CMYBALL RECRUITING - August 2019

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Thanks for doing this!

Took an official to Stanford in March. Has officials scheduled to UCLA (Aug 23-25), Ohio State (Oct 4-6), and Duke (Nov 1-3). Looking to commit in November or December.
Re: Virginia Tech:

They were one of the first schools to offer me, but they came back into the recruiting scene late since Coach Buzz [Williams] left and once they hired Coach [Mike] Young, they were later back in the picture. They are trying to put together a strong class of their own and I could come in and make and start from day 1 and create something special.

👀 have a leg

Tales told of battles won
Of things we've done
Caligula would grin

Unofficial Landers Nolley score keeper

A 7 ft basketball player and Virginia Tech?

I remember one...Luke Minor. Didn't pan out but was a nice guy the one time I randomly met him.

Robert Krabbendam as well.

Marshall University student.
Virginia Tech fanatic.

Roy Brow? I think he was 7.

Reel men fish on Wednesdays

Almost! He was 6 ft 11 and a whopping 195-205 pounds! Great shot blocker though and I do remember seeing him manage a full court dribble and slam dunk in one game.

From the 2018 VT-uva game-"This is when LEGENDS are made!"

Johnny Hamilton is a 7 footer who played for us quite recently. Idk what exactly happened with him, but it didn't work out in Blacksburg

Hurt thumb then in Buzz's doghouse. He was crazy athletic in warmups. Played feet above the rim

Recruit Prosim

Transferred to UT Arlington and played in the NBA Summer League this year

Outside it's night time, but inside it's LeDay

Yeah idk what happened to his VT career though. Only played 17 games his first year, then only 3 in his second. Then he seemingly disappeared from the team before transferring at the end of the year.

Outside it's night time, but inside it's LeDay

Gobble Till You Wobble

Wonder what percentage of "cloudy" we are?

We put the K in Kwality

Don't like our chances but I like CMY at least shooting his shot. Having VT be his 5th OV would make me feel better. I believe his parents are doctors, education is (probably) going to play a huge role in his decision.

EDIT: Per this article, Williams' dad is a GI doctor in the 757 and his older sister (and current WNBA player) is a Duke alum. Duke is 100% in the pole position for this guy, it would take a minor miracle for him to come to Blacksburg.

If he wants to be a doctor like his father, the strength of our HNFE program may be a factor. We're one of the only schools in the country with an affiliated MD and DO school (the other being MSU).

I am glad we made the cut, but he needs to drop Tipton Edits. Why the cheesy pirate ship background? My quick google search says Norfolk Academy's mascot is the Bulldog and I don't see ECU on the list. And the TOP 7 is apparently cut from stone, which doesn't belong on a ship. MAYBE its supposed to be Hokie Stone!!! HE'S PICKING US!!! CONFIRMED!!!

Whatever. It was one bad year.

Seasonal Brew means High ABV for football season and standard the rest of the year.

👀 Have a leg

Tales told of battles won
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I am not sure Bacot is recruiting for us as much as he is recruiting against Duke and NC State.

Whatever. It was one bad year.

Seasonal Brew means High ABV for football season and standard the rest of the year.

Mark pls
Henry pls

mark henry pls

"Why gobble gobble chumps asks such good questions, I will never know." - TheFifthFuller

Using the class calculator, adding Coleman and Williams, the CMYBALL first full class would rate 62.66, good for....1st in the country, with the shortest player being 6-5

Never Forget #1 Overall Seed UVA 54, #64 UMBC 74

Is this the new coach bump? I have heard of it, but never seen it up close.

Whatever. It was one bad year.

Seasonal Brew means High ABV for football season and standard the rest of the year.

This is the "we win some games in the tourney and we're in a good conference" bump coupled with a "our coach isn't 1 foot out the door at the end of every season" bump

Recruit Prosim

No, this should be a much more familiar tactic to VT fans. It's called, "playing with the recruiting class calculator based on the false assumption that multiple recruits more highly ranked than your current top rated commit could still theoretically sign with Virginia Tech."

Joffrey, Cersei, Ilyn Payne, the Hound, Jeff Jagodzinski, Paul Johnson, Pat Narduzzi.

But its still a good exercise and the fact that we are even having this conversation shows the Mike Young is kicking some butt!

Pain is Temporary, Chicks Dig Scars
Glory is Forever, Let's Go Hokies!!

not with that attitude they won't sheesh

21st century QBs Undefeated vs UVA:
MV7, MV5, LT3, Josh Jackson, Jerod Evans, Michael Brewer, Tyrod Taylor, Sean Glennon, and Grant Noel. That's right, UVA. You couldn't beat Grant Noel.

