First post here.
Just curious, if we go to the ACC Championship and win, we go to the Orange Bowl, right? But if we lose, FSU goes to the National Title Game, assuming they win out.
So which ACC team goes to the Orange Bowl if the winner of the ACC Championship turns down the Orange Bowl bid for Pasadena? Is it up to the Orange Bowl Commission? Whoever will sell the most tickets?
(More importantly, why hasn't this been a problem before?? Gotta love the ACC!)
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I don't know, but ESPN blog seems certain it will be Clemson. They have VT in Chick-fil-a, which would be the 3rd place bowl (counting the BCS title game).
I believe its up to the BCS selection committee. Sadly this year I think Clemson would be thought of first for a second team in the BCS, despite Hokies making it to the ACCCG.
Pretty sure if the winner of the ACCCG turns down their automatic qualify for pasadena, then the orange bowl becomes just like a normal at large-bid meaning they would pick the next highest acc team since there are still ties. That should be Clemson assuming they win-out. That said, Clemson could easily pull a Clemson and screw everything up. Gottal love the ACC...
The orange bowl is not require to take an ACC team if FSU makes the MNC.
As I recall:
There is a rotating order in which Bowl games get at large bids. This year the Orange bowl gets the first at large pick of any bowl. However, bowls that lose a team to the MNC get to jump in front of the Orange bowl. To my knowledge, the OB is not required to take an ACC team if they don't have to.
In the event your confused, see this site: http://www.bcsfootball.org/news/story?id=4819597
I don't think your fourth bullet point is correct. I think the lower ranked of the non-AQ qualifiers is simply an at-large. From same source:
Ahhh thank you. I suppose we haven't seen two non-AQ conference champs ranked ahead of an AQ conference champ, have we?
Yes, plenty of times. As recently as last year, when NIU (MAC Champs, #15) and Boise State (MWC Champs, #18) both finished ahead of Louisville (BE Champs, #21) and Wisconsin (B1G Champs, unranked).
There was one year where two non-AQ teams both made BCS bowls, #4 TCU as the auto bid and #6 Boise earning an at-large.
I should probably just stop posting...
Nah, it's good. I probably just watch too much SportsCenter in the fall is all. My head is full of useless stats and information from the last 10 years in CFB.
I still wouldn't be surprised if South Carolina upsets klempson.
I probably wouldn't call it an upset. The game's in Columbia and USCe has beaten the fighting Dabos by at least 10 points 4 years straight. Sakerlina may even be the favorite in this one.
There's a whole list of procedures for which conferences/teams go where in the event of a team going to the NC. I'm not sure where it is, but if someone finds it, let us know. It generally isn't the #2 team in the same conference, unless that team was in line to get an at-large bid anyway.
This is correct. If FSU wins ACCCG and gets an invite to the MNC, OB gets an at-large selection. If there is another ACC team who has qualified for the BCS, the OB will probably invite them (read: Clemson) but are not contractually obligated to select another ACC team if another one has qualified. This caused a bit of a stir a few years back when the Rose selected Illinois to be sacrificed to USCw because the Ill U was lower than a lot of more deserving teams. They could do it because Illinois had qualified and they wanted the Big Ten/PAC Ten pairing, but other teams deserved to go more than Illinois did. Predictably, Illinois got pummeled.
(Source: http://www.bcsfootball.org/news/story?id=4819597)
We wouldn't be eligible for the Orange Bowl anyway. Gotta be in the top 14 of the BCS and there is no way we're in the top 14 if we go 9-4 (best case with a loss to FSU). But if we win, a VT-FSU rematch would be entirely possible.
While that is possible in theory, I don't see any bowl selecting 2 teams from the same conference, much less 2 that just played in a conference championship game. Just won't happen.
The Hokies are only going to the BCS with an ACCCG game, that much seems obvious. It seems likely that Clemson will be one of those teams that qualifies for an at large (really depends on what happens when they play South Carolina), and I could see the Orange taking them to maintain the ACC tie, especially with the extended contract we have with them moving forward as the playoff starts.
