Why am I seeing posts in these threads about being ok with just average seasons and or 10 win seasons? I mean isnt the goal a national title here? Its what kids want to play for. To be on the big stage. I know a lot of people hate Saban but I want a team whos gonna battle for the NC every yr or be in contention at least like bama does. You can still run a clean successful program and get to that point. We shouldn't be settling for less. The players don't and we shouldn't.
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10 wins was a realistic goal for this season. We are rebuilding.
Bur realistically, EVERY year is rebuilding in college football, when you have 4-5 years of playing time. What was last year's excuse?
Three coaches no longer wear a VT on their chest. What do you think it was?
A team with another year of experience under its belt, that had veteran players in many, or at least key, spots. And while coaches coach, and wear the logo, they don't step out on the field at game time.
If that was truly the case, coaches wouldn't make millions. It's their responsibility to coach technique and implement an intelligent gameplan to maximize the strengths of their team. The previous coaching staff CLEARLY was unable to do that. The current one has at least proven competent in that regard.
Understand that players don't know the techniques out of the womb. And I agree that the changes we made were necessary, and well overdue.
Look, I get your point, but I also feel like the OP that started this has a valid point - we VT fans tend to settle. Maybe it's because we feel like we're that Little School That Could, or being off in the Virginia mountains, or whatever, but we have hit a certain level and stopped. I think the OP is voicing a certain displeasure in all that.
(And coaches make millions because ALL of us that love college football pretend to believe in the myth of the student-athlete, and ignore the element of players being hired guns. I feel like our guys are less mercenary than other places, but that might be my OWN Kool-Aid talking.)
I definitely get what you're saying in that second paragraph, but I think that's a really dangerous thought process. "New" does not always automatically = "better." Even if we did make a slam-dunk hire on the level of Saban or Harbaugh, it might take a couple seasons to actually see results. My point is: when you talk about replacing the best, most consistent aspect of your program, the risk is far greater than the potential reward, IMO.
As for that Kool-Aid, I drink it daily myself. I wouldn't know what was real anymore if it came out that Beamer wasn't actually running a clean program.
If Beamer isn't running a clean program I would most like have a pretty major breakdown. The fact that Virginia Tech plays by the rules is such a huge part of our identity in my eyes. If we're going to beat you it's going to be because we're better than you. Not because we were the ones with more money to throw at the problem.
My risk/reward scenario would have better returns than the normal, I think. If we're talking about making a change.
The major problems when a long-term, successful coach leaves isn't the HC part. It's the entire staff being replaced. Making Bud the head coach would lessen that shock wave, unless other coaches in the staff couldn't bear the idea of working for him. The hard part would be the actual stepping down for HCFB - if he's not completely ready to go, it's a disaster. (See: State, Penn AND Florida)
Everyone is talking like Bud will come in and get a national championship right off the bat. There is ZERO guarantee that he will even be able to match the success that CFB has had. I know he's a great coordinator, but that doesn't always promise success as a head coach.
Remember, plenty of teams have thought about Bud as a HC. Yet he's not one.
I'm not talking about that at all. I'm saying that Bud Foster would be a good head coach. I'm saying HCFB won't be HC forever. I'm saying that a Bud Transition would go better than most changeovers. (Again, see "Fulmer, Phil" and "Tennessee, University of, drain, swirled down" in the encyclopedia.
I'm also saying that a change from Frank to Bud might allow us to move toward that NC - the one that we went for, yet plateaued in the attempt. Will it happen - it's certainly no guarantee. But it might put a change in the air, from the whiff of complacency people can sense.
And maybe it might break the "we can only recruit in the Commonwealth of Virginia" mentality that we also have - in my opinion. It's been said the other 49 states play the game at the high school level, too. But that's probably another subject for a different thread.
We have plenty of recruits from other states...so I'm not sure where you're going with that. Yes, the majority are from Virginia, but Virginia tech is in Virginia. That almost makes sense.
As for Bud being a good coach, yes, you're saying he will be. But there's zero guarantee that he will be, whether you say so or not. Just because you're convinced he'll win a national championship doesn't make it so.
There's no reason to give up the winningest active coach in college football for an unproven, inexperienced coordinator (and I say inexperienced and unproven in terms of past head coaching experience).
I hear we even have a Canadian guy on the team.
