Who: No. 9 Virginia Tech Hokies (14-1, 3-0 ACC) at No. 4 Virginia Cavaliers (15-0, 3-0 ACC)
When: Tuesday, January 15, 2019 at 8:00 PM EST
Where: Charlottesville, Virginia | John Paul Jones Arena
Watch/Listen: Raycom / Virginia Tech IMG
Spread: Virginia -7.5
Series: Per the game notes:
The Hokies are 56-91 all-time against Virginia ... Virginia Tech won the last meeting, 61-60, in overtime in Charlottesville last season ... The two schools have split the seaon series in each of the past three seasons ... Tech is 3-5 against Virginia under Buzz Williams ... Virginia Tech is 14-37 in road games and 4-8 against the Cavaliers in John Paul Jones Arena.
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Let's Go!!
HOKIEEEESSSS
Hokies!
Won't be able to tune in until about halftime. If we take an inexplicable turn around then, it's probably my fault and I will immediately turn the game off
On the way to the game. Pumped.
Nice.
HOKIES!!!!!
It's gameday! Go Hokies! I won't be tuning into this game, unfortunately. I'm in the process of moving and I've already shipped my television and computer to the new place. Also, the last time VT played against UVA in Charlottesville, I didn't watch that live either and it worked out well for the good guys.
Don't worry, I'll watch the game on your tv for you.
On a personal note: Since I reside in Hooville (& am an Uber driver), probably gonna catch the 1st half & then head out after to cash in on it.
Can't believe this isn't on TV in Raleigh.
This is ridiculous. The channel that gets Raycom games here has Wake Forest vs NC State instead. Unbelievable.
1. It is absurd.
2. I believe ESPN 3 will stream it.
3. Bar.
3 is not mutually exclusive with any option.
all 3 are mutually conclusive though
ESPN3 is blacked out in Christiansburg and fox is showing lethal weapon.
Why are they showing a Christmas movie?
If we can keep it within single digits, I'd call it a good result. We weren't particularly impressive in our first 2 road games this season. I obviously hope we win tonight, but a 69-61 loss wouldn't discourage me much. We've got a good team and we should play well tonight. If we get blown out, it'll feel like a big setback to me.
two top-10 teams
in-state rivalry
conference game with real implications
I hope someone got yelled at hard because this game not being front & center viewing nationally is a travesty.
I don't want to overstate it.
(butit'satravesty.)
As long as the crowd doesn't chant "airball" everytime NAW touches the ball, I feel like he will bring it tonight, and forget all about the GT performance.
It's probably for the best that the entire team forgets about the 2nd-worst shooting performance of the Buzz Williams era.
Thankful for this years defense when those things happen. That's the difference maker this year.
I'm taking a dump at JPJ right now
Hopefully our team doesn't follow your lead tonight
Hopefully they do and they dump all over the Hoos
Don't flush.
We shall dine on honeydew and drink the milk of paradise tonight boys
Nice Rush call back. I'm fired up now. 'Don't annoy us further we have our work to do.... forget about your silly ways we have no use for you.'
LETS MUHFUGGGGGGGIN GO
I'm about to watch for the first time this year. So if this goes badly I apologize.
What we drinking tonight boys???? I'm starting with a Voodoo Ranger Imperial IPA. I have 5 Sweetwater 420's to move to based on need.
Through experience, I have come to understand that I cannot drink a nice beer during a VT game, so instead I am going with Lidl's brand Sprint Light.
Casita Cerveceria Resilience IPA
Broadcast sounds tinny here in Richmond.
Perfect, a former UVA forward as the color commentator.
Color guy seems rather complimentary of VT.
What freaking channel is the thing on? Xfinity says fox and there's no game on.
And Lethal Weapon is on here in Salem......
And Cburg.
"We're gunna get bloody on this one, Rog..."
Has the game started? I'm watching the channel that my guide says, but it's Lethal Weapon. I'm in Roanoke, trying to watch on channel 8 (Cox)
Same here, no game on channel 8
My channel is showing lethal weapon
http://sports24.fun/watch?id=ch1
link for anyone not trying to deal with this BS
same problem. ill edit this post if i find a solution
Game is on channel 3, in Hampton roads
Just can't defend a shot from the coach's stripe, holy shit.
