Three Most Intriguing Commits

I'm not going to do my normal ranking of commits this cycle, considering how middling the results were. I will, however, give you the three prospects that are the most intriguing to me. In no particular order:

1) Derrell Bailey Jr. - When has first committed, I was positive that he would be immediately moved to OT. Plus athlete for his size with long arms, but didn't show the requisite burst off the line you'd like to see in a DL prospect. But after he published his senior film, my feelings began to change. His new tape showed much more quickness at the snap and improved closing speed in the backfield. I'm still not convinced that he wouldn't make a better OT, but I'm far from opposed to the idea of giving him a shot at DT.

2) Justin Beadles - it's pretty well known that we're trying to get longer across the DL, and Beadles definitely fits that. The first clip of his senior film shows tons of burst off of the line and the guy runs like a freaking deer. His lack of camps definitely hurt his ranking and offer list, as I think most schools would be all over his combination of size and athleticism if he had been on the major camp circuit. Chris Coleman made the comparison to Chris Ellis, and I think that is very accurate.

3) Wilfried Pene - The lowest ranked recruit in our class. Keep in mind that he's playing against prep school competition, but it is pretty evident that he is the best athlete on the field in his film and he appears to have above average hands. Has only been playing the game for a couple of years so he still has a ton of room to grow, and luckily he can be afforded of that luxury with the group we have now. Also taught himself how to speak English and is very driven to be successful and prove that his family made the right decision to send him to America

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Great info - it's definitely an interesting class. 2 questions for your perspective:
1). What do you make of this class from a macro view on roster management (thinking since it's small and targeted in certain position groups)
2) Khalil Herbert - I know he is a grad transfer, but do you see his commitment as someone who potentially elevates expectations a bit?

Not a lot to make of it. The defensive struggles can obviously be attributed to foster's pending retirement. The lack of quality recruits on the offensive side of the ball is very concerning to me, but hopefully this was just a perfect storm of negativity. I do think that Fuente has been very upset with the lack of production from the running back group, as evidenced by taking 4 commits/transfers this cycle, and targeting a fifth

Love Herbert. Best addition to this class IMO. Running back room is going to be much improved next year. If it's not, heads need to roll

Whose heads would need to roll since we just replaced the RB coach? Putting that on Corn at this point? Or giving Lechtenberg a very short leash as a position coach?

"These people are losing their minds" - Mike Patrick

Corn. Best personnel we've had in a long while. All about scheme and execution now

considering how middling the results were

Do you mean in terms of quantity or quality?

Quality. We'll actually end up taking more than I expected. Curious to see how we make it all work. I will say that if we finish the class hitting on mcglothern and another quality cb, I will feel much better. DE and CB were my biggest needs in this cycle, and landing those two would address those needs well.

"Why gobble gobble chumps asks such good questions, I will never know." - TheFifthFuller

Can someone please provide some context? What does this mean? Who is Barstool SC and what is his college affiliation? I understand the words, I just don't get how it applies to VT other than one of our targets is the person who replied. I'm 33 and I now officially know what it feels like to be disconnected from teenagers. The shit put on twitter confuses me most of the time. Maybe I'll reconnect by the time my boys come of age?

Barstool SC is an account for the Barstool Sports company affiliate for USC. The account said we're not going to be good. I'm assuming based off the recruiting class. The recruit we want said "No we're not" as if he is part of the school already.

As an aside, I thought the consensus was that USC had a solid class?

South Carolina did. Southern cal did not. I think that acct is for southern cal

There I go with my East coast bias again! Thanks for clarifying!

Do you expect almost the entire class to redshirt except for maybe Bryant and the 2 RB'a (JUCO and grad transfer)?

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I would imagine so. I could see Lakeem and Bryant maybe going over the 4 games, but that's it

I'll also add about Pene, he appears to have grown some. He's listed at 6'3" but there's a picture going around from his visit and he's a good 2-3 inches taller than the 6'2" Fuente.

Keep it going and we may have God's Gift 2.0.

Thanks as always for your intel

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His decision was made after a phone call with longtime Virginia Tech assistant coach Bud Foster. All Foster told him was, "We win. They don't."

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I know we successfully landed some good RB's but missed on bigger time guys like Tyree and Corum. Is there anyone in particular that you are upset about not getting? I know at the time you were peeved we didn't close the deal with Hibner, but I also thought guys like Lambert and Walker Parks are guys we maybe could have gotten but got pulled in a different direction by blue bloods.

