If you're Fuente, what are you doing to improve for the second half of the season

How do you do from here in order to salvage this season?

There's a handful of things I'm doing:

  • On offense, decrease the size of the playbook, focus on improving at small handful of plays, and starting the QB who can best execute that small segment of plays.
  • Go for broke in kicking and special teams, play your best athletes here.
  • On defense, ask Bud to do Bud things. If he tells you need to sacrifice your pet cat to the football gods, you do it.
  • Focus on morale and culture. We may have to settle for some moral victories instead of actual victories. Start having one-on-one's with each player, ask them what their goals are, and come up with what you can do something for them this season. See if you can work their personal goals into individual games.
  • Focus on discipline - this team cannot afford to give up penalties.

Finally, IMO the number 1 goal for the rest of the season should be beating UVA. I'd rather go 4-8 (1-7 in the ACC) with a win over UVA than keep the bowl streak alive.

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Apologizing and resigning without accepting a buyout payment for all the damage I have done.

Beat GT

If you play it, they will win.

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that would improve the second half of the season? that's more of an offseason kind of move if you ask me.

"Why gobble gobble chumps asks such good questions, I will never know." - TheFifthFuller

I wouldn't be *completely* shocked if Fuente & Whit negotiated a smaller buyout.

Fuente is severely damaging his future coaching prospects, maybe he decides to quit while he's behind?

Hokies United l Ut Prosim

Yeah, that was a shocking move and not what I'd expect.

I'm thinking Fuente and Whit sit down and have a conversation where both sides want out (Fu because he wants to coach football again, Whit because this clearly isn't working) and the buyout gets re-negotiated to a smaller number.

Probably won't happen, but a guy can dream.

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Knowing Fuente, the answer is probably "rotate QBs until everyone is equally fed up with all four of them, and blame execution for every loss down the stretch which means it's 100% my fault".

Go for points on more plays. Honestly, TOs will probably continue climbing, but remind these guys they are talented and can be dangerous on offense with decent chunk / big plays. I can pull the data and build a graph if necessary, but nearly certain our scoring has been inversely correlated with our focus on the run game. We have talented WRs and a QB with an decent arm, go Big 12 for a game or two and see what happens. It literally can't get worse.

Not a strategy for the long-term, but if we are just focused on this season at least we are playing to win.

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yeah, and if we had a QB that could make intelligent RPO decisions, this could open up our run game, too.

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QB: put Hooker in. Not because he's the best chance to win, but because I don't want to waste another year of development on someone who won't help us next year. What's the worst that can happen? "Scared money don't make money" Well Willis is a losing proposition. Get in Hooker, give him a trial by fire at Miami, a tuneup game against Rhode Island, and see how he can grow throughout the rest of the year.

Hell, at least it will give Miami a wrinkle to deal with they may not have prepared for when Hooker actually lines up under center and plays a whole game like a normal QB instead of your wildcat option.

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just gotta hope his shoulder stays in its socket

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If you're not sure if my comment warrants a "/s", it probably does.

There's no reason Willis should take another snap for this team. It is far less a reflection of him than the coaching, but you can't realistically think that this team can make a run at the division when we have shown no fight and started 0-2 in the ACC. So why not play HH or QP to get them reps and experience?

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"Under center" lol

That's another thing we miss...

No, I *don't* want to go to the SEC. Why do you ask?

We don't love dem Hoos.

This is great except I just realized the coaching staff won't let him pass. So that doesn't help much.

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I would run the "win games" play. Just me though.

Psh you fool. That's a strategy not a play.

I'd run the "score a touchdown" play on offense, defense, and special teams.

You're fired.

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best play in the book

Now finish up them taters; I'm gonna go fondle my sweaters.

We need to stop this notion that this season can be saved. Even if we scrape together five more wins and preserve the bowl streak, there are deep-seared fundamental issues with our program that need to be addressed. This is not something that gets fixed midyear.

This season is lost. The whole program feels lost right now. We need long term solutions, not quick fixes. At this point I don't care if we go 2-10 or 10-2, I'm more concerned with what needs to be fixed.

To that end, here's what I do:

  • Hooker and King start the rest of the way, turnovers be damned. Willis and McClease are not the future of this program.
  • QP gets meaningful snaps every game. That includes throwing passes, running the whole scheme. He's the backup, not the wildcat.
  • The scoreboard doesn't exist. Our record doesn't exist. All that exists is the current drive. We just became the only team in the ACC that's playing in a developmental league.

Regardless of who our coach is next season, our return to respectability hinges on getting the current roster ready to play P5 football. That's my only concern moving forward.

"I liked you guys a lot better when everybody told you you were terrible." -Justin Fuente

Hooker and King start the rest of the way, turnovers be damned.

Hooker, fine. King will get hurt if he's shouldering a majority of the snaps.

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We need to get rid of the notion that the season CAN'T be saved.

This is about lots of little rookie problems adding up to seemingly insurmountable obstacles.

This is about lots of little rookie problems adding up to seemingly insurmountable obstacles.

Oh yeah?

I wholeheartedly disagree with that assertion. There is more than freshman mistakes at play here. Inexperienced players at P5 schools should still be fundamentally sound. On a fundamental level, we are unprepared to be playing P5 football. So again I say, it doesn't matter what our record is, or whether we make a bowl game. What matters is getting better on a fundamental level. That should be the sum total of our focus as a program right now. Whenever doing what is needed to win this season is at odds with the long term fundamental development of our players, we have to emphasize the latter if we are to see significant growth.

Stop. Caring. About. "Saving." This. Season.

"I liked you guys a lot better when everybody told you you were terrible." -Justin Fuente

Stop. Caring. About. "Saving." This. Season.

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Oh, I agree that the thing to work on is fundamentals, and that the fundamentals are more important. i don't think you'll find anything in any comment I ever make that will say anything different from that.

