Report: WR DeJuan Ellis in the NCAA Transfer Portal

247Sports reports Virginia Tech redshirt freshman wideout DeJuan Ellis has logged his name in the NCAA Transfer Portal.

https://247sports.com/college/virginia-tech/Article/Dejuan-Ellis-enters-...

The talented Ellis waffled on his Hokies commitment, ultimately signed as a QB, switched to WR, and is now poised to leave the program.

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I was like "where the heck did my post go?"

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I ain't scrr'd.

I see this as: "We have too many weapons, I won't get enough playing time"

Hope he stays put or lands where he's supposed to.

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Wish him the best of luck however it shakes out.

Thought he had a chance to be good. However, I don't really think this hurts us. We are so loaded at WR he probably isn't the last guy from that group that'll enter the portal in the next few years. What sucks is it looks bad. Another kid in the portal. People will keep asking what is going on at VT? Also, is he really going to give up that easily? Hopefully that means Robinson looks really really good.

Shouldn't look bad unless you follow nobody but the good guys. Happening everywhere......it is the new normal like it or not ( and I hate it).

This is an example of where the transfer portal becomes a disservice. He hasn't played a game and after 1 week of practice he wants to leave - bad look. As a coach is that the type of guy you want? Some might say I'll give it a shot, while others will steer away.

He is a talented kid and this comes across as impatience. No matter where he goes he will have the same things he has to improve upon. I hope he does well, but don't think this is wise.

The Hokies are talented here so attrition isn't ultimately surprising at receiver - just the timing is bad on on his part.

Maybe he'll reconsider.

Basically, T. Robinson has looked great in practice and has passed him on the depth chart.

And he quit after 1 week of practice - pitiful.

Not really. You get 4 years at the most to prove yourself to NFL scouts. Most players get 2. Ellis was most likely going to get less. Why waste time?

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What does he accomplish by quitting before the season when you have to sit out? Why not play and see if you can prove yourself? Now you sit out the fall, don't play in a game and essentially start over somewhere else (all while learning a new position). This is primadona bs - I vote bye.

Also, NFL? He hasn't played a college game yet. If you are 3rd team slot at VT I think talking NFL is premature. The NFL requires people who don't quit after a week of practice and getting beat out - this will stick to some people in a bad way.

It is not a good look, in terms of proving yourself to NFL scouts, if he leaves because he is getting passed on the depth chart. If you saw the Redskins game, Damon Sheey-Guiseppi took a kick back all the way and he has an amazing story-- great speed, lied his way into a Browns tryout, slept outside a gym waiting for the camp, and got signed for OTAs. Sheey-Guiseppi will probably end up on a practice squad because of his speed and the determination he showed in getting his opportunity.

Ellis is not showing a lot of competitive fire to me if he's entering the portal because Robinson is standing out. Hopefully he reconsiders and sticks around.

Agreed and in context - it's been 1 - count it folks - 1 week. Not exactly set in stone yet - or he is so far behind he deep down knows he isn't good enough. I would just go with it's an instant gratification mentality and see ya.

Yeah the NFL cares about transfers... except, you know, the last two #1 picks

Yup the bigger is a lot of the transfers haven't landed anywhere. Most that have are big name QBs or have experience. For as good as Kumah was last year he is at ODU. Where is a guy that hasnt played going to land?

for every kumah there is a hazelton/ ryan willis who climb up the college football landscape too. each situation is different. kumah had offers from ND/FSU and others, just like CC had interest from UGA, Syracuse, Louisville, and he ended up at ODU too.

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just wanted to leave this here as well. FAMU (florida a&m university) just signed their first 5 star player ever via the transfer portal. former UA all American calvin ashley former auburn tiger commit. that's a HBC signing a 5 star recruit. deandre francios.... hell be attending Hampton U next year. he went from the starting QB of a P5 football team that 3 years ago people thought would take FSU back to the promise land and former high 4star is now at an FCS/ HBC. trying to make sense of anything in the transfer portal is brutal. francios could have played anywhere as a grad transfer. I highly doubt Hampton was his best offer.

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I thought he was going to play for Lane Kiffin at FAU.

francios could have played anywhere as a grad transfer

That's not true, he had, let's call it "domestic incidents" attached to his reputation. No P5 school was going to touch him.

If Kumah had real offers from ND and FSU, he wouldn't be at ODU.

He could but it would be as your on special teams and maybe a replacement so he went where he is going to get catches.

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Doesn't bode well for his NFL chances if "real" programs don't want him as at least a WR2.

doesn't have elite speed, not a great route runner, but hes proven he can make plays. the schools I mentioned above he would have played at but not been WR1 or 2 and likely been counted on more to bring in a leadership, roll to the room more so than on field production, hes starting at the Z position at a school a lot closer to home for him than those other schools (which I think factored in for him)

one thing about the NFL though, they will find talent. you don't have to be at the big schools anymore. he was never going to be a 1-3 round draft pick no matter where he went. if he can have a good year at ODU he can position himself to be a late round pick and I don't think he would go much higher or lower had he stayed at VT gone to FSU, ND, or anywhere else.

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Quitting when you are 3rd on depth chart and before you have ever played a game won't impress NFL scouts.

If he blows up at another school given the opportunity of more playing time, do you think NFL scouts are going to care that he transferred his freshman year of college? Let's be realistic.

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I agree with you there - just think the odds of that are far fetched. The combination of that attitude and his skill-set with the fact it's another time lapse in his development makes talk of the NFL hilarious at this stage. He needs to practice, improve, play, condition himself and do it all over again for years to be a legit NFL talent. If he was NFL talent he wouldn't be a 3rd string slot receiver who quits. This action/drama describes someone who is soft and soft doesn't make the NFL.

All people talk about are two or three highlights of transfers. There are lots of kids who end up with nothing or downgrading their situation. I don't want anything bad for anyone, just making the point that actions have consequences and there is a solid chance those consequences will be detrimental vs. positive for his football playing future.

Increasing the odds from "zero" to "near zero" seems like it would be worth transferring, especially if it doesn't actually cost him anything.

Hard agree with this. If this were a business, he'd be advised to fail quickly until he finds a product/market fit. That's exactly what he's doing now. Between competition (and possibly other factors), it appears (to him) that the best use of his time would be at another school.

Even if you don't subscribe to the 'fail fast' methodology, you at least have to recognize that we don't know what the situation is - it's very possible that Fuente could have approached him and said "Our WR room is getting better and better, and in all likelihood you won't see the field for at least 2 years, if not longer. We like your attitude, we're happy to keep you on the team and honor your scholarship, but if playing time is important to you, it may be in your best interest to transfer and not waste a year of eligibility."

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Great perspective! And just like in business, probably not smart to burn bridges on your way out.

Wow, I'm pretty shocked. I thought Ellis was going to be very good and show that speed out of the slot this year. That must mean Robinson is really showing out. I don't think he had quite the same top end speed as Ellis, but he must be doing really well.

And just like that, looks like a family member is putting the program on blast on the 247 FB post. I still haven't figured out if we just have a bunch of bad apples on the team or Fu really knows how to burn bridges.

Of course they are

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The mom is talking shit about Tayvion running a 4.8 40 in high school. Their is much more things in football other than just having speed

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We are in great hands with Grimz and Tayvion.

I hope he finds a good landing spot. He's a great athlete.

Next man up.

That requires people to stay on the team.

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Let me clarify since this will get people all wound up. We are one of the top teams with regard to number of individuals to enter the transfer portal. Even if the end result of that is more cohesion on the team, better culture, etc. it is still frustrating to have that many people want to leave the program; regardless of how we got to that place because I don't claim to know origin of the various situations.

If and when he ends up at another program, I really do hope him all the success in the world, but to say this level of attempting attrition isn't an indictment on something doesn't check out. Every situation is different, and players need to do what is in their best interest, but at some point this will start impacting future recruiting in my opinion.

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I'm going to throw this out there without looking for data. Are we?

Show me the numbers that we are in the Top 10 in number of players entering the portal.

All right, I'll run the math and get back to you on this.

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Team stats to make it at little easier to read.

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Leg for pulling the Stats. Respect. Credit where it's due.

Trevon Hill is on that list which hardly counts as a transfer, but that still would leave VT inside the top 10.

Leg back, seriously don't want to be negative about it, but I think there is a possibility for us to improve. I don't know, I think. Would gladly be dead wrong because that means there wasn't an issue.

Also 247 website is rough so just the Excel work was a pain in the ass. Cheers!

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nevermind, didn't read below first which basically says what I said

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This ain't a VT specific thing. Go look at the transfer portal. It's going on at Bama, Clemson, Georgia, Texas, Auburn, etc. We've also gotten plenty of incoming transfers that made an impact over the last few years - Brewer, Evans, Hazleton, Willis just to name a few.

Penn State had more transfers than we did. However, we have had quite a few.

I think after this season and spring PSU is going to have a few more.

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Agreed - this is a sign of the times

I did.

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at some point this will start impacting future recruiting in my opinion.

I'm pretty sure it's already having a negative impact on our 2020 class.

If Ellis leaves it probably won't really have a noticeable impact on the field because of our WR depth. But it adds fuel to the "what's wrong with the VT program" argument that I'm sure opposing recruiters are already using.

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Well then, since Penn State has had more players enter the portal than us, I hope to hell it starts impacting their recruiting, but I doubt it. This is more a sign of the times than a condemnation of the program. I just don't get it when a player with so much promise decides to leave after a week, unless some kind of incident prompted this. But transferring because you see competition for playing time is not a good look. Whatever happened to sticking it out and fighting for playing time as a member of a TEAM?

