Ok, so I am starting a new thread on the topic this time...
There are smoke signals that someone is gone from the team, and Jackson's name has been thrown around...
More to come for sure.
Another bat signal for @AndyBitterVT...Andy I'm hearing some big rumors about a player. Any stirrings that you've heard?— Randy Phillips (@wisehokie) June 7, 2018
Response:
Have heard some things. Am checking.— Andy Bitter (@AndyBitterVT) June 7, 2018
Update 8:50a
Hearing that we'll know more around lunch time today - from what I hear it is academically related, potentially cheating, and punishment is unclear at this point.
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On a positive note this is probably a top 3 all time gif and will never cease to make me laugh
Nahh. Not yet. It's entirely too early in the day for me to deal with this.
I really hope this is just a big misunderstanding... No team can afford to lose their starting QB and somehow losing Mook might be even worse.
I didn't get my panties in a bundle about Adonis or Webb but if Jackson or Mook are gone I'll have to lower my expectations for this season.
were they not already around 7-5 without the two starting DBs out?
Possible starting DBs. Heck, AA was even sketchy as a starter. Bud can figure that one out, but if we lose Jackson and/or Mook, then you're talking down-graded expectations for the year in my book.
I'd like to see QP redshirt this year, but if we lose Jackson, that might not be possible.
Realistically, Coach Fu has done enough to sink a season with Willis/Hooker starting. QP should sit a year regardless to be 100% comfortable with the offense.
why do you believe we would "sink" a season? last season we had NO idea what JJ was going to bring to the table starting as a fr. but we didn't just throw the towel in prior to game one, hooker would have the same experience as JJ did last year and willis more. JJ played his A off in the first game and all our expectations shot through the roof. what if HH or Willis come in the FSU game and ball their tails off (much like each has done in a spring game) I trust fuente to keep us competitive in all the games and not "sink" a season no matter who the starter is.
I think he means, it would be ok if he had a subpar year, and the faithful wouldn't be ready to put him on the chopping block.
I don't think he means he would go out and actually tank the season.
I guess I just don't know how I will feel about it unless it happens. what if we lost the bowl streak? I wouldn't put fuente on a chopping block because I think hes a good coach and great fit for us, but I don't expect us to miss a beat either no matter who the starter is. our team isn't built around having a stud QB if it was last year would have been subpar. JJ was a fr and he played well enough to get us by. I don't see why any other QB on our roster is not capable of doing the same. Fuente in my opinion did a pretty good job of game planning and coaching/preparing around JJs strengths even with youth and inexperience at the skill positions outside of Cam. I think with willis we would see more screen game and deep balls, HH more QB run game but either way I expect us to be between 8-10 wins and leaning more towards the higher side of that # regardless of who the starting QB is. If we didn't I honestly don't know how I would feel. Im think if it did happen id make plenty of excuses for him while also placing some blame on him.
I'm not looking forward to a year of explaining why Fuente shouldn't be on the hotseat if this season goes sideways. Don't forget, in addition to the QB situation the defense is going to be breaking in a ton of new guys. Fortunately we have 4 games on the schedule that even UVA would have a good chance at winning (themselves included). Finding 6 shouldn't be that difficult unless the wheels completely come off.
I dunno man. I don't think LOLUVa could even beat LOLUVa.
Guess that's the real reason why they won't have a spring game.
I think it would be a coin flip game
This is what I meant with my comment
Watch his film. QP won't be remotely ready to play meaningful minutes, let alone start.
You'd think people would learn after "Ford should start as a t-frosh", "Lawson should start as a t-frosh"...
Why didn't his elbow and fist get left behind?
Because it's Skeletor
His follow through was that good.
I heard Drew Harris and Dwayne Lawson turned in the same paper. Both will be off the team.
Maybe we can keep the conversation here, instead of the other threads. That way it can get deleted easily if it's unsubstantiated. If there's truth to someone being gone, then we won't be talking about it in totally unrelated threads.
Yep, I didn't post this anywhere else - was referring to when I had posted the rumor about the injury to Jeremy Webb on his recruiting thread, and was called out for 'should have made this a new thread.'
Tbh, I could live (no offense) w/ Jackson's departure. I feel like's it's easier to bounce back from that. Losing Mook would be FAR more damaging to the program.
That's putting A LOT of faith in a QB based on a single practice/scrimmage.
PUN INTENDED?!?!?!
No, no pun intended. I absolutely think it sucks. Remember, in a previous thread regarding preseason All-ACC I said that I've got a gut feeling that JJ could potentially (pleasantly) surprise some folks. That being said, when it comes down to it, I feel that (cards on the table) losing Mook would be much more damaging than JJ (from a program standpoint). Of the two, I just feel that Mook has a higher NFL career ceiling than JJ that is ultimately more beneficial to the program. Just my thoughts & gut feels.
I feel like we shouldn't be rooting for which players we want to be kicked off
Cody Journell
"Kicked off"
I see what you did there.
MV5
I never, not once, wanted MV5 to get kicked off the team until immediately after he'd been kicked off (the facts came out at that same time IIRC).
Nothing I posted was rooting or rejoicing for a player to be kicked off. Please read it again & consider context.
nope nope nope. I don't want Hooker starting against FSU.
If Jackson is gone bet you Willis will be
I don't think I can handle the amount of people melting down and the amount of people saying he really wasn't that good at the same time... Might have to take a break from here if this is true
I don't see a substantial # of meltdown on here in comparison to social media.CORRECTION: (For a time) there wasn't a substantial amount of meltdown on this thread.
LOL WHAT THE HELL
both these rumors are picking up steam fastttttttttttt social media has no chill
I will not understand, why anyone would be so quick to post any rumor like this, until it is confirmed.
I asked Randy why he tweeted at Bitter, when he didn't want to say something before it was confirmed.
It just gets the hornets nest going. It's one thing to talk about it here (And I really don't even like discussing rumors because they always get blown out of proportion), but once it hits Twitter, its over. It gives the team some really bad press and blows the rumors out of proportion. If the rumors are false, you have some bad publicity for the program that can't get undone.
I can tell you that I've been waiting for this to hit the boards for a couple weeks. This is not a made up rumor, unfortunately. I have no clue what will come of it, but there are problems here that much is confirmed.
If this is true, it certainly does NOT give off the impression that the staff has it's house in order. Doesn't inspire a ton of confidence.
If what's true?
Student athletes aren't succeeding academically: Tim, Adonis, whoever this is now and it's so bad that they're resorting to cheating
I have two responses.
First one:
For the sake of discussion, would you rather...
(A) have a staff that has expectations for its players in the classroom and hands down consequences when they don't measure up, or
(B) have a staff that lets its players slide, even to the point of dishonesty, in the classroom only for those players to be declared ineligible later, possibly embroiled in scandal?
Second one:
If all this is true, it's entirely on the players, not the staff.
A, all day long, any day of the week, and twice on Sundays...
Agreed, time to man up for JJ and whomever else is in the situation. Mistakes are made, and this is how you learn from them.
I won't confirm anything as far as actions taken by the team. I will say this... whatever is going on. some of the things being said to certain player involved has this player pretty upset with "hokie fans" and that's the kinda thing that really pisses me off. these guys are HUMANS. people make mistakes. our lives aren't being ruined if we lose a football game. theirs maybe by some of the mistakes they make and they may not they may recover get it together and live a great life that none of us will care about because theyre no longer wearing maroon and orange. sometimes we just need to keep perspective. its bigger than football. no matter how much we bleed hokie blood.
I wish I had 25 legs to give to this comment.
Well said. IF the rumors are true, then I feel for the kid who simply made a poor decision. It would be terrible to have to learn a lesson like this, but it's less of a reflection of the person, but just a lapse in judgement.
I'm sick and tired of these kinds of VT "fans". I'm not even talking about folks who come on here with negative takes about the state of the program, that's a part of constructive discussion. I'm talking about Twitter maniacs who rampage over every little thing.
Exactly why you don't Tweet at the VT Beat reporter. It just gets the crazies out.
Or just don't tweet at all.
I'm too old for twitter but too young for life alert
I'm too old for twitter but too young for life alert
same
Howard Stern had some good advice in the wake of the Roseanne debacle last week:
Certainly more useful to society.
I bet I'm same age category. Twitter is fun to just follow a few people (TKP, Andy Bitter, Aaron McFarling and a few randoms who are fun like HokieEsq and her husband's dog FullerDogEsq).
Edit: and French (how could I forget him?).
I agree 120%, but I'll also say what about every SEC fan base? They're the absolute worst with players on social media and discussing every possible rumor. I sure hope our fans aren't that bad but maybe some are.
To be fair, I tend to believe Papa Mook about Mook's academic situation.
Is that a Hills gif???
I don't mind
Sweet Jesus. Wardrobe malfunction at work.
In a previous thread about 2 weeks ago Mook's father said his son wasn't going anywhere. I'll take his word over anything else floating around.
It's not Mook from what I understand... it's JJ and another player on that side of the ball.EDIT: This was wrong, the 3rd player involved is not looking at the same level of punishment. My apologies
Another player with what name?
I don't quite feel inclined to share the name yet, since we'll know soon anyway, but I hear it's a RB
EDIT: This person was allegedly involved, but is not looking at dismissal
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Oh that's good at least we have plenty of depth at that positi-
One step closer to Virginia Tech Feature Back Coleman Fox, assuming this mess doesn't involve him.
Hope Zonovan Knight is paying attention
It's super weird to me, that JJ of all players is a guy who could be kicked off the team due to grades. He grew up around Michigan football his entire life, and his dad is a coach. You know it has been drilled into him that his academics must come first from day 1.
For what it is worth (and maybe not much) a source of mine (not close to the program but has been right about a lot of things over the years) has said to me that the JJ thing is just a rumor and a false one. Take that as you will.
Fair enough, and I hope you're right. But I would bet my paycheck on the opposite, unfortunately.
Sounds like my source might have missed one. You have my apologies regardless of how this turns out.
please no more bad news.
This has been a soul killing off-season.
"Ugh there are too many OT topics. We need more football news and TKP needs to post more articles"
Welp!
At the rate we are going we won't have a football team to field. French might have to start providing his expert analysis of the men's water polo team....
Social media is the worst.
But it is also the best.
I am conflicted.
You were right the first time. It's the worst...
I think if I were a coach...Id have everyone delete their twitter accounts, Im sure it would go over swimmingly...but I just cant see anything good about having these kids on twitter.
a. Fans love them and they get big headed
b. Fans despise them and they get frustrated
"UNCLE". I SAID "UNCLE". STAAAAAHP
I don't have twitter, so I can't respond, but simple searches on twitter don't yield all the meltdowns that people are talking about on here. Anyone care to post some examples (links will do, don't have to embed).