I just disagree that you don't try to win games or save the season. If you're not trying to win games, what's the motivation?

What you can't do is listen to the fans talking about how great we should be, or what team shouldn't be able to compete with us. Players absolutely do need to focus on the basics.

I think there's a give/take between winning games now and improving performance. You have limited time to work with players each week - Would that time be better spent implementing specific game plans for each opponent instead of focusing on technique for individual players, or would you prefer to spend time focusing on helping players improve fundamentals at risk of having a smaller playbook/a playbook less tailored for the upcoming opponent?

There's a trade off to be made. It's not all or nothing, but I think you have to decide how you're going to allocate your time.

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This is true, and both are important and interrelated.

Unfortunately, there are a lot of inexperienced players on the field, and looking lost. But even some of the more experienced players don't seem as focused as they should be on their own job.

The coaches do need to keep it simple, as the fundamentals are lacking. I just don't think it means giving up on the season.

Get to a bowl game. Beat UVa. It shouldn't be impossible. And the ONLY way to do that is to get the fundamentals nailed down.

I love you, dude and I'm usually there with you on the optimism front. However, this season is L-O-S-T. Go back and watch the Duke game. I was mad at myself last night, so that's what I did. That wasn't about rookie mistakes. That was most of the team completely mentally checking out after the 1st quarter.

The players played like they do not have faith that these coaches can put them in a position to win. With the current landscape, the coaches will probably start checking out because they know they're not going to be here next year. Instead of watching film, they're going to be at coachingjobs.com.

Not normally this gloom and doom, but 45-10 to Duke at home at night is a death knell, my brother.

As far as my opinion, barring a miraculous comeback, the best way forward is for Whit to rip the band-aid off and clear out everybody after this year. Firing Corny and others will not fix this. Who's going to come in and work for a wounded coach who's seriously on the clock? With that scenario, you're looking at the freshmen and sophomores that stick around having 3 position coaches in three years. That's not good.

At this point it's probably worth dropping the cash now.

Leonard. Duh.

I would like to argue, but...

I like your positivity but I disagree. This team needs to play for the future - I don't believe the scheme and mental errors are the actual crux of the issue. We have too many players that aren't good enough.

"I play real sports, not trying to be the best at exercising..." - KP

Rookie problems with however many returning starters against the easiest schedule in the country?

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OP, I appreciate you trying to start a discussion. This place is unbearable. Based on the first couple comments I guess this will be another thread of bitching to no one about everything.

"What are you going to do, stab me? - Quote from Man Stabbed

And by bitching about bitching, you took it to a meta level.

Bitchception.

"I liked you guys a lot better when everybody told you you were terrible." -Justin Fuente

I was trying to do a bitcherception, but the big guy got me. Touche

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Just go for discipline. Reduce the mental errors. Players need to stick to their own jobs.

They're playing desperate, not disciplined.

Is the playbook really that complex? If it is, simplify it a bit. I hate to say it, but trust the coaches. I can see how the plays are supposed to work, but the players gotta do their jobs.

The running backs need to go a bit faster. There are holes there, but they aren't huge - just not by the time the running back gets there. Why are the running plays are too slow to develop? Execute sharply, but the train needs to be there on time.

On defense, again, do your job, and do it completely. Many of the problems on defense are players who are coming up just short of success.

Is the playbook really that complex?

No, actually its not, that was one of the supposed strengths of Fuente's offense, fewer formations and more focus on high-level execution. Problem is---that isn't happening---and it's year four. This isn't a BC, ODU, Furman, Duke problem, it dates back to at least 2017 and involves a multitude of different players on offense, not just Fr. and So. There is something systemically wrong with how the offense is being taught or how its being run. Whether its a one or the other or both----its NOT being fixed. Its hard for me to see how we are going to all of a sudden discover the so-called fundamentals that are missing and make a massive improvement. Hasn't happened yet, hasn't even really been signs of it.

The running backs need to go a bit faster.

I'm not really even sure what this means. Do you mean literally that the RB need to improve their 40-times?--cause that's probably not very realistic. Or that they need to run faster into the non-existant holes that are not being created??

Many of the problems on defense are players who are coming up just short of success

Yes, giving up 45 points to Duke would be defined as not successful, but what matters is why?? Well, we have undersized DE who have not created any Pass Rush to speak of, little-zero depth at DT (although Crawford has been a man there), and a back 7 that don't have enough speed or agility. Those things are not fixable in a short time-span. Simply being "more fundamental," doesn't fix that. Its fantastic if you know exactly where you are supposed to be, but if you can't be there fast enough or can't beat the blocker to get there, it doesn't amount to much.

Look, I'd love to see this team completely turn things around, and finish the season strong, but the actual evidence on the field suggest that the odds of that are minimal under the current leadership. Giving vague platitudes about being more fundamental and executing better don't amount to anything without proper coaching, motivation, and leadership...nothing about the past 3 years of Fuente have demonstrated any of the 3 of those being present in this Program.

What I meant about the Running backs is that the rb needs to be coming out faster. You know, WITH THE BALL.

McClease seems to be hesitating, and the blocker is too far ahead of him. I've seen several plays this year where there was a hole there, and he wasn't in it. Then he shows up and doesn't get through it.

Would be interesting to do the film review on this. I mean, he NEVER gets through the line, and there are sometimes holes there. McClease isn't powering through anything. He needs to go when there is a hole.

Again, though, something that is not going to change.

McClease is a R-Jr. who has had his YPC average decrease every year that he has had significant carries. Neither makes guys miss nor does he break tackles consistently. He is what he is at this point. He hits me as the type of back that would function much better in a Traditional or I-form set, but we don't run that.

King has promise, but his body doesn't appear near-ready to be an every down back.

