OT - Perkins > Vick

I didn't know where to post this, but I thought you all would enjoy the cynicism of Hoos after their first big win in near 20 years.

I just overheard my UVA coworkers in the next cubicle over claiming Perkins is a way better QB than Vick was.

I vomited in my mouth. Mind you that 20 years have passed and the game has changed to the point now which promotes mobile QB play. Unfortunately, I can't go over there and participate because the one girl is the type that will dismiss anything you say if she doesn't agree with you.

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Meh, they said that about Dan Ellis.

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Maybe they were saying it just to mess with you?

Naw, they were having a private convo and wasn't aware I was listening. Plus, if she has a take on anything sports related, she firmly believes it, no matter how wrong she is on most of the stuff she talks about.

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Classic personality trait of a boohoo.

She can't even troll well, she photoshopped a photo of a bag of Lays potato chips and put "Hokie Tears: Extra Salty" for the flavor of the bag and put it up outside her cubicle.

TEARS ARE DRANK!

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Should put up a pic with a shotglass labeled "Hokie Tears" next to a big gulp labeled "Hoo Tears." I'll give yours a taste once I finish my drink. It's taking a while to get it all down...

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I would, but she'll just retaliate with a photo of a championship ring or trophy and ask me how many we have.

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Also, let her know that you are happy for her and are sure this will be the start of yet another streak of LOLUVa dominance, just like the last time they beat us...

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if you bring up how Vick led the Hokies to a "National Championship Game", I can guarantee a Pavlovian response about the 2019 UVA basketball team

"Why gobble gobble chumps asks such good questions, I will never know." - TheFifthFuller

Perkins is a very solid QB and appears to be a good kid as well. No hate towards him from me. He straight up carried UVA to a win over us and pretty much carried them the whole year. They very well could be in for a rough year without him next year.

But he is no where close to Vick, I mean the dude was the number one overall pick. It's going be an uphill battle for Perkins to even get drafted. I think Tyrod is a much better comparison for Perkins, but I don't think he's even that good either. He's a really good college QB but I don't see much after that.

In Sam Rogers we trust.

I have no ill will towards Perkins outside of the fact he beat us and I hate him for it.

But good points. When she brings up these "stat based" comparisons in the coming days like I know she will, I'll mention how Vick was a #1 draft pick vs how Perkins might not even get drafted and watch her head explode.

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Michael Vick was also invited to the Heisman Trophy ceremony and lost exactly ONE game in his college career. Bryce Perkins will not achieve anything Michael Vick did, not even winning his own conference.

UVa fans are showing a truly.... sad side of themselves this week.

This whole Perkins > Vick thing started based on this tweet...

Which is literally an account someone set up to mock OX VT. Like, literally its first tweet is at him and has just been posting a bunch of charts this week of just some really sad shit, like USA Today Academic Rankings.

I know the streak got to them, but this kind of reaction is just sad. You almost feel sorry for them that they're still seeking this kind of validation after finally winning their version of the Super Bowl. And this is to say nothing of the UVa moron, HooGooner who posted the video of him trying to fight Bud Foster on the field after the game, spamming every VT poster on Twitter with literally 'U Mad Bro" only to set his own account to private and block everyone he'd been tweeting last night.

As I said.... sad.

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OX is a HUGE ass to UVA fans and UVA in general. He is relentless. He had this coming in spades. And I hate UVA.

I wonder how things would've played out if Vick played 4 years as well as Perkins has instead of as a true freshman and injured sophomore.

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Or if Perkins hadn't taken TWICE the number of snaps in 2019 as Mike did in 1999.

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I guess when you're blowing teams out and get to take a seat at halftime, your stats really suffer.

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And when your D and ST's are scoring, takes some pressure of to GO UNDEFEATED. Guess Bryce didn't feel that was necessary.

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and when you have a backfield like Stith, Kendrick, & Suggs to handle the ground game and you STILL find time to be one of the greatest dual-threat QBs ever.

Edit: need to mention Jarrett Ferguson here too

Notice all stats are counting stats or "per game" adjusted -- teams pass way more now than they did 20 years ago, so it's easier to accrue numbers (see how our team set many offense and passing records in CJF's first year)

For what it's worth, Vick averaged 17.2 yards per completion while Perkins averaged 11.5

"Why gobble gobble chumps asks such good questions, I will never know." - TheFifthFuller

This reminds of how Denard Robinson led Michigan to beating Ohio State in 2011. Michigan fans were convinced Robinson was the greatest ever, and that the rivalry had officially turned. Next year, reality kicked back in and Michigan hasn't beaten them since. I see this is as very similar situation to that game, with a hopeful reality check awaiting the Hoos next November.

In Sam Rogers we trust.

That's an incredible statement about how much college football has changed in 20 years. It's also a reminder of the challenges of comparing sports statistics across eras (any sport, any eras).