I can't stand fans like this, I was at my desk this morning, like I can't believe people cheat in school. Then I went back to my past and realized there had been instances when I straddled the line of an honest grade myself. These are 18+ year old kids, we truly need to give them a break. I'm sure there are plenty of people who call themselves VT fans that have made some serious life mistakes. Only some of us "escaped" the consequences, and we can't be on a soapbox yelling at other depraved individuals because we are so far removed from our mistakes of the past.
I hear ya. But they're not kids.
Some of them are literally 3 months removed from living under their parents' roof. A lot still go live under their parents' roof during the summers. They're kids.
That's a terrible qualifier for how and when one transitions to adulthood:
https://www.cnn.com/2018/06/01/us/son-moves-out-of-parents-home/index.html
So, I disagree. They're immature adults, who should be learning about real consequences for their actions.
Ok I get your rebuttal but pls don't compare a 19 year old living at home over the summer to a 30 year old without a job living at home
I was responding to your single argument that qualified them as kids because they lived at home.
But, I will go further and stand behind my opinion that they are young adults, who need to learn that when do something there are real consequences that they will need to accept. If they can't handle that, then maybe they're still kids. Time to become men.
I agree, they're young adults. Hey, bad grades are one thing, and something that can be corrected over time, but cheating is an entirely different animal. You cheat and get caught, you need to pay the consequences of your actions. It's all about personal responsibility, and if you're too immature to realize cheating is wrong, and what you're doing is harming a lot of other people besides you, then maybe you need to take a break from school for a while to mature. Hopefully, we're not talking about cheating here.
Ryan Willis is going to be dropping dimes all night long against FSU.
:(
Ryan Willis is the type of guy an OL misses a block on purpose for
Since we're in a thread about unsubstantiated rumors...I'll bite
Why is that?
because he picks fights with team mates, broke a bottle over Oscar Bradburn's head, then threatened to sue Oscar and another team mate when they kicked the shit out of him for breaking said bottle. Also, the reason he's a walk-on is that his daddy is rich and was willing to foot the bill for his tuition if his kid got serious consideration for QB, which he never lets his teammates forget. There are also rumors of him cheating off of other students and physically threatening them when they tell him no.
Needless to say, I'm hoping all these Jackson rumors are really Willis rumors because I have trouble rooting for someone I know to be a douchebag (just like I had trouble rooting for Marcus).
There, the rumors you've all been waiting for. Discuss.
Geeze, you make him out to be almost as bad as Glennon.
Not cool. I heard Glennon had a big head and ego, but that was it. Most of those rumors are far worse than anything Glennon said or did.
I chuckled, assuming the "/s" was implied, but haven't we bashed Glennon enough as a fanbase?
Well if he's really changed as jobushokie implied, then I'm cool. All good.
#teamQuincy
might as well start sometime.
Holy shit. So JJ is gone and Willis is an asshole.
Well, I guess we still got basketball.....
I took back my down vote - if those rumors are true, Im with you.
Glennon was a dick off the field, can confirm. He admitted it himself in the Hokie Huddle podcast, he sounds like hes grown up, which I can respect.
Would you say Bradburn decked him straight away? Put him on his ass?
Getting glassed and then being able to kick the ass of the guy who did it is why you don't glass Aussies in the first place.
First play next season...
Why would that be the first play? Maybe you should take a day away from the board....reflect on things?
Its almost like you didn't read any of this subthread and only came after me because you disagreed with me below...
I think getting caught up in locker room drama is a little beyond what we should be doing as fans. I have faith that if it was a real problem that our coaching staff would excise the cancer. Rooting for our potentially starting qb to be sacked seems backwards.
I normally disagree with most of what Alum posts but that's not what he's saying.
He's saying if this is true, one of the linemen is likely to let someone through for one play just so Willis gets taught a lesson.
Hell, if what's posted is true, it'll probably happen in the first scrimmage of fall workouts
That's the kind of thing that creates even more problems.
If I were going to have a concern about coaching, it would be the kind that didn't put a serious full stop on that sort of thing.
That kind of behavior is for little kids, not participants in a serious football program.
This. If I'm CJF and my Oline pulled this shit with the quarterback I chose to start or even get backup reps, they would have serious explaining to do between stair laps.
If a Head coach doesnt know about on-going player drama within the program then we have a Jim Tressel situation brewing. Coaches (CEOs) are responsible for knowing about these issues and correcting them before gameday.
Football players and their squads are squads (and all teams and others like the military and the police) . One thing you want is a OLine on the same page. Something VT has had a major lack at also. One that looks out for the QB because there's a unity and when shit happens that looking out can be used for the opposite. Is it the Panthers that are so good and together with Cam and Cam is big on the Taking them out for dinner?
CJF either knows about it and has addressed it or the story is offseason filler
So you're saying we play defense first... right?
Was it at least a bottle of Fosters?
Would it be possible that Willis being an A-hole is really the fault of the Hokie support staff?
Holy shit.. In the terrordome on 247 a few weeks ago (Q&A type discussion with the site mods every thursday night for VIP members on 247) I jokingly asked who the mods would pick from the team to back them up in a bar fight and they both instantly said Oscar Bradburn. I thought they were just joking b/c he's an Aussie, but now it all makes sense... Bradburn really is a badass
Why would a OL miss a block on purpose for Willis?
Look...the tar heels didnt get in trouble....so I wouldnt worry.
Yeah but they got their asses kicked a lot
Remember when I said a few of those Athlon pre-season All-ACC guys won't see the field this year? Yeah....
Few is way too broad this is getting rough
Order of importance:
1. Walker because he's the only top-25 team caliber DT we have
2. Nijman because he's the only top-25 team caliber OT we have
3. Floyd because our safety depth is unproven behind him
4. Bradburn because he's a stud
5. Josh because Willis is more talented anyways
6. Mook because Hunter is more talented anyways
Didn't put AA in because he's already gone.
Lol. You just say these things as fact but are so incorrect it's funny.
I can live with being laughed at on a forum.
Why is this downvoted? Other than having an opinion that's unpopular, I'm not seeing the violation of rules here.
I haven't seen any official announcements or anything from Bitter? Do we think we'll get one?
Why shit gotta be like it is
Holy shit, 2nd? Color me shocked.
Congratulations JJ detractors. You got your wish.
I don't think anyone wished for the kid to get kicked out of school.
That's fair, leg.
To be specific I just meant that JJ won't be starting.
Edit: I can understand downvoting my initial post, but I don't see what warrants giving this post the same treatment (except me now complaining about downvotes).
I didn't downvote either of them...but I'll give you a couple of legs.
Lemme guess, someone suggested that JJ might not be Tom Brady or Mike Vick, and you equate that to them being glad he was kicked out of school. Cmon man, who wanted JJ unceremoniously expelled for cheating? Nobody. And didn't you complain about twitter "fans" above? lol.
Like hell I did. You can read my clarification two posts down from the one you're on about.
Grind your ax somewhere else dc.
No axe at all. "Welp you got your wish"... how else am I supposed to interpret that?
In the least charitable way possible regardless of what I said below the original post because we both know the esteem you hold me in.
Nah man I love you Fencer... I'm just saying the post came across that way to me, my bad and thanks for clarifying.
It did to a lot of people, and that's my bad. I just want to make it clear what I meant without removing the original post.
*lots of bad words and things kids hear when dad walks his knee into a trailer hitch*
Is this source legit?
Was the first violation that haircut. What was going on there. Like he was in between two haircut decisions and just never picked one.
Yeah, at a certain point you have to question the support staff of VT. If this was just one player having issues, its one thing, but for one starting corner and now possibly our starting QB or the other starting corner to all be kicked out for academics... WTF.
This is the kind of shit that makes us look bush league. Other schools make sure their athletes stay eligible. Argue the ways they make it happen all you want, but they make sure it happens, and I know for a fact we at least strive to keep these kids eligible, too. So what the hell is it. Yes, its on them to keep their grades up, but if this is true, we absolutely failed these kids in their careers.
After what happened with Revis and now seeing this... I dunno, something rotten seems to be creeping into VT the last few years.
Ehhh it's pretty unfair to blame anyone on the football staff for Revis.
Mixed 2 thoughts into 1. Not blaming the support staff for Revis, that statement was more in regards to the seemingly heightening of the ongoing feud between the academic and athletic side of the school.
Are you really blaming the support staff for not being able to convince the academic side to create fake majors?
The Revis situation wasn't a support staff thing... It was an issue where the student conduct committee (please correct me if this is the incorrect name for the group) found Revis 'guilty' of a 'crime', despite the fact that there was evidence that clearly proved him innocent.
I don't know anything about this alleged honor code violation scandal, but it seems like Alum07 is frustrated that the athletic program isn't fighting for the 'rights' of athletes. I think that the Revis incident was a failure on the University. I'll hold my judgement on this issue until I learn more. From the rumors I've seen here, I don't think I'll be siding with the kids...
OK, I'll bite, what do you mean by this statement:
?
I didn't like the word 'rights', but I couldn't think of another word. Revis got fucked by the student council (or whatever that committee is called. also, yes, pun intended). It sucked that the football team/athletic dept couldn't do anything about it.
I know nothing about the current situation other than what is found in this thread, and I think it's completely unrelated to the Revis situation. But I understand how the two situations could easily get lumped together.
Alum, we usually agree on things, but I cannot disagree more with blaming the staff on this one. If the rumors are true, JJ is fully responsible. I'd even meet you halfway and say the staff played a small part of it on the first offense (I am on the fence if I even believe this statement myself), but the second time, it's all on him. Same goes for AA, he should've gotten scared straight by that drug situation. At some point these kids are accountable for their actions. Are kids going to make dumb mistakes? Sure. But there are consequences in life, sometimes they are delayed consequences, but nevertheless there are consequences, and rarely do you skate free on poor decisions. The staff simply should ensure the kid is going to class and has the tutors to help him succeed, that's their only responsibility. They sign that scholarship knowing that there are standards they have to uphold as student athletes. I'm not implying that you are taking this angle, but I feel like that response has a hint of the "victim complex" that is so rampant in our society (yet again not implying that's the angle you took, just making an assessment from my POV). I think if anything our staff should be applauded for doing what teams like UNC can't do, and that's boot our starting QB (if the rumors are true). It sends the message that no one is bigger than the rules, or bigger than the team. Some of those kids on the team aren't academically gifted, but are working their arses off to succeed and stay on the team. Those are the kids that should be celebrated and rewarded, not someone who chose to make a poor decision TWICE! #HotTakeIllRegretForPostingLater
I don't see why you would #RegretPostingYourOpinion ?
