Edit for that particular line: "Do you think the French gave up in 1940 when the Nazis were invading their country? Yes, yes they did and so should we. There are more important things than fighting over an oddly shaped ball. Prime example, making sure I pair the right wines at my dinner party tonight. Last summer the Montgomery's paired a sauvignon blanc with a filet mignon, how embarrassing.
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Considering they didn't have wine to drink? I'd say not. They were more likely to make their own whiskey from their own corn (Whiskey Rebellion, anyone?).
I was going more for a token Thomas Jefferson reference.
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Love how all of their excuses ( young players, three new coordinators) are things the Hokies have too. Don't see us pointing to that as weakness, shrug our shoulders and say "welp, we can't compete," we just go out there and do work and get 6 straight wins after playing the best team in the nation closer than the experts thought.
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I wasn't able to read the entire article due to its shyt content..how are those 3, 4, & 5 star guys shining this season at 2 - 4. Lol TSL had a great 3 part series this week on the lack of top talent on offense coming from the state of Virginia the last 3 years. I'll summarize it for you..there hasn't been any. The main points are reflected on offense for both LOLUVA and The Hokies. Anywho, Jay needs to either start drinking or stop..
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Reading the comments and a coach's wife tears into one of the posters pretty well. She makes some good points too. Pretty entertaining read all around.
EDIT: Favorite Comment: "The hundreds of coaches who start poorly and stay terrible should be ignored because Coach K and Beamer turned things around? Dumbest argument ever."
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Does she ever. She relates being a believer in London to having kids and suggests they go to the football office to say it all to their faces (the coaches, their wives, and their kids). Two things: 1) This is what puts the LOL in LOLUVA and 2) Maybe she shouldn't be signing as Coach's Wife
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You are exactly what every athlete and coach hates....you think you know everything and probably have never played one down of football in your life, let alone at a college level.
Um... you're a coach's WIFE. You haven't either.
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Wow, a great article and great comments!
My favorite is "Coaches Wife"; first of all, that's not something to be proud of at LOLUVA. But the hate she has for the fans that ultimately pay her bills; let's just say she's got it a bit backwards. Her argument of coaches "wanting to win" and "having kids" are so LOLUVA, and exactly what's wrong with the whole mindset of the article and of the program.
Time Cop is a "good guy" and tries real hard. Fantastic. So was Newsome and the rest of the fired Tech staff. The difference between the two programs is, 7-6 at VT gets you fired; the same record at LOLUVA gets you a contract extension and some of the top coaching salaries in the ACC. #LOLUVAENTITLEMENT
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Somehow, London is able to overcome UVas academic requirements...
Somehow he was able to overcome UVA's academic requirements to get guys like Morgan Moses. If I recall correctly, Moses wasn't exactly the easiest qualifier. This storyline continues to annoy me, not just at UVA, but everywhere. Almost every school in the country stretches their academic requirements for athletes, and UVA is no different.
It's also very fitting that a pro-LOLUVA column attempts to draw parallels to WWII and tries to quote Winston Churchill for inspiration.
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Taquan Mizzel falls into the same category as well.
I hate this excuse, it's absolutely lazy and is used as a carte blanche for everything in the program. "Don't blame us, blame the academic standards". Last time I checked, Stanford, Michigan, Notre Dame, Southern Cal, UCLA, Northwestern (recently), UNC, Boston College and Georgia Tech have had more success as LOLUVA and they don't blame their "academic standards" when they have a losing season.
"Congratulations, you're very sophisticated. Good luck with that Chardonnay. But Virginia Tech would walk up and punch you right in the neck" -Colin Cowherd
EDIT: I forgot about Wake Forest winning the ACC back in 2006. Include WFU in the same list of schools.
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Of the list you mention, I think there is only one or two that actually holds their football program to the same academic standards of the general student population. Don't get me wrong, I fully agree with you, but Michigan is a great school and, well, I don't exactly think Mario Manningham was a scholar.
I think Wake, Stanford, Duke, and NW'ern are probably the ones that don't bend too much for athletes. The rest, I think, just want you to be good at SOMETHING, and for many of them, football is that thing.
