up, fill the void, and the loss won't alter the outcome of our season.
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Is there any team in recent years that you can think of that all other players being the same you can pick out a WR and say "man, that team would have had a completely different season without him"?
I think the bowl streak ends and we don't get to 10 wins if the last two years didn't include IF1. The Pitt game last year comes to mind as an example, but there were others.
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Is there any team in recent years that you can think of that all other players being the same you can pick out a WR and say "man, that team would have had a completely different season without him"?
I'm of the opinion that Mike Evans won Johnny Football that Heisman. That dude bailed aTm out countless times.
I don't think I'm ready to say Farley is at that level yet, so your point stands firm IMO.
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If it is an ACL, he has a full year to recover. I hope he is able to participate in spring ball in some capacity again. Another year in the weight room and film room with 4 years of eligibility still will help him long term if the knee heals well.
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I like Pimpleton and no doubt he can "contribute" in Fuente's offense. But he is 30 pounds lighter and the same height as JC Coleman. That concerns me. Coleman could be forced to change direction if you simply got one hand on him. And If Pimpleton and Carroll are on the field at the same time, we are sacrificing a ton of size blocking, etc. I view him as a niche/situational guy - at least early in his career.
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I agree, that is definitely a problem. But if Carroll is our number 2, then thats not good. I think Carroll is a good player, and not trying to bash him but he should be making plays at least as the number 3 guy. These days you have to have big time playmakers with the ball in their hands if you want to win championships. We already know our RB situation is a question mark. We feel good about the QBs we have, but that is still an unknown. Phillips is gonna be great this year. Farley was going to make plays to win games. Its safe to say he was our second best and maybe most talented receiver in the spring. Thats a whole lot of guys he beat out. The cupboard is definitely not bare, but I believe his injury is probably costing us a win or two.
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Dalton Keene and Devon Hunter come to mind. While Farley looked to be a prime candidate to contribute right away, you never know how they will react once the real thing starts. No team should put all their eggs in one basket on a freshman...
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Firmly of the belief that we will have not one, but several impact frosh this season. I expect significant contributions from Pimp, Hunter, Keene, Zion DeBose, Sean Savoy.
Not to mention possibly our most important true freshman - who is guaranteed to start: Oscar Bradburn. It got better as the season wore on, but our punting was sub-par at best in 2016. Winning the field position battle is an integral part of our defensive success
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Pretty sure we're talking true frosh in this particular instance (I think it's (r-Fr) Jackson's job to win or lose specifically because he's been in the system a year), but your point is well taken
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Nothing concrete from the team itself, but I've got a source who's about as good as can be who confirms redshirting this year is the likeliest route and that it was a noncontact knee injury which indicates ligament damage. I wouldn't expect to see him suit up this year.
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As excited as I was (and still am) over Farley's potential, I think it's prudent to keep in mind 2017 would have been a transition period for him to WR. His athleticism is off the charts, but there's an adjustment period not only from QB to WR, but from HS to college. A potential season ending injury is certainly a set back in that regard, and it's a hit to Tech's WR depth, but it's worth keeping in perspective.
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Yeah and this is where I think this might help us long term. He gets another year to study film and the playbook. He gets another year of assisting in practice, so that when he's healthy, he has a better grasp of the game for the position we want him to play. That way, if we are able to keep him to his senior year, he'll only be that much better in the end. And I can't wait to surprise the ACC with the talent we will have seeing the field next year.
Plus, if there's a coaching staff I trust to get us through a key injury on offense, its Fuente and Corny. Their scheme sets up our players to succeed. I have faith we have the talent on this team this year to still be able to punish some defenses this year, even without Farley.
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Show me the bylaws where it states that the angry girl hairbrush meme is reserved solely for use in references to Rich Rodriguez (heh heh), and I shall cease and desist with its use. ;^)
Edit: Oh, shit, I totally did not intend to bump this thread back up. This thread just needs to fucking die.
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Yep. Has been hinted at several times over on 247 as well, but the mods have said very little (basically just that there was an injury). Would have to think this doesn't sound good so far.