Still very upset about Hibner. Powell was the other big one for me. Jaheim Bell might've been my favorite prospect in the class that were heavily involved with early, but he lost interest quickly once SEC schools started calling

Yeah the only thing that makes it an easier pill is that we still have Rambo for 1, Mitchell for 2, and Gallo for 4, still a miss. Agree on the Powell and Jaheim Bell, both solid but wonder how Powell does after sitting most of his Sr year out. Most stinging misses per position (of folks we had a shot with at one point) would be:

QB- None
RB- Tyree and Corum
WR- Lambert and Hyatt
TE- Hibner
OL- Parks and Bryn Tucker (Dang you Clemson)
DL- Powell, Izzard
LB- None, maybe Powell.
S- Rose-Sinclair
CB- Miles Brooks

Staff wasn't fully on-board with taking CRS or Brooks. Not sure we would've accepted their commitment.

Also, if you want to be wowed, take a look at how far 247 recently dropped Tucker in their rankings. Not sure I've ever seen anything so drastic

Good to know about CRS and Brooks, I think most concerning is the replacements being very developmental guys that might not pan out, but guys like McGlothern or Battle could help with that. But yikes I did just see that, didn't he start out as a 94 or 95 rating and is now down to a 85? Sheesh, must have either seen a really bad game eval or just took the year off haha.

Obviously we know Bud retiring had a lot to do with the lack of early traction with defensive recruits. What do you think the problem was with recruiting offensive guys this year? I know it's a small class, but that seems really alarming to me considering we aren't really addressing the staff on that side other than Zohn leaving. Fuente himself in the presser today said they were a bit slow on evaluating and recruiting some guys this cycle. Is this just a freak outlier this year or cause for concern?

I'm concerned about it, but we sit well with quite a few highly rated offensive prospects for '21, so it could definitely just have been a blip

but we sit well with quite a few highly rated offensive prospects for '21

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Never Forget #1 Overall Seed UVA 54, #64 UMBC 74

Well considering we already have our 2nd highest rated offensive commit since Joel Caleb in the boat as well as a 4* silent that could pop in the next month or so, I'd consider that a pretty good start. I'm far from an optimist in regards to our recruiting too, but we're currently set up pretty well

Really hope the silent is Brandon Campbell

"Why gobble gobble chumps asks such good questions, I will never know." - TheFifthFuller

He could have a brother on the team...

uva - the taint of the ACC
Callused perineum is a symptom of being a uva fan

Jack Hollifield? At TE?

That's probably good odds too

"Why gobble gobble chumps asks such good questions, I will never know." - TheFifthFuller

Remember, you have to start recruiting the kids at some point. Going in to this year, we knew we only had 5 seniors, but probably didn't know of any other potential attrition. So that gives you 5 scholarships to hand out initially. Then you have to weigh what the current needs of the team are. Then you have to evaluate what the attrition is (so we had a bunch of kids in the RB room at the beginning of the year, but evidently that's where there is a lot of attrition, so you go from maybe needing 1 RB in this class to needing multiple). I would guess that this class just had a LOT more moving parts than most classes that made it difficult to prioritize recruits.

I don't think that it is possible to overstate the effect that the "narrative" surrounding this program over the past off-season had on this recruiting class. We were coming off of a losing season, hemorrhaging players to the portal, rumors were flying around that Bud wouldn't be back, and Fuente was being listed as a coach with a "warm" seat. All of this was happening in the time period when we should have been building momentum with recruits. It should not be surprising at all that this year's class is down - who wants to jump onto a sinking ship?

The "narrative" this off-season appears to be VERY different. If we have similar problems with next year's class, then there is real reason to be concerned.

A lot of those things definitely contributed to a poor class, but coming off a losing season and losing a couple assistants isn't something that is specific or unique to VT. There are plenty of programs who were coming off losing seasons and non-head coaching changes that put together significantly better classes than we did.

Sure there were other teams with losing records that did better than us, but I'm talking about the total narrative surrounding the program. How many of those programs were being justifiably fit-into a story that the program was in disarray and on its way down? Last off-season, we were being portrayed as a dumpster fire - and with good reason. All of the way through the Duke game this year, the narrative that Fuente had "lost the locker room" appeared to fit. That is a risky thing for a HS kid to commit themselves to.

