And call it a day. I for one am tired of people who aren't willing to fully invest and see something through.
I bet Shane and a bunch of other hokies (JHam et Al) would.
To be honest that story and narrative would get me way more excited, sentimental, and ready to go than all this crap.
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Or we can consider all the interested and qualified candidates like Whit is surely doing at the moment and then decide to hire somebody.
As the great warren buffet said (loosely) - the power of compounding interest over time is the most powerful force in the universe.
I'm ready for a long term investment. I'm a 20 year guy. Give me a 20 year plan, 8 year minimum and I'll get behind it.
Who says Shane is a 20 year investment?
I agree, I think he'll pay dividends far sooner than that.
I mean, I wasn't specific enough...my thought was more along the lines that just cause Frank stayed at VT for 30 years doesn't mean Shane wouldn't do 4 then bolt for a better gig
MV7 just endorsed the idea, along with some other Hokies.
Start the hype train baby
who is paying the $12.5M buyout?
Hopefully Baylor. And then Shane gonna Make it rain!
If Baylor hires Fuente (or if Fuente just leaves), Fuente only has to pay $1M for leaving the contract.
If VT fires Fuente, VT pays Fuente $12.5M
Could we potentially fire Fuente, have Baylor foot the buyout, and be richer if he really wants to leave? Sort of like a sign and trade in the NBA?
Probably not, but it would be cool.
I am not worried about what if fuente leaves at this point. With all this bullshit, the worse question is what if he stays?
Fuente would be fired with cause, so no buyout, that's as I understand it, but he'll take the Baylor job instead.
Have you read his contract?
It specifically enumerates "good cause." He hasn't violated any of them.
Contract link
There are no grounds to fire Fuente with cause.
It's been claimed on this site before that donors were willing to shell out to fire Fuente after the Duke game. I have serious doubts about the truth on that but if it is I wonder where the hell these people are when we need to hire. I'd much rather spend big money on a hire than a fire.
I know there's lots of endorsements, and he may be ready. But, there are other candidates out there, proven at the head coach level, and coordinators working under CEO head coaches. It's going to boil down to money, and what we can afford.
We can't and won't be able to afford that next big business deal. You need the passion and grit and dedication.
We could get him cheap. Could. Unless he asks for more than we can afford. I understand this is why the ODU job didn't happen.
Fickell, Healy, Clark, Napier, Fritz, Bienemy, Elliot, we could all get for a reasonable salary.
I'm more concerned about the staff that has been built over the last few weeks. We need some type of continuity, or confirmation of salaries.
Which is why Tracy Claeys will be the head coach for next year.
If we hire Shane are we going with the Clemson model and getting him top notch coordinators? I could get behind that otherwise no thanks.
I 100% endorse you on that. Why the hell not. Invest in the troops and the team instead of hiring some big talking heads that field 4 years of corny
Absolutely not. HE. COULD. NOT. GET. THE. ODU. JOB. The Shane truthers need to get their heads of their asses and realize that he's not ready to run a big-time college football program.
Let's get a few more wins on odu before we go knocking them that hard.
Good thing Kirk Herbstreit has assistants on set for ESPN College Football Live to get his head out his ass
First picture in my head is a confused Corso trying to shove his head in Herbies butt claiming VT over Clemson in the ACCCG.
See this man is a visionary.
I'm admittedly late to this thread, and the whole thing appears to be moot given Fu's tweet this morning, but this sentiment that 'Shane wasn't good enough for ODU so he's not good enough for us' has been bugging me. I've yet to see anyone lodge a complaint against Shane beyond this one.
Since when does Virginia Tech give a fuck about who ODU deems qualified to run a football program? At this point, it's about loyalty and having coaches who are bought in and engage the fan base. We can staff around him to make up for whatever actual coaching shortcomings you think he has, but the dude has competed for national championships at UGA and OU. The latter even thinks he's qualified enough to be Asst. Head Coach. We haven't even sniffed that level of success in that time frame. But if you think ODU's hiring decisions should be some sort of litmus test for who Tech needs to consider, maybe those of us who believe Shane would be a good option aren't the ones who need to work on the head from ass extraction.
It has the potential to be an amazing hire, or a hire that makes our entire program look like a bunch of nepotistic idiots if it goes poorly.
I'd only really be on board if we paid him a bottom half of the ACC salary and dumped the rest of the cash into the assistant budget.
Pay big for the people that actually strategize and game plan theory.
Recreate Alabama staff on a Virginia tech budget theory.
I'm a small business - you don't beat big businesses head on you have to be asymmetrical.
I dont see any upside to Shane. I'm sorry, I was never impressed with him as an assistant here, the whole thing with Wake Forest's beat reporter, and the fact that he's interviewed for multiplenHC jobs and not got them are all red flags.