Oh yeah, that's how we like it

King Alum of the House Hokie, the First of His Name, Khal of the Turkey Legs, The rightful Heir to the Big Board, the Unbanned, Breaker of Trolls and Father of Gritty

If we actually land everyone who is warm on us at the moment (Williams, Coleman, Hall), plus Darius Maddox, for whom we have a crystal ball, that would put our class at 67.13. A class rated the same last year would have been #11 in the country.

Not that I think we will land all of those players, but even if we do, we won't end up with the top class.

Height is nice though.

The #1 class is a one-and-done class, which is not something I want to be a part of

Outside it's night time, but inside it's LeDay

You wouldn't take the #1 class, because they might be one-and-done?!

Hokies United l Ut Prosim

Directions from Blacksburg to whoville, go north till you smell it then go east until you step in it

They will be one-and-done*

I would rather win championships, which you do with upperclassmen, than be hyped and reload every year.

Outside it's night time, but inside it's LeDay

One and dones gonna be over soon anyhow. One class loaded with NBA players would be good for our program regardless

"Why gobble gobble chumps asks such good questions, I will never know." - TheFifthFuller

i wouldn't mind putting 3-4 players into the league in the same first round.

"Why gobble gobble chumps asks such good questions, I will never know." - TheFifthFuller

CMY has the attention of some top recruits and he hasn't coached a game here yet. I like this.

"I'm too drunk to taste this chicken" - Colonel Sanders via Ricky Bobby

Interesting to see the people who think Mack won't succeed be all about MY

Recruit Prosim

you think Mike Young passed his prime 13 years ago when Vince Young was drafted?

🦃 🦃 🦃

Chris Mack at UL, maybe?

Whatever. It was one bad year.

Seasonal Brew means High ABV for football season and standard the rest of the year.

Chris Mack has already coached games for louisville

"Why gobble gobble chumps asks such good questions, I will never know." - TheFifthFuller

this is a stupid comparison. mack brown is more than a decade older than mike young

"Why gobble gobble chumps asks such good questions, I will never know." - TheFifthFuller

And Mack Brown has been out of coaching for 6 years.

the age difference between mack brown and mike young is similar to the age difference between mike young and justin fuente

not to mention that football and basketball are different sports

"Why gobble gobble chumps asks such good questions, I will never know." - TheFifthFuller

Just like it's interesting to see the people who will eat a 1 year old can of chili but won't touch a carton of milk a mere month after its expiration date.

Warning: this post occasionally contains strong language (which may be unsuitable for children), unusual humor (which may be unsuitable for adults), and advanced mathematics (which may be unsuitable for liberal-arts majors)..

You can't put the words "mere" and "month" together when talking about milk expiration. Yuck, dude.

Leonard. Duh.

That's the joke...

Warning: this post occasionally contains strong language (which may be unsuitable for children), unusual humor (which may be unsuitable for adults), and advanced mathematics (which may be unsuitable for liberal-arts majors)..

Tech made another top 5 this time for top 50 Xavier Foster. 7'0 Center from Iowa

Tales told of battles won
Of things we've done
Caligula would grin

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My first thought is...Top 5 again? Whoo freakin' hoo. Always a bridesmaid, nice to be in the picture, yada yada yada.
But you know, the more top 5s we're in on, the more optimistic I'm getting that sooner or later, we'll get a couple of them to tumble our way. Interesting times.

Reel men fish on Wednesdays

Out of the three people Tech made the cut for over the weekend. Landing one of them would be really huge

Tales told of battles won
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Unofficial Landers Nolley score keeper

Landing one of them would be really huge

If you're not sure if my comment warrants a "/s", it probably does.

👀have a leg

Tales told of battles won
Of things we've done
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...thank you to all the coach's...

To all the coach's what, exactly?

If you're not sure if my comment warrants a "/s", it probably does.

His name is too close to Tavien Feaster.

0% chance. Sorry guys. Its science.

xavier pls

"Why gobble gobble chumps asks such good questions, I will never know." - TheFifthFuller

Myles Tate (2020 PG, Dorman, SC) committed to Butler. Had a CB for him from a South Carolina insider for several days. Hokies are in the final 5 for his teammate PJ Hall (2020 PF).

We backed off after Bamissle (?) commitment. Similar players.

Looks like we are mainly focused on bigs for the last two spots in this class.

So lets say, theoretically, that I have a cousin who has a son that is 6'5" going into his freshman year in High School. How exactly would I get in touch with someone on the BB recruiting staff to get him on their radar?

@Fightin_Gobbler

Go Hokies

Go Falcons

Thanks! I honestly have no idea if he's actually any good. He from rural Indiana, and, as far as I know, has only played in local youth leagues. I'll keep this guy in mind if we get some tape together.

@Fightin_Gobbler

Go Hokies

Go Falcons

Rural Indiana is not the worst place to find basketball players

Outside it's night time, but inside it's LeDay

"What are you going to do, stab me? - Quote from Man Stabbed

Suggest him to try out for one of the Indiana AAU circuit teams. You will learn quickly where he falls on the totem pole.