Technical difficulties from Raycom. Go figure. The top two teams in the ACC playing a top ten matchup and they can't even get the video feed right on from rinky dink second rate Raycom production. #goACC
Hill clanging it
reddit for the save. Thanks again for the tip last week.
its on CW in richmond
It's on Fox now in Roanoke
0-5 from 3 to start is not good. We have had 2 or 3 good looks that were all iron. Also, I hope the refs give Jerome a Technical in this game, he is complaining to them a ton already
He had a legit beef, we got away with one there.
Now we need some 3's to actually fall.
Hill is ice cold right now. He's gonna have to find some different shots. The 3 ball isn't there right now.
And the game starts with us going 0-4 on 3s, 3 of those were wide open. Meanwhile they're 3/4. Great.
I'm fine with how the games played out. They're 3/4 were 0/5 from 3. That should even out, right?
So far its a full on helping of #ACCMed
Dan Bonner throwing some shade on loluva football!!! hahahaha
I want to see more of what 5 did right before the time out. Need to drive the lane and get some fouls.
I don't blame Jerome for that heat check but lol
Jerome is showing some ridiculous range.
I'll take the credit for that airball.
Jerome is making them 26' out .
I admit, I have no idea what a foul is in basketball.
It all looks arbitrary to me.
If Duke does it, it isn't a foul
At least they didn't start out scalding hot from three
Side note - Chris Clarke's Instagram story shows him at JPJ tonight with #freechrisclarke as the caption
Are they going to miss a shot tonight?
I'd like to see us start to make these open looks
what are we like 1/9 from 3 ?
And a number of those have been open
1 of 6, 4 of 12 total
Cant buy a 3 tonight
And everything going in for them.
We can't buy a bucket and they are hitting everything. Going to be a long night if we dont start hitting shots
The law of averages says they can't keep up a 77% FG rate, but damn.
Ignore me I am become dumb.
Looks like they aren't going to miss from 3 pt land tonight (other than that airball).
UVA is lights out from 3 and Vt can make a damn bucket
Coaches poll may be right. Damn they're good.
the ugliness of the georgia tech game is looking like more than just a fluke.
It's what happens when a 3 point team can't shoot 3s.
even kbj is shitting the bed.
I know its a long game but I don't know why you take Robinson, Bede, or Blackshear out ever. Without those guy on the floor, its NAW vs. everyone and Wilkins is in over his head.
This in my mind was the tide turning moment. We never recovered from that lineup
That and them making 10 3s.
This is about to get outta hand quickly
We need a hell of a run before the half to re establish some confidence.
"Sure thing!"
- UVA
Our offense looks like butt. It's flat with zero penetration just trade offs back and forth at the top of the arc until the clock forces a shot
Don't think we are playing poorly. UVA is riding their crowd and shooting the lights out. Simple as that.
Jerome hitting 3s from the parking lot made it pretty evident pretty early which way this thing was gonna go.
They are breaking down our defense and getting open 3s. We need to try to stop overplaying them.
I say we just turn this into a street fight and punch them in the nuts. Of course it would also help if they actually missed a 3.
I really don't think we look that bad considering the defense I've seen from UVA that season. They're really just shooting lights out.
not much you can do when they are making 88% of their 3s...
This is going to be an absolute blowout. UVA cannot miss tonight, and our vaunted offense looks horrific. Can't even hit free throws when we get them.
Okay, UVA's defense is really really good.
we have had good looks and can't make a shot. If they shot their average tonight, this would only be a 4 or 5 point game right now...
Need some more rebounding. And please some baskets...
When you leave them open they're going to score from anywhere at this level
This is an absolute ass blasting.
We are in way over our heads tonight. Virginia is the best team in the country. We probably want to get used to it
Bede needs to stay on Jerome no matter where he goes. If he goes the bathroom, Bede needs to hand him the toilet paper.
Fuck that, give him a swirly
wont do any good, they have shot lots of their threes under pressure. they have the inches and the composure.
Well not much you can do when they're shooting out the lights but our offense looks like stinespring is running it tonight
That has more to do with their D than our O.
Hill is useless offensively in ACC play. It's more than a trend at this point it's a verifiable fact
Hill played decent against GT in a very ugly game where decent was probably the best performance out of any player. He also played well against ND.