Hoping his situation turns out better than Outlaw.
It could be very similar. It sounds like all of the discussion is that it isn't good.
If that's the case, I hope this kid has a quick and full recovery.
Yep. Basically have to prepare for the worst news possible, which it sounds like we may be getting very soon, and if we hear anything better than that we can be relieved and hope he returns healthy and stronger than before. Hate this for the kid though, he had already worked so hard.
This was tweeted today. Cryptic
Yep just saw this a few minutes ago. Like I said nothing concrete yet from any sources, but if it is what we think, my heart breaks for the kid
Same here. Saw this on Twitter then came here and saw thread. Hoping for the best.
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Fck. ACL rip? Sht. Not gud.
Not much to say. Damnit
On the outside, I'm Frank.
On the inside, I'm Little Miss Beamer.
There's also a part of me on the inside that's Shane, consoling the other part that's Little Miss Beamer.
That part of me that's Shane just hit me in the junk with a boxing glove on a stick.
Well.
Shit.
I just hope if it's bad, he doesn't try to be a hero on his rehab. Make it right. Make it strong. Then come back and show the world what's what.
Saw on twitter that Isaiah Ford had knee surgery too. Shitty luck for everyone all around
Oh really? On the bright side maybe that brings some light on why he was drafted criminally late.
By that logic, Isaiah was drafted criminally late because of a knee injury. However, it was recent that he tore his meniscus. Still do not know why he was drafted criminally late.
God damn it
This absolutely blows. I feel completely deflated hearing news like this. From all indications, it doesn't look good. But then again, there were all sorts of rumblings back in the spring when Murphy was carted off the field. Sounded incredibly serious then, but it looks like he is fine. Hoping for the best, but it doesn't seem good right now at all. I'm sure the staff won't say much about it until all the facts are known.
Part of me thinks this is one of those things where its one step backwards for 2 bigger steps forward down the line as he'll be able to play into 2021 if he stays through his eligibility. It allows us an additional year to help build up WR depth and by the time we hit 2019 and 2020 we should be rolling with a deep, young WR core.
Might make for some pain this year but I completely trust this staff to overcome. If there is one thing our coaches are good at, it's finding possibilities to get the ball into situations for us to excel. One injury does not change that.
I deceived myself this morning when I said the day can only go up from here....I hope he sees the field this year!
So torn ACL is what 6-8 months?
Realistically prpjably 9-16.
I agree. The ligament being fully repaired is on the short side of that... being able to cut on it at full speed without second guessing anything is on the high side of that.
I think you're severely underestimating how far medicine has come. I'd say 9 months max. Especially for a student athlete who will be in rehab daily, getting some of the best medical treatment around. Oftentimes, a big time sink in rehab is rebuilding the supporting muscle but many of these athletes see little to no drop off whatsoever in strength.
Source: Blew my ACL out at Tech and had the former team surgeon patch me up. Told me all about the process.
A safe bet is a year, but it's also likely he will be back to full speed/strength by the time Spring Practice rolls around.
That's enough for me. So much of an ACL injury is mental. If it is an ACL tear, building the confidence to take reps and cut without hesitation is almost as big a challenge as the physical rebuilding process.
Medicine has come a long way but the human body can only evolve and adapt so quickly. I think 9 months is the minimum recovery time.
Doctors generally recommend 6-9 months to return to competitive athletics. I'd classify college ball as elite competitive athletics but I think 9 is the maximum. Additionally, the method in which ACLs are repaired has changed. For those who don't know the procedure, there are three main techniques:
1) Donor Ligament - A ligament is taken from a cadaver and scraped to reduce immune complications. This is not recommended for healthy individuals that are in their 20s.
2) Patellar Tendon - Doctor cuts out the middle strip of the patellar (knee cap) tendon and uses that for the ligament. The patellar tendon then scars over the removed area and is just as strong while the new "ACL" is health, live tissue that is screwed in to both ends of the knee.