Laborn, Slade, Ford, Tyree, Corum---the lack of ability to land ANY of those guys is the problem here. That's on the Staff and their Recruiting misses.

I don't know if my suggestions would help or not.

I do know that we won't be able to change prior misses in recruiting.

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They HAVE to fix the blocking

Just rewatched the first quarter of the Furman game.

Honestly Cornelson is getting thrown under the bus for the Shibest/Vice Group.

If someone knows how to insert the YouTube clips, it would help but Dalton Keene/James Mitchell gets blown off blocks, whiffs on blocks...

King had 4.5 yards per carry...

but I can't tell you the number of lineman that are just standing around not blocking looking for someone to block because of missed assignments, or the number of lineman turned around running after someone they missed, whiffed....its not a joke, it's every single play, and not just one player although Dzansi had a really rough quarter.

Some of it is being young, I get that, Tayvion robinson gets blown up by a safety blocking the perimeter, I expect that. What I am sure most coaches, or players, or people who know what they're looking at are amazed by is that the o-line looks completely lost in every play.

But just watch the first quarter of UCF-UCONN. The play-calling looks to be very similar but there is a stark difference in results.

I agree.

There are way too many plays that are close to working except for just a tiny amount of effort. I see players looking either lost or looking around to see who is going to make the play.

Why are there so many missed blocks? When there is a hole, why is the running back two steps behind it?

It's like they are confused right when the ball is snapped. They don't really know what to do so they're almost hesitant it feels.

The fact that King had 4.5 yards per carry was surprising, he had zero help, nor did Willis.

It didn't look like they were even doing anything exotic, they were rushing 3 or 4 and just blowing by dudes.

Learning something new today:

They rushed 4 and 3 got to the quarterback.

This was the play before...

It looks like Kaleb Smith either got beat or the corner made a good play, but Dzansi got beat and either someone missed a block or the linebacker was the unblocked hat...wont pretend to say I know, but what I am seeing doesnt look to be ideal when there are 7 blockers and 7 guys to block and again 3 run through to make a play behind the scrimmage.

Compare that with these:

I have no idea if our philosophy is dramatically different than this offense, but I would imagine if we had blocked like these two plays, the above two would have different results..

And in conclusion, this is from the Furman game:

wow. We should start blocking.

Thank you for attending my film study.

Yep. I didn't watch the Duke game as closely but Furman was unspeakably bad for the offensive line. At the time I made the following comment

...the OL play was beyond atrocious this week. My dilemma is that there aren't many plays in the playbook when the blocking is that bad and it's difficult to evaluate how the rest of the offense is performing. I certainly don't think it's all good otherwise but the OL has to be better or the offense is completely hamstrung.

I still can't shake this particularly play, as we kept 7 players in to block 4 rushers and Willis was sacked in less than 3 seconds.

Joffrey, Cersei, Ilyn Payne, the Hound, Jeff Jagodzinski, Paul Johnson, Pat Narduzzi.

on the 2nd clip, Mitchell gets thrown to the ground like a child by the RDE, and our pulling guard has to block that DE instead of the filling LB. McClease sees that happen and hesitates, allowing the LCB and the LDE (who whips Dzansi to get back inside/playside) to catch him from the weak side. Keane puts up some kind of weak-ass block and kind of dances with his LB but at least keeps him out of the play.

I think we see McClease hesitating so much because he never knows who is going to bust their blocking assignment

I think you're right, but he has to just trust people to do their jobs, instead of busting every play himself through hesitation.

Probably easier said than done.

I watch a lot of football on Saturdays and I'm not sure I've seen a more deliberate (slow) offense.

Everything offensively looks disjointed and slow...from presnap to postsnap.

It's almost hilarious to hear to the crowd get excited about a four-yard run, but even those seem few and far between.

"Take care of the little things and the big things will come."

THIS.

They're never going to have more time. I don't want them dropping the ball, but there needs to be more urgency on running plays. The timing just doesn't seem right.

Not only slow but low energy like the Scottie Montgomery offenses at both Duke and ECU that telegraphed every play from scrimmage and got manhandled in every single game.

We're also clearly better when we play fast. I'd like to see an analysis with numbers but it seems like whenever we hurry it up it leads to big gains. We did it in one game last year, maybe GT or Notre Dame and started scoring then immediately went back to slow drop back heavy offense.

I commented in the game thread, "now watch us go fast and score"...we didn't and we didn't!

"Take care of the little things and the big things will come."

Find some way, any way, to motivate the team to play harder. Nearly everyone's body language was screaming quit on Friday halfway through the 2nd.

Simplify everything on offense and focus on attacking the defense directly instead of expecting that they'll bite on all the window dressing. If we're going to run the ball twice as much as we're going to throw at least blow off the ball and mash some dudes.

The Orange and Maroon you see, that's fighting on to victory.

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He needs to KISS the O. pound the rock, short passes, move the chains.
Eliminate Jet Fucking Sweep from his vocabulary
Let Bud do whatever he wants on D
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I don't get why people get so angry about jet sweeps or bubble screens. Against Furman, the offense tried to force pounding the rock and we literally couldn't do it. I know it's hard to imagine but our o-line was getting completely dominated by Furman. Meanwhile, the jet sweep successfully got the ball to the edge in a playmaker's hands and was probably our most consistant play. Certainly I agree it wasn't working in the Duke game but honestly we're overlooking the fact that not a single play call worked consistently. I can see how it makes some modicum of sense to at least try a play you had some degree success with before.

And that brings me to by far my biggest concern- we are already keeping things very simple and yet we can't even execute the basics.

Joffrey, Cersei, Ilyn Payne, the Hound, Jeff Jagodzinski, Paul Johnson, Pat Narduzzi.