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If we are holding intense competition for starting spots, that's fantastic. But it's a little alarming that most of the people who decide to leave after getting passed on the depth chart are giving Fu/the program the proverbial middle finger as they walk out the door. Even the ones who were publicly nice when they transferred out seem to like a lot of twitter posts by others who are trashing Fu/the program. Either we have had a lot of bad attitudes on the team or people just haven't bought into/don't seem to like Fu.

I'm glad we seem to be building a more cohesive culture, but if turnover like this happens every year and people put the coaches on blast when they leave, I really hope we win and win convincingly. The tough guy attitude won't hold water when you're losing.

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Exactly

It is weird, and I wonder if there is the same contention on social media at other schools where there has been a lot of attrition? My impression though is that Fuente basically just has very little tolerance for guys that aren't team players or have the right work ethic. We've heard about coaches like Urban Meyer and Jimbo Fisher on the other end of the spectrum who let their elite athletes get away with stuff. Those guys have won championships, but they've also left programs in flames. Of the two I prefer Fuente, but I guess the jury is still out on whether or not he has or can find the necessary balance to attract and retain talent.

The narrative was that Beamer's kids were the problems and now that they're gone there are no attitude issues. Not sure how that will hold up since Ellis was a Fuente recruit.

Savoy was Fuente too. But I don't think as it being Beamers guys as much as they signed up for A) and now have B) so they wanted to make their choice again.

Not exactly. Recall that we went through this with Cam Goode as a Fuente recruit last summer actually. Every program has players leave so it's reasonable that some Fuente recruits would leave as well. Obviously we shouldn't be sustaining as many player losses as we've had in the past 12 months annually, but if it was a conflagration of "disgruntled former Beamer players + typical attrition" then we could still be ok moving forward.

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Sure, but the explanation for the upheaval was that it was Beamer's kids had attitude problems (never mind that the record's been getting worse as Beamer's kids have left the program). Things were supposed to be better now that all those troublesome kids were gone.

That's a bit of an exaggeration, and hopefully things are better now.

Fuente's recruits are, of course, younger.

In my opinion, one additional transfer isn't sufficient evidence to show that things are not better within the locker room. No coach or program has 100% retention so a few transfers should always be expected.

Now if the argument is that even ignoring the contentious departure of some Beamer recruits, the situations with Tahj Capehart, Cam Goode, Sean Savoy, Josh Jackson, Hendon Hooker, and DeJuan Ellis add up to provide enough evidence an inherent problem with Fuente's approach moving forward, I'm more willing to listen and in fact share some of those concerns.

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Last night I was just thinking about how much we've been hearing about Robinson. And also how little we'd heard anything about Ellis since Spring, wondering if this was going to happen.
I've been thinking about an another effect of the portal that I haven't heard anyone talk about. What if there had been some die hard VT loving kid that was dying to be a Hokie...but we were out of scholarships. And then there's this kid that wants to up and leave when he faces some competition.

This is the world we are in with the transfer portal. I don't know all the mechanics of it but is he able to up and leave and enroll at another school prior to the season?? I mean classes being pretty quickly. But it's bound to happen. Look at what's his name that committed to us and then committed to auburn and then left auburn same situation (I think). Burmeister same deal. When kids realize they are gonna be buried on the depth chart they are gonna look to go somewhere else to play. They want their shot to impress and hopefully be good enough to get looked at by the NFL. He may be great somewhere else. He may not. Good luck to him either way just think the timing is a little weird. Perhaps he thinks he's not gonna play this year here anyways so might as well sit somewhere else a year where his chances on the depth chart are decent.

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Look on the bright side, this is what depth does in this particular scenario involving Ellis. The losses of Jackson, Kumah, Savoy, Cunningham, and now Ellis on the offense, along with Hill, Kearney, Goode, and Watts on the defense and Stout on special teams make other teams willing to sleep on Tech and say look how much they lost, and they actually believe UVA will be better than Tech. I believe we have and we will recover from every loss because the depth is there along with the buy in and attitude. I think this Hokies team overall is deeper at more positions than any other Hokie team this decade and I love that teams will sleep on us thinking we have lost too much and are playing with backups now.

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Another angle on this is that Fuente talked about Mitchell playing different roles WR ,TE and slot or HB so to create mismatch for the defenses and add Beck as probable RB - HB guy with speed . He may have been looking at being with little or no playing time and decided to go now and not waste another year of eligibility . He was a good athlete with very good speed but we also have Turner , Beck , King , Mitchell , Payout and others that have speed too and Bowick big body and quick that can play inside also . My guess is he was not going to be a factor and decided he wants to try to find another place that may fit him better .

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this image was just starting to not trigger me, too

21st century QBs Undefeated vs UVA:
MV7, MV5, LT3, Josh Jackson, Jerod Evans, Michael Brewer, Tyrod Taylor, Sean Glennon, and Grant Noel. That's right, UVA. You couldn't beat Grant Noel.

What happened? I'm searching and can't find evidence of a ban hammer.

I'm not sure the reason but yes he got banned for unknown amount of time. He posted the press conference breakdown link on Hokie sports. He felt information like that which was already on the HokieSports website in video form shouldn't have been behind TKPC paywall.
I'm hoping Joe reaches out and they can have a conversation because Shark is good people.

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i felt the same way and actually considered doing that, but instead i just went to hokiesports and read the notes...TSL had notes, HokieSports had notes, i just pieced it together...shout out to Henry though for putting every thing together

I applaud VT for making the press conferences available on line so everyone can have the feed and don't rely on reporters or so called insiders for their interpretations. You can read the articles as they filter out of the very same press conference over next 3 days .

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Thanks for filling me in.

And this is why we sign so many receivers

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If that's the case, let's please get to the point where we're saying the same thing when we have DEs leave the program.

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Hate to see it. Proves a point that I have always thought, speed is not a dominant football characteristic.

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Ellis showed the ability to get open underneath coverage and wiggle after the fact back in the spring game. In my soon to be published preview of the Virginia Tech offense, I discussed how Ellis and Robinson were running threats that make the jet sweep series more dangerous, and that perhaps Grimsley would move outside and Turner would play in the slot on third downs. It looks like some editing may be in order.

Hopefully this means Robinson is standing out. Still, Turner needs more touches and he got them when he started to take some more reps aligned in the slot.

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Isn't he an an RS freshman? I mean there's lots of playing time in the next 4 years

Sure, but he's on a two year plan. Well, three if you count the year he's going to sit out.

But hopefully he reconsiders.

I do understand that each case is different....

is a school required to take a player back if they enter the portal and then want a "do-over"???

We are starting to build quality depth in many areas... Do we want players to stay with such a lack of loyalty and commitment? Wasn't this the crap Fuente and company fought to remove over the last few years?

Maybe it's about time to say enough is enough and start helping them pack. How bout we say "thank you and good luck".

Applied openly and fairly - Expectations, competition, loyalty to team are GOOD things!

if I remember correctly he de- and then recommitted before he even got here

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MV7, MV5, LT3, Josh Jackson, Jerod Evans, Michael Brewer, Tyrod Taylor, Sean Glennon, and Grant Noel. That's right, UVA. You couldn't beat Grant Noel.

Yeah, given that history, entering the portal right now doesn't look like a career-strengthening move.

Yeah, I'm not sure how that works, but it can't really be good for generating opportunities.

Seems like an odd time to enter the portal right now.

Word on the street is he wants to play wherever Camron Kelly is gonna play

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So...

800% committed, just doesn't know where?

No we do not have to give him his scholarship back

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Disappointing he was only a RS Freshman and hadn't even played. I was excited about him.

The portal is pretty obnoxious if this is how it's going to be utilized - a kid who hasn't even played a snap is getting sassy he got passed on the depth chart. You're a freshman, guy! Come on. We need depth.

USCe just had a highly touted RB just enter after Feaster got there.

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Well, it's settled.

Tayvion Robinson is winning the fucking Heisman.

This is good TKPing

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I wasn't convinced Ellis would find a lot of playing time once Robinson started showing out. Ellis was a quarterback in high school, and a lot of times that transition to wide receiver is difficult, especially in the slot where passes get to the receiver much quicker than on the outside.

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Fuente is in an almost impossible position right now, and I don't envy him in the slightest.

The honeymoon was clearly over last year and the hope going into and coming out of the Spring was that Fuente had finally begun to put his thumbprint on the VT football program.

Then... Bud announces retirement... Then yet another player hits the portal...

No matter how positive an individual you are, the entire narrative of his tenure is "unsettled" at best. I hope, both for his sake and for the sake of the program, that the team greatly exceeds expectations this season and therefore begin to solidify himself as a really good P-5 football coach.

Is it basketball season yet?

I appreciate your perspective but I would say I am alot more positive view of the direction of the program.

As mentioned before, Fuente wasnt able to just chase all of cancerous players off like buzz because he has a much larger roster and some of the knuckleheads were starters and talented ball players.

Fuente now has his guys, the locker room morale, and an easy schedule to build some momentum. I am exciting for the season to start just so we can see how the product has improved. 9 or 10 wins is easily in reach and puts us right back where we need to be.

Fuente now has his guys, the locker room morale, and an easy schedule to build some momentum. I am exciting for the season to start just so we can see how the product has improved. 9 or 10 wins is easily in reach and puts us right back where we need to be.

I'm not quite as optimistic as you are about the state of the program, but you do make some really good points about how we are positioned for this season.

The one thing I would disagree with is saying 9 or 10 wins is easily within reach. Our season would have to go nearly perfectly for us to win 9 or 10 games. Not saying it can't happen, but we'd have to stay almost injury free and win every single one of our 50/50 games.

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I'm not necessarily positive or negative, I'm honestly in a "wait and see" posture with Fuente and co. I think at the very least the public perception of the program is not very good right now, and it doesn't seem to be getting better. All of that can change this season...

