"Electric" TreVeyon Henderson discusses Virginia Tech Visit

The Hokies had a chance to impress a blue-chip Virginia running back.

[TreVeyon Henderson]

Everyone went right, so he went left. An 80-yard touchdown run snapped Dinwiddie's 32-game regular season winning streak. That's when Hopewell football coach Ricky Irby knew TreVeyon Henderson had next-level potential.

"Wow, him with the ball in his hands, he's just ... electric," said Irby.

In the weeks leading up to that game in 2018, the then-sophomore nudged Irby for an opportunity to carry the ball. In his mind his future was at running back. He's explosive, fond of scoring touchdowns and making defenders miss, but Henderson had been slotted at wide receiver and defensive back for most of his high school career. A depleted running back platoon provided him his chance.

"The game before that, all of our running backs went down," said Henderson. "They had no choice but to put me in the backfield."

The 4th quarter housecall from the wildcat broke a 0-0 tie and secured a victory.

"I knew it would be a little cutback when I saw everybody flowing to the right," said Henderson.

Now premier programs across the country covet the 5-11, 195 pound Virginia Gatorade player of the year, who rushed for 1,989 yards and 39 touchdowns on 157 carries (12.7 YPC, .25 touchdowns per carry) last season.

"His speed is top-notch," said Irby. "He won the 55 meters for the state track meet. His work ethic is unbelievable. His ability to jump cut and to move laterally, and then accelerate and get back to full speed, obviously you can't teach that as a coach, it's unreal. His vision has gotten better. He hadn't had a lot of carries at running back. He's still learning the position at the high school level this year, as the season went on you could see how much better his instincts and vision got."

He quickly grasped how to find the fold on inside and outside zones, a bread and butter package in Hopewell's (and the Hokies') run attack, but it took a bit more time to understand the nuance and patience of letting a counter run develop.

"He was always a little too quick to the hole at first, so we had to slow him down," said Irby. "Then once he figured out how to take that counter step and let his pullers get over there he would score most of the time he touched the ball."

The No. 2 running back nationally per the 247Sports Composite (0.9888, 5-star) released a top 9 of Virginia, Virginia Tech, Georgia, Texas, Ohio State, North Carolina, Penn State, Michigan and Oklahoma. The Hokies were fortunate enough to host him on an unofficial visit prior COVID-19 induced recruiting dead period which bars in-person recruiting until at least April 15.

Henderson was welcomed to Blacksburg by a bevy of signs and high-touch treatment from the Virginia Tech staff.

"I had never seen anything like it," said Henderson. "Virginia Tech fans show a lot of love. It was fun getting to see that, and knowing how much me being on their campus means to them."

It was all hands on deck for the Hokies, but the staff made it a point to connect Henderson with its three standout alumni on staff, to stress what he could accomplish at "home".

"As soon as we got there, it felt like the entire football staff, secretaries, everybody was there, strength and conditioning guys, to greet us at the Merryman Center," said Irby. "It was a really good visit. He got to sit down, a little round robin discussion with Darryl Tapp, Justin Hamilton, and Pierson Prioleau."

According to Irby, the Hokies' emphasized he could be "a homerun hitter" at Tech, someone who "stays in-state and becomes a legend", and "an impact player and not just another 5-star".

Naturally, for the straight-A high school student, and planned finance major, academics are important. The trip included a stop at the Pamplin College of Business which Henderson said was a "great business school".

Beyond his education, he's looking for a program that sets him up for life after football and a sincere connection with a coaching staff. As far as relationships are concerned, he noted Ohio State, Oklahoma, and Virginia lead the way.

He said of the Hokies, "They're definitely putting together something special. They're doing great things. They got a bunch of good players. They're a young team, so they should be pretty good this year though."

The results on Saturday matter for the rising senior too.

"I want to compete for a national championship," said Henderson. "I want to be part of a winning team. I want to win. I like to win, I don't like to lose."

And even though he's still going through the process, a commitment might catch recruitniks by surprise.

"I don't have a specific date because a lot of recruits are committing so early nowadays, and spots are getting filled up," said Henderson. "I'm still doing my research right now, but a commitment could come at any time though."

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Really REALLY hope we land this guy and other VA blue chippers in the 2021 class. Program elevating talent

"Why gobble gobble chumps asks such good questions, I will never know." - TheFifthFuller

i had a dream last night that we landed DD, Henderson, Grimes, Leigh, Neville, J. Hollifield, and Watson. That one was hard to wake up from.

TIL you dream about 18 year old boys and struggle with reality when you wake up

King Alum of the House Hokie, the First of His Name, Khal of the Turkey Legs, The rightful Heir to the Big Board, the Unbanned, Breaker of Trolls and Father of Gritty

they're juniors, so probably not even 18 yet 😱

"Why gobble gobble chumps asks such good questions, I will never know." - TheFifthFuller

King Alum of the House Hokie, the First of His Name, Khal of the Turkey Legs, The rightful Heir to the Big Board, the Unbanned, Breaker of Trolls and Father of Gritty

it ain't eazy bein sleazy

What version of NCAA football were you playing in this dream?

