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Dammit French, what have you done. It was all fun and games for a while but now it's actually catching on. We must put an end to this insolence before it gets too far!

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I'll admit that a lot of those sandwiches look tasty. But do you know how to make them even tastier?

This chef is both a monster and a genius

So basically he's a Monster Genius.

I think he's a Muenster Genius

I don't think there has to be cheese to make a good sand which, but it adds depth of flavor. I so agree that having something crunchy, sweet, and savory should be requirements for any decent sand which, but these are often neglected. Sigh.

Whatever. It was one bad year.

Seasonal Brew means High ABV for football season and standard the rest of the year.

After seeing the title, I expected something about pie vs cake.

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New thread! New thread!

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So much this ^^^^^ and #TEAMCHEESE

#1 seed Birthday Cake is almost as overrated as #1 seed UVA. Seriously the worst type of cake.

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But birthday cake actually made it out of the first round............

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Pound cake as a 9 seed is just absurd. Heard they're protesting and playing in the NIT against cookies.

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My wife's French Silk pie laughs at your 10 seed.
French Silk Perfection"

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That is a seriously beautiful work of culinary art. You are a lucky person who chose their spouse quite well. Kudos. Now, where is it you live, exactly?

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And is your wife single?

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"If Fu goes to 2 acc champ games in 4 years, I will never criticize him again." - dcwilson

And is it ok that I get after her pie?

Much to the dismay of many, I have not figured out a way to clone her, so no.

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Well, I'm lucky enough to have a good wife. She don't make pies like that, though.

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I will pass your compliments on to the chef. I have no good explanation as to why I don't weigh 300 lbs., other than the fact that my wife ends up giving a lot of what she bakes away. Darn it.

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Your wife bakes!? Address please.

"Hey Bud, you wont have to hold the opponent to 17 points anymore."

Birthday Cake and Wedding Cake getting their own lines shows the lack of good cakes. Birthday and wedding cake are usually made up of the other types of cake in the bracket. Also putting Ice Cream cake in the bracket [at a two seed!!!] shows the clear inferiority of cake since the supposed second best cake is not even cake, but another desert put into the shape of a cake.

Pumpkin being a 4 seed while sweet potato pie is a 14 is ridiculous. Looking at their resumes blind shows they are essentially the same, pumpkin clearly benefitting from a nostalgia bounce.

Whatever. It was one bad year.

Seasonal Brew means High ABV for football season and standard the rest of the year.

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There is nothing in the world like Thursday night in Blacksburg!

How the FUCK are you a sandwich expert and can with any decency in your soul tell people they should not put cheese on there? That's not a sandwich expert that's a sandwich ASS.

ESPN. The coverage is excellent, you'd be surprised at how much you can pick up.

Can we also talk about that Cheese Whiz and Cheese are not the same thing? And a steak and cheese deserves provolone. Sorry not sorry.

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I don't see anything to be sorry about here anyway.

No, I *don't* want to go to the SEC. Why do you ask?

We don't love dem Hoos.

Sure a cheese steak or steak and cheese or whatever you want to call it deserves provolone. If you want to call it a Philly Cheesesteak it needs cheese whiz.

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"If Fu goes to 2 acc champ games in 4 years, I will never criticize him again." - dcwilson

mmm... Philly Whizsteak.

Exactly my point. And a Philly Cheese steak is inferior to a steak and cheese with provolone.

ESPN. The coverage is excellent, you'd be surprised at how much you can pick up.

I respect your opinion but its wrong.

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"If Fu goes to 2 acc champ games in 4 years, I will never criticize him again." - dcwilson

Just saying from experience.

Philly cheesesteak with wiz is a lot better when very drunk. Just saying....

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This is definitely a true statement as is most things with cheese sauce.

And for the record I did not say a Philly wasn't good. I would eat one right now. I just said it was inferior to a good steak and cheese with real cheese.

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what about the fact that you can get philly cheese steaks in philadelphia that have provolone instead of wiz?

