February 2019 - Recruiting Thread Part III

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The previous thread was a disaster and skewed way off topic and. It's locked down now, please use this.

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Wait... I thought recruiting threads were supposed to skew way off topic?

S/

Is it basketball season yet?

Exactly. We can only discuss mayonnaise in these threads

No, mayonnaise is not an instrument.

but what about horseradish??

Acceptable on roast beef.

If you're not sure if my comment warrants a "/s", it probably does.

It's locked down now, please use this.

Is this new functionality? First I'm seeing of it on TKP.

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in all seriousness, I'm pumped as hell about Nester, Hudson and Hanson. Just look at the sheer size of those guys before they've even spent a minute in a college weight program. VV is killing it!

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I am really happy with the Nester commitment. Give me all the big silly's. IMO no other position lets the other positions prosper much more than OL does for RB's, WR's, and QB's.

We can get all the skilled talent at RB's, WR's, and QB's but if you have no OL, then you have no offensive team.

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BIG FACTS RIGHT HERE

"You know when the Hokies say 'We are Virginia Tech' they're going to mean it."- Lee Corso

As boring as "we're going to win in the trenches" might sound, it is absolutely critical to winning often at a high level. Just as much as having O-Linemen who can pass and run block at a high level affects the running and passing game (go figure, who knew?), having a DL that can fit in their run gaps and also collapse the pocket or rush the passer can make the linebackers and secondary look great.

"Why gobble gobble chumps asks such good questions, I will never know." - TheFifthFuller

Florida State last year got wrecked because their offensive line was just so bad. Perfect example of what you're pointing out.

Florida State last year got wrecked because every aspect of the whole team was bad. But I agree the O-line did suck for them and it played a part in them sucking.

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And a great DL makes things much easier for LB's and the Secondary.

Even great DB's can cover for so long if you're not getting pressure on the QB.

Tyrod did it Mikey, Tyrod did it!!

I agree... I should have worded it "trenches" instead of OL as a great DL helps LB's, Safeties, and corners prosper more as well

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A good o-line makes the d-line better because: practice.

Good point. I guess I was focusing on who would prosper the most but you are certainly right about getting better by facing against good competition.

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A good O-line also helps the D-line by giving them a chance to rest during the game. Keeping them fresh cuts down on injuries, too.

Ut Prosim Ad Dei Gloriam

Hopefully, one of these Juco DL can pop and be ready to play next year. It's always a crap shoot on Juco players. Need to start hitting the DL and DE positions hard for 2020.

Based on recent offer blasts, it seems 2020 and 2021 will be huge priority years for DE. Need to do the same on the interior as well.

outoftowner5 brought up an interesting point in the previous:

That is grade A negative recruiting being put in his ear. This is the type of stuff our staff needs to get ahead of with recruits and squash before it bites us, which it may have.

This is the drawback to the boom-or-bust approach Tech took with bringing Asante in on an official visit before the early signing period. It's very hard to fend off the negative recruiting down the stretch. Best to hope for is Tech is able to talk with him ahead of his announcement to set the record straight.

Yeah I think it is hard in hindsight to know what is the right call, but I think they had to take there swing at him while we were first to offer and he was getting ready to "blow up" with offers.

Since we only have so much support staff and the weekend he took his official was along with at least 12 other officials, so I can guarantee he got way less personalized attention than Nester did last weekend. That and I think he was the only official for UNC so they had the opportunity to lay on the thick "salesmanship" they have.

I tell this to anyone who will listen but it still boggles my mind why ANYONE would go to UNC to play football. Beyond the Jordan swag, very few to no one cares about UNC football, they haven't put alot of folks into the league in recent years, and outside of 2015 haven't been good since 1997.

It's impossible to know what the best recruiting strategy is for every player. Having a large group visit with lots of solid commitments worked with Fuga and Barno. We've also heard that Devyn Ford made a strong connection with other Penn State commits during his visit and that may have been a significant factor in influencing his decision.

I'm not saying there's nothing to be learned from this situation but sometimes you can do everything extremely well and it still doesn't work out.

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Yea but his strongest connection got big timed and had an embarrassing temporary commitment to us before high tailing down to Auburn

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No staff can handle that BS 2 days before signing day. UNC would have lost him if we had an extra week

Keep calm, Gobble on

Well that's my point, that's the downside (or bust) of scheduling the official visit before the early signing period. Having the last face to fact contact in recruiting is a huge advantage (see: Nester). I wonder if Tech will revisit that strategy down the road.

dammit, I was asleep.

Anyone able to give a summary of what the BS is without the shitstorm convo that locked down previous thread?

got t. thanks

yeah our vary LAST chance for FULLWOOD jokes and joe just shuts it down. what a wasted opportunity!

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Without Hooker around we weren't going to maintain Fullwood

I wonder if the loss of DF will have the program flying at half-staff this week

You're the only ones that I can talk to about this, you guys.

You guys are divine diablo's

Tyrod did it Mikey, Tyrod did it!!

It is definitely a drawback, but one thing we've seen a little with this staff is reports of recruits mentioning the staff seemed to lose touch. I'm not talking about guys who we're cooling on, either. I think Sainristil said something to this effect at some point, and there have been others.

Regardless, when something happens like the mass exodus to the portal, the coaches HAVE to know that is going to get played up, and need to be putting out those fires ASAP. It is troubling to see a recruit reaching out to a (transferring) player. Coaches should have been all over him as soon as all that went down. We need to be interfacing with the recruits to assure them it's for the best, the team meeting went well, we're better for it, etc. I'm sure this message should be repeated, especially when we know it will be used against us on the trail.

Asante reaching out to Kumah doesn't mean coaches weren't doing what they were supposed to be doing or not communicating with him. It's not surprising that Asante wanted to hear the flip side of the coin. If someone was leaving a job you were thinking of taking, most people would be interested in hearing that leaving person's honest opinion of the job and not just take the job pitch at face value.

I am not shocked he reached out to a player to hear a different side of things.

The coaches should be the ones making sure he knows that losing a DT and a S isn't accurate, though.

But it is accurate, we lost Darius Fullwood (DL/DT) and Devante Smith (DB/S) to the transfer market.
Granted, they were buried on the depth chart, but they did transfer.

Fullwood graduated and Smith was a non scholarship player.

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Fullwood is a graduate transfer, yes. But he still transferred.

And while Smith might not have been on Scholarship (however nowhere did I see that in his recruiting from 2017.. he was committed for a long time and signed with us... plus we are not in the business of pulling scholarships from injured players), and he was probably more of a Safety than a Corner, especially after his ACL injury during his senior HS season... but he still transferred.

This just goes back to the main point - it should have been clarified. A graduate transfer and a guy not on scholarship who doesn't have a chance of ever playing here should never be misconstrued as a negative toward the program and/or 'guys fleeing tech'

1) The coaches would have to know that FSU made this dumb negative recruiting statement (it's not that hard to verify who has left)
2) This convo doesn't prove the coaches didn't do that. Doesn't prove they did either. But if this is your only proof they didn't, it isn't there.

I think it shows maturity. Do your research before you make a big decision like this. We don't think he made the right choice, but it looks like he was thorough and thoughtful doing so.