Its a solid one...stick to your guns.
Don't regret what was said, just wasn't sure I was ready to throw my hat into the ring per se, for this particular conversation. Not a fan of throwing shade or starting worthless arguments here, and I didn't take much time to reread my post before hitting the "post" button. Felt like things could be taking the wrong way easily.
If Jackson got a second honor code violation, nobody failed him but himself.
I'm sorry, but where is the accountability of the players? Support staff can't know what a player is doing all times and it is probably very difficult to stop someone from cheating. They know right and wrong and shouldn't have been doing it.
That academic staff works their asses off to keep those kids eligible. They do EVERYTHING in their power to get them the help they need to succeed. I don't want to hear anything about this being put on them. At some point kids have to grow up and make the right decision for themselves. It's impossible to make every decision for them. Allegedly, he made the wrong choice twice. That's on him. I don't want to hear shit about that staff.
ehh not buying it. If it was just one player, sure... but you're talking about no less than 3 players, at least 2 of which were major contributors last year and were expected to do so next year.
The kneejerk reaction to say "not our problem" is exactly the thing we need to stop. These kids were failed by our staff. It might not be completely obvious how it happened, but they were failed. Now is when we do an internal audit to see where the gaps are, close them up, and make sure this shit doesn't happen again.
This comment sounds pretty chicken little and honestly, I can't disagree with you more.
Naive...and just looking to blame someone for a students mistakes.
You obviously haven't read a lot of Alum's previous posts...
I have actually...and I usually disagree with them, but don't say anything.
this, so very much this
Once again, saying "its just a student making mistakes" is the easy way out of this. Wash your own hands of any blame and move on to the next one, that's the easy thing to do.
I'm not advocating for the easy thing. We need to have an internal audit to see where any gaps may exist. Having this kind of back to back (to back?) academic dismissals for high profile players is not a good look at all for the school, and we should absolutely look internally to see what can be done to not have it happen again. Look, I'm not saying we need to break any rules, but from the outside it sure as hell looks like a ball was dropped somewhere, and we're only doing ourselves a disservice to not make sure we're doing everything to the best of our abilities to keep them eligible (within the limits of the rules as used by our peers).
If said audit shows that there was nothing we could do here, so be it, chalk it up to just an unfortunate set of circumstances. But at least look internally before throwing your hands up and going "our luck is so bad!"
I agree that they need to review everything, and shore up the academic support. I'd have preferred if someone had seen this coming and been able to take preventative measures.
I disagree that anyone should be blaming the coaches and support staff, before we even know the details of what actually happened.
I particularly object to the term "Bush league". It's too much.
I'm more comfortable blaming the support staff rather than a bunch of 18-20 year old kids... But I guess its easier to go after the kids than ourselves.
I also said that it makes us appear to be bush league, not that we are bush league. I don't personally think we are, but perception matters, and seeing us lose 2 key high profile players like this in quick succession should raise red flags.
18-20 year old = adult. Especially when it comes to doing your fuckin homework with integrity, like you've been doing since you were in elementary school.
So when TKP criticizes them for their play, its unacceptable because they're a bunch of 18-20 year old kids, but when its their grades, screw them they're adults they should know better?
They should know better than cheating or not doing their work in order to stay eligible.
That far I'll go, as that's the discussion here.
No way! I criticize their play a lot. There is a right and wrong way to do so (not that any of us are always right). Do you think their coaches don't criticize their play?
And are you really arguing that an 18-20 year old might not know that academic misconduct is wrong, and has multiple infractions without being informed otherwise, while being the starting QB for a power 5 football program?
I'm not saying anything one way or another. I'm just pointing out a pretty blatant double standard that exists within TKP right now. Many of the same who are ripping into the player in this situation, and saying you can't blame the staff for the actions of the player are going to be saying pretty much the exact opposite come the season.
I think there's a difference between ripping a kid for not making a tackle or a throw and ripping a kid for cheating. One is an inadvertent mistake or failure to execute, and one is a a conscious decision to do wrong.
I certainly won't be saying the opposite.
If they cheated and got caught twice...and subsequently found guilty of it, then they are to blame. Not the staff, not the posters on TKP, not the fan base.
I don't see any double standard.
If they're blatantly cheating on the field, get caught, and then do it again. Yea, feel free to criticize them then too.
Like Holding? ;^)
Well I think the big difference here is the that on the field, the consequences are yellow flags and yardage. In real life the consequences are expulsion from a school, blemishes on the permanent record, incomplete college degree etc.
We should be able to criticize anyone about anything.
Yes, we should be able, but should also have the good sense and good manners to know when it is and isn't appropriate or helpful.
I guess it bothers me that we are obligated to cheerlead for the team
You're not obligated to cheerlead, but if you're going to take the approach of criticizing anyone about anything, you need to be prepared to be criticized for that because it's the standard you're setting for yourself.
I don't blame a bunch of 18-20 year olds. Just the ones who didn't do their academic work or cheated, if that's what happened.
Yes, we should have support staff in place helping, but they can't do the work for the students.
I'm more comfortable letting news come out and giving it a day before we dump blame anywhere. Let's a chill.
conduct issues are on the individual. if you tell me not to run a red light and I do it, it's on you?
AA's situation was chronic...he had been on the edge seemingly forever. At some point, the player has to own it. On balance, I think the record of VT's athletic/academic support staff is amazing.
Literally.
bubonic chronic?
conduct issues are on the individual. if you tell me not to run a red light and I do it, it's on you?
Actually...I ran a red light the other day and got pulled over.
I told the cop it was the fault of the Virginia Tech Academic support staff...they let me off with a warning.
I'm more comfortable blaming the support staff rather than a bunch of 18-20 year old kids... But I guess its easier to go after the kids than ourselves.
You are a real piece of work....I guess just go with whatever makes you most comfortable. Go after ourselves? So you are blaming the support staff and the members of TKP for this?
Are you going to make it a point to reply to every one of the comments with a snarky jab?
Nah...I think I am done now...you really ticked me off with your "BLAME THE STAFF" line of reasoning. If anything is bush league, its you blaming the staff or the teachers.
I'd rather have a staff that kicks kids off the team for academic reasons than have a staff that doesn't care and doesn't enforce consequences for actions.
This x MILLION. It speaks volumes for the school.
Because it signals that we do exact opposite of schools like UNC?
I don't see everyone saying "Our luck is so bad." I also think you are attacking the credibility and liveliehood of the academic staff, without knowing the circumstances. These people have careers and families....to question their performance and call it "bush league" is just wrong. You don't know what happened.
Wash your own hands of any blame and move on to the next one, that's the easy thing to do.
Are you saying that we, here on TKP, have to take a measure of the blame also? Wash our own hands of any blame? Do you say I should take some of the blame for this?
You aren't making sense.
Ill take A. the kid that has played for VT and has context, thanks...
I have a feeling it has to do with a change in recruitment from Beamer to Fuente ( Some these guys might be Beamer guys).
This shit happens all the time in College Football. We could be recruiting people that are a little more fringe on being able to be good students, but again what football program that tries to compete doesn't? High risk - High Reward.
Not worth my time if you're that ignorant on the topic. Keep doing you man. On top of playing, I tutored for the athletic department during my time there. Gonna trust my opinion a little bit more.
So...you were actually a member of the academic support staff?
I side with you 100%.
The kneejerk reaction to say "not our problem" is exactly the thing we need to stop. These kids were failed by our staff. It might not be completely obvious how it happened, but they were failed. Now is when we do an internal audit to see where the gaps are, close them up, and make sure this shit doesn't happen again.
This is ludicrous....speechless to your mentality.
Thanks for your contribution.
If you don't like my contribution, then you can blame it on my support staff.
Fucking hell, this gif is absolutely perfect.
Legs on legs on legs.
I'm a sucker for a good gif. In some cases, a good gif is simply a good gif, regardless of the context in which it was used. In special cases, a simply good gif can be great, when used in proper context.
This particular gif usage ... masterful!
I happen to know a few people who have worked on the academic side of keeping players eligible. When I hear honor code violations, academic ineligibility, etc. I have very little sympathy towards that player. They are given so many more resources than any normal student on campus, they are (generally) enrolled in less complicated majors, and their only requirement is to hit a minimum GPA requirement. That is all combined with the fact that they take minimum credit hours and then take more credits in the spring and summer.
I get it, University is not a simple thing, but they are literally given every resource at great cost to the University since most on on scholarships, and are still failing the academic honor system. But you find it in yourself to blame the people who give their time to help them? The people who get laughed at and made fun of by some of these players when they are actually spending their own time to get their grades up? The select players who say, and I quote, "I don't care about classes or tests, I'm here to play football," and then stand up and walk out of an examination.
I feel bad for the coaches who recruited them, the staff that invested no minimal amount of resources all to watch this player so focused on the slimmest chance of NFL glory that they couldn't take the shear multitude of advice and invest their scholarship in getting a degree as a proper fail safe. These players have no where to look but themselves, no matter how many of them are found for honor code violations. Every student at that school was and is held to the same code and thousands graduate each year without even coming close to the resources that these players have. They can do it, they just chose not to.
Good post!
As someone who has been a part of a D1 collegiate staff (basketball), I'll add some insight, and I understand that every program and situation has different resources and capabilities.
The coaches and staff can't hold each and every players' hands to class every single day and make them do their homework, classwork, not cheat on exams, make sure they study etc, etc. Even at our low level (MEAC) we had more than enough resources to provide our players with everything they needed to succeed in the classroom. So I can only imagine the resources VT players have at their disposal. It's up to them on whether they truly want to or not.
There are more than enough resources to lead the 'student athletes' to in order to help them. But at the end of the day, the 'student-athlete' has to buck up and be responsible for their own actions. You can lead a horse to water, but you can't make them drink. A HC or asst. can bark and bark and bark about 'doing your part' as a student, but it's up to them to actually do that part. If a player is cheating and breaking the honor code, that's NOT on the coaching staff, support staff, or the academic support staff. That is unless they knowingly encouraged it, but that's another bowl of bananas.
So I'll support Alum07 here (Kind of). IF there is a trend of football players being unable to stay academically eligible, the football staff should understand why. Are they not recruiting kids who are smart enough for VT? Do the kids not feel comfortable asking for help? Are coaches unintentionally suggesting that players ignore their academics in favor of athletics?