We need a power run package that has no option component. There must be a way to invoke a power run scheme using Keene and a pulling guard or something to get a 4 yard gain on 2nd and 8 so we can be in manageable 3rd downs. Have a homerun pass off play action in the same look.

"If you don't have time to do it right, when will you have time to do it over?"

the playbook is already simplified, we ran the 3 same plays over and over again:

  • drag route over the middle, with 3 crossing routes coming across
  • inside zone read, which no qb seems to read correctly
  • jet sweep

we need to OPEN the playbook, and get serious about actually winning the game

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This was going to be my comment. We already run a very small playbook with 100% coming out of the gun.

Both running and passing plays are generally slow to develop. Running plays are based on misdirection and reads which obviously aren't working. That's coaching AND execution. From a scheme standpoint, how many times have they failed lining up in the gun on 3rd and 4th and short since the one season with Jerod? Having a slower and undersized back take the handoff 4-5 yards behind the line of scrimmage, or the QB fake the handoff, 4-5 yards behind the line and then try to get wide, repetitively, is beyond frustrating and the definition of insanity. Not putting the players in position to succeed like that seems to me to fall directly on the coaches. Please, please, get up under center in those situations.

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Yes.

Please send Fuente a note under the table. What we're doing now ISN'T WORKING.

Establish an offensive and defensive identity going forward.

play knox kadum, everyone else got a freaking shot last week. maybe try the punter at QB, he seems to be the most athletic guy on the team.
Seriously, if you are going to play another QB, please make sure he can pass the ball. It is tough to defend 11 guys in the box.

1. Stop Whining at Press conferences
2. Have some freaking emotion
3. Congratulate players when they do well
4. Get freaking organized
5. Fire the OC Immediately - he's a piece of crap, let Zorn Burden call the plays
6. Hire credible coaches not just your Buddies from Illinois State
7. One more time..stop whining at Press conferences like a little baby
8. Stick with One QB no matter who it is (personally I prefer Willis) but whatever
9. Don't switch QBs when you have someone working through the game
10. Don't switch the RBs until they get tired or ask to come out
11. Engage Alumni and have them come in and talk
12. Open it up to the fans
13. Spring Game needs to be televised
14. Running games needs to be Simplified, go Hat on hat and make the running back find the hole, at least we;ll get 2-3 yards
15. have some balls
16. Repeated once again...Stop Whining at the Press conferences
17. If you cannot do the above..Resign, take a minimal buyout like 1 Million and let Bud coach the rest of the season

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Half of that may be important in order to have support from the fan base when the chips are down, but is not why VT is losing football games.

You forgot no paper airplanes, and bring back "Stick it In".

Leonard. Duh.

I would like to see more Tisdale and Artis. Let's see what they can do once they get into the flow of the game.

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I would let my assistants coach and prepare for the actual games. I would be recruiting AND retaining the talent I do have. I would be doing whatever I could to maximize the 15 scholarships I have to give for 2020, instead of offering kids that Liberty and Charlotte are going after. We need more talent in here- period. We need a stud QB, we need a pass rusher, we need another better than average RB, We need corners that can play at this level, we need 3-4 more ACC sized DT's. We don't need anymore WR or mediocre backs. If I am Fuente, I'm constantly recruiting more talent at this point. We are 0-2 in the ACC. Bud can run the defense. Let Corn and Vice run the offense and make the game plans. We are not that good on the field. Go get some players that can help that- not simply 3 year projects or average prospects. If he doesn't do this, he won't be here much longer anyway.

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Figure out who the fuck has some pride and let em run wild. Whatever the fuck he's doing that's making this team quit, stop doing that. I'll take 2-10 and playing their nuts off over 6-6 and squeaking by half scared. Losing isn't the problem for me. The quit, lack of identity, lack of pride, and negative energy are. Fix that shit.

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If Fu shows as much emotion at practice and during game prep as he does everywhere else then we are screwed. Energy comes from the top. I don't just mean energizing the team either. He needs to reenergize the fan base to get back behind him and the team. He holds a press conference like a doctor who just failed at a quadruple bypass surgery and has to break the news to the family. Honestly not surprised though. He has further alienated alumni. He doesn't fully get how the head coach gig works. Fuente is probably a better OC at this level than the guy in charge. If he wants to be a head coach he needs to grow some balls or step back down to the mid-majors.

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1. Redshirt everyone who can be redshirted. There's no need to waste anyones eligibility on this season. This includes KK.
2. Play QP and HH exclusively. Mix of playtime to be decided by new OC
3. Get new OC
4. Do not punt for the remainder of the season (sorry Oscar)
5. Do not kick XPs for the remainder of the season - 2 pt conversions only
6. Onside kick offs only
7. Run some crazy ass trick/gadget plays frequently

....I'm only partially kidding?

I'm right with you on 1-3

I dont get the reasoning on the punts/kicks?

Somewhat joking but it would certainly make it more interesting to watch.

Is...is that the Annexation of Puerto Rico?

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On offense, decrease the size of the playbook, focus on improving at small handful of plays, and starting the QB who can best execute that small segment of plays.

If he tells you need to sacrifice your pet cat to the football gods, you do it

I've thought a lot about the Jerry Kill press conference and then it hit me... Kill still talks and acts like a CEO. Like a head coach!

Fuente still speaks like a coordinator not a head coach. I truly wonder how much he actually coaches his coaches, kisses babies, eats rubber chicken at banquets, calls parents of recruits and players and schmoozes high dollar alums to get resources for his program? Like it or not, he's the face of the program. If he's not gonna act like it he ought to fire Corny, demote himself to OC and let somebody else drive the bus!

Maybe we can have Kill call Recruits Dads since that seems to be problem for ole' JF.....(ducks)

Give up on establishing the run early. It just isn't working. If we have to throw the ball 45 times to get the offense moving, then throw the damn ball. Our O line can apparently only pass block but we are trying to force the run.