Outside it's night time, but inside it's LeDay

This is probably a really dumb question, but if today is signing day, don't we usually have a thread with all the tweets and commitments? We had one for the early signing period right? Is something different this year?

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If I had to guess sheer volume, plus all three of our expected LOI's came in early this am. Our day is done barring a miracle recovery with Asante or a last minute "wtf" commit. ESD will be the bigger signing day moving forward unless something changes.

I think it is only because of the few announcements expected today. We landed all but a 3-4 spots at the early signing period.

Come to Blacksburg and see what the Hokie Pokie is really all about

Since there are only 3-4 expected signings depending on how nester went/Asante turns out, I think one was deemed unnecessary

Makes sense, thanks guys!

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The vast majority signed back in December. Kadum, Nester, Astante, and Cunningham I believe are the only guys who were in play today.

For what it is worth, the Tank kid from the 757 which decommitted after the whole Tajh Capehart fiasco ended up committing to Liberty.

Five star get after it 100 percent Juice Key-Playing. MAN

Clark likely will be as well. Will be interesting to line up against them in 2022 when they'll both be in their 4th years and very well could be the starters.

I guess we'll find out if Tank can defend a deep ball against our tall receivers

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I guess we'll find out if Tank can defend a deep jump ball against our tall receivers

FTFY.

If you're not sure if my comment warrants a "/s", it probably does.

Ouch.

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What a difference a year and a half (and no growth spurt) makes...

You're the only ones that I can talk to about this, you guys.

I gotta hope Dax and some other players are helping talk with Asante.

If you don't want to recruit clowns, don't run a clown show.

"I want to punch people from UVA right in the neck." - Colin Cowherd

Asante is now an 80% UNC Lean on 247 unfortunately. Evan Watkins now has his CB with the Tarholes.

If you don't want to recruit clowns, don't run a clown show.

"I want to punch people from UVA right in the neck." - Colin Cowherd

Locksley made a move today with 4* QB Lance LeGendre, once thought to be a sure thing to FSU.

He may strike twice and nab high 4* S Nick Cross as a flip from FSU, who earlier was viewed as a possible flip to PSU.

Dude could recruit and so could the previous UMD staff. Let's see if he can coach and beat OSU, UM, MSU UW Purdue and PSU otherwise good fucking luck

Keep calm, Gobble on

I don't see where UMD prospers in any way. With Michigan, OSU, MSU, and PSU... Maryland is good for 4th place or worst every year in their division (let alone the conference) unless something changes drastically at Michigan, OSU, and PSU.

They. Are. Fucked. lol

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Their ceiling seems pretty low being in that division against that kind of talent. Their ceiling isn't low in recruiting, however, and that's where Locksley can really do damage. It will be tough recruiting the DMV against him.

Yea we'll def feel it in the recruiting aspect of it early on, but as they continue to lose, IMO we will see those effects less and less until they make another new hire.

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I think it depends on the expectations and ambitions of their Athletic Department and fanbase. If Locksley can get them to 9-3, 8-4 regularly I think he will stick around for awhile. Beat one of the 4 division contenders every so often (tOSU, Mich, MSU, PSU), and it's probably good enough to keep him employed.

I agree... 9-3, 8-4 would probably suffice for UMD but I don't see it on a regular basis, but thats just me. Maybe a year here and there they could obtain that.

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Durkin was cutting all sorts of corners, and trying to make his team "mean". Was sort of beating up on the 3 and 4 stars they were recruiting, to the point of being dangerous.

I'm sort of hoping Locksley falls way short.

ACC coach of the year isn't good enough to not get fired at Maryland.

Probably, but they've had some doses of reality recently.

Agreed

I agree but he is the perfect kind of coach for their situation because they are in such a tough spot in their conference that like you guys said, the ceiling doesn't seem that high. The other way to keep fan bases happy or at least at bay is recruiting at a high level because it gives the fan base optimism every off season and buys the coach some good will. Example: people were losing their shit this season and after the bowl game but things have gotten a lot more optimistic around here with the recent recruiting wins.

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I agree he was the best fit for their situation now. Time will tell though

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It wlll be interesting to see what areas we focus on moving forward and where we have success. It would be nice if Jafar Williams is able to leverage some connections in Eastern PA and NJ since those areas are within a pretty reasonable geographic footprint for VT.

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Maryland is fucked because its the state school of Maryland.

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Their helmet design doesn't help either.

JP

Based off his previous stints, I don't think he can coach.

In Sam Rogers we trust.

Hey let's look on the brightside. UVA literally had to go to Germany to find a QB and an OT. At least we can still get it done in America.

15 Straight

i apologize if this has been posted anywhere, but is there any news surrounding when/if Asante is announcing today? Is he doing a formal announcement that someone might be Periscoping?

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Edit: Lost by 32 seconds. Replacing tweet with gif

I respect wherever Asante goes and I wish him the best, I just hope he is getting facts and not some fake news that people are spreading.

https://deadspin.com/miami-hurricanes-sign-large-tatted-up-australian-to-be-1832393648/amp

Hope we see this guy on the field early and often

The replies are pretty good. And Bradburn getting in on it too.

I hope he keeps taking his time kicking it after catching it :)

He wont need to punt when our defense has a pick 6 every possession

Danny is always open
23 can't read

I mean its nice he can kick some booming kicks, but much like FG kickers that can make it from 75 yards before the game with no line to kick over, he needs to prove it on the field with a DL gunning for the block.

But hey, good for him, he's getting a free education out of his ability to kick a ball.

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I think Aussie punters have proved enough that the transition is nbd.

I'm specifically referencing the video on Deadspin. I mean he's kicking some boomers, but he takes a day and a half to kick after the catch.

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What is he, 40?

He looks like most retirees from the NFL in age.

Was waiting for that.

He's 25-26, played 2017 and 2018 at a JUCO in California. Saw a fall 2017 article about him where it was mentioned that he was 24.

I'm happy that we got our Aussie punter fresh from the land down under!

go hokies! sorry wrong post.

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Thought this was interesting:

According to which stats exactly? Definitely not points per game -- the most important one.

My assumption is yards/game

He was talking about passing attempts, yards, passing TD's etc earlier in the presser but I missed this part.

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Only VT fans can find negatives with successful recruiting pitches

Keep calm, Gobble on

Hot off the presses.

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This is great lol

Oh boy I've missed this meme

Keep calm, Gobble on

I actually wanted to use a different format but couldn't find it/was more interested in eating dinner.

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To be fair, I wasn't thinking about him using it as a recruiting pitch, I thought about it in the context of him bragging on himself and his offenses in a defensive manner.

Not a very high bar to clear.

If you're not sure if my comment warrants a "/s", it probably does.

True, which is why he has three classes in the top 10.

But for some reason, a lot of people on this site don't seem to know that.

I feel like a lot of schools might be experiencing record offenses more often than not with the way the game has evolved, to be fair. Just a guess though.

VT Class of '12 (MSE), MVBone, Go Hokies!

Bamas class is stupid again. Every single player is a 4*, except the kicker, who's the number 1 rated kicker.

Lol I looked at their class yesterday and saw 1 3* and said to myself "I bet that's like the best kicker in the country or something." Clicked in, found the guy...sure enough.