This doesn't mean we need to funnel all of our players in to 3rd grade basketweaving, a la UNC; but I think it's fair to ask the staff to do an internal audit and make sure they are not contributing to students' failure.
That's precisely what I'm trying to say. Thanks for detailing it better than I could.
Next time maybe just wait for someone else to come in and make the measured, reasonable take. Because you always come in hot, a winding thread of minor disagreements spiraling into vitriol ensues, and everyone else gets subjected to it. When if it was just stated in a little softer tone with a more measured approach, hardly anyone would have disagreed.
Reminds me of this commercial for some reason...
but NICK FOLES IS E L I T E
I'm only seeing two data points here in AA and (potentially) JJ. I know you emphasized the IF, but I think it's a large leap
Agreed - These are just rumors, and my comment is premature. And AA had a drug scare or two, so I'm not lumping him in with this. I just read Alum07's comment differently than everyone else, so I wanted share that.
Honestly my issue with this discussion is that the allegation so far (maybe it will change, this is still only substantiated by twitter) is that the player CHEATED. Nothing I've seen so far says this person was in fear of academic ineligibility. Those are completely different things. They can go hand in hand, but they definitely don't have to.
So far we have had one student athlete removed from school for confirmed academic ineligibility. That's not a trend. Especially when that guy has had self-professed maturity issues from the start. Honestly, I'd look at a guy like Tim Settle and say that's a win for the support staff. A lot of the credit goes to him, of course, but I'm sure the staff put in work with him too. You don't go from nearly being NCAA ineligible in High School to keeping grades at a school like VT without a major shift in thinking and a ton of help.
The coach's jobs are literally measured in W/L. To what purpose would it serve to ignore academics in lieu of athletics only to cut top players from the team for academic violations.
That is the point everyone here is trying to make. There are a ridiculous amount of resources for these players provided to them by the University to maintain the NCAA 90% of minimum GPA to graduate requirement. The University wants the players eligible because better team = better money. The coaches want these players eligible because better team = more wins = keep my job. It would make absolutely no sense to insinuate that the coaches or staff are ignoring or suggesting players focus on other things that would aid in rendering themselves ineligible. Eligibility to play is literally everything to the players, the coaches, and the University.
I get that you are trying to defend alum and what he may or may not have meant by his statements. But success on the field means putting players on the field. Academic honor is a huge pillar of Fuente's philosophy. So yeah i am going to side with the staff because they are professionals paid to do a job and are measured by their success. On the other side you have players who I watched flunk out of Tech when I was there, and it has never changed. Some want it bad, others thing it should be given to them. Its just part of the landscape.
OR the staff were doing their job and going out of their way to encourage these students to take it more seriously. But the group of them saw how easy it was to do the first time and so kept doing it, and made a personal decision to cheat and not put in the work.
See I can speculate with zero facts too! Come on everyone, join in!
Alum is being hyperbolic about something he knows nothing about. That's where this starts and ends.
If facts come out and he's right, then damn that sucks and VT needs to address it. But he's calling out a group of people, that by others personal account of have worked with or known personally, attest that they are a hard working dedicated group of individuals, and he's conflating that into some kind of systemic issue pervasive to VT that is so detrimental that it is a public relations nightmare, making us bush league.
UH... no. Not even close.
Maybe you meant to reply to a different thread, but I didn't see any speculation at all. I'm pretty sure all he was saying is that when a negative outcome occurs, you internally take stock of what went wrong, how it happened, and how it might have been prevented. Which is completely reasonable, even if you're pretty sure the answer is "we did our best, but kids do stupid things sometimes".
This was exactly my point.
I understood your point. I was attacking the original point which is rampant speculation and hyperbole, which was not your post.
should have been more clear.
bar1990 is not the target of my post. Alum is which is why I name him in my post.
I think this goes in the same support staff failures of the Admin in supporting our past players.
I havent kept up with the changes that were promised after the Shitfit we had a while ago, but yea support may be limited for players
Why don't we blame the young adult/student athlete who committed the violations, instead of the staff?
If its true, he made the choice to do it....TWICE.
(if its true)
The sky is not falling...Hooker, Willis, Patterson...again, if this is true.
Bush league? I'd rather be a graduate of a school who doesn't openly create fake classes or hand out degrees like bubblegum wrappers for the athletes. If I wanted that I would have graduated from UNC. If someone did cheat then it's on them.
Seeing VT win the national championship has been a dream since I was a kid and my dad let me stay up late to watch the 99 sugar bowl. It's a tough pill to swallow to realize we may never accomplish this in the current landscape of the game where fake classes and money passing hands are so prominent. But I wouldn't have it any other way--I have always felt great pride in VT trying to do right by the families that trust us with their children.
I'm sorry, but outside of the Revis situation these kids failed themselves if this turns out to be true. Just like I failed myself when I was a student at Tech. Yeah, I was seventeen and wasn't ready for college; I didn't know how to study because I was mistracked in middle school and high school nor did I have the maturity and discipline to be in college at the time. But instead of trying to get help in college I just kept doing the same things and they're likely given far more chances and far more resources than I did plus had people to kick them in the butt probably daily to get them to doing the right things.
That being said, this is all speculation until we get official word on anything.
For all the immaturity you attributed to yourself in your post, it appears that you have matured now. Kuddos (sp?) to you for the maturity to recognize your own mistakes and not be blaming others. Best of luck in your life journey.
the only thing making VT look bush league are dumbass, hyperbolic fan comments like this that are based on zero facts
*that's a bingo.gif*
From what I am hearing about a certain player that rhymes with Maronis, he couldn't have passed classes at UNC or NRCC. He literally did not do any work for a year and a half. Coach Fu presented him with a "get well" plan and he choose to go to the supplemental draft instead. VT did EVERYTHING they could absent of taking his tests for him, etc., which Whit and Fu are not going to do/put up with.
Everytime I open this thread...
Half-way10!!! to plaid... I can dream can't I?Dream come true!
My pleasure to be upvote 100 for you.
When I woke up today, I knew it was going to be a special day!
My first Plaid comment! I will cherish it.
Some say that the Caps were the big winners of the week, but no. No, sir, I say it was you. It was always you.
When dreams become reality!
Does anyone know if Bruce Garnes is still making sure the players are going to class. I'm not sure if he retained his position, when the new staff came in. I know he still works in the Athletic Department, but he needs to come back if he's not in that position.
...I think Garnes is on Buzz' staff now?
Correct. Bubba works for Buzz now.
That's hilarious, since Bruce is a huge UNC Hoops fan.
Yep,
Buzz snatched Bruce up when Frank retired.
This site has been depressing lately. My spirits are crushed and we haven't even taken a single snap yet.
Well we just got the #5 ranked player in Virginia.
....because he wasn't a take for the Big Dogs.
While negative... this is not untrue.
Care to explain?
Scuttlebutt is that he wasn't a take at Clemson anymore. They probably filled up on the position or had better prospects with a higher Win% hanging out there. Hopefully he found that out before he called them to tell them he was committing. Probably so, that's probably why UVA got involved a few weeks ago.
But piecing this together, it seems like we are getting good table scraps. Oh well, Tom Hardy didn't want my wife so I got her. Worked out okay for me, so far.
Very interested in the Tom Hardy portion of your statement.
Tim Settle tried to talk to my girlfriend at McDonald's a couple years ago. I just sat there and took it.
Same thing happened to mine at Turner Place in the Corps Dinning Room lol. I encouraged her to talk to him...
Clemson having a full class does not make CamRon Kelly table scraps.
As far as the Tom Hardy comment....don't sell yourself short....you are a tremendous pile of table scraps.
And why is that?
Well, lots of Hokie fans got their wish today... JJ will not be the starting QB in 2018
#thiswasnotmywish
Edit: to clarify, I do not know personally... just what I've been seeing.
Is it confirmed?
Bitter hasn't tweeted anything yet about it (as of a minute ago)
of all the days for my dad to cancel his TSL subscription
A meltdown over whether its the player's fault or the staff's fault over an allegation that hasn't been confirmed for a college kid (almost) none of us know personally or know any details therein.
We have officially reached peak offseason. Calm down everyone.
Right about now the ability to lock a thread would be great. At this point I just want to see a credible statement confirming or denying this stuff. All this speculation is not helping anyone
I can't leg this enough.
People would just start another speculative thread.
I'm happy if people at least don't put the negative rumors in the recruiting/recruit announcement threads, or tweet rumors.
Psst. I told you...... ;^)
Never not going to upvote this gif when it's posted.
I don't often make a quality gif (this is about par for me quality-wise). I must've been inspired that day.
Normally don't consider Anne Hathaway qualified...
... but now I've got ZZ Top playing in my head.
I'll upvote this because it's not Emma
It's happening. I cannot wait till more people convert to team anti-emma.
Do we need to have a thread dedicated for nominating Emma replacements?
That will never be me. Emma isn't going anywhere. This roller-coaster just keeps getting worse. People are becoming anti-Emma?!
No, no, no, no. I just couldn't find a good leg gif of Emma that day. (At least not as leggy as that one.)
OK, yeah, that works...
confession time: I've always been team Anti-Emma. I just kept up appearances.
Don't let anyone else know.
Leg for the X-God
Are you anti good looking chick in general? Or just this particular one?
Anti people spamming the same 5 gifs of emma that pop up on the first google search of "emma watson gif" then expecting a shower of turkey legs.
In my defense of the gifs below, I chose the one I did intentionally and don't particularly care if I get legs for the post. :)
To be fair, I usually select an Emma gif if it's appropriate for the occasion. Here's the one your post warrants (not Emma):
All I ask for is high FPS, some context, and no "Emma Tax" and we are good.
first of all why so hostile
Second of all, she just doesn't do it for me. Why that gotta be a problem?
edit: but since you asked, Gal Gadot, Carlson Young, Madelaine Petsch, and Marisa Tomei all very much do do it for me. So, I guess my answer is no, just that particular one.
I think we need to flesh this out in another thread where both sides provide gif evidence on whether or not we should explore options to promote a new Emma going into the next 10 years of TKP existence, and then we can make a reasoned decision as soon as all the.... facts... are presented.
You know... for research purposes....
Haha i probably should have included a /s
EDIT: And I will have one of everything you are having.
This is weirder than my cheese takes
Well you could be the commander in cheese.
Sweet mercy...
I think I'm more pissed about finding out that Willis is the bottle-smashing-rich-kid-asshole than I am the JJ news. JJ being gone, although I'm a big fan and had high hopes, opened it up to 3 other talented QB's. Willis, who is likely the starter, being an asshole is much worse for me.