I do happen to think 9 or 10 wins should be fairly easy - and no, things would not have to go nearly perfect for that to happen. Outside of Miami and ND, we don't play a terribly good team all season long (maybe LOLUVA).

Is it basketball season yet?

A 9 or 10 win season is never "easy".

This is a point I've made for years, but for some folks, even here, 9 or 10 wins wasn't enough when we had the streak going, and it won't be enough for them now.

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I hear you. "Easy" might be too liberal a term. How about "reasonably"?

Seriously, outside of Miami and ND, we should "reasonably" win every game this year. Every other team on our schedule either has far less talent than VT or is going to be in some sort of rebuild. I know that doesn't guarantee wins, but on paper, Fuente has a great path to success in 2019.

Is it basketball season yet?

Outside of ND and Miami, we have a couple games that are little better than tossups, and a few more that aren't exactly "easy". We're favored, sure, but I'll also remind you that we haven't gone through an entire season without suffering at least one big upset since at least 2011, and I'm not sure this team is the one to break that particular streak. Upsets happen, even to really good teams, and we have a lot of potential upsets this year that wouldn't surprise anyone from outside of our fanbase.

Hopefully as we mature and increase depth those let down games will be won.

My hope is this year and this team "learns how to win" those games.

How hard could it be? We did it for a decade with only half a team..

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This is exactly my point. Even when we were regularly sending 8 or 9 guys a year into the NFL (like we did in 2002, 2006 and 2008) is wasn't "easy" to win 10 games. Players had to grind and to bleed, and to sweat their asses off, and we had to dominate on defense and persevere in close games to get those double digit wins.

So when people here talk about it being easy to win 9 or 10, or say "we better" or "we should" win like we did in the 2000s, it just makes me facepalm.

10 wins is hard as hell, and there's only a few programs in the country that should have that as a reasonable expectation in 2019. And unfortunately we're not one of them, not right now at least.

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We've literally never had a schedule like this... For the last 30 years of VT football, there hasn't been an easier schedule.

I'll digress on "easy", but it isn't unreasonable to expect 9-10 wins this year.

Is it basketball season yet?

We've got a good schedule, but we won't know how "easy" it was until the end of the season.

Even when you have easy opponents, there are LOTS of ways to screw it up. The preseason is the easiest part of the season. I never "expect" wins, as shit just tends to happen, and it happens more when you stop doing the work and start expecting things to fall in your lap.

Overconfidence and complacency are stealers of wins, and the easy teams often surprise you by being better than you think, even if it's just that one game when you play them. (See ODU vs VT, 2018)

I agree. And controlling injuries is impossible. However, and this is the point that needs to be reinforced IMO, for Fuente to show marked improvement over last years team he needs to win at least 9 games.

If the team $h1t$ the bed on a couple of games that we have no business losing (there are 6 of those on the schedule) and then drops a couple more that are are winnable (there are 4 of those), Fuente will not have moved the team forward from last season.

Is it basketball season yet?

If he wins 7 games, beats UVA, beats ODU, and doesn't have to schedule another game at the end of the season in order to attain bowl eligibility, it's an improvement over last season.

After that, this is mostly just speculation, because after wins, style points count for a LOT in the game of college football. There are lots of ways to improve over last year. A lot of it is in showing potential.

And a big job of Fuente's this year, in addition to improving the team, is he selection of a DC.

Yeah, I'm just in a different camp altogether here. 7 wins with this years schedule shows further regression in the program IMO.

Is it basketball season yet?

The difference is that I see no reason or need to make that call right now.

I think to make that assessment, one has to actually watch the games.

And it seems to me that the people most anxious to make that assessment right now are the folks who were opposed to Fuente at the end of last season.

I'm a big believer in serving no wine, and making no assessment, before it's time.

And it seems to me that the people most anxious to make that assessment right now are the folks who were opposed to Fuente at the end of last season.

This is a generalization, maybe an accurate one, but a generalization nonetheless. I was disappointed in last season, but I also see that the perfect storm was brewing before the season started, so I wasn't opposed to Fuente last season. I think that last season was an anomaly. But I'm certainly not bullish on Fuente right now.
At least not until I see how this season pans out. At which point, see my notes above.

Is it basketball season yet?

Let's just say we all want to see some good results this year.

If he wins 7 games, beats UVA, beats ODU... it's an improvement over last season

If we only have 7 wins with those 2 on the slate, it means we've lost to 5 of the following: @BC, Furman, Duke, @Miami, URI, UNC, @ND, WF, @GT, and Pitt. I'll give you @ Miami, @ND, and Pitt as games we probably can't be too terribly frustrated with if we lose. But that also means there will be 2 other games we lost that we really shouldn't. A team in year 4 under Fuente shouldn't be struggling against the likes of BC or Duke, or against a UNC or GT that just went through a coaching change this spring.

And that's the problem with this schedule. We HAVE to win 9 games just to show progress on our own quality of play. If we don't, people are going to be justifiably concerned about the direction of the program under the current regime. Maybe its unfair to say they have to win that many, but when you put together a schedule that includes two FCS teams and a home game against one of the worst FBS programs as your OOC slate when you're already playing in one of the weaker divisions in the Power 5 while avoiding all of the top end cross divisional schools, you've pretty much set yourself up for it.

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Largely agree with this, but you have to remove Pitt from the 'games we can't be too terribly frustrated if we lose category.' They were a .500 team last year that lost 4 OL starters, 2 1500 yard RBs, and didn't sign a single 4+ star player. They are in the same category as Duke, BC, UNC. I think some Wake and UVA are the next level of 'reasonable' teams to lose to.

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I only put them because they won the division last year, but yeah...

Just further underlines how poor this schedule is. Its not one for which you want to be trying to justify 4 or 5 losses when the season ends.

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We have what looks to be an easy season.

I just think it's a bad idea to set the expectation that "anything short of running the table is failure".

that is literally not what I said. You're over-simplifying and exaggerating my statements to discredit the argument.

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This is what you said:

We HAVE to win 9 games just to show progress on our own quality of play.

I'm saying that it's a bit exaggerated, and that what happens in the games, how they are executed, and final scores are going to matter in how the team gets assessed at the end of the season.

And I stand by that. With our schedule, we really need to win 9 games this year to really show progress.

I am saying we can still lose 25% of our games and it would still be ok. Which makes your statement of "anything short of running the table is failure" disingenuous at best.

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Trying to pretend that there's a super-huge, program-defining difference between winning 7 games and 9 games is a bit far-fetched, isn't it? You're trying to paint nuance on it, without the nuance in evidence.

I'm not excusing anything, but the "we're already giving him a 25% discount" off of what should be a perfect season is, as you put it, disingenuous.

I don't think you're trying to, but it comes across like you're already bracing for that blow and making excuses for it.

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No, I'm just saying "anything short of x is failure" is a bit arbitrary at this point, as well as focused on the wrong thing.

I don't think it should be considered arbitrary since he broke down who we are playing this year and gave his opinion on who he thought we should beat and who he thought was an acceptable loss.

As far as focusing on the wrong thing, would you prefer to hear "9 wins or more is a success"?

I understand wanting to be positive, we (myself especially) need to focus on being more positive. But I feel like based on your other comment you are already rushing to defend Fuente in the possible event of us not performing well this season.

I think it is healthy to set goals or benchmarks for the program to measure success and also to strive for improvement. We could argue what those goals should be, but it feels like you don't want goals at all because you want zero possibility of this season reflecting poorly on the staff.

I would love to hear your side.

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How do you figure I don't want goals? Are we saying that the goal should be 9 wins?

I'm just saying that coming up with a litmus test consisting of "anything less than 9 wins is abject failure" before the season starts is a pointless exercise.

My interpretation of that is that the naysayers want to draw a line in the sand. "Cross that line and I'm right!" I think football is a bit more nuanced than that, so I'd be unwilling to make that kind of statement.

I'll reserve judgment on the season until after I see the games.

Crazy, right?

This just reminds me of what the media tends to do: lay down a narrative, and repeat it until it sounds "truthy". There is no straight up number that anyone can come up with right now that will absolutely determine the season's success or failure. We'll have to actually watch the games. And that's kind of the fun of it.

I mean yes, exactly, it does sound like you don't want to set goals. Or at least you want to set goals after you have results.

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That's not what I wrote.

Do coaches set floor and ceiling limits? I don't think so. They strive to be as good as they can be. I guess perfection is the goal, but perhaps not the expectation. I'm not sure coaches have expectations for results as much as for effort.

So, the question is why do fans need to set goals. Will it make any difference? I think what we are talking about are expectations. I think we should be very careful about establishing W-L expectations though because there could be very valid reasons that come in to play that changes those expectations. Injuries are always the first thing I think of. If the injury bug hits, the results of a season could be beyond the staff's control. If we wait to judge the season until after the games are played, we can make a reasonable judgment.

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We are the shareholders. We are the reason this program exists. We set expectations because we want to see results from our financial and emotional investments.

At work, do you not have performance goals? Does your boss just say "be as good as you can be" then just turned you loose? Everywhere I've worked has at least tried to set measurable and achievable goals whether that's yields, cost savings, number of projects completed, raw pounds out the door, etc. If I meet those expectations I'm doing good, if I exceed them maybe I'm up for a raise, if I don't meet them maybe I get put on a performance plan or fired.

I don't understand why a subset of our fan base puts everyone in the athletic department on this pedestal and gives the godlike impunity. My guess is because we had Frank for so long, but it's weird to me.

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Only replying to see how skinny the reply box can get before it disappears

Same here. Will it eventually disappear? What happens when the text wrap only has room for one letter per line?

hey guys, is there room to squeeze in one more comment?