By contrast, Georgia Tech is coming off of a losing season where they were a cellar dweller in the ACC... but the narrative surrounding their program is that they are building something and it has lots of potential and things are going to get better. And... they are signing a top-25 recruiting class (and probably will sign a top 40 class next year too). Their narrative is VERY different than VT's narrative from last year.

My point is that the total narrative surrounding the program plays a HUGE role in recruiting and I believe that it played an out-sized role in our poor recruiting over the past year.

I agree with what you're saying, but 'building the narrative' is part of the program's responsibility, too. GT didn't come out of nowhere and just get positive press from external sources. They build that narrative internally and are pushing forward on social media and through their staff, despite having a shitty year on the field. We haven't been good at that.

When we cut off the program to fans and our staff doesn't have a presence on social media, etc, our brand identity is at the mercy of (angry) fans and the public. A more drastic push at the "NBA" stuff can help combat against the "lost the locker room" narrative. Fuente, Corn, Bud, Lecht...all were basically zeros on social media, which you can't have if you want to build or reinvent your stale brand.

The TX2VT stuff is born internally first and pushed. We need to do more of that. We can show at least as much momentum as a program like GT. It seems like we're improving our situation, but I do think we could have been doing better over the last year+.

Which I think is why you're seeing some of these coaching changes. Seems like they are all in the mindset of getting younger and more energetic people that can have that social media presence enough to help the recruiting

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Definitely seems to be the case. This just seems to be one of the 'learning on the job' moments for our program and staff. We dug ourselves into a hole and this class is proof of that. We now need to blast out of that hole with notable improvements with our messaging and recruiting, getting back to status quo isn't going to help us win a Conference Championship.

I'm willing to give the offensive staff a pass for the poor recruiting this year, and we definitely seem well-positioned for a big 2021 class. However, are we going to see this offense finally soar next season, or is it going to sputter and misfire like it has routinely the last few years? We were able to patch things together and find a formula that worked for a good stretch of the year once Hooker took the reins, but the god awful game plan we saw for UVA just doesn't give me a lot of confidence on that side. Are we going to see the offense get aggressive and start scheming to attack based on the defense's weakness, or are we going to continue to be tone deaf and play safe turtle ball trying to avoid turnovers? Really hope we see some improvement or we are never going to get over the hump.

When we cut off the program to fans and our staff doesn't have a presence on social media, etc, our brand identity is at the mercy of (angry) fans and the public.

This is a really good point. Where is the genesis for the narrative, and can it be internally manufactured, or does it need to occur "organically"? If the latter, then you absolutely have to have an information flow for any positive narrative to have teeth.

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Our on the field product last year was awful and it wasn't any better through the first quarter of this season. I think that and the off season rumbling hurt us as much as anything. I'm very optimistic that the ship has been righted. We have some dynamic young coaches on the recruiting trail, a couple of which are Tech products themselves who can really sell the product. Have any of you been in sales and tried to sell a product you didn't believe in/weren't passionate about? And more importantly, a hardworking and talented roster returning in 2020. I'm very bullish on things.

Any chance we get Clinton Anokwuru? I know he was a DE from Texas as well and he would be our second SDE, the others are all WDE except for Bailey. And is Debose still a DE for the Hokies or is he going to go to DT or leave the program? Haven't heard much about him since a lot of hype when he signed...maybe he is hurt?

FIRST DOWN, HOKIES!

Don't think we have room for Anokwuru.

Zion was hurt almost all year. Don't see him being a contributor here unfortunately

I like his film the best out of the 3 tbh. This is a couch defensive coordinator player development guru talking here. I'm bummed we may not take him.

So assuming we take the RB from Rutgers along with the 2 transfers and 2 in this signing class does that mean we are losing McClease (which we already know is going to leave), Holston, Steward, Wheatley, and Beck?
I think King, Gary, Lee, Herbert, Hampton, Brunson and possibly the transfer from Rutgers would leave no room for the other backs...

FIRST DOWN, HOKIES!

assuming we take the RB from Rutgers

Khalil Herbert is from Kansas.

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He listed Herbert and the transfer from Rutgers... im confused too, havent heard anything on this

Rutgers does have two uncommitted RBs in the portal but I haven't heard about us perusing either of them.