And also a Bahamian
All those veteran players were on the defense. We knew coming in to this season the offense would be young, very young. And yet, six close wins in a row suddenly had everything thinking "we deserve a national championship". We all got caught up in it, and forgot what our more realistic expectations had been
11 True/Redshirt Freshman players have started for us this year. It is a rebuilding year. Just look at the players on offense who have contributed:
Freshmen:
Trey Edmunds RB
JC Coleman RB
Kalvin Cline TE
Josh Stanford WR
Chris Mangus RB
Joel Caleb RB
Johnathon McLaughlin OL
Sam Rogers FB
Besides the remaining starters on the OL, the only other upperclassmen are Byrn (who was green before this year), Coles (who was/is not 100%), and Logan. That's it.
This was destined to be a rebuilding year - if the above freshmen don't produce in Loeffler/Beamer's system as Juniors and Seniors, then let's talk.
JC Coleman is a true sophomore.
I had that same thought when I read this but maybe he was just making the point of youth. Coleman is the same academic year as Trey Edmunds.
I hear this all the time.
What is UVAs excuse. They have talent and the kids are the ones playing.
Sorry, but national championship was not a goal this year. Improvement was.
No matter what team, national championship may always be the final goal, but realistically, most teams can't set that as an actual legitimate goal.
Serious question: is this team, overall, an improvement?
I would say elements are better, but some are worse, so I'd argue the jury might still be out on improvement. Yes, we all feel better about ourselves this year, since we qualified to keep The Streak alive far, FAR sooner, but we stand one game better on the docket. And to me, some of the losses this time out were more gut-wrenching than the year before. Losing to UM, FSU and Clemson last year had some amount of dignity - even a loss to UNC wasn't the end of the world. But Duke at home (yes, they're better, but at home?), BC (still a lesser opponent), and Maryland (a dumpster fire at this point, and getting ripped by local media) isn't great.
I BELIEVE that we're better than UVa, and will beat them, which can help us feel better that this IS an improved program. But I/we also knew we were better than Duke, BC, and UMd, and look how that turned out.
I would love national championships every year. Am I going to call for Frank Beamer to go, or the players to be kicked on the street if they don't make it? No. Only one team a year gets a national championship. It's not easy. And so while I hope for a national championship, that doesn't mean I expect it. So yes, 10 win seasons are fine by me, because those are pretty darn good seasons that only a handful (relatively speaking) of teams get to experience, and we get them almost every year.
It's not "settling," it's being a realistic and supportive fan who appreciates and supports their team.
We used to get 10 win seasons. It may be another couple years before we get to that point again. And for the record I wasn't talking about this year in general. I was more or less talking about the program in general. I want VT to be in the spotlight. I want this team to succeed at the highest level. And if were all not shooting for that then we have problems
It hasn't even been two full years since then, and we've made what I think are some major improvements in terms of coaching, and recruiting is picking up. I think we're closer than maybe you believe.
And point out to me a single Hokie fan who wouldn't want a national championship. Doesn't mean we have to be miserable every year we don't get one.
LOL im gonna be miserable if we keep losing to these craptastic teams! I do think the coaching staff that we hired will do us good. But we really need to hit the recruiting trail pretty damn hard. If we can ever get this team an offense to match the defense we have it would be lights out
I think that's actually exactly what we're looking at.
2016 will blow it up!
I don't want to be the current Miami.
Did you forget that in 2008 when we had to win the ACCCG and the Orange Bowl to get to 10 wins? It's not like we were 10-2 every single one of those seasons in addition to the ACCCG and bowl games.
I said this months ago on another thread, but in order to start thinking about national titles, a team has to be a legit, consistent conference champion. Yes, we have had the most success in the ACC in since we have joined, but I don't think we have won it consistently to develop that mentality yet. When VT fields teams that are the envy of the conference and are expected by everyone (even outside the VT program) to legitimately win it every year, I will start thinking about national titles. Until I see us consistently return to Charlotte with no fear of whoever the opponent is, I think it is ridiculous to hope for national championships. Solid, winning seasons, with good postseason trips for our teams to good bowls and maybe even a BCS berth here and there is something I enjoy.
To me, it's not complacency or settling, it's reality. In the "win now or else" culture of college football, good seasons and success are often lost in the hype.