(add if applicable) /s

I'm hoping that next season is the year they drop a couple regular season games. This coaching and player turnover has got to eventually have an effect. An injury to a player like Tua could make them look mortal, who knows.

They won't lose multiple regular season games next year. They still return almost their entire offense and some of the important parts of the defense.

The coaching and player turnover did catch up to them, when they had one healthy OLB (their edge rushing positions, zero healthy players at the primarily pass rushing specialist position) in the National Championship game, and a bunch of checked out coaches with one foot already elsewhere, and lost all their top 7 secondary contributors from 2017. They will probably have a better defense this coming season than last year.

Multiple games is a stretch. Opening with Duke, well I feel sorry for any team that plays bama with more than a week free before the game. Also Duke lost a lot of offensive players. Bama has a bye before probably their toughest game, @A&M. LSU still needs a QB to compete. Auburn is really the only other chance.

It's important to remember that they won every regular season game by 22 or more points last season. The injuries and lack of depth caught up to them in the postseason. It's difficult to not focus on the most recent performance, but the NCG was a poor example of the quality of that team.

I know I know. But a guy can dream. I would just really like to see some cracks in their engine. It would make the season more interesting if Alabama could take even a minor step back.

Seeing what Clemson did to them in the National Championship game was surreal. Does anybody remember off the top of their head the last time Alabama got handled like that?

Music city Bowl against the Hokies!

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Did you really just say "lack of depth" about Bama?! Thats an Oxymoron at this point...

Tu-rod did it Mikey! Tu-rod did it!

It was true... 3/4 of their two deep at OLB was injured, and they only had a true freshman who wasn't physically ready to play 3-4 OLB and a former walk on. They were playing ILB Dylan Moses at their rush specialist OLB spot on passing downs. It made a huge difference in their pass rush (or lack thereof).

It's funny to say about Bama because it sounds ridiculous, but it can happen to anyone in college football because of the various forms of attrition.

I think its always interesting to point out where hokies end up. a little OT but sam Denmark signed with coastal Carolina today. (and there was no drama about him talking to any other recruits) best of luck to sam!

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Maybe in retrospect he was talking to recruits after all...

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Ummmm????

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Knowing Pete, this was a scheduled tweet from earlier today that didn't send so he decided to just send it now

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Let us have this hope Skutt!

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Yep. I'd change my mind if it was Guerry or Diethorn but the VT Football account doesn't do anything for me.

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Maybe the official account is just tardy to the Nester Party? Or we can read in to it and assume it's Asante. The second will help pass the time at work more efficiently, so that's the road I am going down. All are welcome to join.

Can someone explain to me what mood those emojis depict?

heat rising, fire, up, turkey.

I'm not good at this we need to bring in Buzz to figure it out.

(add if applicable) /s

"heat up the turkey"

"Why gobble gobble chumps asks such good questions, I will never know." - TheFifthFuller

My mid-thirties, anti-social media interpretation is "fired up"?

Looks like heuplek agrees.... maybe we've finally cracked the code.

We may not be done yet!

@CraigThompsonVT

Go on

Tyrod did it Mikey, Tyrod did it!!

I have yet to walk into a target store seeing this.

Let's Go

HOKIES

There would definitely be a crowd.

Is this what my wife does there all damn day?!

"That’s a stupid question. Next question."
-Corey Moore

Finally, a clear definition of targeting that we can all understand.

I'm jumping on the optimism train!!!

Can somebody please tell me what team that Fuente tackling Foster celebration was against?
and now
Can somebody please tell me what team our last recruiting battle for the 2019 class is against?

Could they both be wins? I sure hope so!

Yeah this maybe in reference to Carter Rivenburg as he announced on 2:30.

Definitely.

And I think I speak for everyone:

You're the only ones that I can talk to about this, you guys.

LA or Bag

can either of you comment on this guy? was he always a hokie take or did this just happen since the asante news? im not familiar with the name,

Ah'shawn Moore 2"3" OLB from chesapeak VA Indian River HS (same as devon hunter) 3star .8366 composite ranking on 247. 100% CBs to VT as of now.

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He came up in the other thread and there's only 1 CB from 2016. I wouldn't expect that we're really doing much right now.

so im guessing hes not a take for us anymore?

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Grades. Hasn't been a take in like 2 years

(add if applicable) /s

I think this is the guy who is going JUCO and our coaches are going to keep tabs on him.

I think youre right, I got him confused with someone else. leg for you sir.

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That shirt belongs on "grounds" in Hooville, not down in the beautiful paradise known as Blacksburg

You will see this game, this upset and this sign next on ESPN Sportscenter. Virginia Tech 31 Miami 7

PWO? He's not on 247.

Bench Press 300 Squat 315

6' 180 and 18, that BP number is either inflated or he's been skipping leg day quite a bit.

(add if applicable) /s

Color me confused. Am I seeing "Open Committed"? As in he's not 800% committed?

This is such a weird smorgasbord of background, photos and randomness.

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Open 24/7 and Committed. Which begs the question, is this Danny Coale 2.0?

Ahhhhh thank you. I'm fine with Danny Coale 2.0. Hopefully the refs will realize this guy catches the ball too

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FWIW, he says his brother works at the school.

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We could put together a very sad collage of guys we missed on rocking our gear close to decision day

Yep. You'd think we would've been through enough of these to know how it works by now. These recruiting experts don't have 90+% accuracy by switching to the wrong school within 24 hours of the announcement.

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It's a trap.

Vroom Vroom

Things we all should have learned by now. Tweets mean nothing. So if your post is a tweet and starts with "FWIW" its worth nothing.

(add if applicable) /s

Lol you're not wrong.

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It's Time to go to Work

He was wearing a VT sweatshirt in school yesterday.

What kind of t-shirt was he wearing under that?

If you're not sure if my comment warrants a "/s", it probably does.

And what kind of hat was his mom wearing?

We are going to be Long Snapper U!! Or LSU for short

"#1 in VA"

WE LOCKIN DOWN THE STATE AGAIN BOYS (just ignore everything else about the context)

Even thanked his girl for helping him practice in the cold. Nice, dude.

40th best? yikes. hes going to lower our class ranking and then everyone is going to say fuente cant recruit again!

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Don't think PWO count in the crootin rankings

"I'm too drunk to taste this chicken" - Colonel Sanders via Ricky Bobby

Carter Rivenburg also PWO from Buffalo Gap HS. 3000 yards, 41 TDs as a senior. Legit size. White guy RB bias but he's got potential.

Should have gone after Kadum.

It's gotta be a grad (or waiver) transfer option. Anything else wouldn't do them any good next season.

Decent accuracy but he'll need to work on that side arm motion, noticed a little bit of a hitch.

Tyrod did it Mikey, Tyrod did it!!

HH or JJ?

πŸ¦ƒ πŸ¦ƒ πŸ¦ƒ

looking for the next chris winkie bagging groceries to walk off the street and play for them.

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Just once I want to hear a Coach in this position forgo the Coach Speak and just exclaim "Yeah we're pretty much boned".

his footwork and vision remind me of andrew ford a bit, but he looks to have a slightly more dynamic throwing motion

Chick Patty w/ Cheese

Good size (6'3" says 247), accurate, decent footwork, throws the RPO slant well (Fuente bread and butter). Actually think he shows more on tape than Kadum, but I assume the competition level is lower. Curious to know more. Looks like walk on Jack Click type.