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I know a lot of people don't look at sites like 247 as well but they had a front page article for about a day on Rutgers RB Raheem Blackshear taking a visit to VT last weekend.

before or after the Herbert news?

"Why gobble gobble chumps asks such good questions, I will never know." - TheFifthFuller

After. Visited this past weekend. More of a "gadget" type of player than a true running back. Runs a lot of routes from the slot

Good we need more bubble screens and quick throws to the sidelines /s

Directions from Blacksburg to whoville, go north till you smell it then go east until you step in it

i appreciate the /s but at the same time, who wouldn't want a james white-type on their team?

"Why gobble gobble chumps asks such good questions, I will never know." - TheFifthFuller

Can Tayvion not fill this role?

You will see this game, this upset and this sign next on ESPN Sportscenter. Virginia Tech 31 Miami 7

His decision was made after a phone call with longtime Virginia Tech assistant coach Bud Foster. All Foster told him was, "We win. They don't."

tayvion pls

tayvion's great and all, but his main threat as a rusher is on a sweep getting out to the edge. at least i dont think we've seen him line up at RB and take handoffs or be a receiving threat off that specific run action

"Why gobble gobble chumps asks such good questions, I will never know." - TheFifthFuller

Why can't we turn him into a gadget guy? Tayvion is by far and away the fastest player on the field. It was wildly apparent if he had a seam in the UVA game he would have gone for six. He flipped the field for us multiple times.

Not sure who is RB #4 for, I think Iowa, whoever crushed AnOSU was last year, but I'd love a player like him.

You will see this game, this upset and this sign next on ESPN Sportscenter. Virginia Tech 31 Miami 7

His decision was made after a phone call with longtime Virginia Tech assistant coach Bud Foster. All Foster told him was, "We win. They don't."

You aren't seeing things clearly. Tayvion is really quick and shifty with decent speed. He is no where near the fastest on the field any time he enters it. If he even had close to elite speed he would have been a 5 star with how elusive he is. I believe during his recruitment the only knock on him was his top end speed (I believe he ran a mid 4.8 40 time). With that said he is a baller and I'm so happy he's on our side

Maybe it was the White Claws I pregamed with at the UVA football match misconstrued what I saw on the field. Dude was clearly faster than everyone on the field. Everyone else in the stands around me mentioned it too. Not sure if they were all drinking White Claw as well, but who knows? Jerry Rice had shit top end speed at his "combine" and look how he turned out.

Regardless, Tayvion was a game changer for us against UVA, whether it was top end speed or whatever. Surely, Corny can find him more opportunities to get him the ball. But wait, it is Corny...

You will see this game, this upset and this sign next on ESPN Sportscenter. Virginia Tech 31 Miami 7

His decision was made after a phone call with longtime Virginia Tech assistant coach Bud Foster. All Foster told him was, "We win. They don't."

Don't disagree with getting him more touches at all. Even though he most likely won't house a long TD, he certainly has the goods to break off big chunk gains which he's proven time and again. I'm all for getting him the ball more. I'm not asking him to be Percy Harvin, but he certainly can be Percy Harvin light.

Tayvion has pretty average speed. Great vision, quickness, and balance though

Yes, the big difference between Tayvion and Harvin, who I'm told people in the 757 compared him to, is the elite speed. Robinson had several long plays this season that didn't end in the EZ by the kind of margins that they would have for Harvin. Simple as that. I still love that we have Tayvion and get to watch him for 2-3 more years.

Don't get me wrong, tayvion is a one of my favorite players on the team and a hell of an athlete, but Percy was on another level

Completely agree

Precisely what I was saying.

Purely meant as a joke from the old days of too many wr screens if called properly theyre fine and I'm all for dynamic players in the slot I would like to see us set up more for guys like Robinson going forward the dudes a hell of playmaker if you can get him the ball in one on one coverage and space

Directions from Blacksburg to whoville, go north till you smell it then go east until you step in it

I hadn't heard of him before, but upon a quick search, the BTN had him listed at the #29 returning player in the conference for the 2019 season. Saw some highlights and it looks like the kid can play. Lots of work on screens. Good hands out of the backfield, good vision, and a little wiggle.