"Our job as coaches is to influence young people's lives for the better in terms of fundamental skills, work ethic, and doing the right thing. Every now and again, a player actually has that effect on the coaching staff." Justin Fuente on Sam Rogers

lol the math isn't even right in the follow up

"Why gobble gobble chumps asks such good questions, I will never know." - TheFifthFuller

And this is why you don't hire a Hoo to do anything that involves math

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Facts are meaningless. You can use facts to prove anything thats even remotely true. Facts schmacks

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IMO: They have the right to say anything outlandish, until we get the cup back in our possession. They've waited 15 years for this, I can't stand em, but let them have their fun while it lasts (hopefully until next Thanksgiving).

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Go watch MV NFL highlights. When Perkins has that body of work against guys of the same speed and strength then I will listen.

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Vick 1999
#1 in BE Passing Yards
#1 in BE in Total Yards
#1 in BE TD's Responsible for
#1 in NATION in Passing Yards per Attempt
#1 in NATION in Passer Rating

Bryce Perkins
#2 in ACC in Passer Yards
#1 in ACC in Total Yards
#1 in ACC in TD's Responsible for
#6 in ACC (not Nation) in Passing Yards per Attempt
#7 in ACC (not Nation) in Passer Rating

Then, let's compare total plays. Vick: 313 Perkins: 609

Vick played HALF the snaps, and still beat him in categories...
Mind you this in comparing within the offenses during the same year.

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Vick: 1999 5.9 yds/rushing attempt
Perkins: 2019 4.7 yds/rushing attempt

Vick: 1999 7 yds/play
Perkins: 2019 6 yds/play

And to further the apples to apples within the years, both were #1 in the conferences in TD's responsible for.

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Michael Vick: 21-1 as a starter (Did not play against UCF and did not start against Miami in 2000)
Bryce Perkins: 17-8 as a starter

Gobble Till You Wobble

He was 21-2 as a starter. Mike did start the game against Miami in 2000 but his ankle was not holding up. I don't think he went for more than the first couple series before Frank sat him down... with that Miami defense it was too great a risk to get him more seriously hurt. Just a nit I know but we aren't hoos... facts are facts.

Lets GO!!!!

Dave Meyer started that game. Frank tried to put Vick in afterwards for one or two drives but Dave definitely started that game.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8-GZonlOdTE

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Yup. Vick only took 8 snaps, and didn't start the game.

Place was crazy electric in there for that game though.

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I indulged in the argument for a little bit with the orginal twitter post. I knew better but couldn't help it. here was my response.

Antwan randleel, Brad smith, Braxton Miller, Armani Edwards, Joe Webb > Bryce Perkins But y'all on here talking about Bryce Perkins > mike Vick you won. He played well. He didn't become a goat Tyler Murphy beat us too. He better than perk too.β€” coach_smithey(@Coach_Smithey) December 3, 2019

perk will never play a single snap at QB in the NFL. hes arm strength is horrible nor is he accurate the majority of the time. his ceiling is David Gerrard.

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Until Bryce hoists a trophy, or plays in a Natty...sorry Charlie. No dice. Win baby. Just win!!!!

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Next up, Perkins takes home that sweet, sweet No. 1 overall draft pick money.

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Is the Arena Football League still in existence?

Nope, went bankrupt and folded last week

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Perkins takes home that sweet, sweet No. 1 overall draft pick money in the XFL

FIFY

UVA's entire offense was Perkins running or throwing. VT was a run- first team in 99-00 and we had the backs and OL to execute that strategy. Vick mostly ran the ball when he didn't have a receiver open that he could spot. Apples and oranges in the CFB world. Let them think what they want, next season will come crashing back to reality for them without Perkins. Vick's NFL career, derailed as it was, will still overshadow anything Perkins accomplishes, I strongly suspect.

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This. My senior year was the 99 season, and late 90's VT was still very much 3 yards and a cloud of dust. Then play action bomb to Andre Davis for the TD.

One of my favorite Vick quotes was about his bombs to Andre Davis.

I can't remember it exactly, but essentially it was a nod to Andre's track speed, and that Vick would basically just try to outhrow him because he knew he'd probably run under it anyway.

On this note: some kind soul created the '99 team as a downloadable roster on NCAAF14 for the PS3 (this game is the only reason I haven't abandoned this console for something newer) and Andre is a cheat code. Any formation, any route package, he's open. It's incredible.

I would root for the Russians before I would root for Virginia.

Just point out to said woman that she should stick to her lane of bragging about her SAT scores as a grown adult, like I heard so many of the UVA fans do at the game.

You will see this game, this upset and this sign next on ESPN Sportscenter. Virginia Tech 31 Miami 7

Vick never was able to beat VT. Just like most UVA quarterbacks.

