ESPN Making it Official - Hokies Have Easiest Schedule

While not unexpected, it still isn't a great look.

*Sad Trombone*

Let's go out and win 'em all!

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Couldn't be a better year for this to be the case.

It's only a bad look if we don't win 10 games

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Not sure how serious of a post was this but honestly... its not far from the truth.

How many times at or near the end of the year has a team been undefeated or something of the likes of 9-1/10-1 and people scream "BUT LOOK AT THEIR SCHEDULE, THEY HAVEN'T PLAYED ANYBODY!!!" And some commentators and pundits will say, "you are only as good as their record" or "they have beat all their competition, it's hard not to reward them"... happens every year.

Not justifying our schedule because when I look at it every time, this is my reaction...

having said that though...

Bleeding burnt orange and chicago maroon

***PAAAAAAWLLLL*

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Virginia Tech avoids both Clemson and Florida State in the conference.

The person who wrote this sentence hasn't seen a Florida State game since 2016.

The Orange and Maroon you see, that's fighting on to victory.

I can't believe people still write this nonsense.. MORONS... the ACC split into divisions in 20 Fucking Five... No shit we don't play Clemson and FSU every year because they are not in our fucking division. No fucking kidding. fo fuck sake these morons. We play louisville once every 50 fucking years apparently.. so we "AVOIDED" Lamar fucking jackson too. OUR CONFERENCE HAS TWO FUCKING DIVISIONS ASSHOLES.

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You mean the team we beat on Labor day last year? ๐Ÿค”

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Clearly, the swag sway got the writer all kinds of confused before the game

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You know what?

I'll take the wins.

If there were ever a year when I wanted an easy schedule, it's THIS one.

Schedule strength matters for two scenarios:

1) If you're an elite team. If you're going to be in the CFP discussion schedule strength can matter, especially if you lose a game or two. However, I would argue that SOR is now being used primarily for CFP discussion. In this scenario you should be judged an SOS elite team methodology to draw the most useful or relevant conclusions.

2) Will you make a bowl game? This is the case for a team like South Carolina who is talented enough to be a bowl team, but genuinely has an absurdly tough schedule. They have lots of near-guaranteed losses, and if they drop 1-2 "wtf" type games (like we do almost every year) they might miss a bowl game despite being probably bowl quality talent-wise.

A tangential reason that it matters is less related to how "difficult" your overall schedule is, but having big or meaningful games on your schedule is important to drive up interest and ticket sales. We've had some pretty lackluster home schedules in recent years, largely due to our conference not featuring many talented or historically relevant teams. It matters for recruiting too. If you go to Florida, for example, you may never play for a national championship because of Georgia and Alabama being in your way, but you will get to play in major rivalry games in huge stadiums, crossover games with LSU/Alabama/A&M/Auburn popping up periodically, and the World's Largest Outdoor Cocktail party guaranteed every year. That's a pretty sweet deal that can be guaranteed to a recruit in advance. Florida won't have make the CFP to play in big games every season, because they exist on the schedule every year and their rivalries are fierce. Fla-FSU, Fla-Tenn, Fla-Georgia are games that are going to be a big deal every year because of the regional/historical intensity of those rivalries, even if the teams are down. Much different than trying to sell kids on playing away games in front of 20k fans at Kenan Memorial or Duke, ...or Wake Forest, ...or BC, ...and Pitt, you get the picture.

We win 9-10 games, the SOS doesn't matter. We are in a good bowl.
And we aren't playing for a Natty this year, so it's not like it will be tight.

Plus, this is the PRESEASON strength of schedule. Who knows where it will end up at the end of the season!!

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I agree, I'm pointing out why SOS is not particularly relevant to us (or the vast majority of CFB teams) this season.

I'd rather win more games than lose them.

I don't expect our end of season SOS to be much different, but once again, it is not a going concern for me.

Even if we are in the playoffs discussion, we'd have beaten Clemson at that point and made our SOS much better in the process.

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I would think taking care of business would help program interest and ticket sales too. Regardless of schedule, if we get ranked, the fanbase will get engaged if we have a record like 5-0 or 6-1 or 8-2, etc etc

I would think if we are 9-2 and roll into cville and beat uva for a 16th straight time to get our 10th win, there would be very good energy around the program and fanbase despite a super weak schedule

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Agree 100 percent...especially the lolUVA part as this is supposedly their breakout year and bronco being the media darling...we come in to their house with 9 wins and make it 16 straight...no complaints from here man๐Ÿ‘Š๐Ÿป

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Just win the f'n games. After last year, I'm glad we have an easy slate, but also after last year, it doesn't mean we're going to avoid some bad losses.

This should be an easy path to 10 wins. It would be unacceptable to not have bowl eligibility wrapped up by the end of the Wake Forest game in early November.

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Don't sleep on WF...that could be a trap game

Something, something.... Tied at 0-0

You will see this game, this upset and this sign next on ESPN Sportscenter. Virginia Tech 31 Miami 7

LOL. "Wake used slide protection that we hadn't seen"... lolol what a disaster that game was. Total incompetence

Of course WE didn't see it...but Shane saw it...*ducks*

...and we had their playbook.

We put the K in Kwality

This is one of the major reasons I'm surprised when people blame Fuente for lowering the profile of the program. That game was a completely and utter embarrassment, especially on the offensive side of the ball. And while I understand that people expected more from Fuente offenses, we haven't had offensive showings anywhere close to that pathetic. We absolutely need to see improvement from last year and I understand some growing uncertainty about Fuente, but considering last year's defense was the worst it's been over the course of the bowl streak, I'm willing to see if Foster can get it sorted out (I'm cool with Fuente taking this approach also). If that doesn't happen, then I expect Fuente to start making really tough decisions and being held fully accountable for them.

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The offense is "better" yes, I will give you that. At times- like the QB draws Corny calls on 3rd and 7 are no better than Stiney/Lefty era- and that is a little frustrating. Fuente's offense certainly sets up plays better than the past and is less risk averse, which leads to a better more comprehensive passing game.

That game was a completely and utter embarrassment, especially on the offensive side of the ball.

What's interesting is if opposing fans talk trash about VT losses, I never hear about Wake. I always hear JMU and ODU.

I think we are more cognizant of it as VT fans than anyone else.

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I see the 0-0 \o/ meme get thrown around a lot

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Yeah. Virginia people talk about JMU and ODU. Nationally the 0-0 game and Sandman are what we're famous for. Sadly, beating OSU didn't hang around in the collective consciousness.

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I haven't but that's probably a good thing. I hear enough nonsense from my UVA friends and family and others.