Anyone have a link to asantes ceremony?

Directions from Blacksburg to whoville, go north till you smell it then go east until you step in it

He just committed to UNC

Football is a lot like life, and you're going to have disappointments. The issue is how you come back from them.

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Vroom Vroom

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Im not a masochist, so no.

It's Time to go to Work

had a feeling it would break that way. unc fans were sending him gifs and we were sending turkey emojis

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We flipped a blue chip from OSU.

Nester is a huge get and he's going to help sell the idea that VT is the big place to be.

Keep calm, Gobble on

Having Nester could possibly lead to Chris Tyree. Fingers crossed

oh my sweet summer child

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This demonstrates the issue moving forward with UNC. It doesn't matter if they win 7 games or 10 or anywhere in between. All they have to do is take a couple Asantes per class to fuck us. He was Tech before their push. Our class is good and I'm happy with it, but UNCs recruiting accumen is a problem for us, no question.

Time will tell how it shakes out but this isn't the first and won't be the last time UNC gets a recruit we want (Dazz Newsome, Travis Hughes, and Marquis Williams off the top of my head). UNC is a huge brand in college athletics and that's going to appeal to some recruits. Still, if our staff can unite the team and get things moving in the right direction again, I think we will be fine. Mack Brown is freaking old and that's not going to get any better.

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Newsome got slow played by Beamer staff for some reason.

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Was at a VT/UNC have in Chapel Hill back in the Adibi/Hall era and the biggest cheer in the stadium (bigger than the entrance even) was when 4 basketball players showed up in the student section. Standing ovation DURING the game when UNC's offense was lining up.

Pathetic.

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I've witnessed the same thing there when they showed Roy on the jumbotron.

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You gotta remember he shoved years of recruiting into a few months. We didn't have time to come back from the last word. Im sure if that recruitment lasts a few more weeks we'd be fine.

I don't care if they steal 'cruits I want to win games.

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They won't be the shiny object long. We just need to focus on making sure our own shine doesn't fade. This year has to be the start of a constant progression upward and recruits will have proof of the vision Fuente is selling.

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Agree. I banged my drum on this with the exact same take. I don't think they contend for the Coastal, but they will recruit better and hurt Tech in the process.

But for how long? Does Mack get the Beamer treatment, especially if UNC remains mediocre?
Old, out of touch, the game has passed him, won't be there for 4 years, his only good years were with Vince Young, etc.

I'm not sure how long they'll be a thorn in the side, but I doubt it's Mack's entire tenure.

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Tough to know, I mean Fedora isnt in the conference so that leaves Dabo?

Beamer's age wouldn't have been a problem if he had Tim Brewster heading his recruiting.

How long do you think he will actual coach the team and then where will Brewster go? His longest stay was 8 years at UNC from '89-97. Other than that he has moved around ALOT.

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Mack's a short term fix to stabilize things.

What is he Stabilizing? They won 2 games last year and 3 before that. They scared a rebuild will drop them to 1 win?

They're scared of missing out on bowl games for multiple years and turning in to Southern Rutgers but with better basketball. Mack's job is to make them respectable, keep the boosters happy (he's great at that) and leave the program in better shape when he walks away in 4 years.

Exactly. And of course they are going to negative recruit against us, we have actively and vocally went after NC recruits complete with a twitter campaign. On field results win recruiting battles.

I've countered previously that UNC has always gotten recruits, regardless of who the coaching staff was, and VT has won a lot of games during that time period post Mack Brown leaving UNC the first time.

The outlier now is NC State. Them having better recruiting is what will hurt VT.

Agreed. I always felt Fedora recruited pretty well for UNC with a few classes ranked above VT. I don't see how Mack Brown recruiting 4 - 4 star guys is anything new. Sure they will prb have a few more next year but UNC was always able to recruit 4 star and high 3 star players under Fedora as well. It's much easier for fans to point to guys who commit to UNC over VT and say "SEE I TOLD YOU, UNC IS STEALING OUR RECRUITS" to prove their point though so I'm sure this narrative will continue.

Really, the combination of improved recruiting at State, UNC, UMD, and even Duke (who has a gotten a few guys we'd have liked to have). The mid Atlantic is much tougher now. Couple that with Clemson and Alabama purging the top talent in the region, and Penn State coming down too, climbing the ladder is going to be an uphill battle.

Having guys like Mook and HH leave the program probably doesn't help recruiting in NC, but hopefully guys like Dax and Tre balling out will offset it.

As for Virginia, just one big season where we knock off Clemson and win the big games could do wonders to instill a sense of pride back in the VA kids. That's a tall task though. Look out 2022.

Really, the combination of improved recruiting at State, UNC, UMD, and even Duke (who has a gotten a few guys we'd have liked to have). The mid Atlantic is much tougher now.

This. Ideally, we'd want BC, Syracuse, FSU, and Miami to be the only other good teams in the ACC, with every team between PA and Atlanta being mediocre. Unfortunately, PSU is an established program, Clemson and UGA are humming, the three of four P5 NC schools are all improved, UMD and SCar are able to recruit well enough to be annoying, and GT will be back in the recruiting mix now that they are running a normal system (I won't go as far as to say GT is a sleeping giant, but I'm definitely afraid).

The playing field is not as weak as it was from 2008-2012.

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So...2022 will be the year recruiting takes off?

Haha. In a few years, if all goes according to plan, we should have a developed QP at QB, experienced talent at WR, solid OL, and hopefully a playmaker at RB. On defense, if we can get some playmakers at DE and CB (like was once our M.O.), we have a chance to make a run.

A lot of the starting talent on Clemson's roster will head to the NFL in 2020 so we have a chance to catch them at the right time, if things work out.

A really good season would do wonders for our recruiting, I think.

A lot of the starting talent on Clemson's roster will head to the NFL in 2020 so we have a chance to catch them at the right time, if things work out.

Bruh, Clemson is showing no signs of slowing on the recruiting trail. It's looking like they'll replace Trevor Lawrence with the next Trevor Lawrence.

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I assume you are talking about DJ Uiagalelei, who I do not think is anywhere close to the caliber of Trevor Lawrence. In fact, I think he is more likely to be a Logan Thomas than Trevor Lawrence.

That said, I completely agree with you about their overall program and recruiting momentum. Clemson is poised for a great 2020 recruiting class after a (relatively) disappointing 2019 class. Clemson just got a bunch of CB's for #1 overall player Bryan Bresee and is well positioned with some other big names.

Fun Fact: Bresee goes my HS and the kid is a phenomenal player. (obviously has to be if hes the #1 overall).

Hes 6-5, 290, and had 46 tackles, 34 TFL, and 12.5 sacks as a junior this year on a team that won 53 straight games and 3 consecutive state titles. Theres a quote from one of the other high school coaches saying that he kept getting sacks and they had to double team him and have the RB chip him on passing plays to stop him.

Apparently a really smart kid too.

Use all of your powers to steer him away from Clemson for the sake of my mental health, please.

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Yea I honestly don't know who their next up QB is. Just pointing out that it's a terrible strategy to 'wait until clemson falls off' because I don't see it happening in the near the future.