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In the past two years, 25 of the 32 Virginia Tech commits from the state of Virginia had an offer from LOLUVA. The majority of the seven who didn't either committed early in the recruiting process to VT (Cequan Jefferson, Adam Taraschke), got offers from more prestigious schools (Joel Caleb- Duke, Devin VanDyke- Vanderbilt) or had a damn good reason why there was no way in hell LOLUVA would get them (Alston Smith).
Which begs the question, if a big reason why Virginia Tech is a better program than UVA is because we can recruit "dumber" players, why did LOLUVA offer 78% of our Virginia recruits in the past two years?
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All I could think about is how we have not one, but TWO TRUE FRESHMAN who are being touted as all Americans. Two. They simply had a chance and seized it:
Mike London has what could be easiest job on the planet. Here's millions of dollars. We will give you the best players in the nation. Lose? Eh, no biggie. Have you seen our new JPJ center?!?
I'm done thinking about UVA as a rival. A rival does more than roll over every year.
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My father is a LOLUVA fan and gives me the rebuilding year stuff every year...and the QB stuff is there own fault. How many QBs did they have before the season started?
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Here are the facts of the current season, UVa has 55 freshman and sophomores out of 85 scholarships, and they have 28 players who have made their college debuts this year. Virginia also has started four true freshmen, and only has seven scholarship seniors on the entire team. Many people are tired of hearing about a young team, but the reality is they are a young team.
I mean, that's a really good point. It's really hard to win a bunch of games if you play a bunch of freshman and sophomores. I couldn't even think of a team that won a lot of games this year playing 10-12 underclassmen on a regular basis...*Sarcasm*
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But..but...but UVA has had major staff turnover on the offensive side of the ball adding multiple new coaches and a new OC. Of course they're not gonna be able to score enough to win games if they have to start freshman at key skill positions. Try and name one team in all of college football who could go through that and win more than two games in this years ACC. LOLUVA.
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"So close to success I can almost smell it...and it smells like a 6-6 season."
This is my favorite comment. Even the London haters are delusional. Six wins would be an amazing feat at this point. If they don't win today they will most likely finish the season with two wins. No sir, it smells like a steamy pile of dog shit!
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OMG this is a must read for comedic relief! I normally don't bother reading LOLUVA articles but the comment section had me in tears. Makes you sincerely appreciate the TKP site and community!
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Coaches Wife - wow. That's just something you don't do. If you want to marry a college football coach, knock yourself out, but you have to be prepared to take the heat when the results aren't what everyone wants.
On another note, I see this a lot.
So where was Frank Beamer at this point in his tenure at Tech? After four full seasons Frank Beamer was 17-26, and in his sixth season he went 2-8-1.
While that argument could be a fair argument, I think you have to look a little deeper. When Frank Beamer came to Virginia Tech, he had nothing. No talent. Mike London has talent. He came into a unsuccessful program, but recruited very rich talent and has still under performed. To prove my point, here are the average star values for each coach's first full recruiting class:
I even made a bar graph that breaks it down for UVA fans.
So yeah, that argument pisses me off. I even had a UVA fan tell me that Mike London did better in his second season than Frank did, therefore Mike London was a better coach.
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You would have gotten a turkey leg from me if you made a pie chart instead of a bar chart...then again I do like bars as well. UPVOTE! #teampies #teambars
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Damn... Pies do make nice charts don't they? Oh well, I'm standing by #TEAMCOOKIE no matter what dammit. No matter how entertaining arguments for other teams get.
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Anyone who compares college football 2013 to college football in 1992 is being willfully stupid.
I posted this in another thread, but over the last 3 years VT and UVA have almost identical class recruiting according to rankings (VT is at 26, UVA is at 26.7). Yes, VT had a better 2010 class, but one class shouldn't account for the apparent gulf in the teams. The problem at UVA isn't the talent.
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I'm not Michael Rocco, so don't slur me by calling him that. I also didn't go to VT, so I'm not bound by the laws of Hokie Respect. So there.