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I was AT the 0-0 game at Wake-by far the most boring game I've ever attended in person -and the "deadest crowd". The ODU game last year-while a terrible result was at least an exciting back and forth game for 95% of it. And the crowd was engaged.

From the 2018 VT-uva game-"This is when LEGENDS are made!"

I have a non-VT friend that still bitches about this because he was on the last day of a cruise and that was the only game on while the ship was coming into port and docking.

Whatever. It was one bad year.

Seasonal Brew means High ABV for football season and standard the rest of the year.

That's what he gets for going on a cruise....

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They are correct, and I am going to virtually neck punch the head in the sand apologists on here if we finish 7-6 because we were just "young" or "we didn't know x player was a drug dealer going into the year" or "injuries"... spare me. this schedule is a joke for VT football.

If ever there was a season for you to go ham on anyone willing to put lipstick on what would be a very robust pig, this is the schedule on which to do it.

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I'd wager that all of the "head in the sand apologists" change their tune if we finish 7-6. There's literally no more excuses next season and most optimists on these boards feel that way.

7-6 with this schedule should be cause for a regime change.

I know I'll get kickback about how you can't cut bait that early, but 7-6 with the easiest schedule in the country, off a 6-7 year and a recruiting class which may end up in the 50s will take any shine left on the program completely off.

We need to recruit better and garner donations. Neither of those is going to be possible if we follow up last season, and these last 2 off-seasons (the total mess last year, recruiting this year) with another flop of a season. You can't bury the program.

I'm not so sure its automatic.

Here are the buyout numbers in Fuente's contract, with the number first being if Virginia Tech were to fire Fuente without cause. The second number is the buyout on Fuente's contract if he were to leave Virginia Tech on his own accord.

2019: $15 million, $3 million

2020: $12.5 million, $1 million

2021: $10 million, $750,000

2022: $7.5 million, $500,000

2023: $5 million, $500,000

2024: $2 million, zero

The buyout figures, on both sides, decrease on Dec. 15 of each year.

LINK

(Crossing out 2019 as I can't see them firing him before 12/15/19 without cause)

Whit has shown he's willing to spend (he actually left Cinci with quite a bit of debt) but even a 6-7 win season may not be enough to get him to pony up $12.5M + whatever he'd have to pay a new coach.

I'm still of the mind that they'd wait, even if this year is disastrous, to see if QP can rescue the program.

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Another loss to ODU, and unless he is in a NY6 bowl Fuente will be sent packing. That game is the most important game for this staff next year.

I'm not sure its that black and white. Nor do I necessarily want it to be.

If Whit decides Fuente has to go, I hope he only does it if he has a great backup plan...which will be increasingly difficult to come by if we have a 6-7 win season with the likely ripple effect on recruiting.

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I'm pretty confident, based on talking to people I trust and are influential boosters, that if we lose to ODU again, there will need to be something MAJOR to make big donors forget that.... like winning the 12 other games and playing in the orange bowl, major for that loss not to cost him his job. In other words, losses to ODU, ND, Miami, BC, UVA and a 4th place coastal finish, he's done.

I mean I won't claim to have access to any influential boosters but I've never gotten the impression that Tech has a lot of big money families who are really pulling the strings in the way that some of the blue blood programs do. I'm sure the movers and shakers exist, and have pull but I'm not sure how beholden Whit is to them.

My point remains: Whit should only fire Fuente if he has a good replacement, and that won't (and shouldn't IMO) be Bud Foster. If this year is a 6-7 win season the seat will be in fuego but I'm not sure they're going to want to drop that big of a buyout until we're *sure* that QP can't turn things around the following year.

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I don't want to see Fuente fired, and I hear what you are saying, but it's impossible to recruit the level of talent needed to compete for ACC titles and fill Lane stadium, when Dabo and Tim Brewster tell families that your program can't beat ODU. It's impossible, and Whit gets this. There is a coach out there VT can hire, that can beat ODU easily every time he plays them for the foreseeable future.

TBH I think it's essentially impossible for us to beat Dabo (based solely on their success) and Brewster (because he's one of the best bagmen in the game) even if we *do* beat ODU.

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If you don't want to see Fuente fired, why do you bring it up all the time, and try to come up with a variety of litmus tests that you won't tolerate if he fails to pass?

So we have the easiest schedule according to ESPN. I'm really kind of OK with that, and not really interested into converting that into some kind of pass/fail test for our coaching staff.

We can have a one-loss year, but if that single loss is as a 14-point favorite then by god Fuente has GOT TO GO

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it's impossible to recruit the level of talent needed to compete for ACC titles and fill Lane stadium, when Dabo and Tim Brewster tell families that your program can't beat ODU

Wouldn't this be a major issue for Brewster and UNC then?

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Because their fossil of a coach can recruit better than our up-and-comer

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OK. That really doesn't have anything to do with losing to bad G5 teams affecting recruiting though. Brown was always a better recruiter than a coach and UNC has generally recruited better than VT. If we beat ODU this year, we aren't going to magically outrecruit Clemson.

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2008: VT-18 UNC-30
2009: VT-25 UNC-12
2010: VT-28 UNC-23
2011: VT-35 UNC-18 (UVA-23)
2012: VT-21 UNC-41
2013: VT-21 UNC-28
2014: VT-28 UNC-30
2015: VT-29 UNC-28
2016: VT-42 UNC-32
2017: VT-26 UNC-28
2018: VT-24 UNC-20
2019: VT-26 UNC-32
2020:VT-89 UNC-14

From 2008 to 2019 the score is 6-6. I wouldn't say UNC generally recruits better than us.

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This is getting farther and farther from my original point. Does losing to bad G5 teams uniquely affect VT recruiting more than other P5 teams? Because other P5 teams have lost to bad G5 teams too.

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No other P5 team lost to ODU as 27 point favorites. No other P5 team has a chance to lose to them back to back. that's my point. This is fodder gold for Brewster, Mack Brown, Dabo, Taggart, etc. for VT to elevate the program, we need more 4 star players... we don't need 3 star players.

Well yeah, losing back to back games to ODU would be extremely bad for the program. I'm not sure if it would be worse because of what it says about the current state of the team or the impact on future recruiting but I digress. My point was that a program can have a bad loss without being forever doomed in recruiting. Recruiting is a much more nuanced and complicated process than it is often made out to be.

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Idk but Fuente lost to ODU and Mack has won a national championship. That's the perception.

Recruit Prosim

If the up-and-comer returns to winning games, like he should, I think the perception will be pretty good.

I can't really speak for this year, but the last three classes have been solid. Certainly warrants a bigger perspective.