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That's why they are called Steak and Cheese subs.

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no, they really aren't.

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^
Born there and spent some formative years there. Got most of my family there. We encounter this regularly. Cheeze whiz is not a requirement, it s relatively new development.
Back when the Hoagie was developed, there wasn't such a thing as cheese whiz.

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Exactly, and you know it's called a hoagie and not a sub.

"Why gobble gobble chumps asks such good questions, I will never know." - TheFifthFuller

A sub is a kind of boat that sinks and is full of seamen.

A Hoagie is good food.

This is going to be great for the ACC.

NOBODY in Philadelphia calls it a "Philly cheesesteak." It's just a cheese steak. There are no requirements for it to have cheese wiz.

I am sorry but I have to disagree with you. Every person I know from Philly calls it a Philly, and then proceeds to tell you that it is not an actual PHILLY unless it has cheeze whizz on it.

ESPN. The coverage is excellent, you'd be surprised at how much you can pick up.

Yeah I have a handful of family from Philly and know of a handful of others from Philly. Every single one of them makes this distinction.

Unless there is a division within Philly I'm unaware of (completely possible I haven't even been there for 5 years)

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"If Fu goes to 2 acc champ games in 4 years, I will never criticize him again." - dcwilson

So I am not from Philly, nor have I ever been in Philly, but I definitely use the chicken philly designation for a cheese steak like sandwich that has chicken instead of steak.

Agreed - No Cheez Wiz. I grew up in the Philly area, and the famous wiz places are the worst cheesesteaks in the area. It ranks like this:

1. Any mom and pop in the Philadelphia area, to include suburbs and down to Wilmington.
2. The very best in Northern Virginia (I only know one decent one, but would be thrilled to learn of more)
3. Pat's and Geno's
4. The rest of the world (that I've tried)

I can be argued into switching 3 and 4 on sheer disappointment levels.

And please, steak and cheese is not a cheesesteak. Steak and cheese is always substandard and usually has verboten ingredients like lettuce and tomato.

Are those chili cheese dogs in OP's pic?

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Authentic cheese steaks which are supposed to come with Wiz

Yeah, that's a no from me. Gotta be provolone.

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Provolone is a must, no Whiz. Also, those seem a little...tame to me. Anybody else think these should have fried peppers and onions and maybe some mushrooms?

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....but he's a 'sandwich expert's.....

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Mushrooms and grilled onions are acceptable but not preferred. Peppers ... no.

This may only be the #4 top Great Debate of TKP

1. Cake/Pie
2. Watson/Stone/Roberts
3. Foster/Hurricane Foster
4. Cheese/No Cheese

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Foster/Hurricane Foster.....? I don't know this one.

Also, I think we should continue to delve into the Watson/Stone/Roberts debate. We need to resolve this via pictures and .gifs

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Kate Beckinsale would like a word.....

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I'll allow it

Lol comparing Watson vs Stone/Roberts is like comparing Mike Vick vs Noel/Motley for greatest tech QB ever.

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Leg for the sentiment behind this comment, but I'm just going to go ahead and pretend you didn't put Grant Noel on the same level as Motley.

If you play it, they will win.

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Both were equally painful for me to watch and Noel never stood a chance being the guy to follow Vick. I stand by my statement.

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If you truly think it was as painful to watch Motley as it was Noel, I... uh... I have no words.

If you play it, they will win.

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If he replaced Dave Meyer with Motley this would be a better comparison

Noel went 8-4 as a starter in 2001 and was 146/254 for 1826 yards and 16 TDs. The offense itself was incredibly boring, but welcome to college football in 2001 when your running back is Kevin Jones. Motley had Ford, Hodges, Phillips, and Malleck and lost to bad ECU, Pitt, and Miami teams. He was struggling enough that we were willing to put a one armed Brewer in for him in the middle of that Miami game. So yea, sticking to my guns here.

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I agree with the sentiments expressed above that someone who claims you should NEVER put cheese on a sandwich is clearly NOT a sandwich expert.