3) Hamstring Tendon - Doctor performs a similar procedure to the pattelar tendon but cuts out a slice from where the hamstring meets the knee.
Out of the three of these, the patellar tendon graft is recommended the most. Donor Ligaments used to be far more common but have fallen out of favor as it is now easier and healthier to avoid foreign tissue in these transplants.
Furthermore, especially for an athlete, their recovery time is far quicker than a non-div 1 athlete. The average person is typically limited by the amount of time their health care will cover with a PT. Having basically 24/7 access to CPMs, whirlpools, electrostim, and other equipment that is expensive and difficult to use, accelerates the process over what an average person or college student will have.
I'm not doubting the procedures, but I do remember when Adrian Peterson came back from his ACL in 8 months it was considered a miracle because it had never been done before.
He was also operated on after only 6 days which is unusual. AP is a freak of nature. Dr. James Andrews said the inside of his knee looked like the knee of someone that had never played football before.
From an NFL dot com article "I can't believe it," Andrews told them, in a conversation recalled by Peterson's father, Nelson, during a phone interview. "For this guy to have played as much football as he's played his whole life, and not to have hardly any wear and tear, it's incredible. I've never seen a football player, especially one who runs and cuts as much as he does, with a knee in that condition. It's like a newborn baby."
8 months seemed like a miracle because half of your commentators are stuck in the 80's and 90's when a 8 month comeback would have been impossible. It's common to have injured athletes return to athletics after 6 months https://www.emoryhealthcare.org/centers-programs/acl-program/recovery/re.... That would pur Farley at a March estimated date to get in the weight room and catch up physically. And it's not like he won't be lifting the whole time. As long as there isn't meniscus damage, he could be using machines that provide stability (like a leg press) to minimize muscle atrophy.
As somebody who's had a few of these, including both cadaver and patellar tendon procedures, the rehab and recovery from a cadaver graft is about a millions times better/easier/less painful then the patellar tendon graft. I know there are legitimate reasons for going patellar over cadaver, but my last 3 were all cadaver and I would continue to make that decision in the future if it keeps coming up.
The main knock on cadaver grafts is that they are more likely to retear. The recovery is more painful for a patellar graft but has the best long term outcomes.
This is all painful just to read
I did have to give up skiing, but I have now managed to go 6 years without a major knee surgery, which is 4 years longer than my previous streak.
My first one (patellar) they were still doing the graft straight over the top, so it just kept the bones from moving front to back. By the second one they'd figured out that it needs to be at an angle across the top to restrict twisting, and the feeling and stability is significantly better.
Anyone else at the spring game think he looked like the best player on the field? Such a bummer and best of luck to him in his recovery
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Hate to see this happen. If it's any consolation, he'll have a redshirt so he won't lose a year of eligibility and won't have the pressure to rush back to action. Gutted for the kid.
Whelp, throw out the season, it's a rebuilding year. We've got our excuse, folks!
(Sarcasm, of course. I think we'll be fine.)
Injuries plague other programs as much as our football and basketball teams, right?
Nope..which is why I refuse to "crown" Hilgart yet...
Yes, they do. Injuries happen.
Sure it does. Florida lost their star safety for the season and WVU lost their leading tackler (LB) weeks ago. But you only really hear about it happening elsewhere when it's one of their big time players. My bet is we just think it happens more because we're closer to VT than other programs and therefore hear about everything the second it happens.
This. Very few outside of VT (and probably a lot of VT fans) even know who Farley is. This won't get reported anywhere outside of Virginia. I can't imagine that every other program in America gets through camp without losing an important, but currently unheard-of guy here and there
Very few outside of VT (and probably a lot of VT fans) even know who Farley is.
This is one reason it's hitting us so hard. After the spring performance, I think those who were aware of him had the feeling that the rest of college football would soon be wondering just how they ever didn't know about him.
Don't get me wrong, this news sucks hard. No way I can debate that. I just don't think we should feel like we're cursed by injuries because they do actually happen everywhere
Totally agree. The only time a freshman being hurt would be news nationally is if it was a big time blue chip recruit at a big time program.