Idk. All we can do is wait and see I guess

Recruit Prosim

Amongst whom? Have you spoken with recruits who have said this? You could cherry-pick to create that perception but it's certainly a flawed one relying on using the best possible view of Mack and worst possible view of Fuente.

One could easily say, "Mack was canned and left a blue blood program in shambles resulting in him being stuck in a broadcasting booth for 5 years- unwanted and aging beyond the historical prime for head coaches- while an up-and-coming Justin Fuente turned around a historically poor Memphis program and took home ACC coach of the year."

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Amongst whom?

The kids that aren't coming to play for VT resulting in us having a class currently ranked in the 80s?

Recruit Prosim

I'm sure you are aware that you're deflecting and changing the subject with every post. As a reminder though you were talking about Mack Brown recruiting against Fuente. Other than Roseman-Sinclair, who literally had Dre Bly as his high school position coach two years ago and played with Bly's sons, I don't see another highly rated UNC commit that VT was heavily pursuing. Perhaps you would care to share information to the contrary since you are so comfortable speaking on the thoughts of current high school football recruits.

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No you changed the subject. The original position that I responded to had to do with being able to recruit despite a losing season and losing to bad schools. I never mentioned anything about them going head to head over specific recruits. Mack more easily overcame UNC being blown out by ECU than we overcame the perception of losing to ODU. Part of that is Mack is a better recruiter. Part of that is that they cleaned their house and Mack wasn't the coach that lost to a G5 school.

That said, I think I know where Lambert is going to go, and it's neither of these teams, but if it did come down to these 2 teams, he would pick UNC over VT.

On top of that, if you think Fuente could recruit specific recruits over UNC, why don't we flip some of their kids? Why did NC2VT die this cycle?

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with the likely ripple effect on recruiting.

Yes cutting bait on a coach who would have potentially gone 7-6 with the easiest schedule in the country for a program that expects to be competing for at least conference championships annually would be absolutely devastating to our... *checks rankings*... 89th best class in the country

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I'm confused. You think Fuente should have already been fired and/or you think we are going to go 7-6 this season? If so then that's your prerogative, but in my opinion it is ludicrous to mention a hypothetical scenario and then apply hindsight to that hypothetical and pretend that it's the current reality.

Seriously, everyone that reads TKP understands that this recruiting class is really bad right now. If that's what you want to revisit, then just say that and we can discuss it for the umpteenth time without disguising it behind some sort of convoluted hypothetical.

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Neither

I'm saying in the hypothetical situation where we go 7-6 on the season with this kind of schedule, I don't think saving the current recruiting class is going to be at the forefront of reasons to keep this staff around.

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And all I'm saying is that it would be foolish to fire Fuente simply because he doesn't hit a certain number of wins and/or loses to ODU. There are a lot of factors in place and recruiting is one of them.

What if Whit doesn't feel like there's an acceptable replacement for Fuente? I'm not sold on Fuente and if you made me commit to him either being our long term coach or getting the boot within the next two years I'd put money on him getting a pink slip...but I don't want Whit to be rash about it.

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it would be foolish to fire Fuente simply because he doesn't hit a certain number of wins

Wins are no longer an appropriate way to gauge a coaches success?

Ws are all that matter at this point. We've had plenty of time for excuses, everyone deals with youth, transfers, early NFL entrants, injuries, etc. None of these are challenges specific to VT. It's time to put up. If Fuente can't prove he's able to recruit or win at this level or in-line with VT expectations, what are we hanging on to?

I'm not defending Fuente.

I expect him to be fired the year after next, which I won't be sad about, because I don't think he's the answer.

But if we don't have a quality replacement I'd rather not show him the door, give up a boatload of cash we don't really have and replace him with someone who won't be any better.

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I competely agree with it stated that way. I thought you were trying to say we should consider firing Fuente because this recruiting class is currently low rated and there's a chance we could go 7-6. Personally I don't think we go 7-6 and it would be nuts to fire Fuente in anticipation of that. Also if we fired Fuente and elevated someone on staff to HC, I tend to think it would work out about as well as the firing of Greenberg and hiring of James Johnson.

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oh yeah, no I'm waiting to see how this season plays out.

I'm just not going into this season with the overwhelming confidence that we're going to get to the level of wins that we really need to in order to take the pressure off the staff. We've had too many head scratching losses even going back to Beamer's last few years to really feel that way. If I'm wrong and we suddenly go 10-2 and blow the doors off everyone we beat, that's absolutely great. But after last season, I can't help but brace for the shitshow to continue.

The good thing is, getting tickets to games should be really easy this year given the schedule. If ever there was a year to just go up and enjoy the tailgates, this is it.

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The sad part is if we go 10-2, there are still going to be people calling for his head. They are going to say any coach could have gone 10-2 with that schedule.

All we can do is win the games and move on.

I mean if we're going to go there....

With this schedule if we are 10-2 with 8 wins by a TD or less, I would feel a little uneasy about how things are going for the program.

If we're 10-2 with 5 or 6 absolute routs and 2 or 3 other multiple score wins (which we probably should have), then I don't see how you can complain

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Firing him (and likely the entire staff at that point) would absolutely have a negative effect on recruiting, even if Fuente & Co. aren't exactly hitting it out of the park.

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If we finish 6-6 again, I am hoping that Sands and Whit persuade Fuente that it isn't working out and he leaves voluntarily for something in between the two numbers.

2020: $12.5 million, $1 million

That is a big number, no doubt, but you've also got to think of $$ lost if we were to continue down the path we'd be on. Keeping CFJ after another 7-6 type season would set us back significantly on overall donations to HC, seat donations, and butts in seats on gamedays for multiple years. Football is the cash cow for the athletic department. We could easily lose more than $12.5M keeping him around than ponying up and paying (which likely wouldn't be a lump sum, anyways).

You raise a good point - and it'd be interesting to see how much money is lost on down seasons (compare last season to the season before etc.).

However, my counter point would be: You have to drop $12.5 on firing him (plus any buyouts for the staff, if those exist?) and factor in bringing in a new HC + staff. There's some complex accounting to be done there, which I'd assume Whit & Co. are on top of.

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but you've also got to think of $$ lost if we were to continue down the path we'd be on

I don't know if it's necessarily an either-or...is it possible we go 7-6 this year but also don't "continue down the path we'd be on"? two down years, right the ship, multiple players take a big step forward in their second and third years of playing (some after having redshirted), etc?