By the way, the stuff they're showing being squirt onto a sandwich isn't even cheese, so they're clearly putting their thumb on the scale and presenting a misleading argument.

In the future, every nimrod will be an an internet expert on something for 15 minutes.

Well, at least every nimrod other than the sandwich "expert" who doesn't think cheese belongs on a sandwich. That guy stumbled out of the gate.

Since I'll be visiting the UK this summer, I've got an idea to go to this Brit's shop, order a sandwich, have him/them make it, then when it comes time to pay for it, request cheese, & then decide not to buy it.

A) British, so his tastes in food dont count
B) He thinks mayo is ok, but not cheese? WTF.

British? Oh, then he boils his sandwich and spells it thus - "Sand Which"

This is going to be great for the ACC.

Cheese is the worst. Slice some leftover ribeye real thin, put some LTM on some good bread, and chow down. No cheese needed.

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You make a compelling case, but a little melted provolone would make that even better.

Guess you're not a fan of cheesesteaks either..boy are you missing out

sounds tasty - know how to make it tastier?

add cheese!

Some sandwiches that are really damn good have to have cheese on them. Philly Chee, grilled cheese, any decent combo sub, ham and swiss, Reubens for goodness' sake. Some don't have to have it but it goes well enough with the meat and bread, like a bologna and cheese, or country ham and egg, or a hamburger. Some, though, never need cheese and never will. BBQ is a good example. Junk it up with your slaw if you must or if your meat ain't good enough, but you don't put cheese on BBQ in a civilized world. I would never put cheese on a hot dog, or a prime rib sandwich with au jus either.
As for British food, they do some things pretty well, I did like me a steak and kidney pie every day with tea when I was in London, and had some magnificent roast beef and the best bangers I've ever tasted. Well, now I'm starving.

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Have you ever tried a BBQ sammich with good cheese on it? I thought it was sacrelige at first, but then I tried it. Oh, dear God, was it good. Forget about that nasty slaw, but yes please on a good slice of cheese.

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Britian. The center of the culinary universe...said no one, ever.

Nor would I...ever. But I do give food credit where it's due.

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Indian food was a step up for them.

Who would have thought to put spices, other than salt, into food!

Chicken Tikka masala is the best culinary contribution that Britain had given the world

Don't @ me

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I have a friend that said the reason the British took over the world was because they couldn't find any good food at home...

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This is the same nation that thinks baked beans are a breakfast dish and doesn't even know what biscuits and gravy are.

While, yes, there are some sandwiches which should never get cheese (the PB&J for example), that doesn't make the no-cheese argument valid for all sandwiches.

I believe what they call biscuits are actually cookies. I would not want gravy on my cookies. Sounds like something Canadians would do though.

My exhaustive study of British cooking (fueled by Mrs theMattBoard's binges on Netflix) has convinced me that there is no British analog for the southern biscuit or much in the way of gravy as we know it either.

Those poor souls.

There are very few sandwiches that cheese makes better. Reuben being one of them. The rest the cheese hides the real point of the sandwich the meat. It's like ordering a steak and covering it in cheese.

Wet stuff on the red stuff.

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While I agree, cheese can take away from some sandwiches, I do not agree with your "only a few" premise:

  • meatball sub
  • italian
  • grilled cheese
  • any and all melts
  • burgers
  • Reuben
  • Club
  • Cuban
  • Muffaletta
  • Most deli ham/turkey

All are either defined by cheese or enhanced by cheese.

meatball sub
italian
grilled cheese (kids food)
any and all melts
Burgers
Reuben
Club
Cuban
Muffaletta (don't know what this is)
Most deli ham/turkey

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Muffaletta (don't know what this is)

Bro you gotta get down on this.

ESPN. The coverage is excellent, you'd be surprised at how much you can pick up.

Nothing on there looks appetizing.

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ESPN. The coverage is excellent, you'd be surprised at how much you can pick up.

marinated olive salad, salami, ham, Swiss cheese, provolone, and mortadella

Why do I want salad of Shudders olives on a sandwich?