This is only comparable to MV5 (Glennon may have been tough to root for and you felt he probably wasn't the greatest teammate, but the main frustration was his incompetence). I hated that MV5 team because I knew I really didn't like the kid. Even when he was successful, even when he was flipping off WVU, you had it in the back of your mind that he was a dick and it was going to come back to hurt him (and us as fans). Then the stomp and you were like, "Yep, been waiting on that."
Now, starting another year (please tell me Willis is a senior) with a QB that one story really painted a picture of the type of person I can't stand (and probably most Hokies can't because he comes across as quintessential hoo)............this is just painful.
Wai- what?
Where did you hear that?
I met him at the spring game and he seemed like a pretty great guy
Sauces? Stories?
I will admit I do not read every comment on this site
Somebody brought that up higher up in this chain (I'm pretty sure). I'd say just ctrl + f Willis. I had never heard those rumors before today either.
It was originally floated out in the Alexander dismissal thread. Been hinted at several times since.
about midway up this thread.
Read this thread.
Edit: I'll see myself to the fridge.
Yes, read it, but take EVERYTHING with a grain of salt.
grab a bottle for me, please? I didn't repeat anything, I just want a beer.
Just make sure you safely deposit that empty bottle in the proper receptacle of your municipality.
scroll up, or just hit CTRL-F and type "bottle" in the box
There are an awful lot of assumptions being made here.
I mean, it's rumor thread and all, but I'm not seeing the rationale for adding to the problem, and making love/hate decisions based on them.
Fair enough, just going by what I know.
Which is....you know.....almost nothing.
......just, what is going on
Until we know more? Rampant speculation and 'the sky is falling'. You know, the usual around here ;)
I still think we will be just fine....Hokies will surprise some people.
I still have my 4 years of eligibility, I can re-enroll for grad school if we need.
Only if you bring your brother too.
He's not that athletic nor does he have the size....
But if both of you are playing, whenever you mess up, you can just blame it on him.
If I read this post correctly I believe you are supposed to blame the support staff
So several hours in and there still has been absolutely no reports of any real substance so far. Obviously there is something happening but are we going to get any real news today?
My guess?
If any of this is even remotely true, any news that comes out will be tomorrow. Late tomorrow, because that's how most 'bad/black eye' stories get buried - by coming out late on Friday so it becomes an "also ran" while people are focused on other things and becomes easily forgotten.
If it's unsubstantiated? Later today or early tomorrow.
Can we just take the average of all the comments on this thread and, whatever that comes to, consider it to be fact?
I am pretty sure the standard deviation of that would be insane. I really hope this isn't another game of telephone that has gone completely off the rails like the Mook nonsense.
*crunches the numbers*
My friends, here's the facts we know right now:
Oscar BradburnEmma Watson was so incensed at the support staff for their abject failure regarding Jackson, thatheshe began to beat them senseless with a bottle. We can't really extrapolate beyond this.I regret that I had already legged this post.
we need that in a meme with this guy
As a statistician...no.
If you don't care about why you can stop reading this comment now.
Even if you had a good natural language processing model, unless you have a good way to account for the bias of particular commenters (which maybe you could get by going through TKP post history and training a model on the truth of their past posts?), then you cannot get an estimate with an expected value of the truth.
Even so, most NLP models employ machine learning, which, while very good at nonparametrics, and estimation, do not typically provide an estimate of variance. That means that even if you could get a model that said something like "90% chance it is true" you wouldn't have an estimate of margin of error. Since percentage predictions are usually done with logits (a nonlinear transformation of the odds), the margin of error could still make it something like "between 1% and 99% chance it is true"
Nerd speak. Oh yeah!
*flirty Emma Watson gif*
Maybe I'm in the minority, but I feel like a thread full of speculation on the character of 18-21 year old kids (ahem, bottle-smashing-rich kid-asshole) is not a good look for any of us.
Its ok as long as we're only talking about their academics, right?
No. Remember that these are kids who, much like the rest of us, chose to come to VT instead of other universities. While I get that being an athlete puts them in a much brighter spotlight than most of us who were students we should remember that their names are now in the comments of the thread. If it turns out that this is baseless speculation (or if the rumors are about another player entirely and we will find out when/if a statement ever comes) one Google search of their names by a future employer will lead them right here. To us. Taking about how X person is an asshole, or how his academic work ethic is trash, etc. (even if it's complete rubbish.).
Their not kids. They're legal, actual, factual, literal adults.
I don't think you are. This whole thread is a whole load of ridiculousness. Every possible rumor is just being taken and run with nothing concrete to back up any of this. The level of maturity being shown here is disappointing.
Only they're not kids. They're adults.
Yes, they are adults. But speculating about what they may or may not have done wrong isn't helping anyone. Everyone makes mistakes in their lifetime, and sometimes they makes the same stupid mistake over and over because they never learn. It's happens and there is nothing we can do about it. When/if someone is dismissed from the team, that is the end of it, pointing fingers solves nothing.
Now see, I'm on board for that (in principle) as long as we aknowledge that they're NOT KIDS.
I can agree with that. But I remember when I was 18-20 years old and I was pretty stupid. Now is when they learn that their actions have consequences. It doesn't do any good as fans to speculate though. Yes, if true, it is very disappointing, but again, that is where it ends. Dragging someone's name through the mud or attempting to place blame is not beneficial to anyone.
Same boat
While I hear you, I can't help but feeling we're supposed to be learning that when we're younger (also recognizing that perfection won't be attained @ 18-20 & beyond).
I agree wholly. That said, it is also an unfortunate part of the deal/game of sports. Also, I think it can be discussed in a more civil/attempted objective manner.
It's okay, though, because this thread is set to private, right?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YWdD206eSv0
I say we all abandon computers/cell phones/twittertubes and meet at tots now for whiskey, cornhole, and shenanigans.
Thread winner!
I'll start with a rail first to prime the liver
Red Bull Rail > Original Rail
I don't think it's clear cut. I like both. There are time when I want a Red Bull Rail, and there are times when I want the classic.
That's fair. If I switch it up from a red bull rail I go straight to Gin and Tonic.
Im still distraught that I didnt learn about the redbull rail until after I graduated.
Maybe it was a good thing?
You had me at shenanigans!
/gestures broadly at this thread
I finally got back to scrolling this thread after a long day at work, saw the comment above and literally said this gif in my head right before scrolling to your comment. Well done.
Perfect, now we can renew our arguments knowing that the rumor has been substantiated.
What are the odds his sauces are all posters here?
I have it on good authority that if you have an account here you're an "industry insider" on a "reputable website" with "many sauces".
Is it sad that I'm still holding on to hope since he doesn't have a blue check mark for his handle and I haven't heard of him before?
Article on Richmond Times
His father's quote: "As of right now, Josh is still a member of the Virginia Tech football team," Fred Jackson said Thursday by phone. "We'll know more in two days. It's too early to talk about this."
Yeah, this rumor has some substance now.
Link
drink for linking same article?
I wish but I am at work. Centos 7 does not handle those 4k monitors very well and it can be hard to see the difference between links and text.
Hey, look! An actual #sauce!
Caribbean Jerk FTW.
I would have gone with Mango Habanero, but every time I get it I'm reminded that mango is not my favorite fruit flavor.
Wild is without a doubt their best sauce.
Gonna have to try it. I got Blazin' twice but didn't really like it.
Yeah blazing is just heat but no good taste. Wild has the heat and tastes good. If they ever bring it back, one of their LTO sauces called Scorpion Rum was also delicious but would make your scalp melt.
I'm a huge Thai Curry fan
My dad has diabetes.
Caribbean Jerk is nectar of the gods. Leg.
I'm team Spicy Garlic at B-dubs.
Much as I love JJ (just like every QB we've had from Tyrod on), I'm not too concerned. The only QB I'd be that worried about losing is QP.
We're going to be underdogs all year now... that makes me excited.
What are the odds Fuente is on the phone with Patterson right now trying to get him to switch majors?
edit: /s
None.
Glad he knows how to work. I slept through classes in HS (partial boredom) and graduated with a 3.3. Shame I didn't have his level of motivation or support :(
And, yes, I'm GPA-envious
Small difference between high school and VT engineering.
Correct. There's also a difference between your average student who makes excuses and a student who is a stud athlete, from an under served area in Chicago, getting a 4.5 while dealing with his father's declining health. This kid is lazer focused and said that Godwin Hall was a big selling point for him.
I was just kidding bud
I'm assuming you're being sarcastic, but a GPA >4 would indicate that he's taking a lot of AP (college level) classes and still earning A's. That's a smart kid right there, who's already excelling at college-level classwork in high school. I hope he's knocking his AP exams out of the park too. Coming in to college with lots of credits already under his belt will undoubtedly make balancing the demands of athletics and academics so much easier. I know that getting to skip Chemistry and one semester of English my freshman year made the rest of my college career so much easier. I had most of my electives completed in my first 3 semesters and the final 2-1/2 years were so much less stressful.
It is always a good thing to have an elite and talented QB who can ENGINEER scoring drives.
Just saying...
So I take it Quincy Patterson plays school and football?
Y'all hear we got a blue chip recruit today?
Yep saw the Cam'Ron Kelly story pop up on facebook. Came to see everyone reaction and then found this thread instead.
This is the type of content I come here to see!
I thought things were looking up with the recruiting news, and then....
via GIPHY
Leg for nearly making me lose my composure with this gif while sitting in a lecture about compliance for trust officers.
I have to give you one for browsing TKP during a lecture about compliance for trust officers.
What else was I supposed to do? Focus on the lecture?
Seriously, off-season. I can only hold so many beers!
Hakuna matata
Hakuna matata
This is so awful but I couldn't help but laugh.
Optimistic about Willis. We haven't had a QB to break beer bottles over heads since Druckenmiller!
The fuck??? We're better than this bullshit, right now there's no reason to believe the teams situation is any different than we thought it was at the start of the day.
The Jackson hate is straight idiotic. If you're not directly associated with the team and haven't seen Hooker and Patterson play and develop in practice then all you have to go on Jackson is last season and the spring games. Anyone who believes 100% that Josh Jackson shouldn't be our starting qb in the future, based on that information alone, is a fucking dumbshit. What's the reasoning? Because he's not 6'5 and doesn't run a 4.4? News flash hardly any qb's do that, and James Blackmon isn't near as good. Decision making and accuracy, that's all you need. Athleticism is important sure, and JJ totally has it. I'm sure a lot of this is preaching to the choir but it's gotta he said.