"Why gobble gobble chumps asks such good questions, I will never know." - TheFifthFuller

two down years, right the ship, multiple players take a big step forward in their second and third years of playing

You'd have a lot more faith in this staff than I would if we finished 7-6 this year. That's a significant downward trend since the staff has taken over and inserted their own guys, and I'm not sure what recruits we're going to have banging down the door to come here after a 6-7 season, a class in the 50s (or worse) and a 7-6 year.. I don't see where you can hang your hat on 'writing the ship.'

I'm not saying it's likely, just that a program "death spiral" isn't necessarily a nailed-on, no-doubt-about-it given. There's a difference between assuming someone will "right the ship" (which I'm not doing) and acknowledging that there's the possibility they could (which, sure, I'm clearly less pessimistic about than you are.)

I understand that the long-term effects on our program would be real and take a lot of work to overcome, but i don't think i'm wrong in saying that those costs are abstract and difficult to quantify against "12.5-15m buyout", which is the balancing act Whit will have to do.

"Why gobble gobble chumps asks such good questions, I will never know." - TheFifthFuller

Wow, this really is a very one-sided contract. We owe him a fortune if we decide to cut ties with him, and he virtually owes us nothing in damages if he breaks the contract and takes another job. I would think you would build in a relatively high buyout for the coach taking another job, to discourage other schools from sniffing around, as part of the negotiations (give some, take some, but this contract leans almost entirely in his favor). Some of those figures are chump change for a big football school who would pay that in a heartbeat if they wanted him, which I admit he may not have the same interest from those schools now as he did in 2017. But this is a truly one-sided deal that I hope VT athletics will not regret.

That's just it. Virginia Tech doesn't necessarily do it the way that every other "big football schools" do it.
And it's called respect.

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Unless I'm blind, it says 2 (up from 1 last season). The 3 is in the column for how many years the coach has been at the program.

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A vocal contigent of TKP believes he should be #1.

Regardless I put a lot more stock behind an article written by a respected national CFB writer than a webpage with no name attached that looks like something hosted on Geocities at the turn of the millennium.

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I really wish you would stop making such definitive statements like this. You have no idea what may happen before or during the year that would cause us to have a 7-6 record, or worse. The extreme hostility you and some others exhibit on a constant basis is very grating.

WADR, you miss the point of this entire thread. Our second string should by all measure go 7-6 against THIS SCHEDULE.. have you seen it? No amount of injuries, suspensions, bad luck, arrests warrants 7 wins when 4 of them are Furman, Rhode Island, ODU, and GT with a finese spread coach, coaching triple option players. No excuse. I'm not even mentioning 2 win UNC or Wake or UVA here.

OK so let's hear it? what is your documented thoughtful excuse as to why this team would lose 6 games against this schedule?

Hypothetically, and praying that it never happens, our buses are driving to Roanoke to fly to Boston. Overly tired truck driver on I-81 slams into a bus, taking out 25% of the team.

But hey, according to Dougie Downer, NO EXCUSES!!!!!!!

Does this not entertain you? Are you happy now?

Do you really not know that your constant behavior attacking 1) TKP members, 2) TKP users, 3) VT coaches and 4) VT players is so appalling? You do it on this site, you do it on TSL, and I think I've even seen you do it in the online RT sports comments section.

spare me.. I don't post often enough to "constantly attack" anyone. And attack in this case = you disagree.. spare me. Thanks

I don't have a TSL handle.. and I have never posted a comment to the roanoke times. Thanks anyway.

Overly tired truck driver on I-81 slams into a bus, taking out 25% of the team.

You forgot to mention nuclear fall outs, locust invasions and malaria.

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This football program is headed for a disaster of biblical proportions.

What do you mean, "biblical"?

What he means is Old Testament- real wrath of God type stuff.

Exactly.

Fire and brimstone coming down from the skies! Rivers and seas boiling!

Forty years of darkness! Earthquakes, volcanoes...

The dead rising from the grave!

Human sacrifice, dogs and cats living together... mass hysteria!

All right, all right! I get the point!

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You obviously took DCWilson's "no excuse" comment just a tad too literal, hence my snarky response. In the immediate sentence before, he references suspensions, injuries, arrests, and bad luck, which would be examples of excuses.

No shit if a quarter of the team dies in a bus crash, will the season be a disaster. That's not what he is referencing. He is tired of the apologists and makes a valid point that at this time, given, let's call them "typical football related excuses," Fuente has none left and needs to win. With this schedule, there is no reason not to do so. DCWilson is right. There aren't any excuses not to win this year.

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The problem is, dcwilson40 is wrong, and the numbers back this up. He keeps blaming Fuente and the offense for our recent struggles. That simply isn't true. Across the board, when you compare the last 2 years of offense under Fuente versus the last 4 years of offense under Beamer, we've made significant improvements. Rush yards are up an average of 429 yards a year, passing 188 yards, total points per year 42.5 and TDs 7.5/year. (I took out 2016 since it had more games to get a better comparison. 2011 was the last time VT football was relevant under Beamer, so it's there for reference.)

It's the defense that has declined. But when you drill down into the numbers, it's really just last year when we replaced 7 starters in the LBs and DBs. (Edmundi, Motu, Facyson, Alexander, Settle, Stroman) A lot of experienced walked off the field.

Games Plays Yards Rush Pass Points TDs Plays Yards Points TDs
2018 13 949 5566 2266 3300 388 50 892 5702 403 53
2017 13 996 5367 2254 3113 366 45 820 4151 192 24
2016 14 1087 6223 2563 3660 490 61 955 4770 319 41
2015 13 941 4972 2006 2966 400 48 865 4843 345 42
2014 13 964 4904 1857 3047 297 35 867 4314 278 31
2013 13 928 4622 1500 3122 318 39 807 3693 226 27
2012 13 951 4898 1960 2938 323 38 899 4331 300 35
2011 14 971 5589 2509 3080 394 49 889 4458 244 30
Avg 2011-2018 973.4 5267.6 2114.4 3153.3 372.0 45.6 874.3 4532.8 288.4 35.4
Avgย ย 2012-2015 946 4849 1830.75 3018.25 334.5 40 859.5 4295.25 287.25 33.75
Avgย ย 2017-2018 972.5 5466.5 2260 3206.5 377 47.5 856 4926.5 297.5 38.5
Difference 26.5 617.5 429.25 188.25 42.5 7.5 -3.5 631.25 10.25 4.75

Source: Hokiesports.com

As for the ODU game, we put up 600 yards of offense and scored 5 TDs while losing the starting QB that day. That one ain't on the O....