Alright guys that was a fun warmup. We got all the bad shots out of the way. When does the actual game start?
we are still trying to shit out the GT game.
We're a football skool!
Offense is absolutely dead and UVA cannot fucking miss... not sure which fan traded this for UMBC to win but you should have at least told us
It's a fine trade. The rivalry will have it's ebbs and flows, but don't you know LOLUVA will be the first #1 seed to lose to a #16 seed in the NCAA Basketball Tournament forever.
This 2008 Geico Caveman commercial is the only thing keeping me sane.
Game is a beaut.
A 5 min scoring drought?? Damn
im turning this off, i can't stand this. i don't like the nickname "chokies" but if the shoe fits... ill be back in an hour or so to check on the score.
edit: to all of the people saying "its the best team in the nation in their house"
sure, fine, im not saying i expected us to win or be leading at the half, im saying we can't even do the easy little things right. its the unforced errors. there are 9 and a half UVA players on that court right now, and half a hokie spread across 5 people in the wrong color jersey.
#2 edit: also, its not the opposition, all these problems were in fully display against GT, they certainly aren't world class, and we left some pretty large skid marks in the bed after that game too.
Dude we are playing the #4 team at their house.
I did the same. Watched too many shitshows during FB season.
This isn't a choke job. They are the number 4 team in the country, our rival and on their home court where we beat them last year. They are really up for this game and we can't buy a shot.
Jesus this is brutal
Arguably the biggest game in the history of the basketball program, and VT still pioneering new and unbelievable ways to completely crap the bed.
I disagree with the 1st half of your statement, but DEAD ON with the 2nd half.
Not sure if we're shitting the bed. A normal team wouldn't shoot 85% from 3 in fucking warmups. This is ridiculous.
Largely out of our control on how hot they are shooting, it is ridiculous. But it's so us for a <40% 3 pt team to be completely lights out against us. We're a one trick pony right now offensively, living and dying by the three, and we are stone cold right now.
They're 10-14. Take away 3 of those and we're still down 13 which isn't great, although maybe we get a fastbreak bucket or two.
Dude wtf
Fucking travel by Jerome before the assist on that last 3. Fuck UVA.
They have been dragging their pivots all night and not called. At least 4 times in the first half. Hope we get the same home cooking.
UVA shooting the lights out
Bud Foster must be in charge of the defense tonight... am I doing this right dc?
Sometimes you just get whipped.
They're 3 point shooting is the difference at the half. We are about to get run out the gym at this rate.
Doubled our score at half. We are already getting run out of the gym
If DCWilson had posted this you'd be down voting the hell out of him.
Just saying, glass houses and all...
DC is the man who has cried wolf to many times that's why he gets downvoted all too hell
So, basically, he no longer gets a pass?
Realistically they have to level off, but if we don't find some offense it won't matter.
We are so slow in defending at this point give em the twos and stop the 3 we are embarrassing ourselves out there
This is fucking ridiculous... I'll check the score later
edit: The fact they are making everything they throw up is the ridiculous part. I expected to struggle on offense against them but their 8 more 3s is the clear difference in the game.
This is carnage. Please start missing UVA. They can't maintain that rate can they?
Doesn't matter. They could score only 10 second half points and they'll still win, even if we play better offense
Wow....well probably a good thing this isn't nationally televised.
I don't mind that we are losing (UVa is hitting everything they throw near the rim) but I would very much like if we could manage to get a few of our shots to go in.
UVa is the best team in the country and it isn't even close
They might walk to the Natty, and I'm not joking
Gotta get past that 16 seed tho.
You've said that for the last 2-3 yrs.
Just like Jerome on that last play...
We'll find out more on Sat when they play Duke.
UVA is the best team in the country by a HUGE margin. If they don't win the title, they are the biggest choke artists ever. Meanwhile we are grossly overrated at #9, which I've been saying since the debacle against a horrible Penn State team. We're good, but not top 10, and certainly nowhere near the top tier. Even if they shot a normal % from 3 it would be a double digit margin
You were right that we suck. Congrats? Hope you're enjoying the I told you so moment
Can you read? I said "we're good"
They ABSOLUTELY WILL NOT win the title. You can take that to the fuckin bank.
Yeah they might not. And if they don't, it will be another major choke.