I don't know enough about the X's and O's of football to seriously weigh in on this topic but that's never stopped anyone else so here are my suggestions.

Bench Willis. He is not the future (assuming HH is healthy enough to play).
Give the ball immediately back to King after he fumbles. He's the only shot we have at a spark on offense (outside of our WR corp who we can't get the ball to consistently)
QP to RB. Unlike King, Quincy is built to handle some abuse. Once he has established himself as a legit running threat then let him throw the ball and catch the D out of position.
Figure out what things the O line can do well as a group and do more of that.
Overall, take more chances. We are not consistent enough to be conservative or methodical.

Our players cannot execute our scheme. We need to adjust our scheme to the strengths and abilities of our players. Find the players on the team who can make something out of nothing and get the ball in their hands as much as possible.

If the offense can find a way to score some points when we need them it will give the D a reason to play a full game and not check out.

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Would hurt us this season but I'd redshirt King. Zero point in burning a year of eligibility on him.

Yep.

Alright so let me be serious about this:

1) Fuente went through a similar situation in 2013 during his second season at Memphis. Team was awful, they went 3-9 that year. At least Fuente has experience being in a dumpster fire and turning it around (he went 9-3 in 2014...granted it was G5 football but still).

2) Bench Willis. Willis had more than a fair opportunity to prove himself. Choose your favorite between Hooker and QP and roll up your sleeves. I don't buy the "I don't want to hurt my QB's confidence" narrative. There are zero expectations for success here. If the new QB fails, no one is actually going to blame the QB. If your QB's confidence is shaken if he sucks when he's expected to suck then he's not mentally tough enough to be a P5 QB.

3) Simplify the offense that highlights your personnel's strengths. Script out your first 10 plays every game so that the new QB isn't overwhelmed. Help your QB develop chemistry with his pass catchers.

4) Pick five fucking OL and stick with them.

5) Redshirt King. Let him go into the weight room full time during the season and get big. Tell him he's going to be the bellcow in 2020 to motivate him in the offseason. Don't care if McClease et. all transfer, they all had chances to prove themselves and it didn't work out.

6) Clean house on the offensive side of the ball. You're not going to get the perfect OC so hire a guy who covers up your weaknesses and vice versa. Fill the position coaches with Christian Weber-types: young, smart, hungry and can recruit their behinds off. You're not going to get the pick of the litter types so gamble on coaches with youth and unproven potential as their weaknesses.

A couple of weeks ago fans had their pitchforks out because Fuente took King out for a handful of series for poor ball handing.

Just sayin'.

Edit: whoever is serially downvoting my comments, feel free to argue with words, but downvoting opinions is a weasel move.

He can still redshirt this year if he doesn't play another down. I don't see how playing King benefits anyone unless you're 100% sure he will leave early.

So he only benefits if VT wins?

We've got some banged up quarterbacks. So you pull the rest of the team?

What are we playing for here? We're not going to the playoff, we're not going to win the coastal. The best we can do right now is keeping the two streaks alive. Is that worth burning our most talented player's redshirt? Especially given how small he is (higher proclivity for injuries).

King is our stud for the 2020 and 2021 season. If he's on the roster in 2022 and 2023, that's a good thing.

So we quit every time we're not going to make the playoffs?

Is King our only talented player? Aren't you letting down the rest of the team if you do that? I mean, they don't count?

You play to win games. You have to use the players you have.

Agreed. And while King is good he's not David Wilson/Ryan Williams/Kevin Jones good. If we can't recruit another RB as good as King in 3 years time then there's no reason to be saving for 2022 anyhow.

A couple of weeks ago we had at least a little hope of the season not being lost

Crazy how one game made even the optimists non-believers.

To be clear, I've been on the non-believer of Fuente side since last year. That being said, I still had a desire for him to turn it around. The past 4 weeks tell me he isn't gonna do that, with last week being the cherry on top of our crap sundae.

I've been a semi-Fuente defender until the Duke game. Was willing to give him a pass for last year given how weird everything was. (Losing arguably our four best defensive players and our starting QB before conference play, co-DC getting fired in an embarrassing fashion, Bud going through a divorce etc.)

The Duke game made me embarrassed that the football team is a defining part of Virginia Tech culture.

I agree. I think we just need to start Hooker at this point. He may not be fully ready in the passing game, but is that really any worse than a QB whom the staff doesn't fully trust and has to limit the passing game in order to avoid turnovers? Hooker did demonstrate some great athleticism on Friday. If he can open up the run game somewhat, we would at least have some decent opportunities open up for him in the pass game and make things a little easier on him. I don't think QP is he answer at this point, and he would basically just be a battering ram. Hooker has far more speed and ability to make a man miss. I have haunting visions of LT just barreling right into a wall of defenders with that terrible 2012 offense if we put QP in the game.

I'm scared about redshirting King at this point because we really don't have a lot of good options at RB. We may need him.

My understanding is that his non throwing shoulder falls out of socket reaching for the salt.

"If you don't have time to do it right, when will you have time to do it over?"

Would love to know how a backup QB in an orange no contact jersey separates his non throwing shoulder.

May not even be true but he does have a brace on it. We will probably never know.

"If you don't have time to do it right, when will you have time to do it over?"

My understanding is that his non throwing shoulder falls out of socket reaching for the salt.

He should have stopped by TKP, where the salt is never much of a reach.

I'm no doctor, but I heard Chris Coleman on the TSL Podcast earlier this week suggest that Hooker may have a torn labrum in his non throwing shoulder (he only speculated). If this is true, even hits, stretches, etc. on that shoulder can serve to cause more damage to other parts of his shoulder (this happened to me). I'm not so sure it is in his best interest to carry the offense, especially on the ground.

Is coronavirus over yet?

