I never really had any opinion of Flacco until he got a HUGE raise...then I started thinking he was an entitled little....well anyway..this just makes me dislike him even more
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You're mad why exactly? Because it's Tyrod running the wildcat?
Unfortunately, Flacco is right. The wildcat is a fad, and it doesn't work in the NFL game, as we see time and time again. It's only effective very rarely as a changeup in a short-yardage situation, and really doesn't generate any more offense (typically much less), than a traditional NFL offense.
Let the reigning superbowl MVP have the ball, I think he's entitled to that.
No I'm mad more because of his arrogance. He's all about him and what he wants. He even said that he won't block. I remember watching one play where he was lined up as a receiver and he did his best Marcus Davis impression. It annoys me because he doesn't want to go all in for the team. He might have a point, and I realize that TT is his backup, but it's not about that. It's about his pure sense of entitlement.
I sure as heck wouldn't want my 100 million dollar quarterback blocking on a three yard run up the middle.
It's a waste of talent, and an unnecessary risk to an important investment. It's not like they're throwing wide receiver screens to the outside with Joe split out wide.
I think the Ravens are wasting their money more than Flacco's 'talent' as you suggest. He's not a dumpster fire type of QB like Brady Quinn or somebody like that, but he sure as hell isn't worth $100M
I tend to agree with you. When he commented, "Im the quarterback. I want to be behind the line of scrimmage," he sounds like an entitled little prat. It's good to be a gamer and a leader, but be careful with how you phrase things.
It is technically a Wildcat package because Flacco is still in the game and Tyrod did split out wide and catch a pass, if I remember correctly. Tyrod adds a different dimension that most defenses do not prepare for during the week. But if anything, they're doing Flacco a favor leaving him on the field and creating this illusion; in essence, they could have benched Flacco for a few plays or a drive to accomplish the same goal of sparking the offense. That would have gone over like fart in church, given Flacco's reaction to what actually transpired.
Hey dude, if you want to take all of the snaps under center, start producing like you are expected to. Otherwise, shut your mouth and do what's best for the team. Christ, I'm not even a Ravens fan...
I'm not a Ravens fan either- but most of my family is, and as such I'm forced to follow the team in order to deal with their massive overreactions (Ravens fans like to think the sky is falling down if they lose two games in a row).
Joe Flacco right now is playing with a team of has-runs and nobodies. Their line is like a sieve, I hesitate to say it may be worse than the Redskins line (and as a Redskins fan, that's saying something). Sure, Ray Rice is a good running back, but he is forced to dodge roughly two defenders every play in the backfield. They have one good receiver, because I'm sorry, Jacoby Jones is a return man, and he's been hurt half the season. Their best tight end is Dallas Clark, who dropped off the face of the Earth when Manning left Indy.
And yet, they're still better than the Redskins. Kind of depressing, really.
But anyone who thinks that this down season for the Ravens is because of the quarterback, hasn't been watching the team enough to understand it.
their down season IS because of the the QB..maybe not his play directly, but the fact that he negotiated such a Monster deal with the Ravens, now they can't afford to have anybody but the bunch of 'has-runs' and 'nobodies' that you allude to. If he was being paid about what he was worth the team would be able to bring in a better supporting cast and right the ship. Flacco's selfishness got them to where they are. I'm not trying to say he's bad like Jason Cambell, he's just a money sucking self-centered childish QB who cares about nothing but himself. THAT's why I don't like him.
I love to trash Flacco because he's an average QB that Ravens fans think is incredible, but his contract only counts about $6 million against the cap this year. The Ravens weren't very good last year either, they just got really lucky and got hot at the right time. It's like the Giants. Sure they won 2 SB's, but in the years they didn't win they weren't very good (save the 13-3 season when Plaxico got suspended). They just got hot at the right time.
I would actually argue the previous 4 Ravens teams were all better than last years team.
Flacco's money-sucking self-centered childish contract costs less against the cap than Terrel Suggs' contract or Heloti Ngata's contract by a lot.
He's not even the most "damaging" player in terms of cap space on the team. How many other high paid QBs are the fourth largest cap hits on their teams?
Flacco makes me want to stab my eyes sometimes, but like other people are saying, he's far from the problem. The big difference between this year's offense and last is the absense of Pitta. He is a solid player and one of Flacco's favorite targets so with him and Boldin gone, Flacco doesn't have much to work with. Nice surprise to see the defense back to be great.
HAHA, have you ever lived in Philly or NYC? You don't understand massive overreactions until you deal with those fans...
I'm a Washington Redskins fan. I know what massive overreactions are, they happen every offseason.
