Really I know every TRUE Hokie fan wanted to go to the championship game in Charlotte. But honestly we would not ne able to match up with one of the best college football teams that money can buy, which is FSU right now (same level of Alabama). It is not our programs style. I really look forward to the future with all the young players being involved (especially all the true and redshirt freshmen playing). I really feel for all the seniors today for not being able to go out on a win. But these young men exemplify everything that is VT and will be forever remembered for the work, effort, and dedication that they put forward for the school and the fan base within the entire state of VA.
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we're not completely out of the acc race yet....
just sayin'
HOKIES FOR THE FUTURE
I don't give a FvCk. No Fvcks are given. The only thing I want now is a complete and total beat down of UVA. A disgusting display of physical dominance. I want it to be medieval, Neanderthal, prime, base, raw, abuse. Only that will suffice.
Seriously, quit with the spam.
Looks like he is downvoting anybody that tries to stop him.
I'm clearly frightened. If he wants to be a jerk, fine. There are a few people around here that are in foul moods right now and are doing idiotic things.
Spit take on this one. The guy may be getting down votes but his humor is leet.
The downvotes aren't because of the humor. It's because he copied and pasted the same thing on a good 5 or 6 threads.
Yup, just saw that. I also noticed that he has an original no "F" given for almost everyone, and they all made me either laugh or chuckle. I think I am really going to like it here.
If UNC beats Duke and Tech beats UVA then the Hokies are going to the ACCCG.
Or if Duke were to some how completely not show up against Wake Forest... Highly improbable but still another ACCCG yielding scenario.
pretty sure we need duke to lose to UNC regardless of what they do against wake. We need to beat lolluva no matter what...if not for the potential opportunity of going to charlotte..we need to beat LOLUVA because as long as we beat LOLUVA our season will not be an utter failure...
Yeah I know we have to win out for any ACCCG scenario to apply to us
All they need to do is lose to UNC and for Tech to beat UVA. The Wake game is completely irrelevant.
Why is Wake irrelevant? I thought a loss in either game (UNC or Wake) meant the same thing?
Nope. Check out Andy Bitter's blog on the topic (posted yesterday). Duke winning against Wake and losing to UNC is the best thing for us.
Do you happen to have a link? I'm having difficulty finding it. I understand how the UNC win could add an extra team to the tie-break but if I understand correctly a Duke loss in either game would produce at least a 3-way tie (With GT finished ACC play and 3 losses).
*Assumption of VT beating UVA of course
Last section:
http://blogs.roanoke.com/andybittervirginiatechfootball/2013/11/16/final...
Thanks GuitarMan! An up-vote for your help
I see where I went wrong. I thought the first tie-breaker was division record but it's a combined head-to-head (see section B, point #1). That's what I didn't know, thus my confusion. Thanks again for everyone's patience and help. For others, a direct link to the ACC tie-break rules http://www.theacc.com/#!/page/ACC-Football-Championship-Tiebreakers
Wake is practically irrelevant because if Duke loses to them it still relies on other people losing to get us a tie breaking win, which I believe is due to Wake not being in the division. They would have to lose to UNC or the right combination of UVA-Miami and Miami-Pitt would have to shake out.
The greater than 2-way tie break is division record right? (This may be where I'm confused if this tie-break rule isn't true) As long as Duke drops one game they finish conference play at no better than 5-3. If we beat UVA we finish 5-3. GT is done and 5-3. We would be the only team of those three to lose one coastal division game. Maybe Miami wins out, best they can do is 5-3 with 2 coastal losses.
We are out
Not technically, but we don't much control over what goes down, so it's nothing but a long shot.
I don't care for your pessimism
I'm glad too because if it came down to us playing fsu in the title game w fsu getting a chance to play for the national title, I'd rather have fsu go win the title.
I would much rather have a shot at beating FSU. Screw conference loyalty.
I rather enjoyed the assertion that we'd be the ones to keep the SEC from falling.
are you fucking kidding me seth?? surious??
Not saying I would root against us, but us beating FSU wouldn't sit well with me, especially if OSU gets a MNC berth only to get annihilated. FSU is just stupid good and for us to beat them would almost be a fluke given what we've seen all season. I want Bama's dynasty talk over and the $EC perceived dominance gone and FSU has the best chance of doing that.