If this is true, he should have had surgery a few days to a week after it was diagnosed.

Wait, what?

Negative ghost rider... Most people wait much longer than that with a labrum. Mine went for over a year, until our schedules cleared out enough for me to be able to make it happen. But I also wasn't a student athlete

Is coronavirus over yet?

My bad on communication here.

What I meant by that post is 1 of 2 things can be true. Either this part is true:

If this is true, even hits, stretches, etc. on that shoulder can serve to cause more damage to other parts of his shoulder

Meaning that if a hit will cause MORE damage to OTHER parts of his shoulder, he should NOT be playing at all right now IMO and should have been scheduled for surgery as soon as possible to get him ready for Spring.

Or it is not true that more damage would be caused to other parts of his shoulder.

I, like a large number of people on here, have also had a torn labrum. They didn't even bother to repair mine. So I understand the timetable.

But I can't believe if additional damage was possible that they would allow him to play, although I suppose that's a third possibility. I guess I really shouldn't have discounted it.

Wait, what?

Gotcha... I misread as well... You are 100% correct there (which was my point). I waited on mine for quite some time and it affected other things in and around my shoulder.

Part of me wonders if they would stop him and get the shoulder fixed if he played any other position.

Is coronavirus over yet?

Yep. I've had two labrum surgeries and cannot imagine playing NCAA football with that injury. However, if it is his non-throwing shoulder, the damage is pretty much done at this point. If he can strengthen it enough to maintain the muscle he has now and get through the season before surgery, he should be able to recover in time to participate in no-contact spring ball. As a reference point, I tore mine the 2nd time in college and was back swinging a bat within 3-4 months.

"That's it guys. Let's get out of here. That cold drink's waitin' on us, let's go." - Mike Young after win no. 300.

Dang dude. You're a BOSS for sure!

I guess mine also had a torn bicep tendon and a few other things, but I'm two years out and I'm beginning to wonder if it will ever get back to normal (I'm also in my 40's).

Is coronavirus over yet?

Would upvote you if I could, but I need more Turkey Legs (subtle/not so subtle request, LOL). The bicep part is absolutely what takes the longest. I had a partial bicep and it took 4-5 years before I could completely trust that (I'm now in my 30s). I'm not a doctor, but if there is a significant risk of him tearing the bicep tendon, then I think the OP is correct. I imagine a lot depends upon the location of the labrum tear. A SLAP tear is what you typically see in throwing athletes, which is towards the top of the shoulder and has a greater chance of involving bicep (think 10-2 on the clock face). A bankart tear is towards the bottom (3-6 on the clock), which you typically see from falls, football, etc. Having had both, the bankart is much easier to come back from IMO. Hoping HH comes out of this okay either way, but I feel bad for him if labrum is truly the issue.

"That's it guys. Let's get out of here. That cold drink's waitin' on us, let's go." - Mike Young after win no. 300.

Would upvote you if I could, but I need more Turkey Legs (subtle/not so subtle request, LOL).

Reply to this and I got you

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"That's it guys. Let's get out of here. That cold drink's waitin' on us, let's go." - Mike Young after win no. 300.

"That's it guys. Let's get out of here. That cold drink's waitin' on us, let's go." - Mike Young after win no. 300.

Sweet!

I uprooted all of your posts. As to my shoulder, I was just beginning to settle into the reality that I'm getting older and my body isn't responding as well to things.

Is coronavirus over yet?

I like this approach, my only caution is that VT is never going to get a bunch of 4 and 5 star players at certain positions consistently - 100 years of football have proven this- so in order to win and play for conference championships we need great coaching. Billy Hite, Bud Foster, JB Grimes...great coaches, not great recruiters.

Yes. I think if we're going to succeed, and I keep harping on this, we need to be Wisconsin. Recruit in the 30-40 range but get a staff that can evaluate talent, not star rankings, and bring in players that will develop in the system that we want to run.

Amen. Chryst runs his system- I formation, 2 TE, run the ball. Much like Beamer's system really. Wisky knows how to recruit and develop OL though.. something VT struggled with. I wish we were Wisconsin right now.

Put QP and Hendon Hooker in at the same time. Double Decker Wild Turkey all night long.

Leonard. Duh.

Surely someone has already mentioned special teams. I would LOVE to see a game where we return a kick beyond the 20, have no penalties, no muffed punts, and maybe even a punt return where we get north/south.

Agreed. This is an area that has been a glaring indictment of the coaches lack of ability to prepare our players for games. I may be wrong but I believe we returned one kick-off beyond the 25 yard line against duke and it was called back due to a penalty. Unless it is a bad kick or a line drive that outruns the coverage, fair catch the ball and take the 25 yard line.

Our punt returner seems to make the wrong decision more times than not as to whether to fair catch, return, or let the ball bounce. Returning punts is like playing center field in baseball. The returner should know whether or not he can return the ball without ever looking down the field. He should be able to judge the kick like a fly ball and know based on the trajectory and amount of hang time if he should return it or not.

Hezekiah had a really nice return with several missed tackles in the Duke game up to around the 50 if I remember correctly. Other than that, I agree.

Triple Option with QP at QB1, and Hooker, King, and McClease in the back field. If we have to be miserable watching, then opponents need to be miserable having to defend the triple option.

If I were Fuente now, I'd act tough and like I knew what I was doing while I looked for a real nice spread in the Bahamas for my $15 million dollar retirement
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OH CRAP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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now is a good time to buy while all the property is severely devalued from the hurricane.

There's just so much that is broken. I'm going to work off the following assumptions: 1. Fuente actually is a good offensive coach 2. In his role as HC he hasn't been involved with actual coaching but has been trying to take on more of a management role. 3. Bud can be left to his own devices with the defense.

#1. I meet with Bud and Whit to apologize for the shortcomings offensively and lay out a plan for the remainder of the season.