Look at TV exposure in the early 90s compared to now. Look at the number of recruits in VA and ability to get recruits to games/see recruits then and now. Look at the money then and the money now. It's easier to build a program now. It shouldn't take 6 years for a coach to turn around a program these days. A coach shouldn't be going backwards in year 4 without severe mitigating factors that don't exist. It would be like comparing a QB's numbers today with the numbers of a QB from 1972.
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absolutely died laughing after coaches wife said "no one in the stadium wants to win more than the coaches" and someone replied "that's because they're the only ones there, right?"
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First of all, is there any proof to their higher academic requirements? I mean, Morgan Moses....anthropology...etc. VT has a higher math requirement than the ACC, you have to pass Algebra. It cost us Knowshon Moreno....and transitively, Shady McCoy because we focused on Moreno.
Second, track this to see if he updates after this week. 2-10 is their odds on finish now. Dumpster fire!!!!
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Another gem from thesabre
hat.virginia.sportswar.com/message_board/football/2013/October/20/2957420.php
The irony of this season is that we could finally beat VaTech after 9 straight losses. Their offense isn't hi powered, but their defense is solid, however if we can limit mistakes and find ways to score, we may have a shot vs a team that may not tak us seriously.
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Oh that is rich. Here I am looking at the Duke game like there is only the Duke game, I'm not even completely convinced we play Virginia this year (that's how focused on this next game I am) and they're already thinking about thanksgiving day. And We don't take opponents seriously. It's this kind of thing that makes it hard for me to take an opponent seriously.
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Jay lost me after, "I find myself having some great workouts lately on the treadmill as I analyze the Virginia Football situation."
Sorry, Jay, but that was a big pile of
He seems surprised that people are ready to "punt" Mike London after 3 1/2 years. Doesn't LOLUVA always go 3-and-out?
Awww SNAP! +1
Comparing UVA to the British in World War 2 is...a leap?
Edit for that particular line: "Do you think the French gave up in 1940 when the Nazis were invading their country? Yes, yes they did and so should we. There are more important things than fighting over an oddly shaped ball. Prime example, making sure I pair the right wines at my dinner party tonight. Last summer the Montgomery's paired a sauvignon blanc with a filet mignon, how embarrassing.
I think comparing UVA to the Continental Army during the Revolution might have been more apropos.
Did the Continental Army sip wine with a pinkie out?
Considering they didn't have wine to drink? I'd say not. They were more likely to make their own whiskey from their own corn (Whiskey Rebellion, anyone?).
I was going more for a token Thomas Jefferson reference.
Heck, George Washington probably supplied the whiskey - he was one of the biggest distillers in 18th century America.
http://www.mountvernon.org/shop/george-martha-washington/founding-spirit...
Love how all of their excuses ( young players, three new coordinators) are things the Hokies have too. Don't see us pointing to that as weakness, shrug our shoulders and say "welp, we can't compete," we just go out there and do work and get 6 straight wins after playing the best team in the nation closer than the experts thought.
I wasn't able to read the entire article due to its shyt content..how are those 3, 4, & 5 star guys shining this season at 2 - 4. Lol TSL had a great 3 part series this week on the lack of top talent on offense coming from the state of Virginia the last 3 years. I'll summarize it for you..there hasn't been any. The main points are reflected on offense for both LOLUVA and The Hokies. Anywho, Jay needs to either start drinking or stop..
Reading the comments and a coach's wife tears into one of the posters pretty well. She makes some good points too. Pretty entertaining read all around.
EDIT: Favorite Comment: "The hundreds of coaches who start poorly and stay terrible should be ignored because Coach K and Beamer turned things around? Dumbest argument ever."
Does she ever. She relates being a believer in London to having kids and suggests they go to the football office to say it all to their faces (the coaches, their wives, and their kids). Two things: 1) This is what puts the LOL in LOLUVA and 2) Maybe she shouldn't be signing as Coach's Wife
Also from "Coaches Wife:"
Um... you're a coach's WIFE. You haven't either.
Wow, a great article and great comments!