Not sure we have the space for him but that'd be a nice pickup.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7v73ICmw2UM

I understand Khalil Herbert is from Kansas...the RB from Rutgers I do not know his name, but it is not Khalil Herbert, but it sounds like the coaches are trying to get him as well.

FIRST DOWN, HOKIES!

LA, any word on Lamareon James and where we stand with him after his decommitment from UNC and Mitchell leaving?

FWIW he has 100% CB projections for the good guys

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All depends on his grades I believe. If he can qualify, then VT is probably the favorite

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To play DL for Wiles, you had to be able to move/run. That was really the #1 requirement for playing time- if you were 260 and looked like JJ Watt but couldn't run fast, you were moved or didn't play. Guys like Tyrell Wilson got burn because they were quick- never mind if a punter could block them at the point of attack. Tim Settle redshirted for petes sake. I'm most curious to see if this will change now? Will big dudes that might not run like deer be able to contribute on the DL now? That's why these bigger DE's are intriguing to me.

Some of this will probably depend on who we get at DL coach

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I forget where I read this but just within the past few days I saw that JHam prefers the DE's to bull rush the tackles, getting in the line of fire to help interfere with the short passing game as opposed to using speed to get around the tackles. The bull rush also helps with not creating the running lanes for mobile QBs to gash us on a scramble aka Bryce Perkins. Recruiting the bigger and longer DE's was to fit this scheme I believe.

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"These people are losing their minds" - Mike Patrick

Thanks for this post. I'm not really worried about what people say about this low ranking class because

1. VT has one of the younger teams in the country. A lot of Freshmen and Sophomores playing meaningful minutes
2. VT has not traditionally been in contention for any big 4 and 5 stars anyway. We just need to make sure that we are hitting it out of the part next year though.

I can see why Fu made the changes he did to start to trend towards better recruiting. I listened to Fu's presser yesterday and was kinda surprised that he didn't call out Davidson by name who helped with making that push of TX2VT.

If you believe those two points, your expectation is to finish 2-3rd in the ACC Coastal and be content with the Belk/Music City Bowls. And that's fine, but that's where you are setting expectations for the program. You can't be a top 15 program and legit compete for ACC Championships with justifying an 8-4 roster making up for a 61st ranked class, and oh darn, we never get high rated players anyway. Those opinions are fine, but do not line up with expectations of winning more than 7-8 games and mid tier bowls.

DC, this isn't directed at you, but just in general, but we can't expect National Championships when we have belk city bowl money at VT. A lot of the things that have been going on with the coaching staff are hopefully being fixed, but right now we're putting a product on the field that doesn't have the money of a Clemson. Am I satisfied with not at least competing for National Championships? For now, I am because I know that we are in a way building this program to where it needs to be. At this point, it is what it is.

In Beamer's hay day, the real knocks on the program were facilities- which were addressed with a brand new huge locker room and top notch indoor facility- and offense being bad to outdated to not a shiny object for recruits. These were the 2 things keeping VT from competing at a higher level than the sugar bowl/acc championship. Justin Fuente was hired to address #2 and thus elevate the program in the process. 4 years in, the offense is "ok"- it's not great, but it's not ranked 90th either, and now we have a small class of largely 2-3 star guys that is going to be an issue 3 years from now if not sooner. My expectations are higher than that, and in order for us to win ACC Championships again, everyone's expectations need to be higher, IMO.

While I agree with you, I think that while we are starting to see the staff shift to a focus on recruiting (this is a great thing) we are going to have to raise our finances. My question is if VT had 7.4 million just to pay assistants and support staff, would we be able to compete with the Clemsons and Alabamas of the world? I think so..because then you can start bringing in those 4 or 5 players. The thing about it is that in 2016 we actually could have beaten Clemson, but we just came up short. If we want to compete for a national championship though (and now going through the playoffs make its that much more important) we're going to have to have better financials. For VT - More money = more support staff = more and better evals = better players = competing for National Championships...

YES! Clemson and the other blue bloods not only have bigger fan bases, but they have fans who are serious enough to contribute $$$. You can't simply hire younger staff and be more active on social media and expect to land higher rated recruits. It takes money to change recruiting, and unfortunately lots of Hokie fans will not (or cannot) support the program financially. The percentage of alumni who give to VT Athletics and the avg. donation both lag behind the better football schools. Until that changes there is a definite ceiling that will hold the program back from competing with Clemson, et. al.