As far as Willis goes, we have every reason to believe Fuente knows about a million times more than any of us do about the situation and has handled it with extreme thought and care like he has just about everything else during his tenure. The rumors sound bad but I trust in the coaches to make the decisions, and fan speculations about likely imaginary locker room troubles never help anything.
Lastly these meltdowns over unconfirmed news... chill fam. Have some resolve. Name a better coaching duo than Bud and Fu, I'll wait.
As someone who has had all this information hit them at once, I can tell you it is difficult to process.
Side note:
Who is more of a shitshow right now? VT football or TKP?
Both organizations are doing a great job of embarrasing themselves imo.
TKP for sure. Crazy considering not even a month ago it seemed like half of us were hoping for Hooker or QP to take over...
Over the past couple years, I have dramatically decreased the amount of VT football information I digest in the offseason. I think it has been a great choice. During the season, everything is about the football itself. During the offseason, its all drama and discussion about the players themselves which really weirds me out.
Following the offseason is no different from watching shows like the Kardashians. Nothing of substance occurs and it brings out people's shallow side.
Notice how I said dramatically decreased. Not eliminated completely. I like to stay up to date, as I still consider myself an avid football fan, however I do not like to participate in discussion at or near the frequency that I used to. I have refrained from commenting on these player's character.
It the metaphorical slap fighting that people get into that I consider shallow.
Same... I generally avoid recruiting threads like the plague, either we get the guy and everyone is beyond happy (manic, maybe?) or we don't get the guy and the sky is falling and Fuente's days are numbered because he still can't bring in quality recruits.
These kinds of threads are similar, but I still tend to read them because there's probably some actual news in them that could have a major effect on the upcoming season. I guess I should just start waiting to see a new thread with a more definitive headline, since it would certainly show up shortly after an official announcement of some kind, but then again I'm not sure that there would be a new thread if the result is "nothing happened" or whatever.
I respect your loyalty, but it's been a real bad last few days (and months) for VT football.
If (and it's still a BIG if) these rumors are true, it's gonna be a front page story on ESPN's college football page. If it's true there's also going to be some national reporters sniffing around to find out what's wrong with the VT football academic support department.
I get that because people like finding someone to blame. But, at some point these guys have to grow up and be responsible for their actions. The staff can't hold their hand and make every single decision for them. AA even said he had all the resources and just made poor decisions.
I agree with your point - you gotta take responsibility for your actions. However, I am not putting any stock in AA's quote. Anything he says right now is with the sole intent of helping his draft stock.
LOL The national media doesn't care about VT during the offseason.
Suggest you go to http://www.espn.com/college-football/ and look at the links on the right.
I stand very corrected.
Totally understandable viewpoint.
But a starting QB at a top 20-ish Div. I program being academically ineligible would be a BIG story in college football.
Again, it's important to remember this is not confirmed. But it's certainly a dark cloud looming over the program right now.
TKP.
Injuries happen.
Academic issues arise everywhere. Though in some instances you hear, "has left the team to focus on academics"
All fan bases freak out about the recruit that got away.
Few fan bases critique the character of players and recruits the way some tkpers have in the last few weeks.
Its also the elitist manner in which some tkpers go about it. TKP is not some bastion of reason and sensibility that some view it as. VT fans are nk different from any other fan base. We are all the same people, only with different mascots.
Ahem. We don't drink Zima or cross our sabres doing hard things together.
There are way more people complaining about people complaining in this thread than there are people actually complaining
That's true in a lot of threads but not here. The problem isn't people complaining, it's the wild speculation and basically starting a game of "who can be the most negative".
My comment before was more addressed to the 12:30/1:00 crowd (hadn't refreshed since then). Glad that since then people have come back to a reasonable discussion
Yeah but this has to be the first thread in like history where we had a plaid comment and multiple blurred comments. That deserves a pat on the back!
I have never seen Alum07 be downvoted so many times in one day and he still has a 5000 leg lead on the leader board.
Alum is just running out the clock now.
TONIGHT ON UNSOLVED SHIT: FIND OUT WHO GIVES A SHIT ABOUT ALUM07'S LEG COUNT!
We now have 2 Plaid comments in the same thread!
That is an exceptionally large smiley face... I dig it!
How much is fact, how much is rumor, and how much is mean spirted gossip? In due time we shall find out. Fuente has got to be needing a lot of antacid pills right now.
I have relatives who graduated from Memphis. I'd say that school is excellent training for this kind of mess (assuming rumors are true).
This thread is fucking bonkers.
You can encapsulate everything about TKP right here.
This thread has gone off the rails lol...the investigation is still ongoing. How bout we wait until judgement is handed down before we make him walk the plank.
What happened to TKP?
Has the been an influx of TSL users?
Mo' money, mo' problems.
#FreeHooker
Wasn't that Louisville's problem?
No, IIRC, they were paid
Wait...if the Hooker is free, is she really.....oh...nevermind.
Is the over under on wins still 8.5? Might need to make a withdrawal
Today went from, "HELL YES! We got Cam'Ron Kelly!" to "Well, fuck. JJ is probably done for the season."
Nature seeks balance in all things.
Guess who just moved up a spot on the depth chart...
ooh I don't know if we want to follow his story arc
...and full of terrors.
Oh, wait, that's Aaron Eckhardt, not Nikolaj Coster-Waldeu. Never mind.
The is an emotional elevator.
The way our honor review board has gone with former players...
I ranted yesterday over on r/cfb about honor review board, it doesn't matter with athlete, nonathlete, anything. That board is designed to be a hammer. Everything is a nail to them. They are judge, jury, and executioner and it's a shit institution that needs to be changed and redesigned around helping empower students not kicking them out.
Teachable moments are everything to young adults and they squander them like UVA does #1 seeds.
This is an ignorant statement. Do you even know what the process and penalty structure is currently compared to what it used to be? Can you even speak to it? This is a university, NOT a court of law, everyone at the school is there on voluntary association. Are there things that can be done to make it better? ABSOLUTELY... but calling it a "shit institution" without speaking to the process an how it has evolved is ridiculous.
This thinking has gotten students run out of school over accusations alone with no recourse available to the accused.
By the student conduct committee, but has anything similar occured with the honor court? Edit: I'm asking specifically about players
My $0.02....
For the many thousands of dollars students pay the university, due process before getting suspended, expelled, etc should happen. I don't care how VT compares to other universities, the current "process" is shameful.
Disclaimer: I was not the victim of either of these boards, but my roommate got hit with a bunch of community service hours from VT for a noise violation miles away from campus.
It's "shameful" that someone had to do community service? After, presumably, someone in the community had to call the police because of noise?
I think he's referring to the university being the entity enforcing community service over an incident that happened off campus.
As a student at Virginia Tech, your behaviors influence the community and are a reflection on the University in the sense that any poor behavior can cause negative PR and perception of the University, as well as damaging consequences for illegal behavior.
It's in the Student Code of Conduct, which students agree to upon enrolling:
https://www.studentconduct.vt.edu/parents/faq.html
I suspect most people treat it like a Terms of Service and say, "yeah yeah whatever, just give me what I want" but ignorance is not a defense.
Yeah, don't do the noise if you don't want to do the community service...
Then don't fuckin enroll voluntarily after reading the honor code and the process (which I'm sure no incoming students do). Again, this goes back to the personal responsibility thing... Again, are there improvements to be made... I'm sure, but students should know the risks of even getting close to breaking the honor code. IF you do it, then you shoulder the risk of the consequences.
When I enroll, I expect that sufficient evidence will be presented before I am suspended or kicked out. That burden should be high and the cost of it is my tuition dollars. That is not the case and its shameful.
But the policies and procedures are there for you to read and understand before you decide to enroll. Damn, I've said it several times already, I AGREE there are things about the system that need to be improved, I do not think that it is a great process as it stands and it is almost impossible to win as a student, but my argument is that when you enroll you do in fact agree to this process. If you decided not to read it and understand what you're signing up for, then you cannot blame someone else when the hammer drops. This is not unique to VT either, it's pretty standard for many universities.
I take it you read all the lengthy terms and conditions for online services and would never get mad if they did something hidden in the fine print that wasn't cool because, after all, it was there in plain text.
I do not read them all, and sure, might make me upset if something happens that I didn't expect. But I'll quickly admit that it's my responsibility and that I signed up for it voluntarily. Also, do you think it's a mystery to most students that the honor court is nearly impossible to beat, or would you say that it's pretty easy to figure that out? I mean, nearly everyone here knows what a "shit institution" it is, right? Didn't stop them from going to VT, or maybe it did; in which case they made their own decision based upon the information available to them.
Edit: I'll happily take the downvotes from those who get upset reading an opinion that consenting adults should accept responsibility for any consequences that may result from their voluntary interactions with a given service provider.
There are very few people here that are pre-college. Everyone knows its a god-awful institution by experience or word of mouth either by going to VT or by their close friends going to VT.
I doubt many if any incoming freshman know what a shit storm their own honor court is. It's a joke.
Got it. Who knew a little research and due-diligence ahead of making one of life's most impacting decisions might be a prudent thing to do.
Got it. You're on as high of a horse as the people who abuse the power of the honor court.
lol. maybe we should start including an in-home pitch about the honor court when we go on the road recruiting. That should endear these 17 year olds to our university. Honestly, there are 6.5k new student each year and I bet maybe 20 of them read anything about an honor court. I get your point that you should know not to cheat when you are in college, but expecting high school kids to do research on the honor courts of the universities they are considering is a laughable suggestion.
Perfect, then so is the process and the consequences that result from them. If you cannot be bothered to even understand the basic process, then you certainly shouldn't feel surprised about whatever it might say. In the end: Play stupid games, win stupid prizes.
I never had to go to honor court. I heard how terrible it was. The waver that I must have filled out, and I can't remember even having to do it.
When I went to tech, there probably wasn't a good way to research the topic.
But let's be real, the form is probably given out after a college student has made a decision to go to school at VT. A school I am still paying thousands of dollars too, and has gone up in tuition every since I left.
I don't think their is any reason, why the system can't be just one. It should be innocent until proven guilty, not guilty right off the bat.
If you cheated you deserve the punishment, if you didn't you shouldn't get the same treatment. That's all anyone is asking for.
I understand your point of view, and thanks for presenting it in a mature way. One of the problems with the criminal standard which you cite being applied in this case, is funding to pay "prosecutors" to do the investigations and present the level of evidence required to prove something "beyond a reasonable doubt" which is the highest of all standards. I'm most of us are aware of the plethora of cheating methods available and ways to cover your tracks and/or blame someone else. As you as you introduce even one reasonable doubt, then no student can be found guilt of misconduct. I know that I want my degree to continue to carry a little bit of weight because it's backed with some integrity. I know it's not a perfect system, but you can't just apply the criminal standard to this and walk away, it won't work.