My favorite is "Coaches Wife"; first of all, that's not something to be proud of at LOLUVA. But the hate she has for the fans that ultimately pay her bills; let's just say she's got it a bit backwards. Her argument of coaches "wanting to win" and "having kids" are so LOLUVA, and exactly what's wrong with the whole mindset of the article and of the program.
Time Cop is a "good guy" and tries real hard. Fantastic. So was Newsome and the rest of the fired Tech staff. The difference between the two programs is, 7-6 at VT gets you fired; the same record at LOLUVA gets you a contract extension and some of the top coaching salaries in the ACC. #LOLUVAENTITLEMENT
Somehow he was able to overcome UVA's academic requirements to get guys like Morgan Moses. If I recall correctly, Moses wasn't exactly the easiest qualifier. This storyline continues to annoy me, not just at UVA, but everywhere. Almost every school in the country stretches their academic requirements for athletes, and UVA is no different.
It's also very fitting that a pro-LOLUVA column attempts to draw parallels to WWII and tries to quote Winston Churchill for inspiration.
Taquan Mizzel falls into the same category as well.
I hate this excuse, it's absolutely lazy and is used as a carte blanche for everything in the program. "Don't blame us, blame the academic standards". Last time I checked, Stanford, Michigan, Notre Dame, Southern Cal, UCLA, Northwestern (recently), UNC, Boston College and Georgia Tech have had more success as LOLUVA and they don't blame their "academic standards" when they have a losing season.
"Congratulations, you're very sophisticated. Good luck with that Chardonnay. But Virginia Tech would walk up and punch you right in the neck" -Colin Cowherd
EDIT: I forgot about Wake Forest winning the ACC back in 2006. Include WFU in the same list of schools.
That Herd rant is one of the best ever, I don't care who you are.
Of the list you mention, I think there is only one or two that actually holds their football program to the same academic standards of the general student population. Don't get me wrong, I fully agree with you, but Michigan is a great school and, well, I don't exactly think Mario Manningham was a scholar.
I think Wake, Stanford, Duke, and NW'ern are probably the ones that don't bend too much for athletes. The rest, I think, just want you to be good at SOMETHING, and for many of them, football is that thing.
In the past two years, 25 of the 32 Virginia Tech commits from the state of Virginia had an offer from LOLUVA. The majority of the seven who didn't either committed early in the recruiting process to VT (Cequan Jefferson, Adam Taraschke), got offers from more prestigious schools (Joel Caleb- Duke, Devin VanDyke- Vanderbilt) or had a damn good reason why there was no way in hell LOLUVA would get them (Alston Smith).
Which begs the question, if a big reason why Virginia Tech is a better program than UVA is because we can recruit "dumber" players, why did LOLUVA offer 78% of our Virginia recruits in the past two years?
All I could think about is how we have not one, but TWO TRUE FRESHMAN who are being touted as all Americans. Two. They simply had a chance and seized it:
Mike London has what could be easiest job on the planet. Here's millions of dollars. We will give you the best players in the nation. Lose? Eh, no biggie. Have you seen our new JPJ center?!?
I'm done thinking about UVA as a rival. A rival does more than roll over every year.
This was meme'd in another post, but for VT, true freshmen make plays. For LOLUVA, "We're young again this year".
My name is Jay.
I am not him. I'm ashamed to share a name with him
Blake named his beard Jay and it's already autonomous and posting on the internet?
My father is a LOLUVA fan and gives me the rebuilding year stuff every year...and the QB stuff is there own fault. How many QBs did they have before the season started?
More QBs than they had fans at their Spring Game.
I mean, that's a really good point. It's really hard to win a bunch of games if you play a bunch of freshman and sophomores. I couldn't even think of a team that won a lot of games this year playing 10-12 underclassmen on a regular basis...*Sarcasm*
Tech has 51 freshmen and sophomores on scholarship including 3 true freshmen starting on offense and 2 true freshmen having been starters on defense.
The primary difference between Tech's program and that of UVA is the fact that Tech has a very good coaching staff.
But..but...but UVA has had major staff turnover on the offensive side of the ball adding multiple new coaches and a new OC. Of course they're not gonna be able to score enough to win games if they have to start freshman at key skill positions. Try and name one team in all of college football who could go through that and win more than two games in this years ACC. LOLUVA.