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Let's drill all the way down

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They no longer show up in landscape. Success?

There is a difference between a performance plan and an evaluation. An evaluation allows for a review of the work against the plan, and sometimes there are logical reasons for not meeting certain goals. Both are performed by the supervisor, not shareholders.

I don't put coaches on any pedestal. I do think it is laughable to second guess specific X's and Os as a fan, but that is a different discussion. My major point is that we think the schedule and improvements should yield a much better record this year, but there are scenarios where the fan expectations may not be met and just maybe a coach won't need to be fired because of it....it all depends as to why.

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I'll ask you pointblank: should an underperforming coach be fired?

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Depends.

yes if the person measuring the performance is qualified to do so.

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And you don't think the voice of the customer matters?

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Spoiler Alert: As Alum pointed out above, if we lose to 5 of @BC, Furman, Duke, @Miami, URI, UNC, @ND, WF, @GT, and Pitt, "the way the games are executed" and "final scores" are going to look very shitty.

Anyone is going to have a very challenging time pumping sunshine on 7-5 or worse when it comes to signing more talent or garnering more donations - two areas where we're really struggling. This is the easiest schedule in P5, it's year 4, and CJF has 'his guys.' Enough of the excuses.

I get it.

The people who hate Fuente now can make all sorts of gloom and doom predictions now, and anything less than a 9-win season is absolutely unforgivable.

I'm not making excuses for a season we haven't even had yet. I'm just saying that some of the "red lines" being drawn are a simple case of nonsense.

I think it's a fair assumption that a 9 win season shows some improvement across the board.

Is it possible that Wake, Miami, ND, and UVA all finish top 20, and all beat us in close games, and that we look back on this season and remember that our team was better than our record (similar to the 2009 team, which IMO was way better than 10-3 and second in the division, but I digress)? Yes, it's absolutely possible, but I think we can agree that it's unlikely.

Right now, 9 wins looks like a pretty reasonable metric to judge success. We'll reevaluate throughout the season, like we always do.

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I'd call 9 wins successful.

But many here are saying that anything short of that is dismal failure, and that getting 9 wins is easy, which I think is overstating it.

I just think that setting up the season as a "9 wins or it's a bust" is sort of a false litmus test.

My biggest concern is mistaking a relatively easy schedule with a cake walk. We should be improved this year but I expect a fight for every W with obvious growth as the season progresses.

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That's a BINGO.

a cake walk.

Some here would argue it should be a "pie walk"

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People are already concerned, and there is likely no calming them short of winning the ACC.

But I'm not willing to set that up as the "if we don't do that, we're doomed" line.

Two thoughts:
When our roster becomes more balanced (as far as classes), my guess is that this deal slows down. (Imagine a competition where you look around you and realize that the people who are "better" or threats to your playing time are in your class or younger!)

2) W-I-N-N-I-N-G!!! If we win (and I realize that is still an "if"), in a couple of years, Fuente and crew may be lauded for their roster management! (Allowed early attrition to re-load and balance as quickly as possible)

Unfortunately this recruiting class is going to really hurt us in 2-3 years.

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The portal giveth......... and the NCAA take the away. /s

A bad class is a little easier to fix..... if you get the credentials (win) to attract top transfers, and the NCAA will let them play. Or you lose, and top talent starts leaving you.

Sometimes we live no particular way but our own

BTW: without giving away paywall secrets, what exactly are the exiting player's biggest gripes???

We let folks graduate without incident. I don't hear coaches being sharp or rude. I realize we only see what the p.r. Folks want us to see, but by and large, the overall group seems pretty together. I'm not a huge follower of player's social media accounts - what am I missing?

Nothing.

There's only speculation and conjecture. I'm usually pretty hard on Fuente but I think he's right to draw hard lines and not tolerate bad behavior. This is his house. Just a lot of dramatic babies with cases of hurt feelings.

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I have a good feeling about this season

The portal giveth and the portal taketh....

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I took Ellis' mothers post as more of a shot at Robinson than the program. Just screams sour grapes to me, hope Ellis kills at it wherever he decides to go but if he got flat out beat out than that is no fault of Robinson or Fuente.

In Sam Rogers we trust.

The current perception may be bad for VT now, but if we win well and the new culture shows up and is badass, then we will look back and laugh about these days.

This is a great perspective to have. My hope:
1. Easy schedule for turnaround year, win 9/10 games
2. Wins lead to better fundraising
3. More funds lead to better recruiting
4. Maintain high level of both, accumulate division/ conference titles

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I was hoping Ellis would be a guy who could be subbed into the game to keep a fresh, speedy, dangerous playmaker in the game, especially towards the end of the game when the defense might be a little tired.

But if he wasn't showing in practice that he could score every time he touches the ball, and if Tayvion is showing that..., and if Ellis is not willing to accept the role of being a backup on an elite squad of playmakers, not willing to get a few shots here and there, and needs to be thought of as one of the top options, then I guess he's not the right man for the job.

Paging Coleton Beck.

Looking for guys who can make that cut and/or break an arm tackle and sprint 80 yards for a touchdown.

And you kind of want someone who cares enough about the team to check their ego and put in the work required.

More legs!

"Hey Bud, you wont have to hold the opponent to 17 points anymore."

Psssttt he got hurt in 1st scrimmage, don't know how badly.

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This is interesting.

It took her forever too give a reason why but I highly doubt it anyway

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Sounds like something else is going on here we don't know about

Man. If you are wanting to transfer somewhere else and you are not the 2nd coming of Cam Newton ... do you really want your Mom doing this?

Between the 4.8 comment and this - it Kinda hurts your argument and limits your options.

Agreed

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So it's not about Ellis quitting on the team, or his ability, it's about feeling disrespected by a strength coach.

I'll leave my previous statement up for posterity, but I will apologize for questioning his motives.

If this can be resolved by clearing the air and working out their differences, I hope the staff can pull him back onto the team.

And I hope this pattern of players bristling at the treatment by a strength coach (or coaches if it's more than one) is addressed and hoping this is the last time a player is pushed away in this manner.

As much as rushing to assume he's quitting because he got passed on the depth chart is his reasoning...

I'd be very cautious to take his Mom's account as gospel either.

The truth: when people leave an organization, both sides usually create a "story" to justify their actions.

I have admired Fuente and crew for not opening their mouths and playing into the drama in these situations.... my guess is there's much more than "the coach was mean and hurt my feelings"!

If the kid was smart, he'd take his Momma's I-phone away till she calms down!!!

I agree there are many perspectives to every problem, and examining and understanding the different perspectives can lead to a positive solution.

I support the coaching staff also, including the S&C staff, but if there's a problem, address it - it doesn't have to be publicized, but guys leaving the program because they feel disrespected by someone shouldn't become a pattern.

This is a player with top notch speed, a guy I've been looking forward to seeing on the field making plays in O&M, and if they can keep him in the program, I think it's better than letting him go. I don't want to see Ellis making plays along side Dazz Newsome or at any other school.

VT needs speed, needs playmakers, 3 deep and ready to go, and Ellis will be a good player if he stays.

A little concerning since we had another player with issues with the strength coach as well.... I digress it was a different situation and I don't know any of the semantics for either of these situations (according to player's family members), just thought it was worth pointing out.

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If he's as amazing as his mom thinks he is... Why the hell would he care what an assistant strength coach thinks?

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I don't know any details and actually think there is a line that shouldn't be crossed by coaches, but I find it pretty ironic that so many people mock the "participation trophy" generation, then freak out when a player enters the transfer portal when the reason given is that a strength coach was disrespectful. Shouldn't those people be all about these hard nosed coaches putting soft millennials in their place?

Anyway, I digress. I only played through high school but have witnessed peewee league coaches being disrespectful or unreasonable at times. Anyone who has watched Hard Knocks has seen pro coaches unapologetically get all over their players so I'm pretty certain it doesn't get cushier at the elite levels. My biggest concern is that staff members are pressing too much on certain players who are frustrated/down at the wrong time but unless we have a UMD situation, I wouldn't be extremely concerned.

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Wondering why mommy is fighting the social media battle for him in the first place?
Kinda embarrassing.

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She's a mom and a bunch of "fans" are talking shit about her son and speculating. She gonna fight back. Her talking shit about another player is a really bad look since that player is not involved any of the talk or speculation.

I really want to make old man comments about kids these days but I won't. Ellis is extremely athletic. Hopefully he can put the mental and physical aspects of the sport together on the field and be successful.

IF this is true, and IF this is the same S&C staffer who got into it with Trevon we might need to assess whether or not keeping him on staff is a good idea.

This is Fuente's job. To make that assessment.

Wonder if Whit gets to ask the player and coaches about the situation independently. Kind of like an exit interview and a follow up investigation.

For context, I can't find that tweet anywhere anymore, so it looks like it was taken down. This lady's twitter is a trip though.

Looks like a shot at Robinson?

She is also spam deleting tweets as I am going through her responses.

Yepp. Going to leave that one alone. Short story, they are claiming mental and verbal abuse by the coaching staff.

EDIT: And within 60 seconds, the account went private.

EDIT 2: Ellis Sr claims it was Fuente and how he treated him? Going back to Spring ball?

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Interesting...making special teams could get him to travel. Sounds like a NFL message to me. Oh and the coach "dappin" everyone but his son...oh god! The kid has family! Fu must be a master of psychological warfare or a teenage girl. /s

Edit: is there a reason Brenden Hill always seems to be in the middle of this drama?

When you're looking for an excuse to go, it's easy to find some kind of slight.

Best he finds his way somewhere else. If this kind of stuff offends he and his family. Wait till he plays Miami!!!

What did I miss about Brendan Hill?

Look at the images above. He was in the middle of the twitter comments.