So commitment from Basimile (247 #62)

Finalist for:
Henry Coleman (#39)
Mark Williams (#37)
Xavier Foster (#41)
PJ Hall (#65)
Darius Maddox (#75)

I might be willing to go out on a limb and admit MY is potentially a better recruiter than that previous coach whats his name

https://247sports.com/Season/2020-Basketball/CompositeRecruitRankings/?I...

'Its easy to grin, when your ship comes in, and you've got the stock market beat,
but the man worthwhile, is the man who can smile, when his shorts are too tight in the seat'

coach whatshisname only recruited HKGs tho

"Why gobble gobble chumps asks such good questions, I will never know." - TheFifthFuller

"His Kind of Guys" anagrams to "Doughy Fink, Sis", which is how some might describe coach whatshisname.

"Sooner or later, if man is ever to be worthy of his destiny, we must fill our heart with tolerance."
-Stan Lee

"Never half-ass two things. Whole-ass one thing."
-Ron Swanson

"11-0, bro"
-Hunter Carpenter (probably)

Doughy Fink Sis, wasn't that a former player that transferred to Florida?

I assume you're joking, but Nickeil, Clarke, Hill, and Nolley all had higher ratings than Bamisile. And if you count guys who we made the "top 5" for like MJ Walker, we were in the mix for plenty highly rated recruits.

Don't forget Ant Harris.

No not joking. Clarke and Hill same 247 rating as Basimile (62) and Basimile higher rater than Nolley (67) and Harris (72). But most impressed with MY hitting it with top rated guys from the start.

'Its easy to grin, when your ship comes in, and you've got the stock market beat,
but the man worthwhile, is the man who can smile, when his shorts are too tight in the seat'

It helps that Buzz took Virginia Tech from "worst basketball program in a power 5 conference" to "top half of the ACC". The perception of the program has changed which makes it easier for CMY to recruit. Both Buzz and CMY deserve praise in this situation.

Yes, true - I am probably jaded by the initial thought that MY was going to be a recruiting liability and he's anything but that with the commit from Basimile, Cone, getting Ojiako from LSU, etc.

'Its easy to grin, when your ship comes in, and you've got the stock market beat,
but the man worthwhile, is the man who can smile, when his shorts are too tight in the seat'

TBH I was concerned about CMY's recruiting ability as well. I was underwhelmed from a personality standpoint during his initial press conference. He seemed like a sage technocrat but lacked the charisma to convince a five-star recruit to come to program without a storied tradition.

Either he outsourced his recruiting responsibilities to his assistants (I know Webster is an ace recruiter, I've heard good things about the other two) or he found his mojo a la Austin Powers. Either way, CMY has exceeded my recruiting expectations.

Pain is Temporary, Chicks Dig Scars
Glory is Forever, Let's Go Hokies!!

**CMY introducing himself to top 100 recruits mother**

The run of success is almost all due to the assistants recruiting skills but you have to give MY credit for first hiring or retaining those coaches and the allowing them the flexibility to make such a solid impression for Virginia Tech.

As far as closing the deal, Young has actually always been strong at that which is why Wofford was so successful throughout his tenure there, it just happens at Tech with better assistants and more to offer, he can get more highly ranked kids in the door than any time at Wofford.

Agree here. And what's become very clear is that CMY does like the glitz and the glam. He's a heck of a basketball coach and it's part of the reason why Wofford was so perfect for him.

I think on a recruiting front, I actually think he doesn't approach it like many head coaches may. He isn't this charismatic guy. He can have the assistants be that. He just wants to talk "ball" as he so often refers to it. That's where he really relates to these young guys. He loves the game and can sit and talk with these young guys about the game they love too.

Always choose joy.

Clarke and Hill same 247 rating as Basimile (62) and Basimile higher rater than Nolley (67) and Harris (72).

That's misleading. Clarke (0.9765), Hill (0.9754), and Nolley (0.9752) all have higher composite ratings than *Bamisile (0.9749). The 2020 class is weaker than the others according to 247 so even though Nolley is 5 spots "lower" than Bamisile, he is actually a higher rated recruit. They are all similar 4 stars though so it's not worth arguing over these semantics any further.

Regardless, we won't know who is the "better recruiter" until several years from now. Justin Robinson and Kerry Blackshear Jr. are two of the best players to ever wear a Virginia Tech uniform, yet they were not top 100 players. That's good recruiting right there. But maybe not to you since they don't have two digit numbers next to their names for their recruiting rank.

Besides, recruiting ratings only mean so much. This isn't football - some of the teams with the top classes often don't end up being that good (Arizona and Oregon in recent years).