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we have a small class of largely 2-3 star guys

We didn't sign a single 2* player. You don't need to embellish to get your point across.

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Rivals has 5 of our 2020 recruits listed as 2 stars.

I used to be with it, but then they changed what it was. Now what I'm with isn't it, and what's it seems weird and scary to me.

News to me. Rivals is the furthest thing from the authority on recruiting ratings nowadays.

Very well.

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Yes, Fencer was looking for an argument

I was looking to tell you something.

You can be entitled to your opinion about the recruiting class, but you aren't entitled to your own facts.

But if you want to go with Rivals for your recruit rankings instead of the 247 composite then I guess you're technically correct.

The Orange and Maroon you see, that's fighting on to victory.

I wasn't making up my own facts, and I didn't get the memo that Fencer doesn't like Rivals. Carry On

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There were multiple players in this class who weren't even ranked when they committed and were gifted a "blanket" 3* grade as a result.

While 2 stars barely exist in the current recruiting environment, you can probably look at those no star dudes suddenly getting ranked within an hour of committing to VT in a similar manner.

I'm not trying to be a downer but that was the case with multiple players in this class. Each one of those guys may turn out to be excellent players, but that's basically the equivalent of what two star guys are in 2020 (though they definitely still exist on multiple services).

Yes, correct. Bottom line is that in 3 years for the 2020 class to be a success we will need a near perfect storm- these guys have to stay healthy, stay in the program and really develop. If not, the typical recruiting class bust rate will hit the 2020 class especially hard given lower numbers and lesser talent.

Wouldn't the lower numbers actually help overall in the team point of view? Like, if we were going to take a class with lower levels of talent, wouldn't we want it to be a tiny class? So, even if the class has a higher bust rate, the actual numbers will be lower, from the point of view of the team.

This class isn't up to the standard we want, but it is MUCH better that it is also a small class. If we had this level of recruiting and the class size was normal, it would be a lot worse overall.

Would you like Prys with that?

Not really, IMO. 40% busts in a class of 15 leaves you with what we had last year- less than 10 seniors on the roster, with certain youth and leadership issues overall. You want more quality players. Your assumption is that all classes have low rated guys, which doesn't and shouldn't be the case at a school like VT.

What I said was that if we were going to take a class with a low overall talent level it's better that it is small. That is objectively true.

If we have to take a class with low talent at all is a separate question.

Would you like Prys with that?

You cant accurately project 4 years out how many seniors there are. There could be multiple transfers in. There will be red shirts and sixth year guys.

With that said, my hope is that this small class at least have higher than normal contributor rate even if the all star count is low.

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I don't know that I necessarily agree with that take, but I see where you're coming from.

The lack of overall class size can be mitigated by deeper and more talented previous and following classes. We knew this class was going to be small, so the fact that we were seemingly targeting specific positions to me makes me think a larger class over the next two years with more P5 ready players can overtake the smaller class this season in terms of ability.

By 2023, this class could have none left in it still enrolled in Blacksburg, having been passed over by seemingly better younger players, the inevitable injury, or the portal. By 2013, this class could also have exactly what we were looking for in long athletic DEs that pinch escape lanes, and big power runners that remind us of the likes of Stith, Suggs, and Jones. Likely, it's going to be in the middle, but therein lies the advantage of a small class. It doesn't have to have everyone ball out for the class to be a success.

Never Forget #1 Overall Seed UVA 54, #64 UMBC 74

I think some of these kids did not attend camps etc and went under the radar until they where recruited. The talking heads that hand out star ratings can only be in so many places at once and the information we get from them is opinion not facts. They do take in all the measurable's and do film study but they are wrong a lot. It's the best we have and it's fun to follow and debate but it really comes down each school doing their own evaluations. The blue bloods can bring in a large numbers of 4 and 5 star players but they still play some 3 star guys because a lot of the high star guy's just don't pan out. Keep in mind one of the best receivers of all time went under the radar before becoming a superstar - Jerry Rice! Don't get me wrong it would be nice to have all 4 and 5 star players but it wouldn't make us a contender without a good coaching. Look at the blue bloods that get these guy's and still cannot win 10 plus games. I don't know what the right formula is but I do like the changes we're making going to a bigger D line and O line and I'm excited for our future.

we can't expect National Championships when we have belk city bowl money at VT

It's a chicken/egg situation, but if you win with what you have, you'll see an increase in donations. See this tweet from Will Stewart:

Notice some trends at Clemson - As Dabo got them more competitive, there was an increase in donations. When they made the playoff, there was a HUGE spike in donations - almost double. I'm not expecting Fuente to turn an 8 win team into a title contender, but I do expect continued improvement over time. If he wants more support from the fans, he needs to give them something to support.