EDIT: Also, it should be noted that student athletes attend a class focused ENTIRELY on the honor system and the adjudication process, specifically aimed at giving them some special attention for better understanding of the process.
I know you are on the other thread with this in it:
I don't get how something like this still gets someone in trouble. You have the guy giving the test out, basically saying there is no way in hell they could have done it, and yet they get whacked.
IMHO you shouldn't be able to predict the outcomes of the majority of these things. It sounds like scare tactic and shame to get students to do free labor around the campus.
JJ should get kicked out of school if he did what he accused of, but it will be a shame if there is evidence he didn't do whatever he did, and still gets kicked out of school.
I understand, and yes that is certainly a valid gripe. I'd be arguing with you if my opinion was "the honor system is awesome!!" It's not, the process is not great, it does need adjustment (though I still do not feel like you can apply the criminal standard and wipe your hands with it, too many constraints there). But these guys are told about this process very early on. And in this case, it's JJs second infraction (if found responsible), so he's gotta own it at some point (again, IF he's responsible).
Actually, I don't know that. I don't think I really knew anybody that went through that. I did, however, go through Non-Judicial Punishment as a senior in the Corps. Some CO of mine was upset that I skipped the General's address to go watch VT pound UVA in baseball. Who schedules a Corps all-hands during VT/UVA baseball game? Like I was going to attend that! This was the game where Denny Hedspeth pounded a grand slam over the right-center fence (Spring 1993), and I called the shot right beforehand.
Was dorm restriction worth it?
(Wish I could tag a TKP poster in this, but he knows I'm talking about him.)
The problem isn't people not knowing about the code, or breaking the honor code and getting in trouble, it's about the fact that there's literally no due process.
Once, when I was on campus, my roommate illegally downloaded a video game. We both had to appear in front of the honor court, and were both forced to pay a couple hundred bucks each for some bullshit course about copyright and IP law, and the dangers of breaking said laws, even though only one of us was responsible for it.
Then, a few months later, we both received emails addressed to our names, but with the incorrect room number, stating that we had been caught illegally downloading music, with a list of songs that neither of us had ever heard of. We emailed IT, they replied admitting that they sent it to the wrong people, but we were already in the Honor Court system again so we had to appear anyway. We brought the reply from IT but the Honor Court said since we had a prior offense that we had to take (and pay for) the course again anyway.
Fortunately, neither of us were kicked out for it and in total had to pay "only" about $1k on top of tuition and fees and it hasn't affected our lives since, but it's still a bullshit system filled with power-hungry individuals wanting to show that they can "make a difference".
I am a former university employee and had a family member go through the process.
I stand by what I said and agree this is not a court of law. It should not be treated as such.
I think you're thinking of the Student Conduct committee. They are really bad about that. I was on the Corps Honor Court for three years, and decided to join the university Honor Committee as well. I quit after two cases because they were open and shut, definitely guilty, could have gotten a conviction in actual court, AND THE FUCKERS GOT OFF. The university honor committee is a joke. That said, I totally disagree with your last statement. You cheat, you should go home.
The honor court is not the same as the student conduct committee right?
correct, 2 separate units
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There are two separate policies governing student behaviors at VT. There is the Student Code of Conduct and then there is the Honor Code. The former governs your behavior and general conduct, the latter governs your actions with respect to the work you do. So if you get drunk and piss in the hallway of your dorm, the Student Conduct committee has jurisdiction. If you are accused of cheating on a test, the Honor Court decides the outcome.
Thank you for this explanation, I could not remember how these two groups worked for the life of me because my college shenanigans never had me running afoul of either.
Does anyone have a Richmond Times Dispatch account that can read Mike Barber's article?
And then share any relevant new details?
can't afford tkpc no way i can afford times dispatch
What about fortnite battle pass?
WAAAAYYYY out of the question
The day you join the TKPC I'm mailing you an Xbox gift card for the exact amount to get one. Then it's up to you to buy the V bucks and win enough each season to buy the next.
haha sorry to disappoint you but it just aint gonna happen
Well that's an essential...
Digital access only $1. Anyone got a dollar?!
Sidebar: I have a few thoughts regarding the meta in this thread.
For my money, with some of the discussion here, the jump to conclusions mat was busted out too early. In the last 24 hours 675 unique accounts browsed TKP, thousands do so weekly. TKP is a much larger community than it was a couple of years ago. There will be different points of view, and more outliers, on either end of the fence.
The reaction to the overreaction was as noisy (read bad).
Heavy-handedly admonishing the community at-large makes no sense to me. It doesn't help change the conversation. I gravitate to center-of-the-road logic. If you disagree with someone, engage with them in a constructive conversation, otherwise a general complain is just more noise.
Discussing rumors leads to poor discourse because there are little no facts and just speculation. Expect that in these sorts of thread. The fire hasn't been reported yet (and perhaps it won't be), but the initial smoke led to a lot more smoke (media reports from Barber, Bitter, Wood). This is more than a rumor, but the only real fact out there is something is amiss, which still led to speculation.
get out of here with your LOGIC and REASON. didn't anyone ever tell you that there's no room for MEASURED opinions when it comes to FOOTBALL?
Also... can we agree to delete this whole thread if it turns out he's not suspended?
no because if we don't learn from history we will be doomed to repeat it.
Nah, just make everyone who bashed him edit their post to say, "I'm sorry I judged a young person based on rumors, having zero evidence to support my position. I will now don the cone of shame and sit in the corner."
I disagree. I challenge you to trial by combat.
Does Trevor's Axiom apply to the Rumor Mill? Or is it a separate law?
I will be eager and very happy to eat crow on this, and will do it quickly. We need to prepare ourselves mentally for Jackson not being on the team in 2018. I'll leave it at that.
So Barber apparently talked to some of the coaches. It says they're optimistic that JJ will be able to play, but there will be no resolution until next week. Essentially what we already knew, save for the timetable of next week.
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When it comes to matters of VT and the Honor Court or Student Council or any of that jazz, I'll believe someone won't be punished only once its ruled they won't be punished.
Latest I've heard:
http://larrybrownsports.com/college-football/no-truth-to-rumors-josh-jac...
Going to laugh if end result was he took a class Pass/Fail and they are debating how that affects his QCA for maintaining eligibility.
So, does this count as the Offseason Vent Thread??
Fu doesn't bring in a transfer with what he has in waiting unless he knows something is going on.
Willis? He transferred to VT on 1/11/17.
If Foo anticipated this situation 15 months ago, he's pretty damn prescient.
That kind of predictive capacity should come in handy for play calling...
Dwight Vick chimed in. Interesting perspective:
Meh, it's a perspective but I think we have good reason to be nervous this offseason. We lost a ton of talent to the NFL from a 9 win team, had multiple injuries at an already thin position, and then almost (TBD) lost our presumed starting quarterback.
For every '96 there's a '15.
To be fair, the Ibis deserved it.
The best part of that conversation:
Fun fact. Hokie Bird not only got ejected, but was relieved of his mascot duties for the rest of the year too. I knew the Hokie Bird that year. He definitely believed that Sebastian deserved it, but the Athletic Department thought otherwise.
That Hokie Bird was one Curtis Dvorak, who later went on to become Jaxson de Ville. Not surprisingly, he almost single-handedly caused the NFL to change the rules for mascots.
Quick thoughts:
Let's not spend time and intellectual capital on evaluating the character of people we don't know. If these players are not on the team, let's focus on the players who are on the team.
Let's not just throw the season in the toilet right away. We just need a different barometer. Fuente talked a bunch about culture change. This season will be one hell of an assessment to see if they are on the right path. And, despite some glaring holes, you have to be excited about some of the young talent.
We are expected to hear something today...
Was it announced that today is the day for an announcement?
why is he in an iron-man suit?
Why tf is there an iron man costume on him? I just don't get that.
I saw a variation in the GIF, while searching for it, so I took a chance, and went with the road less traveled.
Are we actually or is this another rumor? I've only read that we may hear something this week.
From the article in the Richmond times on 6/7
It is now 6/11. More then 2 days has passed and I took that as over the weekend.
Most of the articles mentioned that his timetable was being optimistic, such as this bit from one of Bitter's pieces.
I talked to a sauce today. Said Jackson is 100% guilty and "is a complete idiot for doing what he did". Wouldn't go into details but said he gone. Said one upside is that Hooker is less likely to transfer now. Take it for what you will.
QB1 - he gone, allegedly
QB2 - douche, allegedly
So does Hooker get some serious consideration for the job now? Loved what I saw from Willis in the spring game, but if the internal drama with him is true, I don't see how he could earn the respect of the team at all.
What is the internal drama involving Willis? This is starting to really suck! Hooker and Patterson are a good QB duo to have but I hate that Jackson and Willis apparently don't have it together!
Search the word "bottle" in this thread. I just don't see him starting going over well for team chemistry.
Man that is sickening. I'd rather lose Willis than Hooker.
Tbh, I think there are more liberties being taken in this thread with the rumors about Willis than with those about JJ. The JJ stuff is more substantiated throughout the community at this point, I'm not sure very many people know what really happened with Willis, but I'm not sure the story in this thread paints the most accurate portrayal of those events...
+1. I can't say anything about the Willis altercation rumors, but IF they are true/verifiable and CJF has not done anything about it that pacifies the situation in the team's eyes, we have bigger problems than our starting quarterback being a dick.
I have a hard time believing CJF would allow a guy who physically assaulted a team mate with a weapon to go unpunished. He just doesn't seem like the type to sweep that under the rug.
This is why I can't simply take the Willis rumors at face value. If everything happened as described, it would have made news in some sort of capacity. Not necessarily the altercation itself, but there would have been ramifications that would have been made public.
You answered your own question. The assult was between teammates, so I'm sure they handled this thing internally and never said anything elsewhere. Why would they? I'm sure they punished Willis someway if this is all indeed true. No reason for anyone to say anything outside the team.
Hopefully they punished him by taking away his Kansas athletic gear.
same sauce said that Fuente will play the best option to win on the field. If Hooker doesn't look consistent, it will be Willis unless he manages to get himself kicked off the team. I don't envy CJF for having to make that call...
Damn, that's sad. I had some good hope after Bitter said university officials felt like it would be resolved positively
eh, there's a range of punishments available. I'm still in wait & see mode.
If this is his first incident he'll likely take an F in the course and have to do community service. That F could have ramifications on his overall GPA / eligibility and he'd likely get some kind of suspension from the football coaches on top of the honor court punishment(s), but it's not going to end his career.