I want to win games. Fuck a bunch of anything else that's going on. Win games. We shoot the ACC in the foot? Doesn't matter. Won games. All of college football despises the SEC for another year? Doesn't matter. Won games. Lost to UVa? Goddammit. That sucks.
I'm dead serious on this. IF we do make it to the title game and beat FSU I don't want to see us lose another BCS bowl my heart can't take it anymore. The fact is this whole thing is bigger than VT. It's about our conference being a joke compared the sec, big 10 and PAC 12. It's about our conference playing in the national title game. There is nothing more that I want than for VT to knock off the secs title run but we proved early in the season that we can't hang so it's up to fsu. While that does suck I'm looking at the bigger picture here. Down vote me all you want but this is the way I see it.
My take on that is this:
IF VT makes it to the ACCCG I want us to tear FSU a new one and we'll end up in the OB and I would love to see our Hokies beat whoever they play (I have a sneaking suspicion it wouldn't be an SEC squad)
IF VT does NOT make it to the ACCCG, I wouldn't mind seeing FSU dethrone the SEC
I kind of gave up on conference pride a while ago, but I hate nothing more than the SEC...except maybe tOSU..I HATE tOSU
#NeverForgetJanuaryFourth2000
Turn in your Hokie Pride and pick out an SEC school to root for, that is where you belong, sir.
I can't believe what I'm reading in some of these posts...we're a fan base that actually doesn't want to be in a chamionship game? To have a shot at being the cinderalla story? To play Wisconsin or Oregon in the OB?
Yes, I know winning is a longshot, but that's why they play the damn games. Go Hokies, go UNC, let's get to Charlotte and win a damn title.
^^^^^^AMEN to that!!!
That's a cheap shot for having an opinion but it would be very hard to turn in my Hokie card when I have it tattooed on my shoulder. I love VT more than anybody but I'm a realist and when the baby is ugly you gotta call it ugly.
I'm not trying to be a pessimist, but a realist we just do not match up with FSU, and to help with the stigma that the ACC has in football. I just personally see that FSU is too talented for us to match up.
I agree whole heartedly. If we make it to the ACCCG, we'd be lucky to get there, and then get curbed stomped my FSU. Just look how we've done against mediocre teams so far. Dook being the exception here because they've been playing better than anyone in the coastal for the most part IMO. We just cannot hang with FSU. They've been putting up Oregon type numbers against all of the ACC teams. Just have to accept the fact of how we are right now and hope to improve next year with the OC in charge. In Bud We Trust.
VT was a top 5 team against a mediocre FSU squad in an ACC title game once..why does no one remember that? Are all you new fans to the Hokies? Know your history, upsets happen in title games.
See: KSU over. Oklahoma in the Big 12 title game.
Having the chance to win > being hopeful that you don't get beat by a top team.
Obviously, your name is not Homer.
We don't match up. I'm gonna cry. Who cares, and who cares about Stigma? If Duke loses to UNC and we beat UVa, we're in and we'll give it our best shot. That's what competitors want.
Winners always want the ball
-Gene Hackman
Pain heals. Chicks dig scars. Glory...lasts forever.
I LOVE YOU SHANE FALCO! Even if you did go to an assclown college.
Can't say I agree with this...getting to the game would be awesome, having a shot at FSU would be awesome. Crazier things have happened before...we show up and play our best game all year, FSU comes out flat, who knows? I realize odds are very very small, not delusional, but I'd like to have a shot
and screw conference loyalty...I want VT to win the ACC, period.
Meh.
I am against 3+loss teams getting BCS bids, just on principle.
If we backed into the Charlotte, and then somehow pulled off a win over FSU, I'd be severely conflicted.
Especially considering our record in BCS bowl games. Just not a situation I even want to consider right now.
I hear you but nah, man. If we went to Charlotte and beat FSU - you'd be jumping up and down and screaming.
Screw that man...we need to do what is best for VT not the ACC and the rest of college football. They wouldn't hesitate if the tables were turned...If we were number 2 and they had the chance to knock us off FSU would do anything they could to beat us. FACT!!!
I seem to recall something about us being #2 and FSU beating us...
I'm an optimist at heart anyway so Id like to see us slip in and get to Charlotte because 2 seasons straight we have played to the level of our opponents. So I think we would have a shot at FSU, just look at last season taking FSU to the final minute of the fourth.