Thanks. On mobile, these somewhat old eyes couldn't make any of that out. Appreciate the bread crumb.

Yeah, he holds a serious grudge.

I mixed him up with someone else. He's just opinionated on twitter (like everyone else, I suppose).

I don't think that's true at all. He definitely isn't shy to provide his opinions on twitter, but overall, he's a big fan of the program and wants it to be successful. Sure he's not a full time cheerleader - but he doesn't need to be all the time, either. It's hardly 'holding a grudge'

You are correct, so I updated the comment.

Didn't he do an AMA for TKP this spring? Seems he'd not want to go on a fan site for that if he had a serious grudge? Maybe I'm thinking of someone else.

Correct. I was the one thinking of someone else.

Does anyone else think this seems petty as fuck? I feel like I'm taking crazy pills

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I will say there does seem to be a ton of very diva/prima donna behavior. The Ellis' are throwing the kitchen sink at this and seemed to be very happy with everything on twitter until two or three days ago. I think there is a lot going on beneath the surface.

That being said, if I ever have a kid, and he tells me this stuff is going on, you bet I burn the damn thing down. Can't really fault them, but I'm still kinda taken back by it.

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Abuse is a strong word. I don't know the facts, so I hope it is being used correctly.

I will just say this - playing college sports at a high level is good prep for the real world (sports or no sports). Hard work, high-level of commitment, adversity, criticism from those who don't know anything etc. etc.

If you quit (yes this is the right word when someone leaves mid-camp - not after they graduate, end of the season as that is different) because of something that affects your sensibilities, good luck in the real world.

If he learns anything is that if you go somewhere else, your sensibilities will be offended again and again - maybe in a different way but again. The real way to winning for yourself is to not let those types of things from some who doesn't control you affect you so much you change the course of your life.

Intense conversations in college sports? Missed a high five? Hope you don't have a boss one day whose version of a compliment is to suck less - might be a rough go.

Abuse is a strong word. I don't know the facts, so I hope it is being used correctly.

Their words, not mine. I hope it's only used when necessary.

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Got ya - I knew what you meant as their words. My apologies if it came across that I did not.

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Wow, if this is really what happened (and his dad said it, so no reason to doubt it), then this is the most frivolous reason I've ever heard for leaving a program.

He better hope he makes it to the NFL (spoiler alert: he won't), because he's really not going to like working a real job one day.

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I will just say this - playing college sports at a high level is good prep for the real world (sports or no sports). Hard work, high-level of commitment, adversity, criticism from those who don't know anything etc. etc.

If you quit (yes this is the right word when someone leaves mid-camp - not after they graduate, end of the season as that is different) because of something that affects your sensibilities, good luck in the real world.

Amen. I'm currently trying to help out a family friend who didn't jive well with her new CEO. After hearing about how he's a chauvinist asshole, I told her to polish up her resume and find a job that's a better fit. Under no circumstances was she to let this guy dictate her future by doing him the favor of quitting without a place to land. Two weeks later she tells me she up and quit because it wasn't getting any better. No resume, no job offer, nothing. Just decided she couldn't handle it any more. Now I'm helping her retool her budget to try to live off her minimal savings while she job hunts. Fucking millennials. I can say that as a millennial, right? That's how that works?

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Does verbal abuse lead to immediate eligibility after transfer? Motive?

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Didn't work for that transfer from Michigan.

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I don't think there's a waiver category for not getting "dapped".

10 legs sir - well done

I don't want to dismiss it as that. I can totally believe Hilgart is a crazy intense dude. This would put Ellis and Hill as two folks who have had him involved in a transfer story. I'm still all about our big bald buff boi, but I'm keeping an eye on it.

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If these kids can't handle being challenged by the strength coach, then it's definitely a good thing Coach Gent isn't still around. This just sounds soft to me. Sounds like he wasn't getting the love he felt like he deserved on the depth chart so then he started taking any challenge the coaches threw his way as something personal. Best of luck to him, but i'm cool with filling that scholarship spot with a kid that wants to be there.

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I don't really know what to think in this situation, and the twitter chatter is pretty childish. But I have never seen so much drama around a program and so many players leaving and ready to crap all over the program and coaches as soon as they hit the door. If it were one or two then it might be some bad apples, but this drama is getting really old and becoming a major distraction. If certain coaches are antagonizing players, the problem needs to be addressed immediately. And for our sake I hope we win big this year.

We had a pretty good run of not changing coaches for 29 years. To think we could do it without any drama at all was probably over-optimistic.

But if we started letting 19 year-olds call the shots, we would be lost. if I gotta pick between the strength coach and a three star recruit who committed and de-committed once already, I'm picking the strength coach. This sounds like an ego thing that could be worked out.

While respect goes both ways, the players have to trust the coaching staff, at least until after they've actually seen the field, or they'll never be seeing it.

All of that said, I'll be happier if we stop hearing stuff like this.

All of that said, I'll be happier if we stop hearing stuff like this. I could only give this but one leg.

This clearly shows the rift between Fuente and Foster has gotten worse. /s

"Take care of the little things and the big things will come."

All changes took place after a heated argument with the strength coach when he degraded and disrespected my son.

Good luck...Bye!

"Hey Bud, you wont have to hold the opponent to 17 points anymore."

"so many players leaving and ready to crap all over the program and coaches as soon as they hit the door. "

"This clearly shows the rift between Fuente and Foster has gotten worse."

Dudes! What is the main gist of the "crap"???
A rift between Fuente and Bud??? Does anybody have actual/specific information about these assumptions? I'm not seeing it in the stuff I read.

The "rift between Fuente and Foster" line has a "/s" at the end of it, so clearly a joke

Good luck my man and wish the best. Once a Hokie always a Hokie. Hopefully he finds the right landing spot and makes the best of it. Go Hokies!

I started a long post, so here's the short version:

We have kids in this locker room who welcome the pressure, who want to lead this team, and that's what encourages me about our season. Between Willis, Hollifield, Webb, Turner, our O line, I'm cautiously optimistic.

Long version synopsis: kids these days, entitlement, Last Chance U, fuck Bobby Bruce, I cried that episode, I was really rooting for him

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Jesus does anybody honestly know why he decided to transfer? I hear a lot of speculation about depth charts, quitting, etc. with absolutely no sourced information about why he decided to transfer. It's natural to try and connect the dots but let's be fair to the kid until we hear it from somebody who actually knows, like Fuente or Jafar or Ellis himself.

Yep. Been thinking that the whole time I was reading this thread. Well, that and my tired theme: Twitter is evil.

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Saw some rumors his mom had been making statements via Twitter. Have found nothing on Twitter so far. (edit: guess it was BookFace)

She found the delete button

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This is discussed years ago I believe in a another thread, but what's the point of the site if there isn't any speculating.

Well I believe TKP serves many purposes which are left up to the individual user. There's nothing wrong with speculation when used in the proper situation such as future depth charts, recruiting interests, etc. But to label someone a quitter without knowing all of the facts surrounding his transfer decision seems pretty distasteful to me.

So much hate on TOS and here calling him a "quitter". LOL

I guess we liked the quitters when they transfer to us though right?

I can't hate a guy if he wants to play somewhere else. Even if there's rumors on a rift with coaches
- it's usually somewhere in between. The player has one shot to do what's best for him - more power to him.

I agree, its strange to complain about players leaving because they aren't getting playing time but being fine when they come to VT (ex. Braxton Burmeister)

Personal opinion, I think folks are having a problem with a guy that gives up 1) during the season; or 2) in fall camp. There's a big difference between hitting the transfer portal after a season is over and quitting the team while there are still games to be played for that season.

Take Kelly Bryant for example. He got passed on the depth chart last year Trevor Lawrence, so he quit on the team. Clemson got extremely lucky against Syracuse last year when TL got hurt because Chase Brice was able to come in and salvage the game. I know several Clemson fans and they were definitely calling Bryant a quitter last year.

There's a big difference between hitting the transfer portal after a season is over and quitting the team while there are still games to be played for that season.

For the team he's leaving - they'll be just fine. So then to whom are you giving your perspective? To you as a fan? From the perspective of the player I don't think so at all. He needs to go somewhere quickly where he can a) take classes b) join the team c) plethora of other stuff, and if he needs to do it in August instead of February (if that works for him) then so be it.

NFL players hold out and don't join the team due to contract issues, but I don't see anyone calling them a quitter? Why not then? Answer: Because the NFL is a business, and the NCAA is one too. Not even getting into the whole "should players be paid" angle, but if as a player, your goal is to get on the field and make an impact so you get a shot at the NFL, then more power to you to do whatever you want to do.

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I agree, its strange to complain about players leaving because they aren't getting playing time but being fine when they come to VT (ex. Braxton Burmeister)

I was sharing my personal thoughts on why some folks have a problem with a guy whom they see as quitting on a team. I even shared an example of this, along with anecdotal evidence gain from talking to fans of another program that recently went through a similar situation.

Personal opinion, I think folks are having a problem with a guy that gives up 1) during the season; or 2) in fall camp.

Take Kelly Bryant for example. ... I know several Clemson fans and they were definitely calling Bryant a quitter last year.

Also, personal opinion, I don't really care. If this particular player wants to leave, so be it. It frees up a scholarship that can be given to a deserving walk-on for this year and can be used to bring in a recruit in the future.

However, again personal opinion, while I may wish said player bon chance in their future endeavors, I will not prescribe to the notion of "Once a Hokie, always a Hokie" for that player if they transfer to another school unless they get their degree.

Each player has to look out for their career. Bryant expected to be a starter with hopes of getting to the NFL. If he was on the bench and played one more game, he would have used up his eligibility and probably never makes it to the nfl. Now he has at least a chance to surprise some people and make a lot of money.

