Tech Tidbits: Some UNC Shade, and Breaking Down a (Highly Unlikely) Fuente Buyout

Breaking down just much the Hokies dislike the Heels, and how pricey Justin Fuente is these days.

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The more I keep taking a peek at the Hokies' schedule (and their slow, but steady rise in the polls), the more I come back to the same sort of conclusion.

Fundamentally, the Hokies don't really have a signature win to speak of, beyond the season opener against West Virginia. Consider this: the road win against Boston College is probably the second best victory of the whole year, if for no other reason than the Hokies managed to contain Steve Addazio's offense that has (unbelievably) scored 40 points in two straight games.

Tech's biggest moment in the spotlight was the home game against Clemson, which the Hokies not only lost, but never came particularly close to winning. And yet they find themselves at 13th in the country, all the same.

To me, it comes down to the way in which they've beaten their (relatively unimpressive) opponents so far. With just a few exceptions, Frank Beamer's squads didn't have the offensive firepower, and in many cases the consistent focus, to really blow out inferior opponents.

But when you beat a division rival by 52 points at home, regardless of the team's struggles or injuries, that's gonna send a message. Ditto for hanging 64 points on ECU on the road after giving up a few quick scores.

That's the sort of stuff that's going to appeal to the national media types voting in these polls, and it's as good a measure we have right now of what this team is capable of.

We're still a week away from entering the one-month stretch that will decide this squad's season. In many ways, we still haven't gotten a true read on what this year's team is truly capable of, so we have to settle for seeing what they can do against teams they should beat.

Accordingly, with a night game (for some reason) on tap against another division rival who has given the Hokies fits in recent years, Tech will need to replicate the sort of dominance it showed off last week against UNC.

National observers of all stripes are waiting on that VT-Miami game on Nov. 4, and if the Hokies are to live up to those expectations, they need to keep taking care of business with authority.

It's what the best teams in the country do, and too often it's been in short supply in Blacksburg. Personally, I'm excited to find out if they can do it.

Enough of all that. Let's get Tidbit-ing.

UNC Shade, the Best Shade

I wrote at length last week about the implications of delivering an impressive win against the Tar Heels for recruiting, but plainly I underrated just how much the Hokies wanted to obliterate "but-the-hurricane" excuses from UNC fans.

Cam Phillips surely ruffled a few feathers with his comments about the importance about beating UNC after the game — Justin Fuente went to great pains on Monday to stress that "Cam does not speak for me" and that he wants "to win every game we play," as you might expect such a controversy-averse coach to do.

But one need only examine just how long Bud Foster left in the starters on defense to get a sense for how much this game mattered to the coaching staff, and Foster was more than willing to throw a little additional shade UNC's way on Tuesday.

Hoo boy. I suppose when you allow just 10 points in two games to a team that prides itself on offense, you've earned the right to brag, even if it's in a subtle way like this.

At first glance, the Blue Devils don't look appreciably better than the Heels, considering they've dropped four straight games, and they rank 73rd overall in total offense.

But Foster is certainly correct that Duke will offer a stiffer challenge on defense (they're allowing about 334 yards per game, good for 27th in the country), and Fuente had plenty of nice things to say about them Monday. Same goes for Foster, who continued to heap praise on QB Daniel Jones and noted that Duke has lost three straight by just seven points.

"They're a lot better team than their record indicates," Foster told reporters Tuesday. "They've lost some really tight football games against some really good people. I think you can't compare stats, it's who they're playing and who they're competing against and that type of thing. But I know this: (David Cutcliffe)'s a little disappointed in the outcome of some games, I've heard through the grapevine. I think this game will probably be a statement game mindset."

In any case, all that should show you the obvious respect that has long existed between the Hokies (particularly when Beamer was still in charge) and Cutcliffe's Blue Devils. It's clear that, outside of some backpedaling this week, the same cannot be said for how they feel about Larry Fedora's bunch.

Jackson's Got an Arm

Josh Jackson may not be perfect, but it is worth stepping back every once in a while to appreciate just how good he's been.

Statistics help on that front, so sit back for a moment and marvel at just how good he's been getting the ball down field, courtesy of ESPN's David Hale.

Hale found that Jackson is tops in the ACC in downfield completion percentage, and only Lamar Jackson (ever heard of him?) has more yards or touchdowns on completions of 10 or more yards. His passer efficiency rating is also far ahead of any other ACC QB, with Georgia Tech's TaQuon Marshall a distant second. These aren't the be-all-end-all of quarterback statistics, but they certainly provide a window into how Jackson has made this offense so explosive so far.