Also, why is this even a thing? Buzz and Young aren't competing against each other. Buzz did great things for VT and Young hopes to do the same kind of great things. Young is competing with the other ACC coaches, not Buzz.

I can't for the life of me figure out why Snickers is misspelled. Was it a mistake by the ad company? (Doubtful.) Was it photoshopped? If so, why? What joke is there in the misspelling?

P.S. Damn giphy and their change that makes them unusable on this site. The vast majority of results for "confused gif", almost 90%, were from there. Slim pickings, otherwise.

If you're not sure if my comment warrants a "/s", it probably does.

"You're not you when you're hungry"

And they misspelled their name to show they're not them because they're hungry

King Alum of the House Hokie, the First of His Name, Khal of the Turkey Legs, The rightful Heir to the Big Board, the Unbanned, Breaker of Trolls and Father of Gritty

My initial thought in pointing out rankings being that after just a few months Young is a far better recruiter by those metrics (and that's all we have at this point) than most would have thought..
And yeah, I agree rankings can be fickle. I prefer to watch film and form my own opinion. I Remember watching JRob in HS and thinking this dude just has it. I think Cattoor is in the same mold and is just a player

'Its easy to grin, when your ship comes in, and you've got the stock market beat,
but the man worthwhile, is the man who can smile, when his shorts are too tight in the seat'

Rating inflation is an established phenomenon

Recruit Prosim

Bubba Watson only recruited guys who were under 6'8" tall.

Is it basketball season yet?

Sure it's not his way-too-early bracket picks?

"Why gobble gobble chumps asks such good questions, I will never know." - TheFifthFuller

Ok so since this whole summer has been crazy. Does anybody in the know want to give me an ELI5 of where our basketball program currently sits?

Ask me no questions, and I'll tell you no lies

2019 is going to be rough while a bunch of new players get experience. Only players with any kind of playing time last year are 6-1 PG Bede (25mpg / 3.8 ppg), 6-4 SG Wilkins (14mpg / 4.7 ppg) and 6-6 PF Horne (13 mpg / 3.3 ppg). 6-4 G Jon Kabongo (4.2 mpg / 1.5 ppg) recently suffered a season-ending injury.

new faces expected to be major contributors are highly rated 6-7 G/F Nolley (rFR) and 5-11 PG Cone (FR)

in the frontcourt we'll have a couple of new PF competing for playing time in 6-8 Johnson (grad xfer) and 6-10 Ojiako (FR)
in the backcourt several shorter guards will be competing for playing... 6-3 Radford (rFR), 6-2 Catoor (FR), 6-3 Alleyne (FR)

Figure a primary lineup of Cone, Bede, Wilkins, Nolley and Horne with 3-4 of the others earning playing time. Johnson really needs to step in as a veteran post player and be an immediate contributor so that Ojaiko has some time to develop.

Recruiting for 2020 is going well so far, with VT mentioned in the "top 5" lists for multiple top 75 players, and a commitment from 6-5 SG Joe Bamisile (#62 nationally)

Joe bamisile is gonna top 45 after this coming up year

Tales told of battles won
Of things we've done
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Unofficial Landers Nolley score keeper

The good thing about Nolley is that he has at least been with the team for a year which means he is used to playing with a legitimate P-5 basketball team. I know that isn't ACC game experience, but it is something.

Is it basketball season yet?

No way we don't have either Johnson or Ojiako on the court at all times. We'd get crushed on the boards and in the post with a front court of Nolley and Horne.

Lots of new people means serious growing pains this year.

But a couple years from now, the recruiting that CMY and staff are doing right now should start to pay off and we'll jump right back up near where we have been (top half most of the time, peaking in the top third)

What's worth keeping an eye on is that not only are we recruiting talented players right now, but also height. Could have serious implications for us down the line, in a good way.

King Alum of the House Hokie, the First of His Name, Khal of the Turkey Legs, The rightful Heir to the Big Board, the Unbanned, Breaker of Trolls and Father of Gritty

How many recruits are we really looking at taking in 2020? Or is it the numbers always work and if 4/5 studs commit then we will make it work?

minimum 3; my gut says 4 is more likely.

I actually think we only have 2 scholarships available, so that would truly be the minimum. I'd be surprised if we could stretch that to 4, but I wouldn't be surprised to see Kabongo hang it up after a 2nd back injury

I may change my train of thought if there are a couple of redshirts, but looking at who they've signed and who they are recruiting...there are only so many minutes. I think it will take care of itself.

Well THIS stings a little, for once we have the top two (top graduate transfers) in something, and yet I'm still heartbroken.

⭐⭐⭐⭐⭐⭐ #YNWA

Ouch. That does sting. It'll be interesting to see how this impacts KBJ's stock after next season. CC was one of my favorites - loved his energy. I wish them both well, but really wish KBJ had stuck around. His leadership would have been valued during this transition year. We have some solid talent on the team, let's see what they can do while learning on the job.