I did take his comment literally. He comes on here, makes preposterous statements at times, never backs them up and denigrates anyone who dares disagree with him. He said there is no excuse if we went 7-6, and demanded I provide a reason why I said it wasn't true and pointed out that his bombastic comments were plucking a lot of people's last nerve. I gave him one. And you came on here, twice, making smart-ass comments back. (Have you ever lost anyone tragically? I have, twice. That's why I can't stand bullshit comments like "there's no reason" or "there's no excuse". 'Cause there is. Bad shit happens sometimes.)

I'm not apologizing for Fuente. But I damn sure am going to point out that this horseshit all the Fuente blamers are throwing around is just that. Horseshit. Not a single one of you has come on here and provided any evidence to the contrary that things haven't improved since Beamer left. Not one. All y'all do is bitch and moan about TMac not getting the ball and rotating RBs and blah, blah, freaking blah. The numbers don't lie. Things have gotten better on O. They were even better on O when we had that weak armed QB who transfered to UMd, who by the way was throwing to iDrops that UMd made a DB because he kept dropping the freaking ball.

And last year we did have to replace 7 defensive starters for various reasons, and 1 replacement blew out his freaking Achilles so we ended up having to play a guy who wasn't ready. Is that Fuente's fault? Oh, I forgot. It's his fault because he has to manage the roster. It's not the fault of the DC who's supposed to be handling that. Oh no. Fuente's head needs to roll! Fire his ass! Pitchforks and torches! All these "big time donors" aren't happy! Put up or shut up if you think you've got that much money.

Most of the time, I'll overlook a bit of hyperbole. It happens. But seriously, back up what you're saying with stats or provide something meaningful. If you can't, don't be a complete ass 95% of the time.

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Anybody else other than me ever wonder what DCWilson does for a living? I gotta get me one of those jobs I can spend all day on forums like that. My guess is that it is some sort of profession where the term "elevate" is really important.

Yep, like everyone you disagree with about football on the internet with, I am a loser. Unemployed, never went to Tech, live in my moms basement, registered sex offender, meth addict. That's me.. because you disagree with my football opinion. You nailed it.

You know DC, you are right. I probably shouldn't have posted that. You are a Hokie and we are on the same team. I don't say much on here, I like coming to get some insider takes and read way more than I write. It's just your delivery man and the frequency of saying the same thing. It gets to be a lot. I don't think I'm in the minority here. That's probably the worst apology ever but it's the truth.

Sounds like you have quite the pulse on everything DCwilson posts, but you lost me in the first few lines stating DCwilson only blames Fuente for the offense and team struggles. Unless I was completely blackout hammered every time I got on this board last fall and completely made some shit up in my head, I'm pretty sure I remember him getting crapped on for lambasting Bud nearly all of last season, particularly over his comments on the GT game. I remember doing some of the criticizing of DC myself.

I 100% agree that he posts many things that rub people the wrong way. Looks like you just decided you had enough and had to give your own extremely highly unlikely "excuse," ignoring the fact that he was obviously talking about football related problems, which again he mentioned. It's totally fine that you were pushed over the edge by him suggesting the VT head football coach needs to win now. However, if you're going to provide an extremely unlikely excuse for the team not to win with the easiest schedule in the country, you can expect to get some more of those excuses followed up to yours, whether they sound snarky or not. We are being literal after all, right?

Your assumption that I'm a Fuente blamer is incorrect. I've been one of his biggest supporters. The offense and recruiting have gotten better, no doubt. Yes, the defense has gotten worse, for all of the reasons you mentioned. Yet, I agree with DC that Fuente needs to win this season and there are no excuses for him not to. (I'm just referring to the football ones, not potential tragic accidents or maybe even climate change.) Do I think he will or should be fired if he doesn't? No. But he does need to win for the sake of the future of the program.

As for the random tangent on whether I've "lost anyone tragically..." yes. I'm not going to go into a 'who has had it worse' contest. I'm sure everyone on the board knows that bad shit happens and life sucks sometimes, no need to lecture a grown adult on it.

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Thank You... hilarious that he thinks "I always blame the offense" lol considering I might be Bud's biggest "critic" on this board. He doesn't like me, it's OK.

You may also be Fuente's biggest critic on the board.

They're not mutually exclusive.

Climate change

Lost my s*** there

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Benefits to climate change.... in 75-100 years when there's a hurricane every weekend, UNC will never ever win another game.

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FACTTTSSSSS STATSSSS FACCCTSSSS STATSSSS Alert, Alert, Alert:

@ BC
ODU
Furman
Duke
@Miami
Rhode Island
UNC
@ND
Wake
@GT
Pitt
@UVA

Yes, DCWilson is picking on Fuente, flaming the board, not backing up the schedule with facts, not providing any data. There is your data. I did not major in math at VT, but that looks like 7 home games to me, and 2 of them against the lower division. It looks like one ranked team (ND) according to USA Today and ESPN pre season polls. It looks to me like we play Wake from the Atlantic and not Clemson or NC state or FSU- all predicited to finish higher than wake. Numbers, data, not my opinion. But yes, I am ragging on Justin Fuente and the offense. Yep. I present the actual schedule- that is of course hyperbole, not supported by facts, my opinion. Yes. More facts: As of today, we have 8 returning starters on defense and 9 on offense. As of today, there is nobody "suspended indefinitely" from the team. Facts. So to my original fucking point. AGAINST THIS SCHEDULE there is not a reasonable excuse to lose 6 games- note: reasonable..not a plane crash or meningitis outbreak god forbid. A reasonable excuse. Reasonable. In my opinion, Justin Fuente still trying to "transition" the Beamer roster after 4 off seasons is not a reasonable excuse when players can only play 4 years anyway. That is light years in modern college football. Now is the time that we need to overcome these excuses. Note: I am asking for 8 whole wins... not 12- 8.. 8... yet I am "flaming the program and the offense" of course. As a 20 year season ticket holder, I am asking Justin Fuente in year 4 to win 8 games with this schedule. Shoot me.

I'm going to disagree with you here. I think he needs to win not 8, but 9 games and a 10th in a solid bowl game. We need a damn good season. The program perception is down in my opinion and he can't afford to let it drop further. I'd also love to see some third quarter offense. Hopefully, it comes together.

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The fish rots at the head. Period.

You don't get to take credit without accepting blame.

When we say there's no excuses to not win this season, you're actually going to suggest the possibility of 25% of the team dying? What is wrong with you? If 20 Hokies died in a tragic accident there would be a lot more to care about than football.

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He wants FACTSSSSS as to why we could possibly lose 6 games. Facts. Like slightly improved offensive deep stats from 2013 to now or putting up 600 yards on ODU with our backup QB that started 9 games last year. Facts.