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Just in time for the sport's popularity plunge due to CTE concerns. I think that's our chance to be truly special.

We didn't really need him if I'm gonna be that guy. Im pumped we got Nester and would have been stoked if we got Asante. OLB/LB is a position i'm happy with in regards to depth. Not a huge miss in regards to our roster...but yeah i'm sure we could have found him a spot on ST to start out.

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I wish I had your optimism for the depth at backer. Dax is a mike. Rivers struggled (but perhaps he improves with experience). After that it's a bunch of unknown quantities. Tisdale might be the surprise, but I believe he's dealt with injuries. I bet Tech is hoping Barno comes in over the summer and turns heads.

Very much so. Rivers at backer concerns me, he seemed consistently a step slow this year..maybe that will improve with more experience, but I'm not convinced he has the lateral quickness to be effective there. Expect to see a steady diet of Wheel routes from opposing offenses.

Tisdale was hurt and is essentially an unknown at this point. Barno could be the guy but also is essentially an unknown now.

Asante and Deng were two guys that fit the backer mold and we wanted bad. We lost both late in the process after being considered leading and we lost them to historically bad football programs. Not a good thing, no matter how you want to cut it.

Yet again, I continue to beat the drum that we need stronger Recruiters on the coaching staff particularly on the defensive side. Offensively we've actually done relatively well, and Vice in particular has been outstanding. I'm not even sure who would be considered our top D recruiter...?Wiles... even with that we have massive holes On the defensive line that we have had to go to the JUCO ranks to fill so it's pretty hard to call him exactly successful.

Ashby? Artis? Tisdale? Griffin? Damn guys it's not bad. Nester was a huge get and this was a very good class....again

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Explain to me why it can't be both though: That is, Nester being a huge get plus there's depth issues at backer and Asante was a significant miss.

Rivers struggled (but perhaps he improves with experience).

I really didn't pay attention during the bowl game, did Rivers play better compared to his baseline? If he didn't improve after a month of bowl prep, that's troubling.

Tisdale was a true freshman this year and I know Bud was really excited to pick him up . He has a lot of potential so let's pump the breaks on no depth until we see some of these young pups get some another spring training and fall camp under their belt

Some big misses, some big gets. Nonetheless, let's focus on the 2019 season and some big gets that we NEED to get on both sides of the ball from VA in the 2020 class.

Ok folks I decided to dig back into VT's recruiting history and see how the classes stack up with composite 4* and above talent

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2009 - four 4*

2010 - five 4*

2011 - three 4*

2012 - six 4*

2013 - one 5* and two 4*

2014 - four 4*

2015 - four 4*

2016 - one 4*

2017 - five 4*

2018 - seven 4*

2019 - seven 4*

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27 4* and above recruits during 7 years
2016 - 2019 there have been a total of 20 4* recruits over 4 years counting the turnover period towards Fuente and Co. Realistically 3 years to recruit and 19 4* and above and at this rate (extrapolating based on last few years) Fuente and staff will recruit the same amount of 4*s in nearly half the time. 27 4*s in 4 years means almost half 1/3 your scholarship players are 4*s and above. Im ok with the way we are headed

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27 isn't almost half man. That's a stretch

You're right 27 of 85 so 31.7%

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It's clear this staff can't recruit. Not even a single 5*. Shane Beamer and his boxing glove were the key.

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People joke about the glove...but it seems like our RBs have turned the ball over more since Shane left...im just saying

What's important to figure out, and I'm going to dig into it, is how many total blue-chip (4- and 5-star) recruits there are per cycle. I want to know how much of the pie cake Tech's eating per cycle and then see whether or not that's increased or decreased.

This. The thing I want to see in the next cycle is we finally pick up a flashy player like a top rb or wr athlete that can be a big play maker from the start, is it a little high strung of a way to think sure but in order for us to compete eventually with who we want to we need a true game changer

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We are already signing game changers

Gimme a sec... Ill define blue-chip as 94 and above...

2009: 2 - NAT rank 25 - AVG 86.00

2010: 1 - NAT rank 28 - AVG 87.20

2011: 0 - NAT rank 35 - AVG 84.49

2012: 1 - NAT rank 21 - AVG 86.46

2013: 1 - NAT rank 21 - AVG 87.70

2014: 1 - NAT rank 28 - AVG 85.59

2015: 1 - NAT rank 29 - AVG 86.35

2016: 0 - NAT rank 42 - AVG 84.85

2017: 1 - NAT rank 26 - AVG 86.13

2018: 0 - NAT rank 24 - AVG 87.46

2019: 1 - NAT rank 26 - AVG 87.39

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I think it's fair enough to define as whatever the threshold is for the 247Sports Composite. I'm going to crunch the numbers soon-ish.

In my original data collection above I used the composite star count per class

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I don't have anything in front of me (still have to relocate my flash drive after the move), but some thumbrules and correlations regarding 4* & 5* I use:

First Rd Draft picks/yr: 32
Five star recruits/yr: 30
(~1:1 ratio)

Draft picks/yr: ~250
4+5*/yr: ~350
(~5:7 or 7:10 ratio)

That fluctuates a bit, but looking at our total team talent, plus where our class ranks in average recruit rating is a good jumping off point for actual comparisons to other programs.

Also blue chip ratio of other teams in the third link.

https://247sports.com/Season/2018-Football/CollegeTeamTalentComposite/

https://247sports.com/Season/2019-Football/TeamRankings/

https://www.sbnation.com/college-football/2018/8/22/17606048/blue-chip-r...

I get having talent to win championships or get in the college football playoff etc, but these recruiting things just blatantly leave out coaching as being a factor, as if its the recruiting classes that win the championships, not coaches. At the end of the day, the one thing these teams have in common isnt their recruiting numbers...its Nick Saban.

It clearly doesnt take some magic ratio to get INTO the playoff

YEAR TEAM BLUE CHIP RATIO
2014 OREGON 43.7%
2015 MICHIGAN STATE 15.9%
2015 OKLAHOMA 43%
2016 WASHINGTON 24%

Interesting enough:
Mark Helfrich - assistant on a championship contending team
Mark Dantonio - coached under Jim Tressel & Nick Saban - both championship winning coaches
Bob Stoops - coached under Steve Spurrier - a championship winning coach
Chris Petersen

Dabo Swinney - coached under Tommy Bowden who coached under Bobby Bowden, a championship winning coach
Nick Saban - championship winning coach, also coached under Bill Belicheck, a super bowl winning coach
Urban Meyer - championship winning coach, also coached under Lou Holtz, a championship winning coach
Kirby Smart - coached on a championship winning team, also coached under Bobby Bowden and Nick Saban, both championship winnning coaches

So every coach except for Petersen, as far as I can tell, either coached on an elite level staff themselves or coached under a coach who ran an elite level staff.

Recruiting services: its really only recruiting that makes a difference in top level teams

Data:

Yeahhhhhh, its clearly the coaching...

This (and many other articles) provides the real data that recruiting absolutely matters. Coaching matters tremendously as well, and you often need both to win a championship.

At the end of the day, the one thing these teams have in common isnt their recruiting numbers...its Nick Saban.