I'm just here to sling some legs

Too bad we couldn't pick up the transfer from William and Mary

Reach for Excellence!

VT Football: It'll get after ya!

Proud Hokie since 2004.

Welp...we might've had a pretty good team next year had CC and KBJr both stayed. I know it was never going to happen, just saying.

If I'm not mistaken, Clarke didn't have the option of staying

Now finish up them taters; I'm gonna go fondle my sweaters.

But was that under the old regime or the new one?

I didn't think it was the coaches choice.

Now finish up them taters; I'm gonna go fondle my sweaters.

So this is what it feels like to be Greg Paulus. Balls in my face, that hurts to read!

In Sam Rogers we trust.

darius pls

"Why gobble gobble chumps asks such good questions, I will never know." - TheFifthFuller

I think Tech is gonna switch him to PG if he comes here

Tales told of battles won
Of things we've done
Caligula would grin

Unofficial Landers Nolley score keeper

We got somebody?

Tales told of battles won
Of things we've done
Caligula would grin

Unofficial Landers Nolley score keeper

Darius pls

Its gotta be him or be a big surprise and be Henry Coleman

Tales told of battles won
Of things we've done
Caligula would grin

Unofficial Landers Nolley score keeper

Just got a new Crystal ball for Maddox from Matej Sis

Little Bobby Tables told me my signature was false

Took me way too long to realize what "CG S/O" stood for. Took even longer for me to "see what you did there".

I'm still lost...lol

February..'96...the steak: ribeye, the whiskey:Lagavulin 16, the lady next to me: a bit**.....

Complete game shut out.

Greg Maddux threw a couple in his day.

"What are you going to do, stab me? - Quote from Man Stabbed

If you're not sure if my comment warrants a "/s", it probably does.

It's a reference to Maddux (the baseball player) to hint that CMY sealed the deal with Maddox who was on an OV this week.

thrown a CG S/O on fewer than 100 pitches

I read this in confusion far too many times before scrolling down to see the translation

Now finish up them taters; I'm gonna go fondle my sweaters.

Ya even on the free side of 247 they've pretty much confirmed we got Maddox. Said it'll be announced within 48 hours maybe sooner.

Thank you Darius

Rumor is (completely made up by me at this very moment) that he's related to the retired Braves pitching legend.

Weird since Greg Maddux spells his last name differently. And is a white guy.

Joffrey, Cersei, Ilyn Payne, the Hound, Jeff Jagodzinski, Paul Johnson, Pat Narduzzi.

Don't mean nothing. Somewhere down the line they're related.

uva - the taint of the ACC
XL Jockstraps 34 - Ascots 31
#15 Straight

We're all brothers and sisters, you know what I mean?

Little Bobby Tables told me my signature was false

I mean, ok, so we haven't received confirmation that they're related, but we ALSO haven't received proof they're not.

The doll's trying to kill me and the toaster's been laughing at me.

Is it completely unreasonable to ask if Mike Young is actually a better recruiter than Buzz was at this stage of his VT tenure?

That's not a rhetorical question, I'm asking the basketball gurus on here to compare them at this stage.

The doll's trying to kill me and the toaster's been laughing at me.

Waaaaaay too early to tell. We'll have to wait a few years to see that. However, it does appear that Mike Young is as big a player if not bigger than Buzz for the higher rated recruits. That said, Buzz is one of the best in the business (behind Chris Beard) at getting the underrated diamonds in the rough. Buzz arguably laid the groundwork for recruiting though and he did get very highly rated recruits like Nickeil, Clarke, Hill, Nolley, etc.

Mike Young is doing a great job so far, but I don't get why people keep wanting to turn this into a competition with Buzz. What matters is Coach Young vs the other ACC coaches, not Coach Young vs Coach Buzz (well, unless we're going after the same target as A&M...)

The way Buzz left means some people are gonna look at it as a competition, especially at first. It is what it is.

I also agree with 20hokie20's comment below, I don't doubt CMY and his love of VT shines through but his crack assistant staff cannot be overlooked.

21st century QBs Undefeated vs UVA:
MV7, MV5, LT3, Josh Jackson, Jerod Evans, Michael Brewer, Tyrod Taylor, Sean Glennon, and Grant Noel. That's right, UVA. You couldn't beat Grant Noel.

I'm asking about the comparison more in terms of whether we can expect to continue the type of success VT had under Buzz. Obviously I'm not expecting us to be world beaters this season, but if we're pulling in multiple top-100 players, we should be kicking ass again sooner rather than later, right?

The doll's trying to kill me and the toaster's been laughing at me.

We are going to be competing at an even higher level than we were with Buzz IMO

MY's biggest recruiting success in my mind was going out and getting Frazier and Jackson as assistant coaches while retaining Webster. Those guys have been killing it on the recruiting trail and need to get some of the credit.