I just don't know. I think we'd all like to see our guys have a shot to win the championship, but this edition of FSU is pretty dominant. When you are out scoring teams 28 to 0 in the FIRST quarter that means something.
Could they have a bad day? Sure. Could we execute and catch some breaks like we did at Miami? Sure.
One thing is certain. Screw conference loyalty. I have a saying about championships, "anybody, but Miami or FSU" and more recently added Clemson!
You said: anybody, but Miami or FSU" and more recently added Clemson!"
And I'll add: anybody but UVa, BC, MD, UNC, NCState,.....
But if for some reason not us, I will root for them.
Go Hokies!
It ain't over til it's over....
1.We beat UVA, Duke loses, as said above, we're going to Charlotte.
2. Don't be quite so quick to dismiss our chances against FSU. Yes, they're pretty darn good. However, if we do indeed play to the level of our competition, then we should acquit ourselves very nicely.
3. We don't yet know the results of the whole Winston assault investigation. If he's charged with a felony, he's automatically suspended.
4. As a closing thought, I'd direct you to last year's FSU-VT game. One that we should have won, allowing a last minute TD pass to win it.
I'd like VT to get there, however they can.
Sure, we may get beat up by FSU, but what the hey.
Team/coaches/players get more experience, etc.
Yeah, Iowa State didn't have a chance agianst OKst a few years ago. Neither did Utah against Stanford this year. Not sure how you can say this after we hung with Bama in the first game of the year. With a healthy defense we have a chance against anyone IMO.
If we choose to take the approach mentioned in the title of this thread we do not deserve to EVER win a national championship.
I don't care if this team has 0 losses or 4 losses. At the end of the day, any opportunity to play one of the best teams in America, any opportunity to hang up a championship banner of any kind is an opportunity I would refuse to turn down.
Better to have tried and failed than to never have tried at all.
+100000... Couldn't agree more
yeah - good point. after the game Saturday, I concluded that our O line can't hang with a decent front 7 (UofM does NOT qualify) and that FSU would mop us. however, we can't have that attitude. with our defense, we can stay with anyone if the other facets of the game are hitting on all cylinders. that's how we knock off top 10 teams.
Couldn't agree with you anymore. I feel as if we are Florida State's kryptonite much like Clemson is ours. Our team was much worse last year and managed to have a very competitive game against a #10 FSU team. It wouldn't surprise me one bit if we played them in the ACC championship and made it a very close game. But that is the problem with our team, we can play up to our competition and also play down to them. Elite teams put away the teams they're supposed to beat convincingly. Only game of the season I was convinced we were a good team was Miami and GT. I think our team needs a change of culture, god bless what Frank Beamer has done for this football program but what worked for him in the 90s and early 2000s isn't working anymore. We can't keep having average or above average recruiting classes to compete with the best. The lack of play consistent offensive play makers on field is very evident and unless we don't recruit some of those we won't be competing with Florida State and Clemson anymore. Wont be long before Miami and their #3 recruiting class in the country dominate the coastal and VT becomes a distant memory unless serious culture changes get made.
Ugh. Changes were made. The offensive staff, which is the side of the ball you seem to have a problem with, is almost completely new. These changes aren't instantaneous. You have to wait for results, I'm sorry.
You have to wait for results. But your offense should progress from the start of the season to the end. Our offense looks exactly the same. The Miami performance continues to look less impressive as we see how bad they really are. How is it that Pitt can put up 58 on Duke but we can only put up 10? Wake forest puts up 34 points on Miami and we put up 21 at end of regulation? There is no excuse for how bad we perform
Duke has definitely progressed throughout the season. I think the past two games have shown offensive improvements for our team compared to what we looked like early on.
I want to play FSU because I want to play the best. Even if you assume that we would lose against them, then at the very least we would get to play the two best teams in college football this season, which definitely would help the team improve.
Also, we are far from out of it as long as we beat UVA. Yes this team is inconsistent, but our losses are against teams much better than UVA. Duke has to play away their next two games against teams that are decent and are hugely motivated to beat them. Duke is good, and could definitely run the table. But it won't be easy for them to.
After reading each post in this thread, how has everyone forgotten the season of payback? Odds may not be in our favor, but how great would it be to finally redeem ourselves for the 1999 National Championship Game and crush the championship hopes and dreams of FSU fans everywhere?
thank you!
How the hell are you guys talking about beating FSU? Has anyone watched our actual season? We are still discounting Duke even though they are better than us this year.