VT has not traditionally been in contention for any big 4 and 5 stars anyway.

This narrative is also false. Until ~2010 or so, VT was in regular contention for top 4 and 5 star recruits... they even landed a few. Truth is, perception of VT football (and therefore recruiting) started to decline after the disastrous Miami game in 2005 and after Percy Harvin publicly spurned VT as small-time. But until then, VT was exciting to recruits, fans, and other folks outside the program.

If the past ~10 or so years of mediocre recruiting and mediocre performance have done this to homer perceptions of the program, imagine how the outside world perceives the program.

Well I think the eval may have been off on a couple of those 4 and 5 stars...Joel Caleb, Holland Fisher, and Fred Lee come to mind off the top of my head

A couple of busts doesn't mean we shouldn't be focusing on landing 4 and 5* talent, though. Those are exceptions, not the rule. We need better players and should be focusing all the resources we can on procuring better players.

Sure, recruiting rankings are not exact science, but there are many, many more 5 star first round NFL picks than 2 star first round picks. The process is pretty accurate overall. Look at our own team- look who is solid and look who makes big plays and are difference makers on the field- the Tre Turner's, etc.

Here is an article from 2009 and the writer talks about recruiting from 05-09.
https://bleacherreport.com/articles/283737-virginia-tech-football-where-...
The below is from the article, seems to be an ongoing theme...
"Tech also grabbed nine of the top 15 in the state of Virginia, four of the remaining six went to UVA, and the remaining two went out of state. However, those great recruits the Hokies got, just about all of them never panned out. Macho Harris was the lone five star in this class and lived up to the hype, becoming a great cornerback. "

FIRST DOWN, HOKIES!

When I say ongoing theme I am talking about top recruits in VA not working out. Joel Caleb and Holland Fisher both come to the top of my mind.

FIRST DOWN, HOKIES!

I think it only seems that way because by looking back you are peeking into a decades worth of recruiting and there were absolutely great talented kids in those classes. But, we were never landing individual classes full of blue chips.

"A person is smart. People are dumb, panicky dangerous animals and you know it." - K

We had 7 4* recruits in 2018 and 2019. The only other 7 4* recruit season was 2012. The rest are 5 and under, mostly 4. We used to land the occasional 5* and haven't done that in a while. But if anything, we're in more contention and getting the 4*s.

Whats the deal with Jahad Carter? Will we ever see him? I noticed he is the lone commit to not sign.

"If at first you do not succeed, then skydiving is not for you." - Anonymous

yeah, curious. anyone know if he and drew harris are a package deal?

"Why gobble gobble chumps asks such good questions, I will never know." - TheFifthFuller

Drew Harris will live on in infamy for centuries to come

uva - the taint of the ACC
Callused perineum is a symptom of being a uva fan

what's the word on Lakeem going to defense? He's always been listed on 247 as a WR but Hokie twitter announced his signed LOI with him listed as a defensive back. Is this a recent change or did they recruit him the whole time for the defensive side of the ball?

I thought he was always viewed as a safety for us but LA prob has more scoop

"Give me a fu¢king beer", Anonymous Genius

You are correct

Safety with WR hands and one more ingredient equals Ball Hawk

You will see this game, this upset and this sign next on ESPN Sportscenter. Virginia Tech 31 Miami 7

His decision was made after a phone call with longtime Virginia Tech assistant coach Bud Foster. All Foster told him was, "We win. They don't."

Is the third ingredient a Miami QB?

Jacory pls??

Leonard. Duh.

No clue, I had way too much wine last night. I'm pretty sure I was thinking Robber Coverage

You will see this game, this upset and this sign next on ESPN Sportscenter. Virginia Tech 31 Miami 7

His decision was made after a phone call with longtime Virginia Tech assistant coach Bud Foster. All Foster told him was, "We win. They don't."

Kinda like when Deablo switched positions?

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