Its kind of apples to oranges. At this stage Mike Young looks light years ahead of Buzz but the programs they took over were completely different. Buzz took over a cellar dweller and quickly resurrected it to the point that Mike Young received it. Now Buzz took talent with him, but Young is able to point to how VT has now shown the success they are able to have with the right guys.

The one area that I think Young has greatly improved on over Buzz is the assistant coaching staff. Buzz remained loyal to too many people that were not superstar recruiters. He brought in Webster which was a great move but once Isaac Chew left and Buzz decided to promote from within rather than bring another talented recruiter in, they did seem to lose some momentum. A lot of that was counteracted by the Canadian pipeline they experienced with McNeilly as an assistant. Buzz had 7 guys either in our program or has them at A&M now that came through the Canadian pipeline.

All three of Young's hires are top notch recruiters and as they improve year over year their job will be made that much easier to get the top kids.

I said this after we got Bamisile, but if we get Maddox, our backcourt is looking very good for the future.

In 2020-21 we could have Bede (Sr.), Cone (So.), Bamisile (Fr.), Maddox (Fr.), etc.

Not to mention Kabongo if he comes back healthy. Need another wing/forward like Nolley and another big man to round out the class.

Wilkins as a junior too. He can kind of fit that wing/forward role. Then at center we'll have Ojiako with a year of experience and Aluma. Things are probably gonna be rough this season, but I'm already kinda excited for the next season.

IF Maddox commits phase 1, i.e., filling the roster for 20-21 (at least on paper), is complete. This includes 3 low post players (Aluma, Ojiako, Horne) and TEN perimeter players (Cone, Bede, Alleyne, Cattoor, Bamisile, Maddox, Radford, Nolley, Wilkins, Kabongo).

Also note they'll still be recruiting...so phase 2 , i.e., upgrading the roster, will be underway. VT needs stretch 4's and Hall and Coleman are prime targets...Foster, if they could get him, would be top of the list. I wouldn't say VT leads for any of the three. But they'd certainly take commits from any 2 of them, maybe all 3.

With an ideal roster, Young likes to rotate 3-4 bigs, and 5-6 perimeter guys. All of the 2020 signees, however many that turns out to be, are going to play. The practical reality this year is if a player isn't redshirting...AND isn't playing...they are prime candidates for the portal after the season.

I wouldn't be surprised if Kabongo is ultimately offered a medical and a couple others transfer after the season.

Yeah like you said that's an absurd amount of perimeter players so whoever is furthest down on the depth chart will probably transfer because they won't play at all.

and a couple other FR's that just enrolled.

If he's at Paxon, grades/test scores won't be an issue

See that's the problem. The NCAA doesn't care about Tech having too low of scores, it's when we have too high of scores. This kids screwed.

Gobble Till You Wobble

170? I dont think I've seen 170 since about 10th grade over 20 years ago. Do Basketball Players lift weights in HS?

Not enough to overcome the wind sprints they do. You also have to remember that a lot of these guys go through 6-10 inch growth spurts in less than a years time so their body is in catch up mode weight wise a lot of times, especially if they aren't on a college level bulk up type plan. Not many high schools or AAU programs have strength coaches.

We called them suicides when I was playing in high school. We would do 10 suicides, squats, 6 flights, then do it all over again for about an hour. I was 167lbs. I'll NEVER see that weight again hahaha.

Just my ramblings...

I'm reading comments that relate Coach Young to Buzz in different ways... I just wonder why?

Buzz is gone and it's my guess is that he's given very little thought to VT since he stepped off the plane in TX.
Most of his players are gone.
CMY is recruiting (what looks to be) a very different size and style of player.
All of Buzz's branding, social media, style, quotes, videos - all gone!

Don't get me wrong, I really enjoyed the past few years, but to be honest, it was mutual use. Buzz got to try his shit out to see if it would work on a bigger stage to get (what he considers) a better gig, and VT got a shot in the arm to elevate the future of the program.

I guess what I'm saying is, with all due respect, I'm over Coach Williams. Looks like the new guy is smart, gonna do it with a talented staff, knows how to game coach and so far, his plan seems to be achieving (very) early results.

It looks to me like a 2-3 year rebuild and it's going to get really old if we keep comparing apples to oranges. I'm really excited to see what's gonna happen with the rebuild and Buzz (to me) is only a fond memory.

Go CMY and go Hokies!

Now finish up them taters; I'm gonna go fondle my sweaters.

Buzz was never here long term.

Mike Young is 56, he coached in the same place for 30 years and now he's back home. Lets not forget that he spent the first 26 years of his life in SWVA. I'm sure it means quite a bit to him.

I say all that to say: this could be it for him. This could be where he retires from.