This is one of those situations where it's not an 'either or.' Nick Saban is the best CFB coach of all time because he's a elite coach, and an elite recruiter. His focus on recruiting has at the top or been best in class for years, and goes much deeper than 'Alabama has more money' or 'they've got a bigger support staff.' They've got that staff bc Saban knows it's value and he and his coaches are constantly thinking about recruiting

It's no coincidence that some of the best recruiters out there - Jimbo, Kirby Smart, Mario Cristobal, Jeremy Pruitt, Lane Kiffin, etc. all worked under Saban.

I mean thats kind of the point though - yes they recruit well but hes an elite coach.

There are handfuls of teams with this 'bluechip' ratio - yet two teams are repetively in the playoffs, and all but one of the coaches who have ever coached in a playoff game have had elite experience, yet just above half have the 'blue-chip' ratio. Recruiting and talen obviously matter, but coaching clearly matters more, the numbers are clear on that.

Its attributing causation to recruiting, when it should be attributed to those teams that have elite level coaching, it just so happens to be, in the majority of those cases they are one in the same.

Recruiting and talen obviously matter, but coaching clearly matters more, the numbers are clear on that

I think that's where some of us disagree. I don't think the numbers are that clear at all. The teams that recruit the best are much more often than not the elite teams. Even the 'outliers' that you posted above that didn't have >50% bluechip ratio, 2 of them were in the 40s.

2018
Bama - 77%
OSU - 76%
USC - 71%
Georgia - 69%
FSU - 67%
LSU - 63%
Auburn - 62%
Clemson - 61%
Michigan, Texas, OU, PSU, and ND were all above 50% as well.

So all the playoff teams were over 50%. Clemson, Bama, and UGA in the 60s. If your argument is 'coaching is what gets you over the hump and gets you a natty,' and cite Texas or USC I may follow, but to get to the dance, you better have more than half of your team high 4/5*

It also doesn't hurt that nick saban is a coach with a reputation of producing first round NFL draft picks

It's a small sample set. But the data is pretty conclusive. And I would bet, I haven't looked, but just from that list - Id wager there are a significant more blue chip ratio teams that ended up with losing record (FSU, ND) than there are coaches with elite experience that coach a team to losing record.

For the playoffs question though, The problem is the data sets overlap, but you when they can be separated coaching out weighs the talent ratio.

Of each of the individual playoff teams:

  • 19 of 20 teams (95%) were coached by a coach with elite level experience
  • 16 of 20 teams (80%) had the blue chip ratio

But of those 16 teams with a blue chip ratio - every one was coached by an elite experienced coach.

Yet, of the 19 teams with elite coaching experience only 16 had the blue chip ratio.

Statistically elite level coaching experience is more significant β€” which makes sense because they would see or orchestrate themselves what it takes to have elite success.

Id wager there are a significant more blue chip ratio teams that ended up with losing record (FSU, ND) than there are coaches with elite experience that coach a team to losing record.

These are two totally different issues, then. There is a difference between underperforming, and recruiting at a level that will get you to the playoffs. Can you recruit well and still lose? Yes, that does happen occasionally. Can you get to the playoffs if you don't recruit at an elite level? Not really.

But of those 16 teams with a blue chip ratio - every one was coached by an elite experienced coach.

I disagree with that statement. Is 'elite level experience' quantified somewhere? I don't think these guys are all elite. Definitely not 95% Kirby Smart has been a HC for 4 seasons now. He recruits at an elite level. It would be very tough to call him an elite X&Os coach if you try to ignore how good of a recruiter he is. Same with Mario Cristobal and Tom Herman.
I also wouldn't call Gus Malzahn an elite coach by any means, James Franklin isn't a strong X&Os guy, Clay Helton will probably be fired. Ed Orgeron and Jim Harbaugh also are somewhat of toss-ups if you're talking guys who are 'elite' coaches. I think it would be tough to argue either.

Sorry, I could see where that could be confusing. Elite level coaching experience wasn't subjective.

Elite level coaching experience from the original post = a coach who either coached a championship team themselves, assisted on a championship team's staff or coached under a coach with championship experience.

Every coach that's played in the playoff but Chris Petersen, as far as I can tell from Petersen's backgroun, had elite level coaching experience.

It clearly doesnt take some magic ratio to get INTO the playoff

But once you get into the playoff, you have to beat two top 4 teams. I'm too lazy to do the research, but I'd wager that every team in the BCS/CFP era to ever beat two year-end top 5 teams in a single season has been above the 50% Blue Chip Ratio.

At the end of the day, the one thing these teams have in common isnt their recruiting numbers...its Nick Saban.

Since recruiting rankings have been somewhat accurate (probably around 2007), every team that won a BCS title has been above the bluechip ratio.

Good coaching is absolutely required to win a Natty. But if you don't pass the bluechip ratio, it doesn't matter how good your coaching is; you don't have the talent to win a Natty.

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So every coach except for Petersen, as far as I can tell, either coached on an elite level staff themselves or coached under a coach who ran an elite level staff.

So you're saying we should fire Fuente and bring in Shane Beamer as HC because he coached under Phillip Fulmer, Frank Beamer, Steve Spurrier, Kirby Smart and Lincoln Riley?

Just because you have a great teacher doesn't mean you're a great student.

It might be useful to look at success rate of signing blue chips we've offered as well. Seeing how many of the total we get might not tell me much if there are a bunch of blue chips in Cali that we didn't pursue.

I mean first off, the southeast is the talent center of college football so we have enough talent around. And secondly the number we offer is irrelevant. Tennessee offers everyone. Clemson is more selective. They both end up with plenty. Our hit rate is irrelevant, only the guys that we end up with matter. If we need to adjust our offer strategy then we should do that. We don't get points for offering less guys.

Start at 6:57, I think CJF is throwing shade at Asante and others who've "flipped" to other schools:

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It didn't read that way to me. I believe he's still just talking about Nester, as Doug was the context both before and after that comment.
Asante didn't flip. He wasn't committed anywhere.

Good point...good video nonetheless; his my way or the highway approach will rub a lot of people wrong, but I truly believe it will leave us with kids that want to be apart of the VT tradition.

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Seems to me that "my way or the highway" is a requirement for any head coach. I don't get that it should be some neon warning sign to any athlete other than the less committed, the more egotistical, the more entitled. Some freedom of spirit is going to be tolerated by pretty much any major coach, as long as it isn't confrontational or insubordinate. They don't pay the man millions to mollycoddle and accommodate, they pay him to produce a decent football team. Yes, he must relate and be sensitive, and no, one size doesn't fit all, but as long as there is a reasonable attempt to accommodate for natural differences in personality, I won't fault him for having a code.

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Thing is, Fu's "code" is clearly different enough from Beamer's "code" that it caused backlash with a select few, hence some of the issues that we ran into this year.

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I'm not sure that's really the case. I think the coaching change + disciplinary issues + change in transfer rules + ubiquity of social media created a situation that spilled into the public view more than it typically does. Fu didn't have issues with the Edmunds brothers, Stroman, Settle, Sam Rogers, Isaiah Ford, Cam Phillips, Ricky Walker, Steven Peoples, Kyle Chung- lots of players considered team leaders who arrived near the end of the Beamer era. Most of the negativity seemed to stem from a select few players (Hill, Reynolds, and Kumah) and two of them had prior disciplinary issues. It certainly wasn't unheard of for players under Beamer to have disciplinary issues but the conditions were very different at that time.