We need to be talked about like FSU is this year. People are in awe.
until there's an 8 team (or more) team playoff, one loss for an ACC
team takes us out of contention for a NT. Just realistic.
THANK YOU. When a team has 10 wins for 8 straight seasons you expect quite a few top five and BCS wins to show for it, but we're past those days now, and now what do we hope for realistically? 8-9 wins and a Chick-Fil-A bowl bid?
Yes, that should have been an optimistic expectation for the team this year. Next year as well, with a new QB.
Michael Vick and Tyrod Taylor both took Tech to a BCS bowl game their first years under center. I'm not comparing Leal to either of them, but Leal will have some good talent returning, and a better coaching staff than what Tyrod had. Let's just hope we don't lose to Duke, Boston College, James Madison, Hampden Sydney, etc.
Vick and Taylor were transcendent talents at the college level.
Leal? Well, we're not gonna start that argument here again.
We are rebuilding this season and likely next season as well. The offensive recruiting isn't going to change in a season. The next class will certainly help matters with 5 real offensive linemen (hopefully good ones) but it will still take a year or two before they are ready to play at a high level. I've said it before, there has been a massive drop off the last three years in offensive talent from the state of Virginia. Misses in recruiting and attrition have also contributed to having poor offenses at Virginia Tech. A National title is possible with the defenses that Bud can put on the field and now I believe we have the coaches on offense as well. Losing sucks, being average sucks, but being a LOLUVA fan must suck even more.
This was a rebuilding team this year on offense. Even if we made it to the ACCCG this year it was going to be an ugly loss for us. Improvement from last year is what should be expected and keepin the streak alive against UVA. Next year I can see a 10 win season and then the following year we possibly could be in contention for the National Championship.
So if a National Title isn't the goal year in year out and improvement is. No one should support Mark Leal to start next year right? What good would that do for improvement, 3 QB's in 3 years. Start Ford and let us grow.
Starting a true freshman QB isn't always a recipe for "growth" either. Sometimes they need the time on the bench and on the practice field to develop and adjust to the college game.
But even if Leal is the best QB on the roster next year I mean imagine how awful our season will be. It's been said all year if Leal was better than LT3 he'd be starting. The blame on Logan this year has been insane and he deserves some of it, now we're going to start someone worse than him? It'll be a long season.
Not necessarily - the difficulties Logan has been having is because he's really the only experienced skill player on offense (at least coming into the season). You can play well with a talented, inexperienced QB if the rest of the team around him is good. For example, Logan's first season as a starter.
see Jameis Winston at FSU
Winston is surrounded by playmakers.
He did not start off this year with the coaches needing to teach the emerging star WR to catch the ball with his fingertips, not his body.
Keep in mind Ford hasn't even been through a college football practice. He's no guarantee. We don't know who will be the best QB on the team next year.
If Ford is as good as his senior HS year, he would beat out Leal anyway.
Remember manziel and Winston are/were freshman.
In fairness, both did take a redshirt year as freshmen
This is something that I've thought about. Who to start next year is going to be a tough choice for sure. I still think that starting Leal though makes the most sense. Let Ford take another year to improve and start in 2015.
If Leal is the best quarterback on the roster next year, he'll start, and you can still say in an effort to improve the program. If he's our best quarterback next year, he's our best chance to have an improvement over this year. That could in turn improve recruiting next season, improving everything for the longer future.
If Ford is better then Leal he should start..I'm sure the coaches would feel the same way right? I thought the idea was to get the best 11 guys on the field..
It's absurd to think that going out and winning a national championship at Virginia Tech is as easy as "just finding the right guy". As though those type of coaches are as easy to find as walking into Walmart and saying "Excuse me, which aisle is the National Championship Coach aisle?".
No one is saying that they don't want to win the national championship, and to frame the question about Frank Beamer's future at the program HE BUILT FROM SCRATCH as "oh, you still support Frank? You must not want to really win" isn't productive or accurate. Frank was damn close to winning a national championship against one of the best teams in college football history. Frank has a long history of steering this program in the right direction. Frank runs as clean a program as any in the nation, and he is respected by EVERYONE in the business.
I wonder how many people calling for Frank's head had anything negative to say about him last week.
frank is a great guy, but his bcs record against top 10 teams speaks for itself
Most peoples' records against BCS top-10 teams are horrible.