Over simplification. I wouldn't want any players who left after the first week of the other school's camp. Additionally, throwing shade on all kinds of people in the process is childish. How matters

Leaving after a season due to various reasons is completely different from my point of view - whether you are Chris Cunningham (don't blame him and get it) or B squared.

I dont really care when players transfer. They know their situation and have one shot at a college/pro career regardless of over sensitive football fans. In the Kelly Bryant example, he owes nothing to Clemson fans. He needs to make the best of his 4 years of eligibility.

When a college player transfers - they rarely tell the truth about their motivations especially early in their career. Ellis won't say "Robinson showed up and suddenly I wasn't as valuable," despite competition and playing time certainly being a part of the formula for entering the portal. That may not be the only factor, but when the multifaceted truth gets skewed to the convenient and simple "it's their fault" message - people can see through it and it turns them off.

Pro players say - screw this pay me more money or send me on my way. Ironically, people hate honesty too.

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Perhaps relevant to the discussion...

Gonna be more players in the portal than landing spots.

who can we scoop

Looking solely at the portal and not knowing anything about anybody in it

RB Eric Swinney (Immediate)
DT Adam McClean (Unsure)

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I'm OK with the portal. Whether it was lack of playing time or some bad blood, at the end of the day the fit wasn't right. And that's the case for every other transfer we've had so far. Maybe this staff is a little more demanding than most, and I share some of the concern about the optics and whether or not its hurting recruiting, but thus far none of our portal transfers have been losses which leave a gaping hole. If our starters who have no reasonable expectation of losing playing time start leaving, I will be concerned.

Hope Ellis finds the right spot and thrives.

Although T.Hill is technically not a transfer, losing his on the field skills hurts... although it is abundantly clear that losing him is a net positive for the team.

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Ellis retweeted this thread from Brenden Hill:

Now finish up them taters; I'm gonna go fondle my sweaters.

Not going to have a chance to play = he lost a competition. This thread sounds like a nitpicking semantics. I wish him the best wherever he ends up though.

Yeah, I agree...I was just posting that the fact that he retweeted it lends more to the assumption that he is transferring because he got passed on the depth chart vs. "a strength coach disrespected him" like his mom is blasting out (her tweet is now deleted)

If that's the case, I wish him nothing but luck. These guys wanting to have a football career only have 4 years to showcase their talent. Can't do that sitting on the bench, BUT, if that is the case maybe try to get those close to you to not start bashing the program.

Now finish up them taters; I'm gonna go fondle my sweaters.

losing a competition is not the same as being afraid to compete. if your highest level does not equal or compare to the guys in front of you current level you aren't not competing at your highest level. you just simply aren't going to play.

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Totally agree. Hence timing is everything - aka when does the competition begin and end. I get that kids want to play. My feelings on this are in situations where a kid sees the odds are firmly against him playing a lot (Chris Cunningham is a good example for Tech fans) he can make a choice to change and this is fair and will continue. I think in other situations (especially kids young in their career) and a kid doesn't start out at the top of the depth chart and wants to immediately change - that is a sign of fear and/or entitlement. That's different so to me the context matters.

I do think that this legit reason is sometimes poorly thought through - aka you will have to earn it anywhere that is decent, so changing your environment won't change the fact you have to compete to win your spot.

My Speculation...
Based on everything in the thread so far, there could be a little bit of truth on both sides. He may have gotten passed on the depth chart because his effort has not been there compared to other players, which caused the S&C coach to "disrespect him" by riding him for it. So to him, he thinks it is personal why he got passed on the depth chart. Even if Robinson is out competing him, he thinks he is being put in the doghouse and won't get out now.
When competition is close, each individual will think they deserve the shot, especially if they are the older player. Mommy and daddy will definitely think their kid deserves the playing time. Just seems like drama being blown way out of proportion.

I have no problem with these kids transferring. They get 1 window of opportunity to play this game and they should have the opportunity to attend where they think is best for them, whatever that reason truly is.

"I'm too drunk to taste this chicken" - Colonel Sanders via Ricky Bobby

My speculation concurs with your speculation.

Now finish up them taters; I'm gonna go fondle my sweaters.

But then, don't you take the kid aside and explain "it was close, so you'll still get a lot of playing time"?

Or maybe there's so much of it that you expect them to be able to take it?

"it was close, so you'll still get a lot of playing time"?

At the same time, you don't always believe the coaches when they say that. Especially if you think there is something personal in there. Those words, depending on trust and a few other factors, can ring quite hollow depending on relationships that are forged by the staff and players.

I gotta believe there's room for more than two wide receivers in the lineup at VT.

But if you are talking about the difference in 2nd and 3rd string, that becomes a big difference in reps

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So he was that far down the pecking order?

This coaching staff really needs this team to ball out on the field this year. We absolutely cannot afford another season of sputtering around like we did last year given all the smoke circling around this program off the field. Even if its all a bunch of crap, these kinds of distractions end up creating a bad reputation throughout the football community to the point where we become a toxic entity for recruits and their families.

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Yes. Only in rainbow and unicorn land is a bunch of players transferring, entering the portal, parents on social media and players suggesting there are "issues" on the coaching staff, etc. is that not a problem. If Coach Fu wins 10 games, I'll shut up. Until then, his program has been a dumpster fire the past 18 months.

Do other programs have people freaking out, calling the program a "dumpster fire" because a bunch of second string dudes transferred, looking for more playing time? Or calling it a "dumpster fire" because a 3rd string slot receiver transferred and according to the player's mommy and daddy, because the head coach didn't give him a dap or high five one day at practice? Sounds like dumpster fire material to me for sure. The only drama that exists - is not in the program. It's on boards like this in which we live in a world of rainbows and unicorns because all these keyboard heroes think they know better.

The only drama that exists - is not in the program. It's on boards like this in which we live in a world of rainbows and unicorns because all these keyboard heroes think they know better.

Except, this isn't the case. The drama has been happening very publicly on social media and other schools are taking notice. Case in point, the exodus of players and the airing of dirty laundry was explicitly called out in that 'coaches talk anonymously about other ACC schools' article last week. So its not just a message board thing, coaches around the league have taken notice, and you better believe they are pointing recruits toward those comments when they are recruiting against us on the trail. Regardless of how valid this dirty laundry might be, its become a problem that needs to be resolved by winning, and it needs to be resolved soon.

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I would say that coaches of other teams don't know squat except the rumors they might pick up on the sidelines based on hearsay- basically, they know as much as we do. P-5 coaches in my limited experience are insanely detailed and focused and have zero time to delve in to the drama occurring at other programs. That article makes for interesting reading but beyond scouting, schemes, etc. is just a load of BS

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I guess the proof is going to be in the pudding, as they say.

As much as you think "dumpster fire" is hyperbole, your counterpoint is overly reductionist at best and equally hyperbolic the other way at worst.

A lot has happened since the bowl game against OKST, and there's definitely more bad than good when it comes to program vibes. It's really hard to state the "only drama that exists is not in the program" when all we've heard all off-season was about cultivating a culture change so that the players on the squad are the ones who are actually buying into what the coaches have to say and that there's locker room chemistry and #NBA and all that.

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Gobble and Alum, I'll respectfully disagree with the both of you. It's been pointed out over and over again that similar things are going on everywhere with the transfer portal. There is 100% way more drama on these boards there there is within the program I guarantee it. I'm not going to argue over and over about it because I've got better things to do with my day. But the bottom line is that a lot of folks are freaking out right now over a 3rd string slot receiver transferring.
Sorry for being such a "reductionist" but you all need to just take a breath. We aren't that unique. Social media is full of drama everywhere and this transfer portal thing is going to take awhile to shake out.

Have a leg for the calm and rational discussion. If all that had happened in the program over the last 18 months was a third string slot receiver transferring, I'd agree with you. you can't evaluate dcwilson's comment in a vacuum with respect to this transfer, because he very clearly was speaking about this in the broader context of the program.

"dumpster fire" is overblown, but "stop freaking out over a third string receiver" is also overblown when looking back over the last 18 months sees us: coming off the worst W-L season our program has had in decades including one of the worst losses in college football history (which also somehow might not even be the worst loss in program history), some significant attrition in the program (for various reasons, some positive like the Edmundi and some negative like Trevon and Mook), coaching personnel changes for both off-field (Scott) and on-field (Nix) reasons, and having (what appears to be currently) a historically bad recruiting class for our program with (what appears to be) little sense of momentum for turning it around and bringing in highly-rated talent at positions of obvious need.

So yeah, maybe Ellis is just a third string slot WR who maybe tried to make it as a QB and then couldn't and then felt like CJF was unfair in favoring Robinson over him. That's fair. But there's more to the "last 18 months" than just that.

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Exactly, this is where I am. Its not just about Ellis, its about Ellis and everything that's happened over the past, as you said, 18 months or so that... Its starting to pile up.

Every time we are being told to dismiss x or y as just a disgruntled player or family member mouthing off, but man the list keeps growing. I thought we were done with this crap when we were told the locker room was purged earlier this year, and yet... more rumors, more whispers, more airing of dirty laundry on social media. Its really starting to get old to keep seeing this happen, especially given the way last season went.

We have to start winning big this year to turn the talking points around. We have to get some positive momentum back in this program. Because right now, it looks like there is one big dark cloud hovering over Blacksburg that we can't keep pretending doesn't exist, because others outside the program have noticed, and are openly talking about it.