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Towards the end he mentioned that they dont have the staff and support to have a lot of kids on campus at one time so they have to support small groups...how was it that when beamer was here, we were able to get like 50 or 60 kids on campus at one time...i do appreciate the smaller setting and more one on one time, our lack of staff is REALLY hurting us from being able to realize our full potential

Reporters seemed to think he was referring to Kadum and Nester and the idea that if recruits are willing to take additional visits, they aren't truly committed. Fuente has made similar comments about our recruits in the past such as expecting them all to sign in the early signing period and drawing the line in the sand with Capehart.

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Definitely not the right take IMO. I think this has been something consistent Fu has said in regards to our guys taking other visits. He has always felt that if you say you are committed you should not be taking visits to other schools and continue getting recruited, if you want to do that then de-commit.

Something interesting to me that stuck out around the 13 minute mark. He was talking about the quarterbacks and the recent departures and he said that when you have four guys who want to....play, you expect something like that to happen. The pause before he said play makes me think he was going to say compete, but then he changed the word choice. Pretty interesting compared to what we've heard about why the guys are leaving now.

Of course I talk to myself, sometimes I need expert advice.

Well he did reiterate that the QB job was going to be open. So I imagine thats what he would have said if everyone stayed as well.

Unless we have a Tyrod-like player, he's going to say that there's an open competition. I'm sure that if Jerod would have stayed, there would have been an "open competition" for QB

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I don't agree on Jerod. He was clearly going to be the guy. Fuente's mentality is competition, but Jerod would have been the clear starter if he had stayed. He would have been named the starter - doesn't mean he couldn't have lost the spot if he was ridiculous or something.

Fuente knows he wouldn't be fooling anyone if he had a clear starter and I think would prefer that from a leadership-team-building standpoint. He has named starters in previous roles.

When he left there was the narrative that Josh Jackson was pushing him for his spot

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Jerod was very limited as a QB, but he was 10x better than Josh Jackson in our offense.

I'm not saying that I agree... at all. I'm just saying that narrative was pushed

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No chance - Jerod with another year had a chance to be all conference. Fuente knew that and tried to get him to stay.

Personally, I was assuming he was going to use the word "Start" instead of play or some iteration of that phrasing.

Is everything ok at FSU?
They haven't taken a QB in back to back classes, they kicked their Starting QB off the team because his GF fake a DV video, they have had 2 of their worst recruiting classes, their Backup QB is thinking about transferring. They had 10 decommitments including 2 5*s, and Nick Cross is still up in the air. I'm not upset, just curious

Everything is fine Taggart has a "plan"

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lol no and i couldn't be happier

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quite simply, it sounds like a lethal situation

Maybe this is karmic justice for Turntle

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I don't think that not taking a QB will be an issue since VT is having a fire sale on QBs. But yeah, clearly Taggert is having some recruiting issues to go with his on field issues. Something is going on there that isn't good.

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Word is they're looking at a transfer QB from the ACC.

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All I know is that their win percentage for the five years prior to this event was .806 and after this event it has been .471

Edit: Dang it. Mean't to be a reply to the FSU program above.

I just watched Elijah Bowick's senior film (my first time watching any of him) and he very much already has the body of a college player. He's built like a tank and has surprisingly fluid body control, making some pretty spectacular catches despite looking more like a RB than WR. He's our lowest rated WR signee I believe, but he looks ready to get on the field right away.

I know others have beat this drum but think it is criminal the kid isn't a 4-star. Has excellent hand and routes, doesn't have top end speed but can get separation. Will definitely see the field for us this year.

I know he had some pretty big offers. ND, UGA, Tenn, South Carolina, WVU, Wisconsin. Maybe some were un-committable, but it sounds like he is a player.

All were committable late in the process except for maybe UGA, who did push for him to visit in the fall. Dude is a player.

I haven't watched his film, but it sounds like you're describing somebody similar to Anquan Boldin. Is that a fair comparison?

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FTFY.

If you're not sure if my comment warrants a "/s", it probably does.

3 questions
1. Are we getting D Tapp to replace C Grimm
2. Is Tapp bringing Danna DE from CMU w/ him?
3. Do UNC, UMD, etc. talk about Vice the same way we talk about their Ace recruiters?

I stood next to Tapp and Foster when he offered him a potential GA spot at the spring game.

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Where is everyone getting this Tapp stuff from? Saw someone mention it on 247

Why don't we go out and get Nick Cross? He obviously doesn't want to play for FSU, PSU, or UMD

How many Scholarships we got left for the Portal?

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Joffrey, Cersei, Ilyn Payne, the Hound, Jeff Jagodzinski, Paul Johnson, Pat Narduzzi.

Can we start running the damn ball now?

Was this one expected? I do love when we get some guys for the trenches, even if they go with VTU

Say hello to your starting center for 2019 and 2020.

I love guys who want to be Hokies!

Darrisaw, L Smith, Hoffman, Nester, Dzansi as starters?
Jackson, Culver, Hoyt, Hanson, T Smith as line 2?
Tenuta, Harris, Pritchard, Hudson, Kane as line 3?

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Don't think Nester starts right away. I bet Harris is that starter at RG

Yeah, I have a feeling if Nester or Hudson break into the starting lineup, it would be at Smiths spot, not Harris. Harris was going to start at C or G before Hoff joined.

May be too high of expectations for Nester in year 1 but dang that has to be the deepest OL we've had for as long as I've been keeping up with VT football.

Joffrey, Cersei, Ilyn Payne, the Hound, Jeff Jagodzinski, Paul Johnson, Pat Narduzzi.

By my count we only have 1 senior on the team. I think we're in good position to add 2-3 OL next year.

Never Forget #1 Overall Seed UVA 54, #64 UMBC 74

Darrisaw, L Smith, Hoffman, Harris, Dzansi as starters
Jackson, Nester, Hoyt, Culver, T Smith as line 2
Tenuta, Hanson, Pritchard, Kane, Hudson as line 3

Seems like Hudson will start at RT but may quickly flip to OG. Harris may actually be the backup C. Definitely try to RS Hanson and Pritchard.

So Hoyt goes to 2nd team or irrelevant?

"I'm too drunk to taste this chicken" - Colonel Sanders via Ricky Bobby

I think he's ends up 2nd team Center. Don't think he ends up irrelevant. Being able to play C means there's a spot on the roster, he also has the frame to play OG or OT, so I'm curious to see where he gets snaps.

How can he start right away? What did he get a waiver for?

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Coach left due to health reasons and his mother just had a brain tumor removed, so he wants to be closer to her

Yeah, just read that on the Athletic. Statesville is much closer to Blacksburg than wherever Coastal Carolina is located.

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Just outside of Myrtle Beach.

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Holy jesus, that looks fantastic

Bleeding burnt orange and chicago maroon

I miss west end london broil. That was good.

Yes... smothered in the mushroom gravy

Bleeding burnt orange and chicago maroon

This. Is. Awesome. Home.