If it's actually a 2nd offense (as some rumors have been indicating) he could be suspended for a semester or booted from the university entirely.
EDIT: This place gets better by the day
Good info, Mr. Willis.
EDIT: /s
Well shit.
Any word on when the official news will come out? Based on what we heard last week I thought I remembered seeing something about knowing in a few days.
Jackson's dad claimed it would be done in a couple days. Bitter and others reported no such time frame, as it is a University academic matter, so the Athletic Department basically will find out whenever it finds out. No guarantees.
I guess that means I will just have to sit here and monitor TKP and the twitters until news is released.
Work will have to take a backseat. It must be done.
Fuck.
So I'm guessing he'll go JUCO for a year, then get picked up by an SEC team and win the championship?
You can just say "see you at Auburn" to save some time
You mispelled Florida.
Obligatory.
I like drivin' in my truck
Would hate to see Hooker transfer. Bet he would be a beast at H-back
For any of us (myself included) who thought we had too many good quarterbacks on the roster, this shows exactly why you recruit a QB in every recruiting cycle.
Expect the good guys to get involved with Brendon Clark. He recently decommitted from Wake Forest. Plays at Manchester.
https://247sports.com/Player/Brendon-Clark-91543
So, we have a source that says he's gone, and others saying that they are optimistic about Jackson's eligibility.
I did the math, and that comes out to a three game suspension. STONE COLD LEONARD LOCK.
Book it.
This would make for a difficult fall camp and a difficult season. I would almost rather see full eligibility or JJ be completely gone. If it is a 3 game suspension, then we have the difficulty of splitting carries, does JJ come back in game 4, will he be ready for conference play, do we then have a 2-QB system, does he become backup and have to earn starting spot back? All these questions will drive the fan base crazy!! It was already shaping up to be a very interesting season with lots of questions and unknowns.
Regardless of guilt or severity, it appears without a doubt that he did something to put himself in this situation. That is unfortunate, especially if this is indeed a second offense. Whatever happens from this point, I hope JJ figures it out, gets on the right path, and does everything in his power to make sure he doesn't end up in a similar situation in the future.
With all of this going on, QP, Hooker, and Willis will all have an opportunity. I'm hoping that they all are gearing up to make the most of it this summer/fall.
Lastly, to comment on some of the conversation regarding kids/adults, I'll just leave my lone comment on it for anyone that might be interested. 18 years old = legal adult. Society has been aggressively extending childhood and delaying adulthood for quite some time, and it is rather unfortunate. We should be encouraging actual kids and youth to take on adult responsibilities and be more independent of their families as soon as they are ready. We should not be telling them to "wait, take your time, slow down, etc." The latter yields zero benefits to society. That being said, student-athletes are the perfect embodiment of young adults taking on challenges, working hard, and competing. Some student athletes excel in this environment and others fail, that is just statistics. Support staff can do all they want, but you cannot help people that do not want to be helped. We shouldn't treat them like kids, because they aren't kids. I sure hope the coaches, staff, and professors are treating them like adults. I hate it when coaches refer to the players as "kids". Even if they mean nothing by it, it just shows you how our society has chosen to view, treat, and define these young adults.
since this is an academic issue at this point I don think that the academic committee (or whomever if conducting the investigation) would give out a [game/s] suspension. that being said would they do something like a semester suspension, I wouldn't think so but im not sure? or do you think said however many game/games would come from fuente and co or directly from the athletic department/ football program?
If its coming from fu and co I just think its going to be pretty hard for josh to get back on the field unless BOTH qbs play and play really poorly. Fuente seems very patient with whoever he names his starter and doesn't want to play the rotating QB game. Just from looking at how hes handled the QB situations in the past.
If the academic side of the house doesn't suspend him for the semester or kick him out of the school, I would imagine there will be some kind of suspension 1-3 games imposed by Fuente or Babcock. Just my impression of Fuente being a no BS kind of guy - no #sauces or anything.
I agree. Best case scenario is Fuente, Whit, or both decide for some season suspension. Worst case is the University/Honor Court take the lead and go heavy-handed.
Great post kiddo!
I see what you did there. Would use the Morgan Freeman gif...but...yeah...
At least they're not referred to as "youngsters" like Musberger calls Little Leaguers 8,000,000x a broadcast.
That's so Leonard
Chase Mummau reading this thread
I love the uncertainty heading into the season. I'd rather see new faces be challenged to step up than see a bunch of returning faces be solid but underwhelming. We aren't the favorite to win the ACC or Coastal even with everyone we've lost, so let's enjoy the ride.
I'm interested in Farley's return/ability - Mook to corner/Hunter to rover - incoming Freshman who'll make an impact - next steps for Savoy, Kumah, Patterson, Grimsley - QB drama - Young LBs with big upside - etc.
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Maybe you missed that we're also uncertain about Mook's academic situation?
I've heard that betting against Mook's academic status is a losing proposition.
We aren't.
Is this in reference to Mr. Reynolds earlier posts on here?
I would trust those posts
Hope you're right. no /s
It's pretty much part of TKP 101.
Edit: So there is a lot of noise to this I'm hearing. Don't know what the outcome will be but there is something here.
Not if Jreynolds06 says otherwise, remember?Not about Mook.
From my understanding, ALL of this "noise" is about one incident, involving multiple players. But I'm not going to add anymore speculation until it all comes out after my previous comments. We'll see when we see.
is it just me or do you add to the speculation every time you say "i'm not going to add to the speculation"?
either say what you think you know and phrase it as "this is what i've been told and let's wait to see what the university and/or team says", or don't add to the speculation by not saying anything at all (and this option is the better one). the in-between halfsies comments are self-indulgent at best, especially when you're half-arguing about the speculation that you claim to not be adding to.
you bet, imagine that... speculation on a thread titled "Rumor Mill"
The double standard of this place is sometimes mind blowing
It's not a double standard. You're playing the victim when you're not.
I don't care if there's speculation or not, but the way you're going about it is the most annoying way possible. Either speculate or don't. but don't say stuff like "it's my understanding that all of this stems from one incident with multiple players and mook is definitely one of them, but not to add to the speculation or anything" or "there is definitely another running back involved in this but no sense in adding to the speculation".
To be fair he says "add anymore speculation," which he didn't do as he just restated earlier discussed rumors.
To this point, the scuttlebutt surrounding Mook had been with respect to his academic eligibility (see the AA thread where his dad put an end to that) and not any potential involvement in a football cheating scandal that involves 3+ players.
Not to speculate, but I'd heard he was also involved in ritual sacrifices on top of Cassell....
Between that, more money, and more support staff, we're gonna have all the croots
numbers always work out amirite?
I don't know much about these things; but it seems like this is taking a long time. Does it usually take this long to resolve an issue?
It seems, given the way Bitter and Jackson's dad were talking, that we should have head something by now.
There is a process after the initial process. Things are now in that "after process" from my understanding. Also, be sure to downvote this, since clearly only a select few are allowed to weigh in on this topic.
I can tell you feel good about whatever source you have about what's going on, but don't expect us to listen to you over a player's dad until there's an official announcement.
Oh don't worry, I don't. Just making sure that everyone understands the SOP for this speculative thread, that only a few are allowed to add to said speculation.
It's not speculation if it comes from someone that close to a player.
Life is hard.
Ever think it may not be that you're speculating/trying to add to the conversation, but instead that every bit of it is couched in a "come at me bro" tone that is getting you the downvotes?
EDIT: In all seriousness (and this will be my last post on the topic until we get any official word on the matter), I didn't mean to ruffle any feathers, but there are times around TKP where it seems that if you aren't a "vet" of the site and you try to come in with a take that's not popular it gets shot down and not always in a constructive way, and in a "Rumor Mill" thread of all, this seemed like a place where we could add things we had heard, no matter who we disagreed with (after all, it wasn't billed as a "facts" thread). Clearly I did not come at this the "right" way for TKP, so for that I offer my honest apologies. That being said, what I've heard is what it is, and seems to disagree with someone you're not supposed to disagree with here, so I'll keep it to myself and hope that my information is wrong. After all, I want all of our players to excel on the field and in the classroom just like the rest of you.
I don't think you're wrong about a lot of that honestly, I think (for me anyway), the sticking point was coming in pretty hot, and throwing super vague hints out there. It could be you've heard something from someone in the know about an event that's relevant to all of this, and I'm guessing you have (this place is usually pretty good about avoiding people just throwing nonsense out there). But, it seemed related to a thing that had been discussed, and because it was super vague, it was hard to tell what was rehash and what was potentially new info. People with track records can get away with that same thing a little more I think, just because they have a history of solid sources. Anyway, good discussion, nice distraction for this Thursday afternoon!
You're allowed to disagree with people and you're allow to share unsubstantiated rumors in a rumor thread. Look at what Hokie07me did with the alleged Ryan Willis-Oscar Bradburn-bottlesmashing incident. What he didn't do was drop clue after clue like a leaky faucet over the course of a week while claiming he wasn't feeding into the speculation. It's just that you managed to hit the perfectly wrong sweet spot between vague and specific where it's not hard to piece together what you're claiming, but you're (a) not coming out and saying it and (b) acting like it should be pretty much common knowledge what happened even though you're "not feeding into the speculation".
You've set the bait for a layup UNCheat joke, but I'm not gunna fall for your trap!
This thread....
Man. Talk about some childhood nostalgia. I forgot this ever existed.
Forgot or blocked from memory?
If this song is still stuck in my head later today I will come back, downvote this and also wish unpleasantries on you! I hope you are happy with yourself.
You gotta find another catchy, much better song to overtake the annoying one that gets stuck in your head. For me, it's Valerie by Steve Winwood.
SFW link:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RriQt0ebFaw
Yeah, this one works like a charm for me
Has there been any official word on this? Been kinda quiet here lately.
Right. At this point I have mentally prepared for the worst, but dammit, put me out of my misery already.
Oh hey, 30 new comments. Some news must have come out...dammit. Come on guys!
can we start a new :Today's Rumor Mill - Jackson's Future Is certain" every time I come on here my TKP freezes up and I got force shut down lol. I feel like im missing some breaking news with every new comment though! what is going on!!!!!!! someone tell me! so many conflicting stories.
There's literally been nothing new for a week.
Don't come to this thread expecting news, just chatter. When something actually happens, it will be worthy of a new thread. We don't need a "part 2" just for people to speculate based on literally zero new information.
Full disclosure: I haven't heard anything about the matter(s) at hand. So, there ya go.