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Gobble & Alum, I hear what you are saying. But go take a look at the drama going on with other schools. I would say we have far less. The stuff with Mook, Hill and Alexander - that's all on them. It happens in every program. I seriously do not see the drama being worse with us. But - aside from that. There are people specifically freaking out about Ellis. In this thread and on others. There were countless people on 247 calling for the dismissal of this supposed strength coach who supposedly degraded Ellis without know an ounce of anything. All this talk of "disturbing trends." I pointed out earlier in another commented that we have greatly benefited from incoming transfers over the past few years. Transfers are going to happen. They are probably going to even increase over the next few years. We (and every other program) are going to have transfers. From a roster management perspective, I wouldn't be surprised to see coaches holding on to scholarships just to try to take advantage of the transfer market. I don't think this is great for every kid out there. Right now, it seems there are less landing spots than there are players in the portal. Sure, if you are 5* Brenton Cox, everyone will make room. But there are a ton of kids who went in and there's nowhere for them to go. Kumah as an example was a stud, played great for us. He was probably getting pushed by Tre. When he left he thought he was going to land at ND, PSU or OU. It didn't happen, not because he wasn't a good player but there just weren't landing spots at those programs unless it was a huge upgrade to what they had. Same thing just happened to a Jr employee where I work. He's good, needs more experience but was passed over for a promotion and he got mad and quit, convinced he would be in high demand. He's still unemployed now 9 months later.
Transfers have increased across the nation exponentially - the ports was designed to do so. Transfers are going to continue to happen. I don't think that's a sign of a dumpster fire of a program for us or any other program.
I get on here because I love VT football. It just becomes so NOT FUN with all this overreaction and negativity.

That's fair. I understand your point and it's a good one, but even expanding the view from "this transfer" to "all transfers" doesn't really come close to encompassing everything that's happened in the past 18 months for the program one way or the other. Hard to justify calling it a dumpster fire, but also hard to justify effectively saying "business as usual, nothing to see here, move along".

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I dunno. alabama doesn't claim all of their transfers suck anyway, because well they win 12 games every year. Clemson didn't just lose to ODU and go 6-7, so no their fans probably don't call their program a dumpster fire, either. This idea that all 16 of these transfers were not needed on a 6 win team is laughable. The fans that say that are the FIRST fans to whine about depth and youth too. Dejuan Ellis was 3rd string slot? How do you know that? I haven't seen a real depth chart. Is his Mom lying? We had our starting QB transfer and the party line is that he wasn't going to play anyway. We had a starting WR transfer, and the party line is that he sucks. We had a 2nd string young promising LB who was getting playing time transfer mid year and the party line is that a defense that gave up a million yards last year is "loaded" at LB and we don't need him. Good teams don't make excuses like that, no.

The fans of those programs also don't freak out because a 3 star athlete who just got passed on the depth chart enters the transfer portal.

There is no doubt that there was some locker room angst at VT last year, and that it was related to our program changing head coaches for the first time in 29 years. I think other programs also lose players when they change head coaches.

But it does seem to me that the people who are the most upset about these things are the same folks who were already not on board with Fuente.

I don't want to be nitpicky, because I largely agree with you, but I think there's some corrections:

We had our starting QB transfer and the party line is that he wasn't going to play anyway.

JJ Transferred because he thought he should enter the off season as the starter, and coaches wanted an open competition.

We had a starting WR transfer, and the party line is that he sucks.

Kumah wasn't a starter, but definitely a contributor. He may/may not have been able to keep that role in the future. Given his behavior after leaving (actively recruiting against us) is pretty fair to say he held a grudge against the staff.

That said, I agree this is not 'just a sign of the times,' nor are all players leaving because they were buried on the depth chart (some, yes. all? no). I am concerned (although far from convinced) that there is a culture issue that stems from the staff. Hopefully that is not the case.

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This idea that all 16 of these transfers were not needed on a 6 win team is laughable.

If they are a cancer to the other 69 and the program culture they are not needed

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"If Coach Fu wins 10 games, I'll shut up."

Do you include the bowl game in this? Asking for a friend.

Yes, including the bowl. 10 games period- not just regular season. He does that, and I'll be his biggest supporter.

That's impossible. You'd outdo VTFM?

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It could be a lot fucking worse. dumpster fire?? Lmao you're one spoiled fan dude

LOL.. yeah I'm spoiled. I have a weird way of showing it by supporting the team for 30 years and the Hokie Club for 20. I'm spoiled because we went 6-7 and lost to ODU. We should totally lose to ODU.

Bro its because dumpster fire doesn't come close to describing our situation, the entire fan base has been spoiled by Beamer and the early Fuente years. The mediocre 2015 and bad 2016 classes finally caught up with us as well as the unlucky dismissals of Reavis, Alexander, Mook, Hill, and Beckett; injuries to Walker, Mihota, Deablo. Only thing you could maybe blame on this current staff is the Kearney transfer. This defense was fucked from the start, probably shouldn't have mattered for the ODU game but it's not unheard of for a depleted and uninspired group to be outplayed by a small team playing in basically their super bowl at home.

The offense pretty much speaks for itself. Receivers were good but young, line was average and also young, no feature back, QB average (Jackson > Willis imo but both while competent are game managers at best).

The only thing that really falls on the staff and not personnel issues are the transfers and this upcoming recruiting class. To me the only transfer that doesn't make sense is Kumah, everyone else wouldn't have had playing time. Even Kumah could be explained away as the staff preferring Hazelton and Turner to him. This recruiting class is not much worse than last year's at this time. You're not near the worst one but the overreacting gets pretty annoying, high key.

So when VT wins the national championship this year will people get mad at Fuente for not giving Ellis a ring?

Not going to lie, that's a bitchass move from Dabo when the QB won him 4 games earlier in the year.

Then again, I've always thought that Dabo appeared to be portraying a fake personality to the media. Every once in a while you see the real douchebag behind the persona peek through the cracks.

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The dude literally transferred mid year. He left. Doesn't deserve a ring. Had he stayed and helped the team the next 10 games, then sure. Be he bailed.

Always choose joy.

Counter argument - No way they beat aTm without Bryant. His stats were ugly but he kept drives alive and led the team in a way that TL was not yet ready to.

But I honestly don't feel strongly about this either way.

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My only thought is that in most other sports he gets a ring. We had an NBA final where one player was guaranteed a ring before the first game was played because he played for both teams during the year so no matter who won he got a ring. So based on sports, he gets a ring.

Pro sports. This is college. The player in the pro's was traded in season which he obviously had no control over. In college this kid quit the team due to his personal interests.

I'm not bemoaning that choice, just saying what it is in context. Quitting a team is a lot different than getting traded.

I guarantee you if a player played for the Raptors for a few guys and quit this year to play in Europe he wouldn't be getting a ring. Might be the right choice for him.

I wouldn't necessarily say that Bryant won him 4 games earlier in the year

Vs. Furman; 48-7
Bryant - 11/17, 132 yds, 1 TD; 5 carries for 44 yds, 1 TD
Lawrence - 9/14, 137 yds 3 TDs

vs. a&m; 28-26
Bryant - 12/17, 205 yds, 1 TD ; 15 carries for 54yds, 1 TD
Lawrence - 5/9, 93 yds, 1 TD

vs. Georgia Southern; 38-7
Bryant- 7/10, 68yds, 0 TD; 1 INT; 6 carries for 27 yards
Lawrence- 12/19, 194yds 1 TD, 1 INT

vs GT; 49-21
Bryant- 6/10, 56 yds, 0TD; 4 carries for 5 yards
Lawrence- 13/18, 176 yds; 4 TDs, 1 INT

An argument could be made that Bryant won 1 game for Clemson last year. Then was no longer on the team after that, by his choice.

Say you quit your job; 6 months later the company takes off, is worth 500x what it was when you left. Everyone is getting raises, better benefits, access to Robert Kraft's most recommended day spas, new cars, , etc....are you entitled to any of that?

Nope.

Now finish up them taters; I'm gonna go fondle my sweaters.

I agree with Dabo - I wouldn't even consider giving someone who quit on the team mid-year a ring. If you finished with the team you deserve one - if not you don't. Simple

Not mad at Dabo. Bryant left the team of his own accord. I'm still mad at Joe Gibbs for saying the Scabs shouldn't get rings though. Those guys deserved rings and I freaking hate the word deserve. Bryant, eh. Only consolation is the Scabs finally got them in 2018.

And yes my comment was way off topic.

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Portal #s:

All feelings and politics aside. I just took a brief look at the transfer portal on 247...

Well over 300 dudes Immediately eligible waiting to find a spot with camps already started. There's another dozen that are sitting out a year...

My hope for Ellis is that he already has found a landing spot before he and his family decided to "speak out". It looks like most of the portal folks are all low to mid 3 At best.

Think of the hundreds of players that are sitting home right now with no offers and no prospects. What do they do? JUCO? Beg to come back? DII? Aren't most team's pretty set?

And it only gets worse next recruiting year. All new H.S. players, more graduating JUCOs. Screw the dream of the NFL! My guess is there are a ton of folks that will not get a second chance... not just for football, but for the degree.

I get the senior who graduates or the P5 QB or 2-year starter with a head coaching change...but these other guys better be smart...

There was an Athletic article where Herm Edwards basically predicted this because transfers are counted against the number of kids you can bring in in a given year...

Other coaches in the article said similar things, basically alluding to the fact that there are going to be a ton of kids with nowhere to go, they think theyll get recruited like high school but dont realize there are very few spots open

summary: coaches feel this year will probably be the highest rate, once kids see all of these other players with nowhere to go they might think twice, but they dont really know, it hurts development from their standpoint and roster management

So what we should do is leave 4-5 spots open every recruiting year and then pick up an entire new D-line every off season?

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Beg to come back?

Curious, because I honestly don't know. Since being in the transfer portal does not mean that the player has transferred, does a player on a team continue with team functions while in the portal or are they effectively not on the team once they enter their name into the portal? Is the first team obliged to welcome them back if they withdraw from the portal or can the team tell them to pound sand?