FSU is the better team, by a lot, but upsets do happen. If Utah can beat Stanford, VT can beat FSU. That's why they play the games.
Not saying we will win, but any team with any kind if heart would rather be on this game than not be in it.
Sh'yeah.
I want the chance, unlikely as it is.
What's the fun in just playing teams that we're 'supposed' to beat?
Why even post on this site with realism if you are going to get down voted for it
Make up up-vote.
You're right, we'd likely lose.
But there's little risk, high- reward.
(Not gonna happen, but fun to discuss.)
What is we get the Charlotte...get smoked by FSU...and Nnadi makes his choice off that game?
That's a different spin to think about. But the kid changes his mind because we perform well (or maybe with the ACC this year, "less bad") enough to go to a conference champ game with the young team we have? I don't think that would be a logical decision by him.
EDIT: I like you're thinking outside the box, with respect to recruits so an up-vote for that
I didn't (and wouldn't) down vote, but to me the concept seems silly... why even play the season if we don't want to be in this game?
And also... What's changed since last week? We knew last week FSU is better and would be favored to beat us. We knew last week we were inconsistent and could lose to anyone including Maryland, but if we played our best we had a shot. Nothing has changed.
You know what I love about our team and our coaches? That they all want to be in this game and will be pissed at themselves if they don't make it, regardless of who will be favored to win. That is the attitude of a champion, and if we hope to ever win a NC that's the attitude wet need.
These are facts. Good question my friend. It seems to me that after a loss if you aren't all up in the clouds and have optimism then you are bad fan and get down voted for having an opinion about it.
I, for one, don't fear the big bad Seminoles. As I've previously stated, they've shown that they are not invincible. (See Boston college game) .. They've been prone to slow starts...
A team like Alabama can get off to a hot start, and put the clamps on early. (I think Alabama has gotten better defensively every week...and their oline looks a shit ton better now)
Anyway, anything can happen in football... and I wouldn't count us out before there's even a game. I hope the the football gods grace us with an ACCCG appearance this year.
Afraid of being embarrassed is a losing attitude.
Not sure who downvoted this, because this statement is absolutely correct.
Have an upvote on me.
My reasons for disagreeing with this post:
1. Our younger players and coaching staff need every opportunity to gameplan and play against the best teams and on big stages. If we ever want another shot at the National Championship, coaches and players would be better served having an ACCCG against the #2 team in the country under their belts. SEC schools know what it's like to play big games (strong opponents, large crowds, and media frenzy) multiple times a year, and I think that's aided their title runs.
2. Competing on such a high level draws bigger recruits who want to play on big stages.
3. Our seniors deserve another (big) game. You can guarantee tons of scouts will be on hand and will comb through the game film, and see how our guys measure up against top talent. Could wind up getting a HOKIE a shot in an NFL camp, which is a plus in my eyes.
I like your thinking and optimism. And welcome to TKP community!
Damn dude when I read your post I just assumed you had well over a couple 100 Turkey Legs then looked up and saw the single digits. A very well thought out and worded post, Welcome to TKP sir you will fit in just fine. We need more newcomers like dubdub and less "trolls" calling for CFB's firing/forced retirement.
I don't care about VT winning the ACCCG with 4 losses, I care about VT winning the MNC within the next few years. If VT goes to Charlotte this year and beats FSU, it will hurt the image of the ACC in the next few years when the playoffs start.
If FSU wins the title this year, it favors an ACC team making it to the top 4 next year.
If Bama or the SEC Champion wins the MNC this year, it favors 2 SEC making it to the top 4 next year.
Wrong thread, but I wanted to vent a little about the Terps loss. I believe the game was lost in the final 15 seconds of the 4th quarter when Beamer called victory formation to send it into overtime. The stadium was booing, and that kills the team. It's like folding without even looking at your hand. There was enough time to try a quick pass and a bomb. I would have felt better seeing a pick six for the loss than seeing players get booed on Senior Day.
If Logan had thrown a pick-six for the loss, guess what? The players would have gotten booed on Senior Day. LT especially.
(SN: would have)
You honestly think with 15 seconds left based on how the team had performed we would have been able to drive 65 or so yards without a sack or interception in order to set up a game winning field goal by a kicker we "picked up at the Walmart"?
Considering at that point Logan was getting hit practically at the end of a three-step drop, I think you be have been a little too optimistic.