Back after the Duke game, people said that there were donors ready to step in and buy out Fuente after the end of the season.
If we have access to that kind of money, then we need to get that kind of money and wave it in front of someone who is proven, who fits into Tech culture.
My whole family is all auburn alum except me. I flew the coop the VT.
This comment sounds like the same drum beat of auburn ever since they won a Natty and they actually cough up. We are just at current donation levels pretenders and even at auburn level doesn't guarantee anything.
No upside? Shane has coached with a bunch of amazing coaches including Kirby Smart, Lincoln Riley, Steve Spurrior, and of course Frank. Hell he even coached with the Giants current head coach Joe Judge when Judge was a GA at Mississippi State.
If he could get a staff that would include someone that could run Lincoln's Offense with Kirby's defense, it doesn't get much better than that.
Shane can recruit. When Fuente won, he won with a bunch of guys Shane helped recruit. I'm sure he would surround himself with great recruiters.
He also knows the infrastructure of Oklahoma, Georgia. He could bring some of that with him.
I'm all for a CEO type.
Right? How often do you get a chance at a guy like this that would also probably stick around for 20+ years? Figure it out people. This is that golden opportunity. Don't fuck it up.
You're making the dangerous assumption that just because he worked with these people that he suddenly becomes these people. Matt Patricia worked for 14 years under Bill Belichick and you see how that's going
No. I'm saying that the biggest responsibility of the head coach is to surround himself with an excellent staff.
I think Shane has connections to some of the best coaching staffs today and can pull some of them to be part of his own staff.
Doesn't mean it will work, but it has potential to be really good. It will be pretty sink or swim, but I think it will swim solely because those staffs are extremely well respected and know how to build a team and culture.
For those who are wondering: Passion creates cash, cash does not create passion.
The Shane Train is comin
Chooo choooooo
TOOT TOOOOT!!!!
Shane gonna make it rain!!!!
Mark my words not hiring Shane would go down as one of the top 3 worst decisions in athletics history at Virginia tech- alongside not hiring bud as HC and not offering steph curry a scholarship for basketball
If his last name were anything else he wouldn't sniff the job, pass.
So break out the strobe lights and lets be Club Lit, right?
" Oklahoma assistant Shane Beamer needs stitches after head-butt TD celebration"
This is a man of the people.
Stay with me for just a moment here. Look at the pay disparity in head coach versus assistant coaches in general. I think the best difference in has versus has nots is the long tail of the organization. The assistants and staff. If you have a finite budget optimize it. Stop wishing for what we don't have.
It's 2020 people let's catch up and be trend setters instead of pretenders and followers.
I have no idea what point you're trying to make out of that word salad.
Haha. It was a bit of fun. To be frank, I think getting a group of dedicated guys that are focused with a narrative around the hires would be good, and tactically reducing expenditures on head coach to open up expanding assistants and improving support org quality would be extremely meaningful. We aren't a bottomless bank and I think org building is the best thing we could do
I think you can do that with a good HC at the G5 level or a lower P5 school.
I just don't think *Shane* is ready to be the coach at VT and I think it would be a really poor decision (on both sides!) for him to cut his teeth at Tech.
Hate to break it too you but we are a lower P5 team. I know it is painful to accept but we are not one of the big boys anymore (if we ever were)
They are saying we can underpay Shane and pour money into assistants.
Where else has that worked besides Clemson?
We don't have Clemson's budget (or a mega-church laundering money to players), so I don't know why we should attempt that model.
You mean the head guy not taking all the cash and sucking the life out of the place and then leaving and instead investing in people and culture? there are plenty of business precedents. Real CEOs are about equity not cash. As a head coach that means build a brand not be a mercenary.
Shane can at least drum up some excitement, has some personality, and gets it. I'm warming on the idea quickly, given available options.
Thought our last memory of shane was the wake forest debacle
Time has passed. I've grown a lot in the last 6 years too.
My lasting memory of him at VT was him kicking ass in a bowl game as HC
He does have as many bowl wins as Fuente, if I'm not mistaken.
A common complaint I've seen on here is that Fuente seems to be "learning on the job"... but we want to hire Shane as head coach now?
Yikes.
He's learning the ropes of Power 5 ball. Shane has been around Power 5 ball his ENTIRE life.
So has Charlie Weis Jr. In fact he's even been hired to be an OC now but people would pitch a shit fit if we hired him as HC.
Charlie Weis JR. Is by all accounts a football savant. He needs some more seasoning before he gets to head coach status.
His arrow is pointing up. Well respected by Sabans staff when he was there.
Who do you propose shake? Increase donations by 20mm and hire swinney I'm guessing ?