Fortunately for us our S&C program will continue to be a considerable improvement over the previous staff regardless of whether or not you want to crown Hilgart.
Of course settled science after 18 months and a few 300lb lineman.. Yep
I believe VTfencer is referring to the process Hilgart takes, as was described by Foster in the first day practice interviews. Foster mentioned using the modern techniques to prevent injuries during the season.
Of course, this doesn't make it definitive, but it's not based on the size 300lb lineman as you mention.
Mike Gentry is one of the most respected SC guys to ever do it.. And we had 6 healthy hoops players during key stretches last year, and a spring game injury list that was two pages. To definitively state as fact that this is an "improvement" hands down over Gentry's body of work is irresponsible IMO, and not supported by any data, really.
I don't think relying on the word of Bud Foster is irresponsible. Bud Foster said he loved Gentry, but the process has modernized and should prevent injuries.
And there very well could be loads of data supporting the Hilgart's process and it's improvement over classical techniques that Gentry used. That seems like a question/segment for a reporter to inquire with HIlgart about.
Don't football and basketball typically have different S&C coaches?
Damn it, what about modern techniques to prevent injuries during the preseason...we need some that too!
Don't move the goalposts to the number of 300lb linemen when you're called out for passing judgement based on the number of injuries we have relative to the supposed dearth of injuries at other programs.
Fine.. Our spring game injury report was two pages.. Our hoops team had more scholarship players in street clothes than jerseys last year. We have two hoops guys with torn ACLs right now and now Farley.. Don't give me "vastly improved" nonsense with no data.
Jesus Christ, and people were saying the exact same thing about the previous S&C coaches. Injuries are a part of sports, stop looking for a scapegoat.
Cross-referencing and indexing... we now have a pre-season favorite for 2017.
Saying the injury report was two pages long for dramatic effect doesn't constitute a statistic. How many injuries did we have relative to other ACC schools of similar quality?
It's also flat out wrong to claim we had more scholarship basketball players in street clothes than jerseys last season, and even if that was true three of those players were being redshirted deliberately for non-injury related reasons with Devin Wilson also sitting out.
Don't give me guff for not having data when you're sensationalizing.
OK, there were 38 players listed as "out" for the spring game, better? And I am waiting patiently for your proof/numbers/stats/evidence of the "considerable improvement" from Hilgart vs. Gentry. You posting that for dramatic effect/sensationalizing doesn't make it true either.
You need only look at the body progress pictures circulating VT Twitter for the considerable improvement you're asking about. Do you think Dadi Nicolas would have plateaued at 225 for two years under Hilgart when he is out there adding nearly 30 pounds to guys like Terrell Edmunds in 18 months?
If you'd prefer to die on the injury hill we can talk about our smattering of RB knee injuries in 2014 or any number of other injuries that happened under Gentry if we're knit picking. Hilgart doesn't have nearly as much to do with the injury report as you'd like to believe. Frankly I don't know why you're so mad.
Where did you find that number?
From HokieSports.com:
http://www.hokiesports.com/football/recaps/20170422aaa.html
Even if the numbers are right, using Spring Game injuries is a pretty poor metric to gauge a S&C program. Because it isn't an actual game, many sit out that would have played if it were a regular game anyway.
As was said above, injuries happen to everyone. We were extremely lucky last season in this regard. The difference between the Alabamas of the world and the Virginia Tech's of the world is quality depth. It's not as likely for an injury to ruin Alabama's season because they have 2 more 4-5 star guys behind the starter. A few years ago when Motu got hurt, we were starting a walk on MLB (who still performed about as well as could be expected). This season, if we have linemen on either side of the ball go down, we'll probably be in a lot of trouble. If we develop adequate depth at those positions, we'll be able to weather these storms a little better and they won't seem like such a kick in the nuts.
Wasn't Jack Tyler a walk on?
What kind of a jerk gets our hopes up so much in the spring game only to hurt himself day 1 of fall camp? Get it together, Caleb. /s
Well thats jus f'n typical. There goes our wr depth. Some of these other cats better be ready to play.