Not sure how this adds up. You're saying if VT beats FSU in the ACCCG THIS year, it will hurt VT's chances of being selected by a committee for FUTURE year's NC playoff?
Even if we disregard the fact that voters should evaluate the current year's team, if VT performs well against the #2 team in the country this year, why wouldn't that give voters confidence in VT for future years? Yes, it would be cool to see an ACC team win it IF VT doesn't make it, but only after all options have been exhausted of VT not making it, so why not root for VT to perform well ALL the time?
Also, take a look at the selection committee. The committee has its obligatory ACC AD (from Clemson), as it does for each of the 5 major conferences, but the other at-large/media members all have ties to conferences/schools in the midwest and west coast (BIG10, PAC12), except for Mike Tranghese who is a former commissioner/creator of the Big East when 6 current ACC schools were in his Big East (including VT of course). So it wouldn't be a stretch to say that 2 of 13 committee members are there that would likely plug a 1-loss or undefeated ACC Champion for playoff consideration.
(source: Wikipedia of course)
For me, bottom line is if VT/FSU/Miami take care of business (i.e. 1-loss or undefeated champs) then they probably won't have to worry about the "image" and will earn their way into a four team playoff. (unless there is a 1-loss SEC runner-up in the picture)
This isn't the year for Tech to make a title run. FSU winning the title this year reestablish's the ACC as a power conference. I know Tech beating FSU will give Tech a better image in years to come, but as long as the ACC is perceived as a weak conference, there is no guarantee a 1 loss Tech ACC Champion goes to the playoffs in the future.
So you're saying wouldn't have some beers and root for Tech if they made it to the game? haha, kidding, I understand your point.
In response to the ACC being perceived as a weak conference if FSU were to lose to VT or anybody in the ACCCG, I think the only way to rid the perception would be if FSU were to win the NCG against Bama. If FSU loses then, "the ACC still isn't ready for prime time" or if FSU were to play and beat Ohio St or Baylor, then "they SEC is so good it just ate its own, and the ACC didn't really prove anything since it was a BIG10 or BIG12 team" This is how I think ACC critics and SEC homers will see it until we beat the SEC in a NCG. IMO, Nick Saban with that amount of time to prepare for FSU and the experience of Bama's team will result in the ACC still being perceived as weak. That's just another reason for me to root for VT to make it to and win the ACCCG because I don't see it having a negative impact on our selection for playoffs in the future. Hell, in 2011 we had 2 losses (including 38-10 in the ACCCG) and were 11th in the BCS and a committee chose us over the #4, 7, and 8 teams for the Sugar Bowl. So the ACC's perception among the people that actually matter doesn't seem THAT bad.
"So the ACC's perception among the people that actually matter doesn't seem THAT bad."
And 2 BCS bids for the ACC last year! (To LSU's dismay...)
In relative response to this general topic about ACC perception, I actually don't think FSU winning out and beating Alabama for the title helps the ACC that much, if any. All it really does is promote the notion that FSU fielded a fantastic team this year that blew away its competition in a top heavy division and conference (which is the current trajectory). The only game they really struggled in was against BC, but even Alabama has struggled for a few quarters this year.
If anything, I am always going to route for the hokies and would kill to see them ruin FSU's title hopes just the way they ruined ours. This has been the year of payback afterall. And like you said, the ACC's perception is the way it is as we ultimately got that sugar bowl bid in 2011 over those other teams. If next year yielded the same results, I could easily see us getting another BCS bid.
I think it does help the ACC perception. Look at the last, what, seven years? LSU, Alabama, Auburn, and Florida have all won national championships, and against who? The Big Ten, the Big 12, the PAC 10 (? at the time ?), and Notre Dame. Then, guess what, the ACC gets a shot and BOOM FSU wins it all. So they'd technically be 'back'.
#goACC
That is exactly what I was trying to get across. Thank you sir.
Sorry, can't disagree more with this post. Our players are gladiators, let them fight again if given the opportunity. It's not our place to decide if they somehow "deserve" it or not; that's why there are tiebreakers and rules. By definition they will have deserved it. If they go I hope they smash FSU. And if they don't I hope that they give them a game. And if they get embarrassed, I still would have them go again. Keep fighting.