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Is this really worth discussing? At all? Alright move along.

Seems a lot of people have something to say about it though...

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Wait... UVA coworkerS? As in more than one?

Sorry for that. How close are you to retirement?

Leonard. Duh.

20 more years....So hopefully if all goes well, I only have to listen to these UVA beating VT blasphemies one more time?

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Once a decade, so it could actually be twice (depending on the timing).

"Our job as coaches is to influence young people's lives for the better in terms of fundamental skills, work ethic, and doing the right thing. Every now and again, a player actually has that effect on the coaching staff." Justin Fuente on Sam Rogers

Good answer. I like the cut of your jib. I'll be keeping an eye on you.

Leonard. Duh.

Shoot. If Perkins > MV7 , then let's see if he can get on this level:

BET!

Let's Go

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Perkins is a very good college QB, but he is not a pro QB at all. He frankly has a noodle arm and doesn't have enough zip to make routine NFL throws. He also throws way too many balls in the ground and doesn't exactly have great pocket presence. He may be able to transition to slot WR as he is a very high caliber athlete, but no chance he has a future as an NFL QB.

Perkins is about on par with Bryan Randall, he doesn't even come close to Tyrod Taylor...IMO

Bryan Randall was ACC player of the year and won the conference in 2004...

Gobble Till You Wobble

Bryan Randall was ACC player of the year and won the conference in 2004...

And an all time great in my eyes,dude had a lot of guys and was a gamer

Perkins is nice, but he ain't even better than Jerod Evans (wish he would've come back for his second year). I'm not going to stat check that.

I don't think Perkins is even a really good college QB. He is a great athlete and that allowed him to move the ball on his own. However his pure QB skills are lacking IMO. And as everyone has stated he's not gonna play QB in the NFL. He may play something else but it won't be QB. And he sure as hell isn't getting drafted no.1.

If you don't want to recruit clowns, don't run a clown show.

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This is where I stand. His completion rate over 20 yds doesn't even exist. It's like less than 2%.

That's why this game is still pissing me off. Bud played the first quarter like Perkins was goddamm Drew Brees, UVa goes up by 2 scores, and then he decides to stack the box.

And, that one throw to Hooever on the sideline that got reviewed then called complete. That was a NFL surgical strike. I've never seen a ball come off of Perkins like that, ever. If you asked him to throw that pass again, I bet it would take him at least 100 tries.

Leonard. Duh.

So, this type of nonsense aside, I respect Perkins for literally dragging that team over the finish line to beat us, something hundreds of other Hoo players in the last 16 years could not do. So, strangely, while I continue to hate LOLUVA, I don't hate Perkins.

The weird thing for me is, though, I still viscerally hate Matt Ryan and Donovan McNabb for what they did to the Hokies. Do I just need to let it marinate and the hate will come?

Finally, if Perkins is better than Vick, then I am here RIGHT NOW to declare that Erick Green is better than De'Andre Hunter. And I can pull some stats out of my ass to prove, just the same.

He wasn't an OG Hoo, so he was never fully dipped into the Hoo-ness of it all

I have a buddy that went to grad school at UVA. I call him UVA-Lite, because he never got the chance to have to wear a tie to a football game.

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A funny thing happened the last year or two: I stopped hating Matt Ryan. I don't know how or when or why.

Oh, and I agree, I never hated Perkins, not even a little bit. And I 100% respect the job he did last Friday.

Guess I'm getting old.

"Our job as coaches is to influence young people's lives for the better in terms of fundamental skills, work ethic, and doing the right thing. Every now and again, a player actually has that effect on the coaching staff." Justin Fuente on Sam Rogers

Minus being super triggered directly after the game (mostly in part because I drank roughly a half handle of vodka).

I find that aside from some friendly jabs, why should I care anymore. Time's too valuable to me now after having a child and if I ever feel like shit after a loss, I can pick her up and she'll smile and all is good again.

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The same thought crossed my mind as I was leaving the stadium. All I wanted to do was get home to hold her. It's weird how holding 20 lbs of squish can fix anything.

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I agree with you on getting over losses now-a-days. It just doesn't affect me like it did when I was younger.

But, still today, tomorrow, and always, I say Fuck Matt Ryan.

Now finish up them taters; I'm gonna go fondle my sweaters.

I stopped hating Matt Ryan. I don't know how or when or why.

Not me! The most beautiful thing that happened on Thanksgiving (other than the Cowboys and Pats losing) was watching Matty Ice get stiff arm'd through the Earth's core after a turnover

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My hatred stems from him under performing on my fantasy team when I've been stuck drafting him...

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I came here to post this. Well done.

Vick was a Heisman finalist as a freshman. /thread

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Vick chnaged the way the QB position was played and took over college football and the NFl for a decade.