Observation on tonight and the season... would love to know the percentage of open shots we give up after doubling the post
Well hopefully we can stick to the script of the past couple of years of a blowout loss and then a close win when we face them back at home.
Well. Enjoy the 2nd half fellas. Not gonna subject myself to that torture for another 20 minutes. See you guys back in Cassell. Hopefully we learn how to shoot again by then. Tried to warn you guys about ACC play Ahmed Hill. Dude just flips a switch off for some reason. Goodnight fellow Hokies
You're right. If Ahmed Hill had made one or two of his 3's, we'd be winning!!!! /s
This isn't about any one player. Our program is way behind theirs
He had that 1 nice drive to the bucket. Where the hell has that been, ever?
Hill has actually done that at least once per game or close to it.
This game reminds me a lot of last year's first game vs UVA. We can't buy a bucket and they keep drilling 3 pointers - wide open and contented.
Hunter is so much longer and versatile than I thought. Not saying he's KD but his game kinda remind me of KD.
take away that last second 3 and it's the same score differential fsu had at uva at half a few days ago. just hope it's somewhat of a game in the second half
First game I get to watch this year and UVA can't miss. Ugh. I'll stop watching now. Maybe that way UVA will start missing.
Don't let the halftime score distract you from the fact LOLUVA is the only #1 seed to ever lose to a #16 seed.
Plus...my god what a bunch of d-bags. Players and their "fans".
Ty Jerome is such a little baby. Complains about everything. I mean I remember he was crying and complaining during the UMBC game last year. He almost got T'd up then
I enjoyed that part THOROUGHLY.
Just make it respectable in the second half at this point.
They shot 69% (nice) from three, obviously a statistical outlier...sometime the basketball gods aren't in our favor, just shake it off and move on.
Correction: 71%
I'm out. Not supposed to go to bed mad so....you know.
They best hope this game doesn't go to OT /sthisisanasswhooping
Yeah, we just arent as good a team.
Actually we are just uva wants it more
Uh no, we definitely are not. Nothing but homerism would suggest otherwise.
The current score punches a gaping hole in your theory. Now, if we can end it, say, 5 pts or less, then that will make a stronger case.
Here we go with you 2 the twins of complaining all the time
Dude, what in my comment registers as an actual, factual, legitimate complaint?? All I did was present some evidence contrary to your statement. I wasn't even attacking you or the team. Fuck, dude. Seriously.
I don't know what you are referring to but the last time I checked saying the other team is better isn't complaining. Also, its just true lmao.
Wonder if Guy and Jerome can make a 3 from locker room
68% shooting overall at the half, 71% from deep.
VT is working harder to get shots and all, but damn if it is just not a hot shooting night. Several guys getting hot and feeling it for UVA. When you double inside and rotate, you are going to live with some of those deep shots.
Gotta keep fighting in the second. Would like to see NAW get going.
Man is that all? It was 80% at one point and seemed like they rattled off 3 more.
Whelp, as long as we stab 'em in the rematch & they don't even make it to the title game, I'll be content.
Man I just dropped like $80 on a Tech UVA ticket in Cassell in February (plus Airbnb, plus day off work) hope we rebound strongly from this and we're still in the mix in a month and Cassell is rocking.
We get blown out in one game and win the other in OT
It's the law and we can't change it
Lol yes! Would be perfectly happy for that!
I feel like our best chance at 3's at this point is to bank it off one of the UVA guys' faces. Everything else they touch goes in.
They are shooting over 71% from 3.... not a typo. Combine that with super efficient defense where they are physical but don't foul- like the old Duke teams. They are much better than we are. And they also gave several bigs so if they cool down they can still dominate us on the boards. They are a 1 seed type team.
Hey guys! What did I mis...
Loooool. Made me actually lol in this moment of high stress.
Looks like it was needed. Yikes this is rough
It's only halftime. Nothing is over. It ain't over til it's over.
How any times has UVA scored 44 in a half this season. I'm gonna guess its less than 5. Hopefully they use up all their karma tonight and we can take in the Cassell.
They need to put the first half behind them and just come out and play VT basketball in the second half. Make it respectable at least.
I called a voodoo expert to hex the UVA 3 pt game for the second half.
Jack Salt, 8th year.