I ain't skeered! Fuck FSU! When this team is clicking on all cylinders we have the best chance to beat them. Would I love to see an ACC team move on to the MNC? You bet your ass I would, but I would not trade a Hokie loss to FSU to see this happen. If we go let's beat FSU, then win the OB match up and gain a shit ton of momentum going into next season.
coming back and reading this post for a second time...it seems even more ridiculous. THIS IS WHY WE PLAY THE SEASON. If we don't want to face good teams in championship games and BCS bowl games, then WHY THE HELL ARE WE PLAYING THE SEASON? Who cares if we get blown out on national TV - I want the opportunity to try. Football, and sports in general, is about trying. So this is ridiculous, not wanting to have the opportunity to try.
We are not the ACC. We are VT. I wanna see the Hokies do well. I want my Hokies to be champions. To hell with FSU and an ACC team winning the NC. Sure, if they make it to that game, I'll cheer for an ACC team to win. But at the cost of VT winning the ACC? Absolutely not. This is crazy talk.
The best part of this game will be having no expectations, just like MD did on Saturday. What if we lose? It's status quo, people expect us to lose. But what if we win? We shock the world and get a signature victory. Yes I know odds are small, but you don't just not try when the odds are small. FSU fans thought they had no chance to beat a dominant VT team in 05, but they pulled it out. We can do the same.
I hope UNC beats Duke and we beat uva so we get this opportunity. Go Hokies!
I think we are going about this the wrong way.
Of course I want VT to go to the ACCCG. That means one more day of tailgating, shower beers to Enter Sandman, hanging out with family and friends, eating food that is terribly bad for you, a week of hoping for a big Hokie win. One more Hokie football weekend would be awesome IMO.
The result of the game is important to me - but I enjoy the time leading up to a game a whole lot. Can't do that if we aren't playing!
This may have been posted elsewhere, but this breaks down how each team can get into the ACC Championship game.
Right Here
I would rather take the shot against FSU and lose, then not take the shot. We have all seen how up and down the team is this year. We have gotten up for the big games, Bama and Miami. I would like to think that the team would rise to the occasion and teach the nation that Virginia Tech can NEVER be counted out.
Amen, give me a shot at them, don't take the punk route and be glad we avoid playing top competition.
Playing another game is never a bad thing. Even if we lose by 100. Well except for my liver. My liver probably thinks its a bad thing.
I have heard this lament before about actually being glad to avoid a top ranked team. This to me is total b.s. in every sense of what sports are about. Saying you are glad to not have a shot at a top team is tantamount to reaching down and tugging on ones nuts til they pop out and handing them over; because you won't need them anymore.
Where does it say we lose if we play? I know the odds and stats and everything else point to a lopsided game, but damn have some friggin stones, man! VT was a top 5 team in the ACC title game when FSU limped in after winning a pathetic Atlantic division, and they WON.
What are you going to do when a first year starting QB goes in to the Horseshoe for his second college start against a team that MIGHT be 2 years removed from losing their last game! Run? Hide? Pray for a rain out? Man the fuck up and get in there and play the game.
rant over
WE CAN BEAT FSU!!!
Not wanting to play in the ACCCG is a losing attitude. This is akin to LOLUVA fans complaining about scheduling Oregon this year. Playing F$U in the title game means one more game for us to watch, one more game for manbearpig to crush the RB, one more game for James Gayle to give a QB nightmares, one more game for LT3 to tell the haters to suck it, and one more glorious Saturday of Hokie football (and Bourbon). How could you not want that?
Even if we are not at the top of our game I would rather loose in Charlotte then stay home!
Lose*
Im sorry, that one always drives me crazy. Have a leg!
Arrrgh. The special meaning of irony applies here lol. Now here's your consolation leg.
Damn typing skills failed me once again...
Legs for everyone!
I thought this was a joke for the FSU fan chick with the poster for the Miami game. If it was, well played.
If it was not, shame.
A real Hokie never backs down or shy's away from a shot at glory....Give it our best shot to shock the world and ruin the FSU dream season.
I have to say I am disappointed that a Hokie fan doesn't want one more shot for Logan, Gayle, etc and a shot at redemption.
I tend to be kind of a sore loser sometimes. I want Alabama to lose to Auburn. I want us to beat FSU. Baylor vs. OSU for the title with Baylor winning just to piss everyone off. Because if it is not us, then to hell with everyone else. Oh and it would be nice to beat bama in an orange bowl rematch.