#2. In that meeting I pitch this plan: set Jerry Kill to work evaluating offensive coaching staffs around the country. Take over offensive coaching duties from Cornelson (keep him on staff as a figurehead only). I'm going to work primarily with the QBs but I'm also going to critically evaluate the techniques that are taught in the other position groups and tell those coaches what I want to see from their players and advise them on how to coach those techniques. These meetings will be uncomfortable but my pitch to the position coaches is that the offense hasn't worked yet and there's not much to lose. I'll take the heat publically to shelter them from the major criticism. I'll protect them as much as I can but we're going to do things my way now. I'm going to take complete control over the play calling and adjustments in game.

#3. I'm going to meet with the players and apologize for having failed them. I'm going to let them know how important it is to me that we set them up for success and that is why I am making changes to hopefully get this ship righted and back on course heading into the off season.

#4. I'm going to start showing a little more emotion and moxy on the sidelines so that my renewed energy is reflected by the players. I'm going to encourage great effort and teamwork by rewarding players for doing well instead of punishing players for making mistakes.

#5. I'm going to cater the offense to the strengths of the players as best as I can without overwhelming them. I want them to be able to go and play without overthinking or worrying about making mistakes. I'm going to drill this idea into them from now on: mistakes happen. Get up and get back to work. We're not looking for perfection any more. We want to see effort in every responsibility of your position and teamwork with the players on your left and right. We're going to evaluate your effort and reward those who work hard everyday.

#6. I'm gonna go out there and win some God damn ball games!

If a tree falls in Scott Stadium does it make a sound?

You're hired.

Have my vote (and a leg)

I'm just here to sling some legs

I like your take, however... and I'm not calling you out specifically, but this is as good a place as any to throw this out there....

If you don't think Fuente shows emotion on the sidelines, you're not attending the games. The two games I've attended, Fuente daps up his guys when they do something good. Much more than last year. It's apparent that he's consciously working on that.

You mostly get emotionless Fuente on TV because of the sports broadcasting practice of zooming in on the head coach when bad stuff happens. When good stuff happens it's all about zooming in on the on-field player celebration.

And also, nothing really good happened during most of the 1st half Furman, and most of the game last week for said emotion to take place.

(If anybody needs to light a fire under his own ass, it's Coach Bud. He looks like he retired last August and just scored a sideline pass as a fan. A sleepy fan at that.)

Leonard. Duh.

I sent this to a couple of friends asking for thoughts on the situation:

Since you asked.....I have migrated from TSL to thekeyplay because it is 5% less toxic, has more intelligent content for the football dweeb in me, and a maybe a few smarter posters. As to Fuente, the $15M buyout makes firing him a non-starter. Even if negotiated down to $10M, that is more than our program could pay understanding the next coach would have to be paid much better than Fu. We are stuck with CFU for at least the next 3 years. So with that said a few things that need to change:
β€’ CFUbar has to learn not to be a dick. We knew he was a dick on day one but put up with it because he won the first two seasons. Sadly that was not sustainable and he has to adapt to the circumstances or he is going down as the coach that ruined VT football and his next job will be at OK City High School.
β€’ I do not understand why Hooker and Q cannot throw the ball. Whatever the reason, this lack of development has to be fixed. Sending in a clearly running QB that has never made a NCAA pass...and then simply running the ball is just plain stupid. This is on CFUbar as he was hired as the QB whisper.
β€’ You know my rants on CFUBars short yardage strategy but that has to be fixed. Simply handing the ball to a RB that is not moving from the shotgun is not going to work.
β€’ This year's problems are not on Willis. He would be a top 4 ACC QB if we had an experienced Oline and better game plan. Maybe top two if he could figure out the RO.
β€’ VT is well scouted and I bet my local 3A HS team (which provided VT's Mook and 2 other NFL players recently) could stuff VTs first few possessions because they are so predictable. We all get the Corny/CFUbar plan, do a few things, see what the other team does, and then work from there. The only problem is the other team knows this, stuffs the jet screen and other standard VT plays, and then changes to a new defense as VT gets more and more desperate. I am OK scripting the first few plays, JUST CHANGE THE FUCKING SCRIPT.
β€’ The defensive problem is pretty simple. Injuries, early departures, portals, so so recruiting, and sick of CFubar left us with a depleted DL. In the day, our DBs were great mainly because the DL was great. The two complemented each other. The LBs were up and down but It did not matter much because the DL and DBs. There is no fix for this but time, better recruiting, and a less dick of a coach. I know there are comments on a LB and FS which are mostly right but fixable.
β€’ Similar comment on the OL plus the addition of the assholes at the NCAA. You cannot run or pass with a crew this young.

If it were only the last two bullets I would give CFUbar a lot more slack. I have been suspicious of him since I saw the TV bit during the Belk bowl about him not letting players talk during pre-game meals, The success at VT over the last decade and half is unprecedented. It really is asking too much for a small school in SW Virginia with our lack of funds to be top 20 year and year out. The best programs (Alabama, Miami, TX, A&M, FLST, Tenn, USC, UCLA...) have experienced periods like this. We are not special. Honestly, it is probably harder in the world of internet and multiple recruiting websites making VA recruiting not a secret anymore. As to the question on CFUbar, he has to adapt pretty quickly or it will end badly for all of us.

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I am certain all of these people calling out Fuente's personality have never actually met him. There's no way. Personality wise, he's always been a good guy every time I've met him, family guy, not much different than Bud honestly in a short dose.

The offense has disappointed, I thought naysayers would be eating their words this year. But it has. Not. Gone. Well

The culture doesn't seem to be working to put it lightly and players don't seem to be developing.

He doesn't have the hype that fans want him to have to lock up all the in-state talent.