Seriously, it feels like he's been there since 2010.
Huff... equally annoying and limited on offense is a true freshman so, no end in sight
Annoying as a twig whereas Salt has always been a lumbering oaf.
Even on turnovers (on the road! with only 4!) and getting blown out. Unbelievable.
every time one of their guys out rebounded the 3 or 4 adjacent hokies, or we just whiffed on an uncontested shot should count as a turnover, get back to me with that number.
Blackshear just got mauled on that play by 2 guys...nothing
Love the hustle. Good rotations on D. Confident drives and shots on offense. Team looks steady.
steadily cold.
I like to looks we are getting. They are not turning it over, they are getting good shots from where they want, and driving with confidence.
We need to jump into them when they bite on our pump fakes. Would have 9 more free throws and have to make them stay on the ground.
2 steals by Bede and we won the first 4 minutes of the half.
So many head scratching blacksheer fouls
I don't think that last one was such a head scratcher. I know that's the meta on him, but he was aggressive in the lane.
Imagine being the guy a little ways above who blamed this game on Hill. He's pretty much our only offensive threat atm
Wasn't me but I did respond a bit confounded after seeing the Hill drive to the bucket. Wish he'd do that a little more often instead of.just shooting spot up 3s. He originally reminded me of another Buzz product, Jimmy Butler, but kind of tapered off.
I wasn't being facetious earlier. When is it a foul and when isn't it? I really can't tell.
Tell me about it, I've been consistently confused especially in the second half
Not that i think it's the reason we're losing but how come every time our defenders go for the block they get called for a foul but every time theirs play the balm the exact same way they don't?
Home cooking or ACC officials. Your call.
In the ACC the heirarchy is Duke, UNC, highly ranked team, home team. After that the calls are fair. LOLUVA was the highly ranked home team. We weren't going to get any calls. Sadly for us highly ranked trumps home team; so we won't get the calls in Cassel either.
Well gents, it was fun for a bit, but now it's less fun again.
Why wasn't that T on Salt for slamming the ball against the backboard from the free throw line?
Because you're foolishly expecting a fair and impartially called game.
We've worked all half to get down to 21-points. If only the game was 4 hours longer.
Please no
Fuck it, let's get em back at Cassell.
Yeah, think it's time to throw on deadwood and forget we played tonight....
Good news is we basically double our first half score in the first ten minutes of the 2nd half.
Bad news is UVA still can't miss.
JROB got a technical but SALT didnt get a T BS
How dare we touch a UVA player foul on VT
And j rob gets t'ed up for that??!
Fucking soft tech zebras
Comical technical foul
This officiating is a complete joke. I'm not saying we should be winning, but its as bad as playing a game in Cameron Indoor.
On top of that. No team allowing 65%+ from the floor is going to win very many times.
We are playing like shit.... But these refs are atrocious
My good friend (UVA alum) is at the game (4 rows up) and said he was most excited about watching NAW play. Just texted me and said his body language is really poor, not showing great effort, seems to be dragging the team down.
Just reporting folks. Don't shoot the messenger.
Must not be a very good friend if he is a UVA alum....but bummer to hear, hoping they will continue to fight even with the game already in hand.
He just went for a 50/50 ball on the floor.
He's young and his play has dropped in the acc. Wouldn't surprise me if he's a bit bummed.
This is what I told by buddy. He did the same thing last year when we started ACC play. I think he gets lost in big moments at times.
Lol he's averaging over 16 ppg in ACC play and dropped 25 three games ago, his play hasn't dropped.
I don't understand, why would we double Salt with Blackshear on him? To save a post move and KB picking up the inevitable foul?
I think we lost this game.
Season's over /s
Ty Jerome has a punchable face.
Hill need to hard fouls his ass for pulling that shit.
Remember when we complained about this game not getting top billing?
Turned into a blessing.
Fuck I'm gonna have to pull for Duke on Saturday
Well...at least we didn't follow up our shitty GT game with another...
Oh, wait...
Wow...is this what their football fans feel like when we kick the shit out of them?
All 17 of them.
12..,you were counting the ushers.
Shit. Good call.
Welp. I sat through it. Not sure why.
Same here.
Same. Felt like I was at the dentist's office.
But...I like going to the dentist.