Suffice it to say, Jackson has far surpassed expectations for a redshirt freshman quarterback, and I wanted to highlight this particular part of his game because I didn't especially think it would be where he'd excel this year. After all, Jackson doesn't have the biggest arm and the Hokies don't have much in the way of playmakers who can stretch the field; Phillips is as close as it comes, and even then, speed isn't his primary strength.

Jackson is surely going to be tested by a tough Duke defense (and a similarly tough Miami unit) but he has shown time and again that he's up to the challenge. It doesn't hurt, either, that James Clark and Phil Patterson seem to be healthy and ready to add a little depth to the receiving corps.

Fuente and company have done a good job of creating situations for Jackson to be successful, but he deserves an immense amount of credit as well. No matter how this season turns out, the Hokies have every reason to be excited about the future at quarterback.

Believe It or Not, Buyout Talk is a Thing

When Whit Babcock pulled the trigger on hiring Fuente away from Memphis, it was the rare coaching hire to earn nearly unanimous praise from across the college football universe.

The one minor gripe I remember hearing from Hokies fans went a bit like this: he's a young guy, with big ambitions and no obvious personal connection to Virginia Tech. What's the guarantee he sticks around if he's successful?

Certainly that falls into the category of "good problems to have," and after just a season and a half in Blacksburg, we've been blessed with our first article musing about the prospect of Fuente's departure.

Zach Barnett over at Football Scoop does some musing that Fuente "may be more attainable" than Matt Campbell over at Iowa State, another recent hiring attracting some buzz after the Cyclones re-entered the top 25 this week after a lengthy absence.

But Barnett also notes quite astutely that Babcock saw this coming when he crafted Fuente's contract; if anybody wants him, they'll have to pay $6 million for the privilege or "only" $5 million if they hire Fuente after Dec. 15 of this year.

That definitely sounds like a hefty chunk of change at first blush, and Barnett points out that it's considerably higher than buyouts for many of Fuente's peers.

Fuente's buyout tops the highest recent buyout on record by close to 45 percent, and when it drops by $1 million on Dec. 15 it's still almost $1.7 million ahead of the record-breaking buyout.

Sure, Fuente's ransom falls to a digestible $3 million on Dec. 16, 2018, but, as long as he keeps winning at this rate, Virginia Tech will give him a new contract before then and the calendar will start all over again.

I, for one, was not particularly worried about Fuente going anywhere anytime soon. Oklahoma is the program that would most concern me, should things not work out with Lincoln Reilly. They've got history with Fuente, and the money to help him wriggle out of just about any contract situation.

But, aside from a misstep against Campbell's Clones, the Sooners seem set with Reilly for the moment. There are always other programs with big bank accounts that could take a look at Fuente, but this article is a good reminder that it would probably take quite the overture indeed to pry him out of Blacksburg.

Again, it's a good problem to have, all things considered. But not one it would seem Hokies fans need to worry about in the near future.

Finally, I 'll close things out with a quick reminder that we are all very old, and Tech's players are all very young.

Comments

Another great segment.

Wet stuff on the red stuff.

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Thanks for doing research on the buyout, that is super "Whitty" move on his part to making the buyout unattractive to outside suitors. Here's to hoping Fuente sticks around for many years to come and get us that long-elusive national title.

Nice article, but I have to nitpick on one thing you said.

"With just a few exceptions, Frank Beamer's squads didn't have the offensive firepower, and in many cases the consistent focus, to really blow out inferior opponents."

Whoa! What? We beat Akron 77–27 in 1995; BC 45–7 and Temple 38–0 in 1996; Rutgers 59–19, Syracuse 31–3, Arkansas State 50–0, UAB 37–0 in 1997; too many to even copy and paste in 1998 (including 3 shutouts a 38–7 whooping of Alabama). It gets even better in 1999, and for several years after that (we had 4 shutouts for a 151-0 score in those games in 2001). Please please please go back and look at VT football from ~1995-2005. And never write such a thing again. :)

I used to be with it, but then they changed what it was. Now what I'm with isn't it, and what's it seems weird and scary to me.

We had a few blowouts in the Big East days, but even those were fueled by defensive and special teams scoring. Once we got into the ACC, our offensive power turned down and we rarely blew out conference opponents.

I just sit on my couch and b*tch. - HokieChemE2016

"Fueled by defensive and special teams scoring," eh? Would that be like a punt return TD, a scoop and score, and a pick-six? That kind of scoring?

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Right you are!

I just sit on my couch and b*tch. - HokieChemE2016

We had a shit-ton of blowouts in the Big East Days. In fact, at one point Beamer had actually earned something of a reputation as a coach who would run up the score on weaker opponents.