Lol sorry you need to chill a little too. There's a middle ground that isn't program on fire or defend Fuente at all costs.

The losing season and ~80th recruiting class are hard to swallow but unfortunately we have no choice at the moment besides wait and see if Fuente can salvage the program.

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the thread could have been 4 posts long if he simply read what I wrote originally.

There are precisely 5 teams we should absolutely beat, without a doubt, and those five teams are Furman, URI, ODU, GT, and UNC. After that, we should still beat Duke, Wake, and BC, but losing one of those kinds of games has been the MO for VT Football for a long time now.

Pitt just won the goddamn Coastal, beating us by over 30 on the way, and while we should be a lot better and they won't be quite as good 30 points is a lot of ground to make up, so they could still easily beat us again. UVA has improved by leaps and bounds every year under Bronco, and all indications are that they'll make another jump this year, so we absolutely can't count them out. And anyone who expects a win over either Miami or ND this year has spiked their Kool Aid with some Wild Turkey.

So yeah, 7-5 isn't terribly unrealistic, even considering our expectations heading into the season. A few bad bounces and that's exactly where we end up. What I care a hell of a lot more about is seeing how we play in our hypothetical losses. If we're keeping it close in the second half, and not giving up and losing by 30, that's a big improvement in my book, and something to build on for 2020. If we're still getting our asses handed to us every drive after halftime, then yes, it's probably time to start making plans to find someone else.

The fact that before the season even starts we're sitting here going "well, we will probably lose to Duke, Wake, or BC and that's ok"

should tell you just how fucking far this program has fallen over the last 10 years

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But the Duke and Wake programs have also improved. Some people just think of Duke and Wake programs of history and how bad they were. That time has probably past. Duke has a real coach and staff, is putting money into their football program, and getting better. Wake has a real coach, shows signs of improvement, and is really only limited by the fact that our incoming freshman class is bigger than their entire enrollment.

As for BC, they have been a thorn in our side for 20 years. They are a normally good program that occasionally hits great or poor years. They always have a monster defense, and an offensive line that could be used as a road paver.

In 2017, we lost to GT, who finished 5-6
In 2016, we lost to Syracuse, who finished 4-8
In 2015, we lost to ECU, who finished 5-7 with a G5 schedule
In 2014, we lost to Wake, who finished 3-9
In 2013, all of our losses came to bowl teams, but two of them (Maryland and BC) finished 7-6
In 2012, we lost to two Big East teams, one of whom (Pitt) finished 6-7
In 2011, we were blown out twice by a lower-ranked Clemson team
In 2010, you know what happened

Do I need to continue?

No...

And you're not surprising me at all. But there are a lot of people around who think that just because we have an easy schedule that we're going to win a lot of games. As you have pointed out, that absolutely isn't the case. In fact, its likely we are going to have at least one WTF kind of loss on the season on what should be a complete cakewalk of a season.

In fact, given our recent trend, there's a decent chance we're scratching for bowl eligibility all season again this year. Last few years we've had a litany of excuses to fall back on, but this year those excuses are gone. This program must take a big step forward in the win column. And if it doesn't, it doesn't bode well at all for the Fuente regime going forward. They must get to 9 wins this year. Anything less, and you're really looking at multiple WTH losses in a season that this staff has been pointing to since they got here.

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I'm just saying, it doesn't take multiple "WTH" losses to hit 8-4. I think we can all agree that ND is an expected loss, and nobody would be shocked at a loss to Miami. I know if we lose to defending Coastal champs Pitt I'll be disappointed but won't lose sleep over it, as long as we play competitively in a close loss. That leaves either one "WTH" loss, or a loss to UVA, which only us homers would consider a "WTH" loss in 2019 with a 15-year streak on the line.

Amen... we wonder why we are competing with Richmond for recruits and they cant give away season ticket packages... it's our awesome fans that have settled for possibly losing to fucking Furman because of some lame excuse.

5 teams we should absolutely beat, without a doubt, and those five teams are Furman, URI, ODU, GT, and UNC

settled for possibly losing to fucking Furman

Literally nobody has said that. You're taking my words and blowing them out of proportion in a vain effort to prove something.

This is why you're such a pain to have a discussion with sometimes.

I wasn't talking about you

Who were you talking about then? Literally nobody in this thread or any other I've seen on this site has suggested Furman as anything short of a guaranteed win.

it's the fans' fault that the product has sucked for the last two years???????????????????????????????????

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Why has the product sucked/been mediocre for most of the past 7 years? If we are being honest. You know a big part of the answer.

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straight from the CG

Respect the signal to noise ratio. In other words, don't post or comment or topic for the sake of it. Don't post comments that require further (missing) explanation. You don't have to be an essayist, but a few well-thought out sentences generally contributes to the discussion better. If you're referencing a Tweet, article or YouTube video, link or embed it. Ensure your comment is thorough to the point where everyone else contributing to the thread understands it. Don't deal in riddles or mystery. Brevity can be fine as long as there is context.

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Nobody said they think it's ok to lose to those teams. However it's probably worth considering though that in 3 seasons, Fuente is 5-1 against BC and Duke (he hasn't faced Wake). From 2013-2015, we went 2-5 against BC, Duke, and Wake.

When did the program fall off again?

Joffrey, Cersei, Ilyn Payne, the Hound, Jeff Jagodzinski, Paul Johnson, Pat Narduzzi.

Pitt has lost 4 OL starters, two RB's contributing to over 75% of their rushing yards for the season, and a handful of players on defense. No way in hell we should lose to them again. Duke lost their star (for lack of a better term) QB. BC and Wake should be the only trap games. UVA is a coin flip. ND and Miami being challenging.

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Duke lost their star (for lack of a better term) QB.

*sobs in Giants fan*

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I don't always agree with dcwilson40 but when I do it's because he's absolutely correct.

I've been lenient with coaches in the past, including Loeffler, and I'm here for one more year with Fuente. However, in year 4, with this schedule, there really isn't an excuse for a football program like VT to lose more than 3 regular season games. Any competent coaching staff would accomplish this feat. I'm not convinced this particular staff can do it but I'm willing to patiently wait for them to prove me wrong. This really is the year though. If this staff can't do it against this schedule I don't think they will ever be able to compete with the rest of the ACC.

This is very much a schedule that supports a "win 9+ games or you're gone" type of mindset which I think is generally unfair, unreasonable, and usually misguided. But in our case I think it's totally reasonable and I will be thoroughly disappointed if we win 8 or fewer games and don't make any significant changes to this staff

If a tree falls in Scott Stadium does it make a sound?