It's also hard to win with upperclassmen when YOU RUN THEM ALL OUT OF THE PROGRAM BY TIME THEY GET THAT OLD
"So close to success I can almost smell it...and it smells like a 6-6 season."
This is my favorite comment. Even the London haters are delusional. Six wins would be an amazing feat at this point. If they don't win today they will most likely finish the season with two wins. No sir, it smells like a steamy pile of dog shit!
OMG this is a must read for comedic relief! I normally don't bother reading LOLUVA articles but the comment section had me in tears. Makes you sincerely appreciate the TKP site and community!
Coaches Wife - wow. That's just something you don't do. If you want to marry a college football coach, knock yourself out, but you have to be prepared to take the heat when the results aren't what everyone wants.
On another note, I see this a lot.
While that argument could be a fair argument, I think you have to look a little deeper. When Frank Beamer came to Virginia Tech, he had nothing. No talent. Mike London has talent. He came into a unsuccessful program, but recruited very rich talent and has still under performed. To prove my point, here are the average star values for each coach's first full recruiting class:
I even made a bar graph that breaks it down for UVA fans.
So yeah, that argument pisses me off. I even had a UVA fan tell me that Mike London did better in his second season than Frank did, therefore Mike London was a better coach.
You would have gotten a turkey leg from me if you made a pie chart instead of a bar chart...then again I do like bars as well. UPVOTE! #teampies #teambars
I couldn't really think of a good way to make a pie chart, but nonetheless, #TEAMCOBBLER
Damn... Pies do make nice charts don't they? Oh well, I'm standing by #TEAMCOOKIE no matter what dammit. No matter how entertaining arguments for other teams get.
Pie charts are better than cake charts.
Frank's first couple of seasons were under probation too, right?
Anyone who compares college football 2013 to college football in 1992 is being willfully stupid.
I posted this in another thread, but over the last 3 years VT and UVA have almost identical class recruiting according to rankings (VT is at 26, UVA is at 26.7). Yes, VT had a better 2010 class, but one class shouldn't account for the apparent gulf in the teams. The problem at UVA isn't the talent.
Hey Michael Rocco, no need to be a dick. Hokie Respect!
No, I think he's pretty on point. "Willfully stupid" is a pretty accurate descriptor.
I'm not Michael Rocco, so don't slur me by calling him that. I also didn't go to VT, so I'm not bound by the laws of Hokie Respect. So there.
Look at TV exposure in the early 90s compared to now. Look at the number of recruits in VA and ability to get recruits to games/see recruits then and now. Look at the money then and the money now. It's easier to build a program now. It shouldn't take 6 years for a coach to turn around a program these days. A coach shouldn't be going backwards in year 4 without severe mitigating factors that don't exist. It would be like comparing a QB's numbers today with the numbers of a QB from 1972.
I'm pretty sure that's not entirely accurate when you are playing a game where the score is kept.
Also went out and competed:
absolutely died laughing after coaches wife said "no one in the stadium wants to win more than the coaches" and someone replied "that's because they're the only ones there, right?"
First of all, is there any proof to their higher academic requirements? I mean, Morgan Moses....anthropology...etc. VT has a higher math requirement than the ACC, you have to pass Algebra. It cost us Knowshon Moreno....and transitively, Shady McCoy because we focused on Moreno.
Second, track this to see if he updates after this week. 2-10 is their odds on finish now. Dumpster fire!!!!
Another gem from thesabre
hat.virginia.sportswar.com/message_board/football/2013/October/20/2957420.php
Haha but seriously, if they even give us a close game I'll be sorely disappointed
Oh that is rich. Here I am looking at the Duke game like there is only the Duke game, I'm not even completely convinced we play Virginia this year (that's how focused on this next game I am) and they're already thinking about thanksgiving day. And We don't take opponents seriously. It's this kind of thing that makes it hard for me to take an opponent seriously.
We play the Hoos the way Freddy Krueger plays insomniacs.
At least if you read through the thread the rest of the LOLUVA fans are telling the OP he is delusional