I'm not saying Buzz didn't put 100% into the job (Buzz seems to put 100% into literally everything he does) but maybe CMY's authenticity is showing through in a way that Buzz's just couldn't.

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Yeah and that's perfectly fine. If we were told in 2014 that Buzz would come, lead us to 3 consecutive tournaments and eventually the sweet 16, then leave for his dream job, we would absolutely take that deal. Now we're in a position that a coach like Mike Young can (hopefully) stay here for a decade with a lot of success. Buzz is not a long term guy (left Marquette after a similar number of seasons). Coach Young is definitely a long term guy - he was at Wofford forever, and VT was the one job he wanted to leave for. They are pretty much *opposites, but both good in their own ways. That's why the comparisons are silly.

*edited for grammar

I don't really get the sour grapes around Buzz.

I don't think anyone can criticize his commitment to VT while he was here, every coach takes recruits/assistants with them etc.

He did a lot for us and we were inches away from an Elite Eight in his final year. He left the overall program in a better place than he found it, save for the recruits.

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I think there is some valid criticisms to be had regarding his use of official visits prior to taking the job at aTm, leaving us with (almost?) none left, at a time when we had no recruits because they followed him to his new job. There may be some valid criticisms that he was recruiting them to aTm, not VT, at the time. I think we can criticize some of his actions prior to the announcement that he was leaving.

But criticisms that he left VT for his dream job? Nah, not doing it.

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Yeah I mean the end game in that situation is always a little sticky. I'm sure he knew he was going to aTm for quite a while, so I don't know what the expectations should be.

Does he lie to recruits?

It'd be another thing if as soon as the season ended aTm calls him out of the blue and he's completely shocked by them offering a job.

But you're right, it's never going to sit well when a lame duck coach isn't putting his all into recruiting for the school he's leaving. Can't blame fans for not loving that, but don't know what else any other coach would have done in that situation.

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Especially a lame duck coach using all of the university's allowed recruiting trips before he leaves.

I'm actually losing track of how many high 4/5 star recruits were getting and competing for. As somebody who attended from 2011-15 and was always rooting for a last place team that's still just completely wild to me.

You deserve this for not going to the Pitt game with me...

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From all the accounts I've heard from, this should be good news.

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Top 15 shooting guard in the country. Top 100 player overall.

Stoked

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This could end up as a top 15-20 class.

Wet stuff on the red stuff.

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247 calculator says this puts us ranked 10th.
With the other big names we are landing in top 5's for this could be a special class

Xavier Foster pls

Henry Coleman pls

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Of things we've done
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I can't stop watching that GIF - WTF?

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Its official

Wow...congrats to Mike Young and Staff. Absolutely stellar start to his VT tenure, recruiting better than nearly any expectation.

2019 may be a rough year (although I am cautiously optomistic that we will surprize some people), but the future looks very bright.

FWIW, I have a source within the program who has told me that the key factor here was that G'towns cafeteria does not offer Turkey Bacon..lmao

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BAM!

uva - the taint of the ACC
XL Jockstraps 34 - Ascots 31
#15 Straight

Y'all didn't believe everyone when they said 2020 was the year

Always choose joy.

Very early but can't imagine a better start to The CMY era. GREAT assistant hires, and now all these commits, transfers, keeping Nolley.....may not see results in 19/20 but things are looking very,very good for the future.

Some excerpts from an interview where Maddox details his decision

First, because all of the assistant coaches on the staff recruited me before they got there," he said. "Christian Webster is actually my cousin, Chester Frazier recruited me at Kansas State and Antwon Jackson recruited me at Cincinnati. They like my game and it feels great when you have a bunch of guys who believe in you."

When I went on the official visit, it was just crazy and it was probably my best visit actually," Maddox said. "I did a bunch of things I've never done before like speed boating and a lot of other really fun activities. I realized that was the place for me after that

Christian Webster is actually my cousin

This seems like the kind of information nugget that should have been made a bigger deal on the recruiting news sites beforehand. Like we were basically listed as a "cool" or "cold" or whatever equivalent a lot of places prior to the last couple of weeks. That relationship alone would bump up the chances if I was putting together one of those scouting sheets. Maybe none of the insiders knew that connection?

I did a bunch of things I've never done before like speed boating

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What we could have on the floor at any given point in the 2021 season*

Cone at the point #8 PG, #97 OA .9572
Bamisile at one wing #13 SG, #62 OA .9748
Maddox at the second wing, #15 SG, #75 OA, .9687
Nolley at the third wing, #15 SF, #67 OA, .9752
Ojiako at the post, #51 PF, #242 OA, .8818

* so far

Never Forget #1 Overall Seed UVA 54, #64 UMBC 74

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PJ Hall is visiting this weekend on an unofficial, per Corey Evans. Will also take an OV to VT in October.