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While I'm not a huge fan of olives in general, when I lived in Nawlins, I ended up having a few and it's actually a very good sandwich.

I'll take a Cuban sandwich over a Muffuletta any day, though.

Because if you don't like Olives you are wrong.

ESPN. The coverage is excellent, you'd be surprised at how much you can pick up.

Then I don't wanna be right. Only thing olives are good for is oil & martinis 🍸

No visit to Jason's Deli is complete without a muffaletta!

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grilled cheese (kids food)
Muffaletta (don't know what this is)

I don't know if I can take your pleas for Hokie Club fundraising seriously anymore, you uncultured swine

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Give me a ribeye sandwich any day ( not sliced steak either).
A good burger with no cheese to cover up a poor cook.

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There's a reason the song is "Cheeseburger in Paradise", and not "Plain Burger in Paradise". It's because even a great burger is better with cheese on it.

Lettuce, mustard, never ketchup, onion are main add on to burgers, acceptable but not required sliced avocado, mayo, bacon

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Wrong again. All a really good hamburger requires is a good fresh grilled bun, a perfectly sizzled quality beef patty and just a little ketchup. Mayo? Really? Ruin it, why don't ya.

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ketchup? No. A nice slice of lightly salted tomato, maybe.

This is going to be great for the ACC.

With all due respect to a nice slice of salted tomato, but too much water. Ketchup is a much more complicated food with salt and sugar and all kind of flavor that nice slice only hints at. It's the osso bucco of tomato.

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Did you just put bacon and avocado on the same level?

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No bacon is superior but a good burger doesn't require bacon.

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I have never understood the ribeye sandwich. It takes a perfectly good ribeye and just makes it more difficult to eat. Does it even add additional ingredients?

It defeats the purpose of sandwiching to begin with. Just give me the ribeye with a fork and knife.

It allows it to be carried around.

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Ribeye on the bone for the win!

Gotham steak from the Old Homestead Steakhouse in NYC. Oh God, so good. Shaved 5 years off my life but it was worth it.

It's a lunch thing. Not a big cut, but if the roll is a really good one, and the au jus is hot and the meat is properly cooked, add a bit of horseradish and a couple of fries with a chilly beverage and a solid lunch has been had.

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Disagree all you want. Nobody in Philadelphia calls it that. It's a surefire way to put yourself as a non-native and/or get punched in the face.

Source: lived here all my life until now.

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I've gotten through life just fine, without cheese on anything.

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Some people go through life without beer or chocolate too, but I wouldn't want to be them.

Really? People actually do this? Are they too poor? Are they forced? Are they nuts?

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This has been a fun read this morning.
As far as the remarks about the British food go - my Mom is a WWII bride from England and her cooking is the best! However, most of what she cooked for us came out of the background of the east coast of North Carolina where my Dad was from. Her favorite meal from the UK is steak and kidney pie, something that does not feed my soul. Neither does mashie peas nor, the further north offerings of Scottish "food" items like haggis (which I think is ground oatmeal and suet).
I do like fish and chips, bangers and mash, and full English breakfasts (eggs, a rasher of bacon, toast and English marmalade - the best!). English afternoon teas can be like Hobbit second breakfasts are delightfully indulgent.

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I think the Brits get a bad rap on chow, but it's their own fault to a large extent. I will admit that my one week in London doesn't give me a leg up on commenting about the cuisine, but I really, really loved those S&K pies with that pm tea, and I ain't a tea guy, and English bangers are definitely the tits, as was the full Brit breakfast thing. Keeping in mind that I was in the Army in Germany at the time and the food in London beat the ever lovin' crap out of the shit they served us in the chow hall, but so did almost any food anywhere. Best food I ever ate in Germany, or Amsterdam for that matter, was Chinese food, but the best I had in England was quintessentially British. Loved the pubs, also. But Americans love to knock food that ain't American, so I'm not surprised at the snarks above.

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