My opinion will carry zero weight and I had not given it serious thought as this whole ordeal was unexpected. That said, Swinney is obviously completely unrealistic. Same for any NFL coach or Urban Meyer. I don't have a specific name in mind but realistic candidates I'd think might be considered include:
- Mike Houston
- Tony Elliott
- Dave Clawson
- Jim McElwain
- Will Healy
- Bill ClarK
I could get on board the Shane Train. I thought he was absurdly blamed for things while he was here that were not his fault. I'm not ready to say he is the best option, but he might be.
I'm not a fan of nepotism. Evaluate the resumes objectively and take the best candidate. I look at Shane's resume and I see a lot of nepotism inflating people's evaluations of it. Because if he was named Shane Smith, former Wisconsin player, and had the exact same resume, I highly doubt he'd even be on anyone's radar in these threads as a HC candidate, at least not as enthusiastically near the top as some are indicating. Just because his last name is Beamer doesn't mean you're gonna get to relive the highs from Frank.
There are better options that should get calls first.
Not really about his name. If he was just a former VT player who was AHC under Frank, then went to learn under Kirby Smart, then went and learned under Lincoln Riley as AHC, we'd welcome him home with open arms. I almost feel his name is underscoring his resume.
Dabo was never more than an AHC.
I was about to type the same thing.
Being on the staff doesn't mean he's gaining points in an RPG game to level up. Just because you're with a name doesn't mean you are a name. There's more to it than that. Plus, everyone keeps bring that up as one of his best qualities. If being with other people is your best quality, that says a lot. Don't tell me who you served with, tell me what you've done.
And please, save me the Dabo deal. That coaching debate point should be retired at this point. Dabo is a generational coach. You're not just gonna keep picking positional coaches with little experience and watch them all build elite programs.
At the same time, I don't think some of the greatest minds in college football are just hiring him because they like his dad.
Umm, If Lincoln Riley, Steve Spurrier, Sylvester Croom, Kirby Smart all think you are good enough for them (and you stick with them/are not fired) I think that says something. This isn't Beamer keeping on coaches out of loyalty, these are some teams that were actually in the running for a natty - everyone has to pull their weight.
Not only is he on some great staffs that are at the level of program we want to be, but he's been entrusted to fully run his current team if Lincoln Riley were ever to have be away from his team.
And you just want to brush it off?
No one can say it is going to be a slam dunk hire, because of the unknown.
It could definitely be a hell of a lot worse though, especially while searching for a new head coach this late in a cycle.
I tend to agree... but if we could avoid the dumpster fire that seems to be blazing. Could it work? Shane might be able to hold onto some of the defensive coaches, then use some leftover money to hire a high quality OC and keep us on track.
Even if he gone in a few years and was not the best HC, there is a chance we can maintain a level trajectory. Of course, I am not satisfied with mediocrity but after Fuente's buyout? Is there a better option?
Otherwise, holeee moleee. Not sure I like where we end up.
Part of coaching is being a good fit, and part of that is where you go to school and your ties to it. It isn't just all resume and wins/losses.
If Daryll Tapp was Daryll Popp, wouldn't we all be pissed with that hire? Or even more so, if Justin Hamilton was Justin Burr wouldn't we be pissed we just hired a guy with very little experience to follow the footsteps of the best DC in the last decade? Or would we be still pissed because Beamer hired lazily and brought on a kid from Murray St. to work on his defensive staff named Bud Weiser? Are we sure they were the best candidate out there? I am not old enough to remember, but I know that Frank Beamer was not the best candidate in 1986, but look how that turned out.
Every school does this sometimes with experience, sometimes not - from Dre Bly, Jim Harbaugh, Gundy, Fitzgerald, Frost, Chryst, Sitake, and the list goes on and on and on.
And to switch to shooty hoops - what experience did Juwan Howard, Patrick Ewing, or Penny Hardaway really have to land a blue blood/ top tier head coaching job???
The whole point is this, the best candidate may not be the best fit (see Fuente, Justin) and can cause issues.
Please hire someone named BUD WEISER!
Hire someone who really really wants to be a hokie. That's a good starting point.
I'll bet Shane passed that test. Hell, look at mike young. I don't follow basketball super close but I just got this gist he wants to be here.
Read more about Louisiana culture and orgeron. The Cajuns never thought someone was just going to come in from out of state and save them. They wanted a Louisiana man that loved his state to build something.
You can't fake passion and grit. Culture building is extremely important.
do we still want to just hire shane beamer and be done with it or
What about Shane for offensive coordinator? Just an idea. I wouldn't mind it. He gets to learn from a (supposed) "QB guru." Brings knowledge of legit offense from Lincoln Riley. If he doesn't cut it, can't be much worse than Corny and then we know he may not be good enough to be Head Whistle some day. If he does cut it, well, then we have Head Whistle in waiting for when Fuente leaves for Western Oklahoma State
Ready to fend off the pitchforks with a glove on a stick.