Amen. "Record against top-10" is the most ridiculous stat ever. 99% of the team/coaches are 1-XX against top-10 teams. That is why they are top-10 teams (b/c they win most of the time). AHH!
Lol a good portion of those top 10 losses were to the best team in the nation, aka the title winner. USC, LSU, Bama, Auburn (didn't lose, finished 3rd), FSU, Miami, and Nebraska (1 game cost them the title). It would have been nice to win 1 of those games and probably should had won two of them..
All of those games were winnable too. We only got blown out against lsu if I remember correctly.
One win over top 5 teams in his tenure... You'd think he'd have more with the general success of the program since 1993.
It's almost like those top 5 teams were really good or something.
Sure, we'd all love a better record, but as it's been stated again and again, you can't just pick up a national championship winning coach at Walmart. Not even at a Kroger. You're saying get rid of our very good, accomplished, and respected coach, in the very, very small chance we get one better?
Out of curiousity...
Which coach has a great record vs top 10 teams that Tech could afford and/or attract?
are you serious? yea I guess bama is 0 for the century mark against top teams. Get out of here with that. Whatever helps you guys sleep at night. We had what 8 ten win seasons and how many bcs wins in that time?
Then go be a bama fan. We all want Tech to be the best team in the country. But most of realize that's most likely not going to happen, at least not with any regularity. So yes, we find ways to be happy without that.
If you can't, just cheer for whatever the top team in the country happens to be each year.
If only every coach in college football was Saban or Carroll. Every team would be undefeated each year. Except for UVA. Because they have a cop.
VT is and will be the only team I cheer for regardless.
For anyone who believes in that "wins against top-10" stat, check this out:
https://sites.google.com/site/collegefootballhistory/record-vs-top-10-te...
Every team except USC, even the most storied programs in college football history, have a losing record against top-10 teams. Sure, we stand at 15% or so, which is bad, but I stand by my original statement that most programs fail against top-10. There's a reason for that.
I'd rather have a clean program that has consistently decent (10 wins + BCS would be more than decent) seasons. Alabama sucked for a lot of years, then had a bunch of wins vacated by the NCAA, and then yea Saban came in and has had continued success. He's a great coach. But I think Beamer is a great coach for a lot more reasons.
Nice find, only 1 school has a winning record against the top ten. The Hokies are 60th, not to bad..but tied with LOLUVA with 8 wins.
VT doesn't have the 'win at all costs' mentality at any level of our program that the traditional powers do. That's what it takes. Not being complacent or making excuses but I honestly think that we have a very myopic view of our program.
Alabama fans donate GOBs of money and boosters are constantly pushing players towards the school. These Universities rotate about the football program and don't blink at the expenditures of the coaches, facilities, etc.
In the ACC, the only schools that are in the game, IMHO, are FSU and Clemson. The amount of energy, monies, effort, etc being spent is enormous, and we just don't do that at VT.
One of my partners is a Clemson fan and he works extra hours just to maintain his IPTAY level...he donates TENs of thousands of $ yearly and there are lots more like him.
The point being, I love our Hokie culture, but it would have to change to take that next step and again IMHO we would lose equal/more that what we might gain.
Cut a massive check, convince your friends to do the same, and you will be part of the solution. As of right now, I have about $43 in my bank account, my my ability to help financially is limited. I'll just have to stick to supporting my team by wearing full body paint and a ridiculous (and ridiculously awesome) kilt to home games for now.
And you, my friend, are exactly what is so great about our unique Hokie culture.
My above comment is not a complaint, just an observation.
Why thank you. And I understand completely. You are not alone in being frustrated by a fan base that demands excellence and is hesitant to commit enough to make consistent excellence reasonable.
tOSU is about to tear down their old indoor practice facility. VT doesn't have one yet.
Also going with it is the old basketball area built in the 1950's. Such a sweet place. Sorry to see it go.
Ugh. This link mad me sad. Consider:
On this top of this record-vs-top-10 list, you see college football royalty (1-9):
USC, OK, ND, Michigan Texas, Ohio St, Florida St, Miami, Alabama. That's the top 9 teams by winning percentage. If someone asked you to list 10 teams that could/should be in the top ten every year, this is not an unreasonable list to suggest. When any of these two teams play against any of the other ones, it's a huge game. These are don't-miss-games-if-you-like-college-football-appointment-viewing.