If the Orange loses FSU to the NCG, then my understanding is they move up in the pecking order and can take any eligible team they like (noting that other BCS games will still get contractual tie ins, i.e. OSU to the Rose Bowl, etc)
Even though we don't play Clemson this year, how freakin awesome would it be to see them get cheated out of an at-large BCS bid because we got the AQ spot to the Orange Bowl? I'd count that as a victory and LT3 would finish his career 1-3 against Clemson.
Now to beat Maryland and hope this dream can become reality.
That really would be the perfect way to finish up the redemption tour:
W vs. UNC
W vs. Pitt
W vs. Miami
Find a way to get a W against FSU and keep them out of the NC
Screw Clemson out of a BCS spot by taking the AQ w/ FSU as an at large
I can dream can't I
That'd be awesome. I hate Clemson almost as much as I hate UVA.
That would be awesome. Not much would make me happier (other than LOLUVA having another "good" year).
As the posts above explain, it's probably not going to be an ACC team in that scenario. I doubt that even if Clemson makes a BCS bowl that they'll go to the Orange.
I just hate that I have to root for Miami to win a game. Of course, it is Duke, so I'll manage.
I am tired of these bowls. They are expensive and the team seems to treat it as a vacation. If your not first(or second) your last
If "if you're not first, you're last" is the mentality you have, then you should love bowl games. In a vacuum, the better bowl game a school goes to, the stronger pitch they can make to high-level recruits right now and in the future (which will increase the chances of getting that crystal ball).
I'll put it this way: Assuming we go the orange bowl this year, we can make this pitch to recruits: "Virginia Tech has been a member of the ACC for 10 years. In those 10 years, we've won our division seven times, we've won our conference five times, and we've been to six BCS bowl games." Outside of Alabama, I don't think any program in the country has that in their recruiting basket.
The only other team that could would be Texas. I'm not entirely sure, though. They're always in the same conversations about 10 win seasons and BCS bowl bids as us.
They were. This season, they've been in more conversations about the Titanic than the BCS.
Although, with how pitiful the Big12 is this year, they very well might win it.
To me and some recruits, as shown by the PSU situation, the bowls don't matter unless you are 1 or 2 in the BCS. Until the +1.
Good for recruiting if we win those games, which we don't. Fans stop going because the product on the field lacking and it costs like 5x as much as a home game to attend. Sometimes they fall in the middle of the week after the holiday season. Could it be worse? sure. At least, twice I was able to drive to Miami and split gas. ~20 hours each way.
Under the current system, there are really only 3 advantages to going to a high end bowl game (thats not the NC game, obviously that has its own advantages)
1) Increased practice time per NCAA rules - gives a shot to see what some of your redshirt players have and what they can bring to the table next season
2) Increased regional exposure. I imagine this was one of the initial reasons for even having bowls. A chance to play (hopefully well) in front of an audience that might not have seen any of your games all season.
3) Momentum for the next year - See Clemson. A good win in a big name bowl over a good opponent gets the talking heads talking about you all off season and helps your ranking the next year.
Mind you, this only really helps if you are A) in a "name" bowl - even something like the Chik Fil A Bowl will do., and B_ You actually have to win once in awhile, which has been where our Hokies have been lacking
Missing one big advantage of going to a bowl game: $$$
split among the 14 members and minus the unsold ticket allotment?
My understanding was that a lot of teams lose out on bowl games financially unless you're talking one of the big BCS bowls. Even then by the time you divide out the conference shares, cover travel and required ticket sales it's not the money make that it would appear to be on the surface. I'd be surprised if we netted more from a bowl game than we did from a home game when its all said and done. There are indirect financial benefits to bowl games that come through the TV deals that the conferences can negotiate, and obviously if you are the SEC or the ACC in 2011 and you can snag two BCS bowls then that's a more substantial windfall for the conference.
outside of the national championship game, i've always looked at bowl games as a reward for the players and the fans. a chance to take a vacation somewhere warm in the winter
OSU - 6 championships from 2002-2009. 2012 would have been 7...
maybe not #7 either way. No sanctions = No Urban