Well we have a million of them on Scholarship- so let's see what Wiggins can do- its like the OL- plenty of bodies..need to coach them up- no excuses. If Wiggins can't get 2 out of Murphy, Kumah, Patterson, Denmark, Jefferson and Clark ready to play to compliment Cam and CJ, then frankly he is coaching in the wrong league. I'm not even counting the true freshmen.
I feel like I've heard good things out of the staff about Pimpleton and Clark already, and the rest have had some time in the system, so I think we'll be fine.
Sucks. I feel for Farley, but on the whole for VT football, I do not think one freshman WR is going to make or break our season.
Agreed, I think we still have plenty of offensive talent. However, I think Farley had a chance to be a game changer. We have speedy receivers and we have guys with size who can go up and get the ball, but Farley was a rare combination of both. And it was evident at the spring game his speed would be very difficult to defend. Someone is going to have to step up and become a dominant deep threat on the outside. Big picture, we will be ok, but this is definitely a major blow.
Kid named Michael sure defined our season a few years back.
Okay but we don't have one of those right now, freshmen or otherwise.
FTFY
This is true, but I would say having such a dynamic game changer player at the QB position is more likely to define a season than a WR.
Not trying to bash on Farley here. No doubt the kid has a ton of talent, and I hope we get to see it on full display next year (if the injury is as bad as is being rumored). I was really looking forward to seeing what he could do, but has there been anything indicated that his impact to the team would be anything close to the type of impact that Vick had? Is there any team in recent years that you can think of that all other players being the same you can pick out a WR and say "man, that team would have had a completely different season without him"?
Point being, yes the loss of Farley for the year, if that's what it ends up being, will sting. But I am confident that we have the talent levels that someone will step up, fill the void, and the loss won't alter the outcome of our season.
I think the bowl streak ends and we don't get to 10 wins if the last two years didn't include IF1. The Pitt game last year comes to mind as an example, but there were others.
I agree with your post.
I'm of the opinion that Mike Evans won Johnny Football that Heisman. That dude bailed aTm out countless times.
I don't think I'm ready to say Farley is at that level yet, so your point stands firm IMO.
And Caleb still can as RS-freshman, the same year Michael.
Am I missing something? Have we gotten confirmation of his injury?
Life is filled with adversity and set backs. While this is truly unfortunate, it's not the end of the world. Here's to a speedy recovery!
If it is an ACL, he has a full year to recover. I hope he is able to participate in spring ball in some capacity again. Another year in the weight room and film room with 4 years of eligibility still will help him long term if the knee heals well.
Can confirm via a #sauce that Caleb Farley suffered a noncontact knee injury. Not entirely sure on prognosis but doesn't sound great
:(
EDIT: looks like redshirt is most likely the route :C
A great team always has a freshman contribute, this was it. We need to find another one, Pimpleton could be a candidate.
I like Pimpleton and no doubt he can "contribute" in Fuente's offense. But he is 30 pounds lighter and the same height as JC Coleman. That concerns me. Coleman could be forced to change direction if you simply got one hand on him. And If Pimpleton and Carroll are on the field at the same time, we are sacrificing a ton of size blocking, etc. I view him as a niche/situational guy - at least early in his career.
I agree, that is definitely a problem. But if Carroll is our number 2, then thats not good. I think Carroll is a good player, and not trying to bash him but he should be making plays at least as the number 3 guy. These days you have to have big time playmakers with the ball in their hands if you want to win championships. We already know our RB situation is a question mark. We feel good about the QBs we have, but that is still an unknown. Phillips is gonna be great this year. Farley was going to make plays to win games. Its safe to say he was our second best and maybe most talented receiver in the spring. Thats a whole lot of guys he beat out. The cupboard is definitely not bare, but I believe his injury is probably costing us a win or two.
Dalton Keene and Devon Hunter come to mind. While Farley looked to be a prime candidate to contribute right away, you never know how they will react once the real thing starts. No team should put all their eggs in one basket on a freshman...