You don't like him, that's fine, but if you have no first hand experience, there's no need to call out his character.

He's a good coach, people forget what a dumpster fire Memphis was. But somethings not working and losing the support of old players is the most concerning.

As to Fuente, the $15M buyout makes firing him a non-starter. Even if negotiated down to $10M, that is more than our program could pay understanding the next coach would have to be paid much better than Fu. We are stuck with CFU for at least the next 3 years. So with that said a few things that need to change:

We stand to lose far, far more money keeping him around for 3 more years than anything we'll deal with regarding the buyout and salary for a new staff.

Far, far more. Virginia Tech football funds literally our entire athletic department. Crowds are already getting thin in Lane, and another year of this will see regular crowds fall to around 20k-30k per game. That's a significant hit to our revenue streams that would be financial suicide to our entire athletic department.

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This is a very tricky spot for Whit. If he did clean house and the next guy doesnt right the ship quickly, you have both problems. This is going to come down to whether Whit believes Fuente can turn this sinking ship around. The odds get worse and worse for a resurgence when teams start going in the red chasing the right coach because it becomes a less and less desirable situation as the talent and recruit confidence dwindles. Very tricky spot indeed.

I don't even know what I would do in his situation. The best defense I can make for Fuente is that he is having very unfortunate luck at the qb position. Willis never should have been a starter for us. You can blame Fuente for lack of development with the young guys, but that just doesn't hold water considering his track record. My best guesstimation is we are seeing the best qb play the team has to offer and it is horrible and the evaluation can only be so much to blame when hordes of other teams were chasing those same qb recruits. I'm rambling because I don't have an answer. Throw QP in there and lets find out I guess. I have seen enough Willis and Hooker's arm is taped on.

"If you don't have time to do it right, when will you have time to do it over?"

What specific sports programs are you willing to cut to get the $15M buyout?

Are you willing to personally look a kid in the face and tell them they no longer have a scholarship (partial for most sports)?

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Yes, because that will happen

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Thanks for the reply.

It can and does happen, when a football program's revenue suddenly falls off a cliff. It happened at Maryland, before they jumped to the Big Ten, and I'm sure you could find numerous other examples of it happening around the country.

Maryland did that, and the sun came up the next day. they have also won several team sports championships since.

I'm not saying it can't be done. I was just asking if it were to be done, what programs would Alum07 cut, and would he be willing to look the student-athletes in the eye and tell them. That's the type of decision Whit would have to make in order to prevent completely destroying the Athletic Department with debt. It's a hard thing to do, and I don't imagine Whit would just shove it off on his coaches.

Nobody ever wants to answer these questions for some reason but swimming and diving is easily the most obvious candidate. We made a fairly large commitment by helping to fund the $15M Christiansburg Aquatic Center in 2010 but based on the lack of recent media guides (none since 2010 on HokieSports) and readily available information on the program, I wouldn't be shocked if they weren't getting more limited support as it is.

Joffrey, Cersei, Ilyn Payne, the Hound, Jeff Jagodzinski, Paul Johnson, Pat Narduzzi.

Checks Maryland football score from last week. Yawns.

This year's problems are not on Willis. He would be a top 4 ACC QB if we had an experienced Oline and better game plan. Maybe top two if he could figure out the RO.

This is not accurate IMO. Willis cannot run the zone read which means he cannot run an RPO. Not only that, when he does get time he regularly locks in on his primary WR or tucks and runs earlier than necessary.

Is coronavirus over yet?

I concur with jobus below. You obviously have not met the man. I have. He is not a dick, and you belittle your own critiques by calling him that, and I'm fairly certain overstep the terms of service. Coach Fuente is about a good a man as you can find, has an awesome family. He is not FUBAR and not a "dick". Yes, we can disagree with him on how to run the team, but that does not make him a "dick" and FUBAR. Yes, I down-voted your post because of the name calling. Without your hyperbolic "dick" and FUBAR schtick, your critiques are welcome.

Fair enough. Dick is probably harsh because I do believe him to be a good person. Replace "Dick" with "anal retentive and awkward" and couple that with "inability to communicate to todays players" if you will. In this day and age the results are the same and it is a distinction without a difference.

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He reminds me a little of tom landry on the sideline. I just don't think he has that attractive quality that makes kids want to come play for him. He's stern and not too fun as a general theme.

"I play real sports, not trying to be the best at exercising..." - KP

On offense, decrease the size of the playbook, focus on improving at small handful of plays, and starting the QB who can best execute that small segment of plays.

Now finish up them taters; I'm gonna go fondle my sweaters.

That score looks very accurate for what we should expect 1Q this Saturday.

Now finish up them taters; I'm gonna go fondle my sweaters.

I was never able to successfully run the draw in any video game

Danny is always open

On offense, only run the plays that are consistently, cleanly executed...however few that is. If necessary, drop the RPO, block for a run or block for a pass. Don't make the young OL's guess.

On D, play aggressive up front and soft in the back...make the offense guess who isn't rushing...maximize the chance to force negative plays for the opponent...every down.

Play the guys you know you need for the future. Focus on playing incrementally better every week. Celebrate successes, however small.

On offense, only run the plays that are consistently, cleanly executed...however few that is

Victory formation for the win!

I don't think I have seen any play that has been consistently cleanly executed, or even cleanly executed over 1/3 of the time.

Punting. Punting has been fairly well executed.

way to go, now karma will fix that, too : )

Lol. Well shit.

Fuente will do what Fuente does. Stare at the scoreboard stoically. Change nothing. Maintain his support for Willis and Corn. Keeping talking platitudes that we got a great team that just needs to play better. And sit back and watch yourself get humiliated for the rest of the season.

You sort of remind me of Dennis Randy Quaid in Major League 2.

"If you don't have time to do it right, when will you have time to do it over?"

Randy Quaid