You're an animal
Seriously, compared to this game, going to the dentist would actually be more enjoyable.
Don't let that beat down distract you from the fact LOLUVA is the only #1 seed to ever lose to a #16 seed.
We ar getting clowned. Badly
Horrible performance tonight. They embarrassed us and rubbed our noses in it. We deserve to plummet in the rankings
Were you in Blacksburg last year for the LOLUVA game?
For getting ass-blasted by the #4 team in the country??
If UNC falls one spot after getting shit on by Louisville (at home)...yeah we'll drop about 10 lol
Got served, bitchez(us).
Love the guy they showed wearing a dress shirt and tie with a hard hat (but looks more like those plastic baseball hats we used to wear as kids). So UVA.
The best part is this only counts as 1 loss for us and 1 win for UVA. We can erase this at the Cassell.
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Drink
Going to get my money back from that voodoo expert.
Hung with them in the second half to lose by the half-time deficit. Too bad we couldn't have played better and them worse in the first half
Someone put the They had Us in the first half Picture earlier. His whole speech can reflect this game
For what it's worth the only P5 team to score more than we did on UVA is Maryland. Fix whatever happened on defense and hope they don't shoot nearly 60% for the game and we'll have a shot in Cassell.
Agreed. We need to polish things up for sure, but their shooting percentage was just a laughable anomaly and of course they have it against us. They made everything they put up; contested and not. No chance in hell they shoot like that on Saturday against Duke which pisses me off so much. On to the next.
I've watched all but two games this year. I have to say this is the one game where having Chris Clarke would have made a world of difference. Hunter killed us.....yes the three ball was the biggest killer, but Hunter was the nail in the coffin and Clarke would have matched up so well against him
Yeah.
Not having one of or the combination of Clarke and Nolley is going to hurt us against good teams.
I'm not worried, hung with em in the second half. They have a damn good team too. They look to be the best team in the country by a fairly wide margin, especially after Duke lost Jones to injury. We'll get em in Cassell.
Let's all get some ice cream and just chill out
But no sprinkles - sprinkles are for winners.
Not a #9 team by no means, but I think we ALL knew that. Rough loss, but on to the next one. Got a rough schedule coming up UNC, NCSt., Syracuse, WF. Gotta just put this one to bed.
We didn't play great. If UVA plays every game like that there's not a single team that's going to beat them.
Last year in January we lost to UVA by 26 IN CASSELL and then beat them in the rematch Yeah we should be better than last year but this isn't that bad of a loss considering how well they shot. We'll be fine.
I watched this with maybe 12 UVA grads. Big oof. Not too much there to be happy about. On to the next. Let's just win the games we are supposed to win.
I'll be having to deal with my UVA fan boss tomorrow I'm sure he'll have smug dialed up to 11, funny he has zero ties to UVA at all but is such the typical UVA smugness.
TLDR smug fan bases attract more smug fans
What do LOLUVA fans and VT fans have in common?
Neither went to UVA.
Fortunately since I'm in graduate school, all the UVA fans actually did go there and know what they are talking about. Well, some know what they are talking about lol.
I've been keeping an eye on it but I wanted to get more of a sample size but I think I've seen enough;
It's officially time to start to worry about what's wrong with Justin Robinson.
Since about the middle of December, he hasn't played very well at all, especially by his standards. There's little glimpses here or there but never a full game of the usual 5 play. He hasn't been shooting all that well or being the usual spark we've seen in the past. Something is definitely off with him right now
Interesting tweet from Chris Clarke. Doesn't look like he took the picture & added the caption (you should need to click on the image to see it), but he posted it.
Think he means literally?
Well I think it means bridges are being burned
It could be that...or it could be that whatever transpired that got him suspended indefinitely has been cleared up, but at this point in the season, it makes more sense to redshirt him, and he is just itching to get back on the court with his Hokie brethren?
Please?
It's from his snapchat story. He was there, took the pic & posted it w/ that caption
Oh my bad. That makes it more interesting. It just looked like it was from the UVA band section or something lol
Went to his twitter and saw this one:
Wouldn't people giving him money be a NCAA violation?
I don't think so lol. Unless they are donors or something. But if I give him a 20 as a birthday gift I don't think that's an issue
As shitty as the NCAA is, I honestly don't know.
Quality loss?