Not sure how to embed profile, but Top 70 recruit, #10 SF.

That's awesome to hear. He would be the PERFECT person to close out the 2020 class. With PJ, Aluma, and Ojaiko down low and a litany of scoring options in the back court, we are only looking at a 1 year NCAA Tourney hiatus.

I really do think we got a strong chance to pull Coleman by the way

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Of things we've done
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Unofficial Landers Nolley score keeper

I was watching the last minutes of the '95 Tech/loluva game the other day and heard Hank Coleman's name after he made a tackle.

Karma???

That you were watching the 95 Tech/UVA game is always going to be good karma for VT. They were ranked #13 and we were # 20 when we beat them that year. That was when VT/UVA was a true rivalry.

My roommate in Pheasant Run had Hank Coleman in one of his classes that year and he never stopped telling us about that, lol. That defense, with JC Price, Cornell Brown, George Del Rico, Brandon Semones, Torrian Gray, Antonio Banks and Loren Johnson was absolutely dominant.

When I talked to FS Willie Pile in 2001, he said they still watched tape of the 1995 defense because the technique of that unit was basically perfect, and he particularly mentioned JC Price as an example of how to play defense.

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Which of JC Price's achievements was greater?

a) Key member of the dominant 1995 defense
b) Played a few years in the NFL
c) Current DL coach at Marshall
d) Married Jenny Root

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Who the heck is Jenny Root?

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Explain it to me...like I'm a 4 year old

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Pls

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Keon pls

I'm all aboot getting some new Canadian players in the system, eh?

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Xavier Foster official visit Sept 11 - 13. 4 star, top 50, 7 footer.

FOSTER

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Every time I look we seem to add another top 5 for a high 4 star! How many more can we take????? WOW!!!!

How many more can we take?????

I'd say all of them, since I've heard that the numbers will always work out

Never Forget #1 Overall Seed UVA 54, #64 UMBC 74

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If we can snag one of the four guys, it'll be one of the best halls in the history of the program: PJ Hall, Henry Coleman, Mark Williams or Xavier Foster. Lean towards Williams because of his size and what it will mean for recruiting in the long run.

Both Henry and Williams would be great since they're from Virginia. (I just like the idea of Va kids choosing Tech). But both might be 'one and done'. Foster, maybe not, based solely on his offers. I'd like to get someone who'll be here more than one year.

Rev Zeke said Foster was the most talented guy we were recruiting.

I'm sure he is and I think he's a more realistic get to boot.

Like I mentioned before, Williams' sister is a Duke alum and a WNBA player. He plays at Norfolk Academy which is a very "bougie" school in the 757 (I went to a similar high school in RVA, the culture of those schools overrate academic prestige) and he's the son of a doctor. Given Duke's academic pedigree, prior family history and the lure/track record of Coach K makes it enviable (at least in my eyes) that he's going to be a Blue Devil.

If CMY snags him, I think it would be a more impressive get than Bamisile or Maddox.

I think we are going to back into Coleman. He wants to go to Duke but I think they slow play him, take another kid or two in front of him and without UVA, we are his next best option.

I would love to get Hall but I'm sure he will follow his sister to UF.

The kid from Iowa looks like a great player but I'm sure he will pick ISU or Iowa.

I haven't thought at all about Williams because, like you said, I think he will end up at Duke

I think we are going to back into Coleman

My issue with Coleman is his height (6'6"). He's thicc so he could easily play forward alongside Nolley but I would really love a guy who could be the defensive anchor in a pinch. Based on his 247 profile, he seems like a Montrezl Harrell-type. That would be awesome but I would have my doubts about him handling guys that are 4-6 inches taller than him. Not saying he can't do it but obviously the track record with guys his size isn't great.

If Ojiako pans out, I feel far more comfortable bringing in Coleman as a combo forward with Aluma and Ojiako as our rim protectors.

We have Aluma for 2 years starting in 2020 with Ojiako so with Nolley and Coleman at the 3/4 maybe not too much an issue.

'Its easy to grin, when your ship comes in, and you've got the stock market beat,
but the man worthwhile, is the man who can smile, when his shorts are too tight in the seat'

(I just like the idea of Va kids choosing Tech).

I'm the same way. I want our teams to be representative of the commonwealth but not at the expense of actual talent or character.

Ironically, Henry Coleman has set his commitment date for Sept. 27th, which happens to be the Duke @ VT Friday night game. He has visited Duke and VT the last two weeks. Take this FWIW.

So, he's committing to both?

So, he's committing to the winner?

Might be best to put this in the September thread, and have this thread closed.

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Is it really that big of a deal? I used one that was labeled CMYball recruiting

Not a big deal. Just pointing out that this thread is labelled "CMYBALL RECRUITING - August 2019", and that there is a thread labelled CMYBALL RECRUITING - September 2019.

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