You are right that our offense stalled by the mid-2000s, and we often started struggling to put away even the Furmans of the world. But Fuente has a LONG way to go to get VT back to the juggernaut that Beamer had rolling in the late-90s and early-2000s.

Not trying to be argumentative, just trying to add some old-guy VT fan perspective into the conversation.

I used to be with it, but then they changed what it was. Now what I'm with isn't it, and what's it seems weird and scary to me.

I appreciate it! I totally agree with you. The first few Tech games I went and saw as a kid were total blowouts over weaker OOC or Big East teams

I just sit on my couch and b*tch. - HokieChemE2016

Yeah, it was kind of hard watching us shift from that mindset to playing down to opponents (seemingly annual Temple letdown...?).

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Agreed, Ricky Bustle had it rolling in the late 90's

We did have a lot of blowouts back then, but it's also true that this was a bigger in-conference blowout than anything in the 2nd half of Beamer's tenure. The margin of victory last week against UNC was Tech's largest against a conference opponent since the 1999 Temple game.

And while we did have a lot of blowouts, we also had our share of nail biters and losses against inferior teams. For all the blowouts in 1998, we also lost as a 5-touchdown favorite.

To me, this season is shaping up similarly to the early 2000s teams ... rising up the rankings while playing mostly inferior opponents. Back then, we got a reputation of working our way into being overrated and choking down the stretch. Hoping that isn't what plays out with this year's team as the schedule is about to get more difficult.

Let's all hope and pray that Fuente will stay in Blacksburg a long, long time!

Hokie in West Africa...sadly, I can't jump up and down hard enough for it to be felt in Lane

That mean mug from the water girl! Fuentes message is getting through to EVERYONE!

She looks pissed VT only put up 59

"Two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I am not yet completely sure about the universe.” -Einstein

The water girl's expression reminds me of McKayla Maroney's "Not impressed" expression! LOL! I have many meme ideas now.

Let's Go

HOKIES

if you had to see all those uniforms up close everywhere you turned, you'd probably have the same expression permanently etched on your face.

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Nah, I believe she's mad UNC scored.

No, I *don't* want to go to the SEC. Why do you ask?

We don't love dem Hoos.

Maybe she's mad Mook didn't toss her a souvenir UNC shoe

The whole quote from Bud I think is blown out of proportions. We played a lot against the 2nd team players for UNC and two shitty QBs. Not to take away from our performance on D, but Duke will be a better team than UNC, if purely just by not having as much attrition.

Let's not falsely give UNC BB material when there isn't any.

Let's not falsely give UNC BB material when there isn't any.

Yea, unless you give false things to the entire student body as well. Then it's fair game.

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This is also a website...they can't read it.

We put the K in Kwality

I thought they had free website reading classes at UNC?

Let's not falsely give UNC BB material when there isn't any.

59-7

if they need any bulletin board material after that, they're in a worse state than we could possibly imagine.

"When I was growing up, Virginia Tech was a school that was kicking ass and taking names, and it's time we get back to that" - James Franklin

Scoreboard >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> bulletin board

No, I *don't* want to go to the SEC. Why do you ask?

We don't love dem Hoos.

They would take any edge they can get, just like us.

FYI....it's Lincoln Riley and Rick Reilly.

A five million buyout for Fuente is a bargain...We need to be proactive in keeping him here.

Tennessee and Nebraska are looking for coaches.

He's not going to Nebraska (ever) or Tennessee (not in the near term and probably never).

If he goes somewhere it will be a top tier blue blood school. And neither Nebraska nor Tennessee are that right now and likely won't be again any time soon (if ever - both schools have some inherent challenges that are likely to get more challenging, not less challenging).

Yes, I concede that Nebraska isn't plausible. But Tennessee, I think, is a real threat.

Any coach who turns that program around will be deified in Knoxville. And Tennessee has the resources. Five million is not a lot of money. That number will seem quaint ten years from now. There are currently ten coaches who get at least that a year in base salary alone (and Saban gets more than double that). Not for nothing, Fuente has been mentioned by TN fans as a possible "home run" hire.

I think Tennessee is one of just a few programs which will (and can) try to emulate Bama.

Not for nothing, Fuente has been mentioned by TN fans as a possible "home run" hire.

The bulk of the Tennessee fan base is a pretty good reason to not want to coach there. They're about as delusional as it comes

Different sport but keep in mind these are the same fans that ran Cuonzo Martin out of town for the crime of not being Bruce Pearl.

Not for nothing, Fuente has been mentioned by TN fans as a possible "home run" hire.