Firmly of the belief that we will have not one, but several impact frosh this season. I expect significant contributions from Pimp, Hunter, Keene, Zion DeBose, Sean Savoy.
Not to mention possibly our most important true freshman - who is guaranteed to start: Oscar Bradburn. It got better as the season wore on, but our punting was sub-par at best in 2016. Winning the field position battle is an integral part of our defensive success
I've been really excited to see how Bradburn does. We got spoiled with a stretch of solid punters there for a while, I want it back.
I miss Danny Coale too :(
Ricky LaBlue tweeted this out earlier.
I timed the hang time at 4.1 sec., looks to be roughly 40 yd.
Unless we go with Bush, I think QB will be the place where either a freshman contributes or we're in for a long season.
Pretty sure we're talking true frosh in this particular instance (I think it's (r-Fr) Jackson's job to win or lose specifically because he's been in the system a year), but your point is well taken
Has anything been confirmed yet? There seems to be a lot of rumors flying around without anything concrete from the team.
Nothing concrete from the team itself, but I've got a source who's about as good as can be who confirms redshirting this year is the likeliest route and that it was a noncontact knee injury which indicates ligament damage. I wouldn't expect to see him suit up this year.
As excited as I was (and still am) over Farley's potential, I think it's prudent to keep in mind 2017 would have been a transition period for him to WR. His athleticism is off the charts, but there's an adjustment period not only from QB to WR, but from HS to college. A potential season ending injury is certainly a set back in that regard, and it's a hit to Tech's WR depth, but it's worth keeping in perspective.
Yeah and this is where I think this might help us long term. He gets another year to study film and the playbook. He gets another year of assisting in practice, so that when he's healthy, he has a better grasp of the game for the position we want him to play. That way, if we are able to keep him to his senior year, he'll only be that much better in the end. And I can't wait to surprise the ACC with the talent we will have seeing the field next year.
Plus, if there's a coaching staff I trust to get us through a key injury on offense, its Fuente and Corny. Their scheme sets up our players to succeed. I have faith we have the talent on this team this year to still be able to punish some defenses this year, even without Farley.
Fuente just confirmed to media that Caleb Farley is out for the year with a non-contact knee injury.
Farley hurt? #Clark4Heisman
Any updates on Farley??
I definitely had an audible laugh at this though.
Not cool, bro. Not cool. Saw this thread and almost threw my phone.
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I'm not going to lie, this gif reply had me laughing so hard at my desk I had tears. Well played
Fun fact, Bill Murray bowled an actual turkey while filming this scene and the audience reaction was authentic
An actual turkey? I'm surprised peta wasn't all over his ass for cruelty to animals.
Why the hell are we bumping injury threads?!?! Can we please make sure this doesn't become a thing. Damn...
Man we're bored
Sorry. I only have the bandwidth to be brilliant once or twice a month.
Let's not make "resurrect a dead thread about an injury, commitment, transfer, etc. as a joke" the TKP equivalent of Rick-Rolling.
Not suggesting we do it here and right now, but if this looks to become a repeated thing I suggest it be officially made a downvotable offense.
Hokie Fireman, is that you? VTGuitarMan said Rick Rolling, not Rich Rodding. I think it is Ok.
Show me the bylaws where it states that the angry girl hairbrush meme is reserved solely for use in references to Rich Rodriguez (heh heh), and I shall cease and desist with its use. ;^)
Edit: Oh, shit, I totally did not intend to bump this thread back up. This thread just needs to fucking die.
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Sorry but this gif made me laugh to hard not to use
Gotta read the fine print:
too soon, saw through this as soon as I saw it in the tracker. Now when there is a real injury report I will probably glaze right over it.
check the date. I was not fooled today. Yesterday, maybe, but not today.
"140 comments. 25 unread." Saw this on tracker and looked at date. Any shock lasted only a few pixels. Benefits of being logged in already.
This should be a bannable offense:
Speaking of 80's movies.....
This reply had me audibly chuckling at my desk, lol
WHY would someone be so cruel?
Yes! Run away!