Agreed. I like to listen to 97.5 streamed through my phone on the way to work out here, and sometimes even I am like "Man these Eagles fans are crazy....oh wait"
Amen. I listen to the Fanatic pretty regularly and between the Phils, Birds, and Flyers fans (Sixer fans are just happy they're still in Philly) its a rollercoaster.
Philly fans are the worst.
Joe Flacco is the highest paid player in the NFL.
Every time I read that I think I have crossed into the Twilight Zone or there is a punch-line coming. If i was a Raven's fan I'd be depressed. That albatross of a contract is going to prevent them from getting better for years to come.
After taxes the highest paid player is Tony Romo.
YAY TEXAS INCOME TAXES!
Not a fan of the Ravens. They are getting exactly what they asked for by giving an average QB one of the largest contracts in the NFL. His contract shouldn't even be in the same discussion as Peyton's, Brady, Rodgers, and Brees.
Flacco has a SB ring, well so does Trent Dilfer.
The size of the contract has nothing to do with it. The salary cap hit is what's important, and by comparison, Flacco's contract doesn't even come close to the top 10.
You want to talk about "average" QBs getting overpaid? Look at this list:
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For your information, Flacco's cap hit is roughly 6.8 million. Or half that of Sam Bradford's or Mark Sanchez's contracts.
Yeah, but you can only play with salary cap limits for so long. He might have had a low impact this year, but what is he next year, etc.
Boldin is gone partially as they can't afford the impacts from a couple big contracts in future years.
If his contract remains the same and no one else gets a raise, he will break into the top 10 in 2016 for the first time, and will catapult to the top of the list.
That being said, if you know anything about how the NFL works, that won't actually be the case by the time 2016 rolls around.
After graduating from VT, I lived with a couple of friends about 5 minutes off the University of Delaware campus and paid attention to him while he was there. Was rooting for him to do well then, but my opinion of him has changed quite a bit as well, in the negative direction.
I'm not gonna knock him for taking a huge deal. I say if someone is going to pay you the money, you take the money. But I had so many arguments with my Ravens friends (I am a Eagle fan myself), that his contract was way more than he was worth, was based on one postseason run, and would damage the franchise moving forward.
Seems to be going that direction. That team is a shell of itself right now.
Lol, I hear this argument all the time. Say what you want, but Joe Flacco just wins games. And when you get down to it, what else matters?
It's a fairly reasonable argument that the cost of this contract will hurt the team in the long term. We are already seeing it happen this year. Ravens had limited flexibility and lost a lot of leadership on that defense for one, and as far as the "he just wins games", to this point he has lost more games than he has won this year, and the #s are UGLY in those losses.
He is not a Tom Brady, Aaron Rodgers, Drew Brees, Peyton Manning type of player.
You're right. Only Brady, Rodgers, Brees, and Manning are those type of players. Unfortunately, there's 28 other teams that need quarterbacks, and I'd easily put Flacco in the top ten.
I 100% agree. A large part of any starting QBs market value in the NFL is that their simply arn't enough quality starters to go around. So in that regards, they are "worth" whatever the team is willing to pay.
But in terms of actual performance, contracts in sports should be based on "What will you do for me", not "What have you done for me" (For example, the Lakers signing Kobe Bryant to a $48 million extension just a few days ago in the twilight to say the least of his career).
In that light, this year Flacco has not been worth his contract. Not saying he won't be int he future, but he rode 1 magic postseason to a mega-deal (and I am not saying he shouldn't have, if someone put a contract with that money in front of me I would sign it post haste)
See my other posts. The important little bit of Flacco's contract, the salary cap hit, which is all that really matters to the teams, is 6.8 million dollars. Seems like a lot right? That doesn't even get him close to being in the top 10 of QB contracts this year, a ranking occupied by fearsome and vaunted QBs like Mark Sanchez (at #8, 12.8 million dollars), or Sam Bradford (#9, 12.6 million dollars).
Flacco's contract is a steal for the Ravens.
This year its $6.8 million. Here are the remaining years of the deal:
2014 - $14.8M
2015 - $28.5M
2016 - $31.1M
2017 - $24.7M
Now, the likelihood that doesn't get restructured at some point might be slim. However, it also 1) Prevents the Ravens from trying to find their "QB of the future" if Flacco does not pan out as elite because you simply can not afford to put so much money into 1 position and 2) It really handcuffs them attracting talented players that are looking for multi year deals.
So it might be a "steal" for this season specifically, and good thing too because he is playing average at best. Gotta love that his QBR has gone down from 2010 to 2011, and then from 2011 to 2012, and yet he is one of the highest paid QBs in the whole league.
It'll be restructured - you can count on that. And the way the league is going, he still won't break the top 10 until 2016, and that's assuming no other top QB gets a new contract.