Fuente was mentioned by the Joel Klatt guy but he doesn't have any actual UT ties. I think his name is more of a hypothetical "this is the type of coach who would be a great hire," which is a stupid exercise since every program thinks they are making a good hire at the time.

Anyway I get the sense Fuente is far from the first choice for UT fans- they have coveted Jon Gruden as their dream hire for a long time. I tend to think the fans would want Chip Kelly next, but more realistic consideration is Scott Frost or Dan Mullen with some coaches with UT ties (Jim Bob Cooter, Tee Martin) getting consideration.

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Tennessee is a strong SEC program. They are certainly down at the moment but that place has as much tradition as a UGA or Florida. They also have the money to make it happen, not that it will.

Yes, but Tennessee doesn't have the built-in recruiting base that UGa and UF have. They never will and the gap will only get bigger, not smaller. That matters more than ever.

The point is that Fuente is only going to leave for a top tier, blue blood program with the resources, legacy, recruiting base, etc). By that I mean one of the top 5, maybe 7 or 8 programs (think Ohio State, Oklahoma, Alabama, USC, Texas, Florida, maybe LSU, maybe UGa).

Sure Tennessee has resources but it hasn't lived in this neighborhood for a long time -- and certainly not since UF decided to get serious about athletics (and yes, I know UT won the BCS in '99 - but, for the most part, there's a reason "there's a UT in Citrus" since the 80's).

Fuente is going to leave for the same type of program beamer did.

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Dammit, why didn't you clarify!

Fuente is going to follow Shane to UGa, its been decided

"When I was growing up, Virginia Tech was a school that was kicking ass and taking names, and it's time we get back to that" - James Franklin

But it's not, no other coach has had that large a buyout get well bought out.

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Good point...but I keep thinking of how many coaching changes there could potentially be this year, especially in the SEC...tennessee, arkansas, missouri, florida (unlikely, but that offense is dreadful), maybe mississippi....Sumlin is probably safe now...and then nebraska. Where would all those schools get coaches? One of them would be willing to pay a significant buy-out. I hope it happens, just to watch the chaos.
I'm not too worried about Fuente, with QP coming he probably has a good feeling about making the ACC championship just about every year...and if we can pull in a couple Dax/KJ type players, he has to have a great feeling about getting close to the playoff.
Make the ACCCG again this year, and he probably gets a significant raise for him and his staff.

I think the biggest factor that would make the buyout iffy for a suitor is not the monetary number itself, but that Fuente is only 1.5 seasons in his P5 coaching career. His numbers look great, but will he be able to sustain that success in another P5 conference? Will he be able to succeed in offense without Bud Foster getting his back? To me those would be some factors that would make a record buyout a big gamble, but then again some of those schools have some deep pockets.

I wouldn't underestimate the Bud factor when it comes to his perception. Coach Fu has reinvigorated our offense and fanbase and recruiting etc., yes. But something tells me that many ADs recognize the success and the importance of Bud Foster in our program's performance through the transition.

"Why gobble gobble chumps asks such good questions, I will never know." - TheFifthFuller

Yep. Offensive prowess don't mean crap if you can't keep the other guys from scoring, too (see: 70-33)

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That's not exactly true - the wording in the Football Scoop article is a little misleading. Coaches have had buyouts over $5M in their contract and been hired away. Typically, buyouts get negotiated to a lower amount when a coach is hired. Rarely does anyone pay "full price" on a buyout. For example, Jim McElwain had a $7.5M buyout in his Colorado State contract when Florida hired him. That was negotiated into UF paying CSU $3M, McElwain personally paying CSU $2M, and UF paying CSU $2M to play a game at UF. So in total, CSU got $7M in compensation but it was in several parts, and this article was only referencing the part paid in cash by UF. It doesn't negate the fact McElwain got hired to a new job while having a contract with a buyout 50% higher than Fuente's current buyout.

What kind of precedent is there for a coach getting hired away from a job after just 2 years? I feel like it doesn't happen very much but am not sure. It's not like Fuente has taken us to the playoff or pulled in top 10 recruiting classes. He is definitely doing a good job and has us on a good track, but wouldn't most big time programs want a little more proof before making a big hire?

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I read your first sentence and immediately thought of Pitt. That was fun to watch that happen to them.

Not apples-to-apples but this was odd. It happened to Arkansas State three years in a row. Hugh Freeze coached one year in 2011. Gus Malzahn coached one year in 2012. Bryan Harsin coached one year in 2013.

It happens constantly to G5 school and lower P5 schools. If those schools aren't having their coach hired away every 2-4 years then they're probably not very good. I can't think of too many schools on our level who have dealt with it though, would be interesting to see that breakdown.

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Dang that's clever enough to take me a few minutes to get it