9-D467231-2557-4-DC7-A8-C8-4-F7252-B9893-E

Tyrod did it Mikey, Tyrod did it!!

Vance says "hi" to moms, but not in a Galen Scott sort of way

Never Forget #1 Overall Seed UVA 54, #64 UMBC 74

Only 15 minutes old,
yet already criminally underlegged

You're the only ones that I can talk to about this, you guys.

This comment aged well.

Tyrod did it Mikey, Tyrod did it!!

This comment aged well was impressively prophetic.

There we go

You're the only ones that I can talk to about this, you guys.

Wow folks. Our third February recruiting thread. It has 300+ posts and most of them are actually related to recruiting news (I know there's a bit of irony in this post).

Is it basketball season yet?

I'd love to get that CMU DE as a transfer. Anything going on with that?

I believe he plans on visiting, but I think if Michigan has space for him, he'll go there.

Yeah Tapp is bringing him when he joins our coaching staff

What connection does Tapp have?

Tapp coaches at CMU, where Danna is currently playing

When is this going to happen? Asking for a friend...

I found TKP after two rails from TOTS then walking back to my apartment and re-watching the 2012 Sugar Bowl. I woke up the next day with this username.

I don't know, just a hunch

That .gif looks familiar...

5'11" / 170lb Cornerback

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-What we do is, if we need that extra push, you know what we do? -Put it up to fully dipped? -Fully dipped. Exactly. It's dork magic.

God's Gift.

You will see this game, this upset and this sign next on ESPN Sportscenter. Virginia Tech 31 Miami 7

I will now refer to this clip of Bucky dancing as God's gif.

I see you pronounce it the right way

"Why gobble gobble chumps asks such good questions, I will never know." - TheFifthFuller

As opposed to God's peanut butter?

Edit: I haven't yet heard of the conclusion to this battle.

Edit2: Don't let this attempt at humor make you think that I prefer the soft 'g'. I'm all about the hard 'g'. ;^)

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The inventor of the .gif says he pronounces if like the peanut butter, but I say he's wrong.

Can they send me a LOI? I don't even need a scholarship, just pay me on Carol Lee

25 dozen. Thanks like, more than 100!!!!

They failed to mention 20 dozen is just Vance Vice's standard order.

Outspoken team cake advocate. Hates terrapins. Resident Macho Man Gif Poster. Distant cousin to Dork Magic. Frequently misspells words.

Math major, right?

Ut Prosim Ad Dei Gloriam

White Delights all day fam.

I'm glad Virginia Tech fans always handle players transferring well. (Checks Trevon Hill and Eric Kumah) Oof!

Te to qb

Something something glass houses.

Every fan base looks horrible judging by Twitter.

Joffrey, Cersei, Ilyn Payne, the Hound, Jeff Jagodzinski, Paul Johnson, Pat Narduzzi.

SEC football is a different level in all aspects

It just means more?

I was watching ESPN2/U on my phone in the background for signing day and the poor guy pretty much had to give a whole speech to soften the blow before not picking LSU at his signing day ceremony. Basically reminding everyone that he is a human with agency who has to make a decision that is best for he, his family, and his goals. It was terrible thinking about how many people were furious at him for leaving the state at his own school, not to mention Louisiana at large. That said, it wasn't like they booed him, and plenty of people clapped his decision. It was just sad that he felt the need to preface his commitment with a speech like.

Reminds me of when Landon Collins committed to Bama and his mom didn't even smile and said "Geaux Tigers" when asked to comment.

I have several friends who are LSU fans and know they aren't all bad apples, but it's still sad to see stuff like that on what's supposed to be a big day for them.

I was at Lane for the LSU game in '02 and by chance, was sitting by an older LSU couple. They were cheering on the Tigers with all their heart, up until it was obvious the game was over and then..... I won't repeat the stuff they said to me about their own players. I was absolutely disgusted.

It's difficult to not think of that whenever I think of LSU. And I'm not surprised to read those comments.

But I guess all schools have their 'class acts'.

To be fair I've heard plenty of our fans trashing our players while at a game. It's never wise to judge an entire fan base by just a few people.

"For those who have passed, for those to come, reach for excellence."

all I remember from that game is, it was hot as hell!

"Take care of the little things and the big things will come."

eh.... every fan base has their sour grapes

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Any news out of the Junior Day this past weekend? Appeared to be a ton of recruits there based on twitter activity

VT '17

They all loved Virginia Tech and last I heard were just trying to decide whether to announce en masse over the weekend or to space out commitments one at a time until NSD. I guess they must have chosen the later....

Kumah just retweeted this:

IMHO, I think he's unfairly getting lumped in with Hill's douchebaggery. Obviously him leaving isn't ideal but I think you juxapose his actions with Hill, the vitriol from the worst Hokies is undeserved.

Kumah exited the portal in Blacksburg? He's coming back home?

Haha, unfortunately no.

I wonder how Fuente would respond if Kumah did OVs at Penn State and Notre Dame and decided he wanted to come back to Blacksburg.

Rumor has it that Fuente met with the guys in the portal and said pull out or your spot is gone. Clease came back and the rest said bye. Can't vouch for its credibility but it sure sounds like something Fuente would do.

As he should. Commitment is big with Fuente and he needs to figure out his team, how many recruits he can add, and how to add players through the portal.

If you have a lot of guys in the portal, you can't really hold their spots, "just in case".

Being in the portal does say something about your commitment to the team.

I think we ought to have a Tech Players in the Portal thread. Keep track of schools they are looking at, visiting, etc. I for one am very curious as to where a guy like Hendon Hooker would be going. You are #4 on a QB depth chart, have rarely seen the field, why would a coach at a P5 school (except maybe FSU which is down to one QB and desperate) even be interested? Just what level would he be looking at to try to get playing time?

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...it sure sounds like something Fuente would do.

Tajh Capeheart can confirm.

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It sounds like something any coach managing positional needs and scholarship limits would and should do.

Wiles mentioned at the Hokie Club recruiting night in Charlotte that they would review kids wanting to come back on a case by case basis and there wouldn't be any "rule" by the staff on how they'd handle it. I'm not saying that to try and appear contradictory, just adding more information. He also said in his opinion that a lot of kids are going to be disappointed with how the transfer portal shakes out for them. He gets the impression kids are viewing it as their change at a second recruitment process and the expectation things are always going to be better is going to leave a lot of folks realizing the grass isn't often greener elsewhere.

It's still grass

Plus, the grass is normally not green anywhere this time of year... Just sayin'

*Cough Cough* Florida *Cough Cough*

Yea but the amount of New Yorkers that sprout up there this time of the year completely offsets that.

You will see this game, this upset and this sign next on ESPN Sportscenter. Virginia Tech 31 Miami 7

Don't get me wrong. Florida Man is the craziest person you'll meet. Nice scenery though

We have good depth at WR. I'd gladly see Kumah go if it means Danna coming back.

JJ for Burmeister
Cunningham for Hoffman
Kumah for Danna

I'll take those swaps.

That would be awesome! I just saw his block on Keene's screen pass in another thread...he brings it...wish him the best, whereever he goes...

Pretty solid offer list, might see him rise up the rankings this season

Come to Blacksburg and see what the Hokie Pokie is really all about

The kids love Mo Kaba

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