Now finish up them taters; I'm gonna go fondle my sweaters.

I'd love some insight on this as well

Perhaps this is decided on a case by case basis but I think far more often than not they are treated as if they are effectively not on the team. The scholarship is no longer guaranteed once they enter the portal.

Joffrey, Cersei, Ilyn Payne, the Hound, Jeff Jagodzinski, Paul Johnson, Pat Narduzzi.

In a quick search, I cannot find any clear guidelines as to what a "Portal Player," is or is not allowed to participate in.

Still, you would think it would be HEAVILY in the interest of the Team NOT to have the player hanging around, seeing gameplans, plays, ect. They then have the opportunity to take all that info to the Transfer School....not bueno.

Case in point, Watts transfers to UNC (a division rival) and takes coverage adjustments/signal info with him---would be a major problem.

So I would guestimate that in 99.999% of cases, as soon as a player notifies the Original Coach of intent, he is off of the team until otherwise notified.

Brings up an icky question. If there are players already unhappy in a current situation there could possibly be coaches out there that would like to know said playbooks that may make offers to go elsewhere. Think that is possible?

I think the interesting thing is the players that enter their names in the portal and know that there might not be a better spot (McClease, Hooker) so they are polite and welcomed back onto the team. Then there are players that begin burning the bridges... I am not sure that Ellis would be welcomed back on the team after some of the things that have been said.

One of my many sources has told me that if we can get more funding, Fuente will start building the bridges out of steel instead of the cheaper wood material. It all comes back to the funding one way or another, even the metaphorical bridges!

It's easier to run off more players at once over a steal bridge than a wooden one.

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a steal bridge

Is that the one we used to get Rivers, Dax and Nester? /s

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I prefer we stop using bridges and start using gang planks, kinda like pirates. Once you're off of it, you're off, swimming and it would be damn hard to get back on, wood or steel.

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they wont melt....but if left burning long enough, the weight of all those transfers will be enough to break that bridge

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That would not be the case with Hooker. He was super disappointed to see post bowl game that he was 4th on the depth chart. . I know for a fact talking to his dad that he had interest from multiple big time programs and they visited multiple coaching staffs. They basically decided to stay as they thought Fuente and Cornelson were the best offense of minds out there. Yes he said that

. The interesting thing is that Hendon is going to graduate this spring as a redshirt sophomore and will start graduate school classes towards hjs MBA. Great kid and great family.

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hmmmm... i thought Tech got rid of their traditional on campus MBA program?

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I'm a little late to this part of the thread, but yea, this is accurate. Not many MBA courses could be done in Blacksburg unless he's doing the co-MIT and taking electives all online.

It sounds like he handled things in a very class way... evaluated his options, kept his feelings and opinions off social media and made his determination.

He's taking care of his schooling and will be able to better re-evaluate his options next year (with another year of development with people he deems qualified to help him learn and grow).

Kudos to parents as well. Seems they helped their son through the process without creating more problems or forcing a decision by becoming part of the story.

While I'm at it, gotta be proud of our coaching staff. They didn't leak rumors or poison the water. The result for us, more quality depth this year and an opportunity to see where he can fit in the future.

If this is the culture that Fuente is building. I'm all for it!

If all these guys had a dad like Alan Hooker they'd be better for it. He is a academics first type and a tremendous guy.

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Will probably be immediately eligible because NCAA.

Not that it has anything to do with the quality of kids he is landing at the moment, but it is honestly unbelievable how much pull Locksley has with MD/DC/NOVA/Baltimore kids. I know it's true, but I wish I knew the story of how he became so revered within the area.

I mean, Savoy was a special case. Besides that, I'm sure Locksley has a long-term vision of locking down the region. Purely because of location, UMD could be a monster with the right guy at the helm. Taking in everyone else's tired and weary is a decent strategy to get in the good graces of the powers that be in the DMV.

Yeah, It's less about our specific guys and more about how he is somehow the most beloved man in football circles in the DMV. His DMV connections landed Bama a lot of big time recruits and established pipelines they otherwise likely wouldn't have. It's pretty well known how strong his connections are within the area, but I'd love an inside scoop on how he gained so much clout.

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short answer: he's a black Christian who worked his way to the top.

long answer: he can relate to the kids, talk about his experiences growing up, and sharing a faith with them. It helps him check off boxes for parents and kids alike, and knowing he's been at successful programs makes it an easier sell job. He's also extremely personable and down to earth, and is all business with coaches, without the flamboyance (see Shane Beamer in Richmond). Why? Cause he started at bottom of the coaching barrel, and worked his way up, and can show some humility in the process. It doesn't matter if it's a MD private school, or a posh public school in NoVA, or a run down high school in DC. He wants a player, he'll get him.

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So he's a component Mike London. That's actually kinda scary.

Not the first time someone has said something negative about Beamer in the RVA circles. What was his deal? Was he really that big of a douche?

Eventually he will need to win. he is like 5-30 as a head coach. He plays in a brutal division. In 5 years, if he is fighting for a Pinstripe Bowl by beating Rutgers, he will be fired.

it is honestly unbelievable how much pull Locksley has with MD/DC/NOVA/Baltimore kids.

Yeeeaapp. Between PSU and UMD, it's going to be really tough for us to heavily recruit the greater DC area. We need to Jafar to start recruiting like Zohn, and we need to make sure the incoming defensive staff can recruit as well.

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Oooohhh the irony

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what's he gonna do if he doesn't have a special handshake with coach that no one else has

21st century QBs Undefeated vs UVA:
MV7, MV5, LT3, Josh Jackson, Jerod Evans, Michael Brewer, Tyrod Taylor, Sean Glennon, and Grant Noel. That's right, UVA. You couldn't beat Grant Noel.

Do we think that MD will flip him to a DB and then back to WR to battle Savoy...or to QB to battle Jackson?

Either way....

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Good bye ACL!!!

Seriously though...I hope he stays healthy. Maryland is cursed for qbs.

Didn't they have a game not too long ago where they were down to a linebacker playing QB because everyone in their QB room was injured?

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I think I saw that Maryland has already lost 3 players to ACL injuries this season.

Didn't we lose to them that year?

No, the linebacker playing QB was Shawn Petty and that was in 2012. We lost to MD in OT in 2013 when we couldn't stop CJ Brown from running all over us.

I think he meant we lost to the ACL last year.

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No. I meant UMD. We definitely lost to a backup in 2013 as well. It just wasn't linebacker QB bad, just 3rd QB bad. We could've clinched the Coastal with that game too.

I maintain that was Beamer's second worse game, behind the Gator Bowl where UNC raped us. Randy Fucking Edsall winning in Lane Stadium with CJ Brown at QB, and MD getting a TD on a punt return was ridiculous. Randy Edsall should not beat VT's second team in Lane- ever. That game should have started the retirement wheels in motion.

This would be an interesting thread to start cause i have about 10 games to throw out there before we get to this one. I mean 2001-2003 is full of games we had no business losing, then there's getting shut out at home by Cincy in 1995, then there's JMU in 2010, UNC in 2009, FSU in the ACC championship in 2005, and this topic is literally going to make me throw up at work...

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shut out by cincy in 1995...that was the first game i ever attended, my freshman year. 16-0, if i remember correctly. pouring rain. never would've guessed that season would turn out the way it did.

Yep...and we broke our record for pass attempts. I couldn't get drunk fast enough.

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This was my freshman year as well, that was right after losing to BC in the opener on a Thursday night.

If you're not sure if my comment warrants a "/s", it probably does.

I wonder if Maryland played UVA in a bowl game, if the VT B-Squad would still win and if so, does that make it a 16.5 streak?

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I'll allow it

21st century QBs Undefeated vs UVA:
MV7, MV5, LT3, Josh Jackson, Jerod Evans, Michael Brewer, Tyrod Taylor, Sean Glennon, and Grant Noel. That's right, UVA. You couldn't beat Grant Noel.

If it's the B squad, better count it as 2 games instead of just an additional half a game.

I wish the best to all of our transfers; however, I cant imagine a more jarring transition than the one from idyllic Blacksburg to the cess pool that is College Park. Im sure for a college athelete College Park has some upsides, but you would have to drag me kicking and screaming to live there.

EDIT: I'm an idiot. Wrong thread.

psst, this is a thread about dejuan ellis transferring to maryland.

Guerry is moving to Atlanta to work for GT not College Park to work for UMd. I see how this can be confusing, though, seeing as College Park, GA is a suburb of Atlanta...

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Shit! I shouldn't TKP on my phone!

Now finish up them taters; I'm gonna go fondle my sweaters.

Putting this in this thread because it relates to all the fretting about the Portal, transfers, and "team culture".

3 UDUB QBS ENTER PORTAL IN PAST 6 MONTHS

After Udub announced its starting QB Friday afternoon, the 2nd string QB threw his name into the portal, even though he was praised and told he would get snaps in the first game.
Udub basically said "later":

Per a statement from UW, "Sophomore quarterback ---- ------ has elected to leave the Washington football program, effective immediately."

After spring practice, 2 other QBs put their names in the portal.
One of them is already at UCLA sitting for a year, the other decided to stay at Udub and will be the new 2nd string QB with no game experience.
Their third QB is a true freshman.

Their message board sounds eerily similar to ours regarding transfers.

Source: https://247sports.com/college/washington/Article/Jake-Haener-Washington-...

Takeaways:

1. Confirmed - This is the new normal for top P5 programs
2. Guys who stick around instead of transferring get opportunities when others leave

I think the portal should have a time frame of when it's open for each sport.

Closed in season, open when a teams season is over.

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That sounds too reasonable for the NCAA to consider...

As long as players are not being properly compensated for their efforts, I don't support anything that restricts freedom of movement.