In the next ten (10-20):
Penn State, Florida, Auburn, Nebraska, Georgia, Michigan State. These teams you'd expect to be in the top 20 every year. These teams are generally pretty comparable programs. A game between any of these two teams generates a lot of national interest.
But at some of the teams around us: UNC, UVA, Texas Tech, Northwestern, Washington St, Utah. Would you be hyped at a Texas Tech vs Virginia Tech aka Tecmo Bowl west? How about playing Washington St or Utah? These are our "comparable" programs.
You know what? MANY programs in the country would be happy to have Beamer's record for winning in college football. Especially that other school. Beamer has a few more winning seasons left in him, at the very least.
I think 2016 is the big year for the title. If that happens and we win, Beamer will retire.
Could be. I'm proud Frank Beamer is our coach, and he's about as classy as it gets.
I agree, we should be restocked on offense by 2016
Very true. But still, even with a loaded team, a NC is incredibly difficult to achieve. See Oregon, Stanford, Georgia, Mizzou, etc. A championship requires talent, coaching and no small amount of luck. What I want to see in 2016 is exactly the same as what I want to see now: I want to see a well-organized gameplan, players executing that gameplan with a reasonable level of consistency and I want any loss to be the result of our opposition doing that very same thing (no Duke-esque losses in which we giftwrap a win for the enemy). If I see that in 2016, I believe we'll win a heck of a lot of games and I will look back on the season a happy man.
Bama isn't lucky to have we the title as many times as they have recently and prob will again this year. Do you know why? Ill say Saban is illegal recruiting ill give you that. But he still has his team ready to play every single night and gets them ready for big time games. It's not luck. Saban has a cutthroat mentality when it comes to losing and I wish Beamer had the same. Don't get me wrong, I want Beamer to win it because wish do believe he runs the cleanest program in the country and if he does win it I want it to be the right way.
First off, the man's got ridiculous resources to work with, both in terms of donor money and talent (and those are related). Next, he's gotten his fair share of breaks along the way. Texas' QB getting hurt in the '10 title game (not to mention blocking a kick to keep Tennessee from pulling the upset that same year. If you've gotta bank on blocking a kick at the right time, you're not gonna win too often), having a couple teams ahead of Bama lose last year, etc. My point is that even Saban can't pull it out every single time without some help.
Remember when we used to block kicks at important times to win important games (if you say Marshall leave the building)? This season we've given up 3 special teams touchdowns.
What, like blocking the kick during the Marshall game doesn't matter? Again, this is a result of poor recruiting in prior years. The lack of talent in the starters means the special teams players and backups are even less talented.
Yes, blocking kicks is huge. It swings momentum and can even win a game instantly (or keep one alive, as against Marshall). But no coach in his right mind would ever go into a situation thinking, "It's alright. If they kick a field goal we'll just block it." It can have as much to do with luck as with skill (blown assignments, a DT putting his hand in the right spot at the right time, etc).
I do have to say I don't like hearing about the whole "rebuilding year" thing all the time lately. This is COLLEGE, every year is a rebuilding year more or less. I just think that's a nice way of saying our recruiting didn't pan out so now we have lots of gaps and we need to wait a couple years to get everything filled back in. I'm not saying this is a reason to talk about firing CFB or something dumb like that btw. Just saying it's a big reason for our problems. I'm so glad that we FINALLY shook up the coaching staff though, pretty sure we can all agree that was very much needed. I'm hopeful that next year after another year of improved coaching that we'll see a more skilled group on the field. But first things first...BEAT UVA!
Because as Virginia Tech fans, most of us are spoiled. Do you realize that Duke is on track for a "normal 10-win season for VT" and they're celebrating like there's no tomorrow? It's because IT'S EXTREMELY DIFFICULT TO WIN 10 GAMES IN A BCS CONFERENCE, LET ALONE DO IT FOR EIGHT STRAIGHT YEARS.
We have a first-year coordinator, o-line coach and wide receives coach. We're regularly playing five freshman (Jonathan Mclaughlin, Kalvin Cline, Trey Edmunds, Sam Rodgers, Josh Stanford), a former walk-on (Willie Byrn) and a guy who didn't play football at all last year (D.J. Coles) on offense. It takes time to rebuild a program. Of course you have exceptions like Auburn, but what we're going through is the "norm".