Agreed. This should be a bounce back year for us after last year, and with the schedule the way it is, I *expect* nine wins. This year and next year are the two years that will give me a 'final' evaluation of Fuente and staff.

Doesn't the SEC do this like every year?

What's
Important
Now

OK so can we all agree that 8 wins is acceptable minimum this year?

Whatever. It was one bad year.

Seasonal Brew means High ABV for football season and standard the rest of the year.

8 wins or I'm transferring to University of Florida.

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Florida?

4 losses would mean losing either at BC or at home to Pitt, or some other ungodly loss. I'd take losing at Miami, ND, or hell even a UVA road loss this year would make more sense than the rest of the teams on the schedule, but anything past that is ridiculous.

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Y'all may hate me for this but here's my non-O&M glasses prediction for the season...

The past year has been tough. We're all pretty down but we expect a decent win percentage on account of strength or schedule. When the season starts we look good. Win after win enters the books. Around 3-4 games in we ink into the ranking on account of still being undefeated. The fan base finally lets their guard down and jumps on the hype train... until the rails inevitably fall off. Around game 4-6 we have our first wtf game and plummet out of the rankings. The fan base loses it. Despite what we were starting to think we're not in fact bak. It's time to burn it all down. As the season goes on we end up dropping the originally predicted (by many) 2 to possibly 3 more. Those of us that are a little bit more level headed end up coming full circle and realize that we really weren't that great from the beginning but our strength of schedule was just hot garbage.

If you've followed Tech football for any length of time tell me you can't see this happening... Oh and then Bud retires.

Using /s is for cowards.

I don't know about all the win after win and then spirally into the pit of doom stuff... I can't call that... but I do think this is Coach Foster's last year.

Leonard. Duh.

For me, with this schedule, VT doesn't just need to win games this year. Fuente needs to put on a freaking show to put butts in the seats and to give recruits something to be excited about.

Winning close games with this schedule (BC, Duke, Pitt, GT will all be down this year) will satisfy the die hards (myself included), but it will do nothing to generate broader excitement about the program IMO.

Is it basketball season yet?

I think Joe said this a few months back, something along the lines of 'it's year 4, these are your guys, the schedule is in your favor, you have a returning QB, there is no excuse this year.'

We better be putting up more than 24 points against our Power 5 competition every single game this year - because, you know, we've only done that 5 times in the past two seasons.

Hmmmm. The attendance thing...
So, take away the Marshall game because it shouldn't hurt the numbers...
2018-ave 64,280 in 6 games, #22 in FBS
2017-ave 63,214 in 6 games, #24 in FBS
2016-ave 63,043 in 6 games, #26 in FBS
2015-ave 60,824 in 6 games, #28 in FBS

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I really struggle to believe that was our attendance last year when the entire top-deck of the SEZ was a ghost town

a solid portion of the upper SEZ is student seating. Students use the tickets but never sit there, they cram into the NEZ or the upper East.

In addition to student movement, attendance numbers are based on tickets sold, so if somebody bought season tickets and decided not to make the trek out to Blacksburg for a game or two, they still get counted in the official numbers.

I hope for fireworks and a big improvement. I don't think that's realistic though, its just not how these things work. If we get to 9 wins, that's real progress. But we have to get to 9 wins and have a dope 2021 recruiting class to get things back on track.

Win 9 regular season games, don't lose to UVA, don't lose to ODU. Anything less than that and I don't much care what the excuse is, even if Fuente has to trot out there himself at QB.

I agree.... anything less than 9-3 will be a disappointment IMO

WINS
ODU
Furman
Duke
Rhode Island
UNC
WF
UVA

LOSS
ND

50/50 (based on history and/or us always dropping a game we shouldn't)
Pitt - should be a win but who knows, at Lane this year
BC - should be a win, replace a lot of starters but still have AJ Dillion and QB Anthony Brown
GT - WHO THE FUCK KNOWS... probably lose again
Miami - hard to tell with so much influx of new players and coaches

Bleeding burnt orange and chicago maroon

The only scenario where I see us losing to GT is an ODU type of scenario. I can't imagine they will be competitive for a couple of years as they have an extensive rebuild taking place.

I also think both Pitt & BC will be fighting for winning records this season with the losses they both suffered (coaching and personnel for BC, loads of personnel for Pitt). I'm not saying they are guaranteed wins, but I would be terribly disappointed to lose any of those three games this season.

Is it basketball season yet?

But losing Scott Leoffler is addition by subtraction...

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Was it though? I always liked Lefty (Remember, Fuente's first group of kids on offense were Lefty's recruits). Now I'm not suggesting that he would have been wildly successful at VT, but I think he was good a BC.

Is it basketball season yet?

I'll always be somewhat appreciative of lefty, because he did leave this program in a better place than he found it. I remember seeing him interviewed after the Fuente hire was announced, when was clear that he would no longer have a job at VT, and it just looked like he was disappointed that he let down Beamer. I also give him credit for his work with Brewer, who I think would've been a Kellen Moore type QB if he could stay healthy.

But at the same time, Lefty is was one of the coaches who has managed to fall upward (or at least laterally) despite having mediocre to bad results every season except one (at Temple with Addazzio). It's quite impressive, and deserves some jokes.

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But at the same time, Lefty is was one of the coaches who has managed to fall upward (or at least laterally) despite having mediocre to bad results every season except one (at Temple with Addazzio). It's quite impressive, and deserves some jokes.

Haha... you're right, this did make me laugh a bit.

Is it basketball season yet?

UVA had this easy of a schedule last year, went 7-5, and everyone is claiming they're on a good path. I'm cool with the schedule. These young kids need to build the confindence back up after last year.

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This.

UVa went 7-5 last year, and suddenly Bronco walks on water.

And yes, I get that our standards are higher, but I look forward to see some success on the field.

we will definitely see how NBA translates OTF

21st century QBs Undefeated vs UVA:
MV7, MV5, LT3, Josh Jackson, Jerod Evans, Michael Brewer, Tyrod Taylor, Sean Glennon, and Grant Noel. That's right, UVA. You couldn't beat Grant Noel.

I'm surprised nobody has pointed out that they listed ND as a conference game. I was about to get uppity about them glossing over playing a borderline top-10 team out of conference before I noticed that.

Are you surprised that ESPN has incorrect content???

It isn't ESPN, it's someone called "The Spun" quoting ESPN's preseason FPI figures. But no, I'm not surprised they're incorrect, just surprised nobody else pointed it out first.

Is this a ranking amongst only P5 schedules or is it relative to the team being evaluated?
I figured some Sunbelt C-USA team probably had a more lame schedule, so I looked up UTEP's:

Houston Baptist, @ TTU, Nevada, @ Southern Miss, UTSA, @ FIU, LA Tech, @ North Texas, Charlotte, @ UAB, @ NM State, Rice

Correct, ours is the weakest P5 schedule.