You need to understand that the 100 million (which you're basing the highest paid QB thing off of) doesn't matter squat to NFL teams. That's why they pay these guys so much. The NFL and the teams make billions of dollars. The only thing that matters to them is how much it affects the salary cap, because that's the only thing that limits their spending. And as I've said frequently, Joe Flacco doesn't even reach the top 10 among QB's in the league until 2016, if absolutely nothing changes between then, which is pretty much impossible.
Having a enough salary flexability to sign other quality players?
Traditionally, the Ravens don't go this route though. They build the team almost exclusively through the draft. This year was the first year in their (albeit very short) history, that they traded for someone during a season.
I'll agree on the point that if someone offers you money, you should take it. But before he won the superbowl (on the heels of the defense I might add) he wanted to be grouped together with elite QB's like T.Brady and P.Manning and I'm not sure if he's that good. I also agree that the Ravens really screwed themselves by paying him that much money. But you have to think, that deal was negotiated by his agent who is employed and directed by Flacco himself. So it's not like he was sitting at home one day and the Ravens front office called and said "hey, just so you know, we're thinking of paying you more than any other player has ever been paid in the history of the league" He had to have some sort of influence on it. The same time that Flacco was getting his monster raise, T.Brady was taking a pay cut to try keeping some talent around him. What happened to the Ravens after Flacco's huge raise? Attrition. Ray Lewis was going to retire way before the raise ever happened, but I have to think that some of the other players who are no longer there couldn't be paid by the Ravens because of Flaccos contract. The Ravens effectively took themselves out of competition for any kind of titles. I think it will be a looong time before they're relevant again.
Flacco kept this year's cap hit for his contract low so that they could improve the team. Remember, in the NFL all that matters is the cap space, not the numbers on the front of the contract.
Joe Flacco, the QB everyone is convinced is killing the team with his huge contract, has the 4th largest cap hit on the team.
See here.
Edit: By comparison, the altruistic Tom Brady, as you mentioned, has the largest cap hit on the Patriots team (which is fine, he's obviously their most valuable player). It's also roughly twice as much as Joe Flacco's.
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He's just mad because he doesn't get the chance to throw another interception. I mean come on guys he is overrated and not worth the 120 mil he got. Its so obvious this season. CRY BABYYYYY
I think Tyrod deserves to quarterback his own team.
I agree that the wildcat is stupid. Big Ben said something similar a couple weeks ago. It gets the offense out of their rhythm. I can see it being useful after a couple 3 and outs, but when you're driving you shouldn't be changing it up like that.
How about playing Tyrod the way you would play Flacco??
I'm half-jokingly ripping off 3rdand31 of course, but I think he is good enough to put in a few series and provide a spark like that if needed instead of using the wildcat.
The salary cap impact is an interesting point, but don't cloud the issue with hard facts. I'm a fan, but the team dynamic and culture changed completely with the combination of Flacco's contract and the retirement of Lewis. IMO keeping Anquan Boldin another year would have helped as a transition and been worth it.
The biggest mistake the team made was trading Boldin. They had the money to keep him, as well. I'm not really sure why they did it, but their offense is anemic with only 1 quality receiver.
penny wise pound foolish; bad decision.
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I'm not sure what this has to do with Virginia Tech football if anything? TMO isn't going to get into the game as long as Flacco is healthy.
Tyrod for QB!!!!!
It's not that I really have anything against Flacco, but I do find myself wishing moderate bodily harm on the guy every time I see him play. Nothing too serious, but just enough so I can see Tyrod.
And that right there is pretty much the only reason I watch the Ravens...just for that chance.
pre-season around here is always fun, except Tyrod does gets hurt himself often enough.
Wait, a starting QB wants to play QB instead of WR? Stop the presses! He's getting paid millions to do his job, so let him do his thing. As a Ravens fan, I can't say I am thrilled with the offensive performance this year, but I will not, or ever, be on the Flacco hating train. The dude isn't a pompous asshole who gets in trouble with the law or is locker room cancer, he is just voicing his honest opinion during an interview. You wonder why Frank and other use so much coach speak. Or Belichick says about 18 words per interview. It's because as soon as you say something 'controversial' like this you have guys calling him things like selfish and entitled.
On a separate note, I do not blame the offensive troubles on Flacco. Losing Boldin to the 49ers, Pitta being out all season, and Jacoby injured for a few weeks forced them to start an undrafted rookie WR for multiple weeks. Ray Rice has been injured. The zone blocking scheme brought over this year by Juan Castillo has been horrific. Flacco is frustrated about how the season has played out and doesn't want to see his offense turn into a gimmick.
Go Colts.