Perkins is closer in comparison to Jerod Evans just with a worse arm. If he starts in the NFL at any point in his potential career there I will eat alot of crow.

To his credit, Bryce Perkins managed to beat both VT and UVA in the Commonwealth Cup. I'm not sure how many people can say that but I'm certain the list isn't too long.

"Why gobble gobble chumps asks such good questions, I will never know." - TheFifthFuller

Sorry, but Michael Vick will only recognize one great quarterback from college and currently in the NFL: Lamar Jackson.

Perkins is comparable to Matt Schaub, the only quarterback to have beaten VT in 15 years, and that's not saying much.

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Was anyone else shocked to hear that Schaub is still in the NFL? That's unreal for a guy that hasn't started for most of his time there.

*uses DuckDuckGo to look up Schaub*

He's still in the NFL...backing up another hated player...you know who I speak of that once drove a dagger into the hearts of Hokies Nation on a certain rainy night in Blacksburg.

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Dude has started 3 games since the 2014 season and has made $90.5M in his career. Damn.

Must be nice holding the clipboard for years while making bank.

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Hey, he had nothing on Don Strock. What a sweet gig.

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I agree. Lamar is the closest to Mike we have seen. He may actually be better dare I say.

Correy

It's ok to say that because Vick was the closest to Major Harris and was better. But we have to wait another ~10 years fo another better player to come along.

I'm pretty sure the point of UVa fans posting this was to rustle our jimmies, and y'all fell for it.

You give loluvanus fans way to much credit. I don't think they are smart enough to pull something like that. They haven't won enough to know how to troll the internet since the internet was in its early years the last time they beat VT.

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What kind of depth does UVA have behind Perkins? I could see Mendenhall going to the transfer portal or grad transfer route.

Out of all the UVA quarterbacks that have started against VT I'm happy it was Perkins who beat us. He seems like some one you could easily root for if he wasnt playing for your rival.

But no, just no. Retired Vick could probably produce better numbers.

Oh Jesus. Can you imagine Vick coming back to play college instead of retiring? Would he be a heisman candidate if healthy for a season?

I agree. He overcame a lot to get to where he is today including a broken neck as I recall. A poster in TSL also saud he texted a family whose child recently passed away from cancer and dedicated his performance to her memory. There was no mention of who that family was but a young lady in Augusta County was recently called home after a her battle with cancer and it really galvanized our community. Hearing that Bryce did something like that for a family really made me appreciate him as a young man. I will never cheer for the Hoos, but I am a fan of the player,

Correy

Perkins is 46th in QBR and 66th in passer rating...

Hooker was 23rd in QBR and would've been top 10 in passer rating with enough attempts...

(FWIW Tyrod was top 15 in both categories for 2009 and 2010)

Perkins is just an above-average college QB without a traditional run game.

OT: can someone point me in the direction of that Baby Yoda jet sweep video/gif someone posted?

*Nevermind, I found it.

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Can you imagine a 18-20yr old MV7 in an RPO offense? The numbers he would have put up would have been crazy......The Hoos have lost their minds.....Perkins isn't even better than Aaron Brooks.....Why are we entertaining this foolishness?

Coach: You're supposed to pass it! You didnt make the correct read.
Mike: The run was there
Coach: You always say that!
Mike: Because it's always there? I only had juke 3 players, hurdle one run sideline to sideline twice and flip into the endzone, see easy 89 yard TD.

Funny, the 62-0 game against the 'Cuse, there was a play on the goal line that was a designed MV7 rollout to the corner. He saw a guy open in the back of the endzone and fired one at him for the TD. Beamer had a few questions for him when he got to the sideline...but basically was telling him to run because there was a chance of ineligible downfield on the play. But just another anecdote of his raw talent and field presence.

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I don't believe it, there is no way a coach is worried about inelligible reciever down field on the goal line in 1999. A lineman had to be 20 yards downfield to get that called back then. And no one really called ir until RPO became popular.
/s

I mean, Perkins is their Vick but that does not mean he's as good as Vick was. It just means UVA has hit their peak. Sad.

This isn't true......Perkins is just the QB that ended the streak.....he isn't better than Schaub or Brooks.....he definitely is no Shawn Moore.....MV7 is in the convo for greatest college athletes EVER.....Nobody not associated with UVA will know who Perkins is in 5yrs....

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Perkins is ok but players like him are found around the country by several schools every year. He beat us his Sr year. That's his claim to fame. He won't sniff the NFL.

There hasn't been a player like Vick since. 20 years. Number one overall pick, heisman finalist as a freshman. Which was unheard of then. He was the best player in the country for two years. As a freshman and sophomore. Lost two games in 2 years. Both being against some of best teams in CFB history. (Miami was a year away but still really good and Vick was hurt). Perkins lost the game last year to a 500 VT team. Nothing great about that.