With Duke beating Miami, I don't think we even make the ACCCG if we beat Maryland.
People who clamor about this being a "failed season" because we're not playing for the ACCCG or NCG, you sound like those girls on the sweet 16 show on MTV. Your parents bought you a brand new car and instead of being excited, you throw a hissy fit that you didn't get the Mercedes you wanted.
I think it's great that we have high expectations for our team but I'm tired of this negativity from our fanbase. It's fucking hate week...keep calm and beat UVA.
As old Frank always says. "It's the little things! Take care of the little things!" It all starts at the top: focus, motivation, discipline, etc...Wake up Frank. As for Loeff and Grimey, I'll be patient.
...I'm not sure what you're trying to say.
I'm not sure why I got a downvote for this as well? Anyone?
I got you. I couldn't help it, but the last part of this post totally reminded me of Ferris Bueller's Day Off
Hm, I have to disagree with you about our fan base. I think we appreciate the ten win seasons, because it shows consistency, but we've always longed for the NC.
Hence us always clamoring for offensive staff changes to be made, even after 10-11 win seasons... because questionable play calling was always holding us back from the big game
I think this post brings up a valid point. There seems to be a hostility to anyone who questions whether or not Frank still has it. I was there before Frank and I remember the suck we experienced. We've been close to winning the big one but we've never made it over the hump. I've enjoyed the ride and I don't see anything wrong with wanting more or raising valid questions. Not every fan who says gee why aren't we more consistent is spoiled. My time in the army taught me complacency kills. This program got complacent and the results of that complacency are showing up on the field. I'll give the new coaches the benefit of the doubt for now. But I think this team is better than the record indicates. I think there is a leadership issue that needs to be resolved. We should have 1 lose right now. But that's life and that's why they play the game. I do not expect another rebuilding year next year...whether it's Leal or Ford a playmaker has to step up. There has to be a leader who can motivate this team and get them up for every game. Otherwise we will always loose to a JMU or Duke or BC. We have to stop playing up or down to the level of competition. I want to see VT show up and play to win every game . If we loose because the other team is better then fine but we'll never get to that level without proper leadership. Go Hokies! Beat UVA!
Be careful with this line of thinking. Words spoken against Virginia Tech likely result in loss of your legs and general outcry.
It's been almost two years that this team has not been in the MNC debate. That is far too long. Every year we should at least be talked about in the preseason and somewhere towards the end. Good programs don't have down years and must compete for the top prize constantly regardless of how it's 3/4 a beauty pageant.
/sarcasm
It's not expecting mediocrity, or sustained success, it's knowing how to temper your expectations. Last year was disappointing, this year is not. We're right where we should, a couple good wins and a couple head scratching loses with a backdoor to the ACCCG. Anyone who expected anything else seriously needs to look at this team unbiased. I sometimes wonder if people understand just how hard it is to win a MNC? Not only that but how practically meaningless they were since up until a decade ago there were sometimes 3 MNCS. You have to be in the top two of 120+ teams and most of that is a preconceived notion of how good you should be based off of years past or conference affiliation (see Michigan, Notre Dame)
Over the past two decades we've had a handful of average seasons and have competed for many conference championships. For the most part we've been a well coached, competitive team with a few disappointments, but they were recognized and attempts to fix them were put in place.
You posters that are not satisfied with the state of the program and think VT can and should compete with the likes of Alabama, Oregon, etc...Please open your wallets, WIDE. Those programs are perennial top 5 because they have the donors to contribute. Who do you think pays those salaries and for those facilities, taxpayers? Phil Knight and most of the state of Alabama. Tide fans donate before they put food on the table.
Competing for ACC Division titles, win ACCCG every 2-3years, and be in the NC discussion 1/4 years is better than the majority of Div 1. Most of this board doesn't remember what it took to get where we are now. If it was that easy, why is Texas not always in top 5?
Keep Calm and Gobble On...
interesting you bring up Texas...they probably have one of the highest revenue flows in the country...
When you look at the 15 schools that have played in a BCS title game, Virginia Tech being in this group should impress you.
Oklahoma, Alabama, LSU, Florida State, Ohio State, Florida, Miami, Texas, USC, Auburn, Tennessee, Nebraska, Notre Dame, Oregon and Virginia Tech
That is an impressive list! Thanks for the great share.