This is absurd. How were we to know that Furman, ODU, and Rhode Island wouldn't be powerhouses this year? We scheduled them 10 years ago!

Rhode Island is filling in for ECU. They were a last minute addition to the schedule.

probably should have added the \s......

Werent we supposed to have that game against Michigan this year? swap out Rhode Island for Michigan and Virginia and Miami play well this year and we would end up with one of the hardest schedules.

Either way, we need to start ramping up the youth. They got thrown into the fire last year and had a lot of distractions in the locker room and off the field leading up to the season. Hopefully all that leads to them taking a huge leap this year. I wish we were starting with Furman or Rhode Island instead of BC though.

No, Michigan was 2020 and 2021. This year's schedule scramble was due to ECU.

And I'm sure at some point in the past, we had Wisconsin on this year's schedule, but it got pushed back when their AD broke a nail or something.

The Hokies and Badgers won't play their long-anticipated football series now until 2019 and 2020, according to Virginia Tech athletic director Jim Weaver. The teams will play at Wisconsin, Sept. 14, 2019, and in Blacksburg on Sept. 12, 2020.

Jesus Wisconsin has been around a long time.

The series with Wisconsin has now twice been postponed. It was originally supposed to start in 2008, although the Badgers asked to move it back. Tech replaced Wisconsin's spot on the schedule with Nebraska

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By far, this is the worst (or easiest) schedule I have ever been a part of with VT. It is really sad that we have to schedule this way to insure success for our coach. It is even more sad that there are discussions about losing to ODU again. Take a step back and you really see how back this program has fallen in a very short time. It is getting very difficult to continually pay out this kind of money for this kind of scheduling and success. I hope it turns around but then again, hope is not a plan.

It is really sad that we have to schedule this way to insure success for our coach.

You realize that's not how this works and these schedules are done years in advance right? Not to mention Michigan was supposed to be on this schedule.

I understand complaints about the schedule (I sure am not excited about it) but stating that this weak schedule was purposefully done for Fuente is just not rooted in reality.

This is a football message board facts and reality have no place. It doesn't matter that ECU pulled out and Whit was forced to get a 2nd FCS game or that Other P5 programs have pulled out Whit should demand P5 programs play at Lane!

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Yep, it's an alien sighting conspiracy that we have the worst schedule in football this coming year. Like all of the other conspiracies since Fuente has become head coach. It's getting weird in blacksburg

One man's reality is another man's fantasy. The reality is that this is a very easy schedule. And yes schedules are made years in advance and schedules also get adjusted yearly. That is the reality of it.

Fans thought VT was going to win the national championship in 2003 after we started 6-0 and rose to #3 in the rankings. That team went on to finish 8-5 and unranked.

Fans thought the program was spiraling when we started 0-2 and lost to JMU in 2010. We went undefeated in ACC play, won the conference, and finished #15.

It's the offseason and I understand why there's a tendency for overanalysis but it is a new season and results can change extremely quickly in college football. Fans are always likely blow things out of proportion based on recency bias for better or worse- and yes, we all agree that last year's results sucked. Based on the discussions on here, people are making ODU out to be a toss up game, and then others are panicking based on that; however, our win probability against ODU is 96% per S&P+ and 97.9% per FPI.

Joffrey, Cersei, Ilyn Payne, the Hound, Jeff Jagodzinski, Paul Johnson, Pat Narduzzi.

Well said...that 03 season was brutal especially with the amount of talent we had. I'll always remember the Ernest Wilford Wvu penalty then "helmet slap" as the point things went south. Bounced back and spanked a talented Miami team then the game at pitt๐Ÿ˜”๐Ÿคข๐Ÿคฎ...Jones ran wild and we were in control but stupid turnovers. Of course after that b.c...lolUVA...and a buzzsaw called Aaron Rodgers in the bowl game. It's close between 02 or 03 which were greater disappointments...of course the high ankle sprain image against Pitt in 00 will never leave my mind. We will see what Fuente is made of this year with that schedule and his guys...defense should be at least formidable with the young guys playing so much last year. Give me 9 wins baby...or more๐Ÿค”

HokieHighVPI03

Strength of Schedule prior to the season can be remarkably different than SOS at the end of the season. Outside of the FCA games, P5 College Football is simply too fluid and preseason (Way too early) projections are called 'way too early' for a reason.

HTHokie93

You have to put on the O&M glasses. We will be three wins better than everybody expects while our opponents will be two wins worse. Am I doing this right? Oh, and if we keep talking about it, there is no reason Fuente shouldn't be able to sleep walk to 10 wins and an ACC championship berth.

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There you go. You did it right.

JP

With the attitude of this board lately, we're going to somehow go 10-2 with a win over a highly ranked Miami or Notre Dame team, but a loss to UNC and the main topic on this board will be "Who should replace Fuente?" I get it's the offseason, but if i have to log in here one more time and see the main topic be about losing to Furman or ODU then it might be time for a break from this site.

Gobble Till You Wobble

Every thread on TKP right now:

Friendly Reminder:
That little slider to the right of your username between the "#" and the "v" is used to collapse a thread so you do not have to read it.

Since so many of you seem to actively dislike dcwilson so viscerally, it baffles me that any of you don't just collapse a thread when you see his name. Does every thread have to devolve into someone attacking him? You do realize that you can avoid it, right? If you are at a party and someone you do not care for walks in, do you go straight to that person and start an argument, effectively ruining the party for everyone else? If you do not want to talk with him, then don't. If you do not like his posts or opinions, the don't read them. Just don't engage. You are not going to change his mind and he won't change yours, so why blow up the board over it? As long as he is staying within the Community Guidelines, just ignore him. Your life will be so much better if you just move on.

For the record: Do I see how dcwilson can be irritating to some? Sure. But he can also occasionally makes good points. He was one of the first people last season to see that the defense was terrible and he got killed for the whole "does Bud get a pass" thing. In the rear-view, that take was pretty spot-on, yet at the time he was excoriated. Besides, differing opinions are healthy. If we only had super-optimistic, pie-in-sky optimists TKP would be an insufferably irrational hive-mind. I don't want to read an echo-chamber. I enjoy healthy back and forth discussions. What I do not enjoy is the hair-trigger so many commenters seem to have whenever dcwilson posts that sometimes even devolves into down-right insults for comments that hardly deserve it.

In summary: If you do not like dcwilson and see him post a comment, hit the slider and just

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