How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Love the Jet Sweep

I hope it's not a dream, but when he makes comment like "I want to win a National Championship" it seems he is saying "Clemson" or a power SEC team (Alabama/LSU..) not Tech.... :-(

Bruce Smith needs to talk with him about becoming a VA legend.

I hope he proves me wrong.

FWIW he didn't have Clemson in his top teams

Vroom Vroom

But it did include lolUVA which kind of made my head hurt.....he does understand the difference between national championship in football and national championship in basketball, right?

The LewDew, Professional Golf Bum

I don't know the difference because we don't have either...

Ohio state

Recruit Prosim

Shades of David Wilson. Follow up question to ask: how's his rabbit catching skill?

Or his outside Cassell wall climbing skill

How is he at climbing the Cassell?

Never Forget #1 Overall Seed UVA 54, #64 UMBC 74

He's got nothing on David Wilson - at least in this regard

Username check out.

Great article, Joe. Nice hearing directly from the recruit about the visit.
That recruiting analytics video with mph was really sweet as well.

The reincarnation of David Wilson.

Speed, vision, strength. Out of all the 2021 guys he's the one that has the most to offer his first year on campus.

It'll be tough for Tech to get this one against Ohio State and Georgia, who have a great history of developing those hybrid RB/slot guys. Worth keeping an eye on though.

This kid is the next David Wilson.

As far as relationships are concerned, he noted Ohio State, Oklahoma, and Virginia lead the way.

Is coronavirus over yet?

Just putting them on the hook:

come home TREVEYON

Hokies, Local Soccer, AFC Ajax, Ravens

Who is #6 (might be #8, hard to tell) in that second clip? He looks even faster.

Can we tweet at @4stillrunnning to tweet at TreVeyon? Asking for a friend.

Comparing this kid to David Wilson is selling his talent a bit short, which isn't a knock on Wilson, but more of a testament to what an amazing prospect Henderson is as a 5-star RB.

Henderson already runs a 6.48 55m time which, after checking every possible conversion calculator, roughly equates to a legit 4.3 40yd dash. During his draft combine, Wilson logged a 4.49, which is fast but not blazing speed.

Factor in that Henderson has a bigger frame (2" taller) and is already 195lbs, meaning he can definitely put on additional weight/strength.

IMO, Henderson resembles another great VT RB... Kevin Jones, who had a similar frame, measured out at 6'0 and 220lbs, and was a top rated 5-star prospect. Oh, and KJ also ran a 4.3.

I think we can all agree that getting the next KJ in this system with this OL and the packed QB room and... excuse me while I go 'socially distance' myself while watching KJ's old VT highlights.

Henderson already runs a 6.48 55m time which, after checking every possible conversion calculator, roughly equates to a legit 4.3 40yd dash. During his draft combine, Wilson logged a 4.49, which is fast but not blazing speed.

Quick math check here. You can't just scale seconds/yard and get a 40 time. 40s are about burst off the line. Unless you're a lineman or a large line backer, you are probably going to average better over 55m than you are 40 yards.

Anecdote: I ran track and played soccer and the best 40 time I ever clocked was 4.45. But my last ten yards were significantly faster than my first ten. There were guys with faster 40 times where I was making up ground as we crossed the line. I never ran the 55m, but I would wager that I could pull my average down over that extra 15 yards and make my "40 time" (as you calculated it) look a lot better than reality.

TL;DR- the kid is fast, but no need to disparage Wilson by using fuzzy math

Warning: this post occasionally contains strong language (which may be unsuitable for children), unusual humor (which may be unsuitable for adults), and advanced mathematics (which may be unsuitable for liberal-arts majors)..

The kid that escorts him to the end zone in the second clip is pretty dadgum lickety-split in his own right.

Leonard. Duh.

No way he chooses us with that offer list but it is nice to dream

I can imagine no more rewarding a career. And any man who may be asked in this century what he did to make his life worthwhile, I think can respond with a good deal of pride and satisfaction:
β€œI served in the United States Navy"

KCCO

Been saying for weeks, I'm cautiously optimistic, but watching what the other recruits do will be important as well. Campbell is in this class. Let's say he commits to us, and Henderson goes elsewhere. Or, we don't get Campbell, and but whiff completely on Henderson. I'm just saying, for arguments sake, no inside sauces.

Him, Double D, and Grimes have been active w/ each other on Twitter. Gives me hope.

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OSU Mod on 247 seems to think Henderson commits to OSU within the next week. Long way to go, but if "crystal balls" mean anything, he may be right.

Why put out a top 9 then commit the very next week?

It's an illusion
It's all an illusion


Guess we will find out soon enough, if what they are saying is true.

is it sad that I know exactly which episode of Gilmore Girls this Gif was generated from?

It is. And I blame my wife...

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Teenagers + unprecedented circumstances can equal some strange stuff. Ohio State's dead period momentum has been pretty nuts so far.

...You don't really even need the unprecedented circumstances for the logic of teenagers to be confusing.

The part about spots filling up should stick out here.

The numbers always work out, especially for ***** players. I wouldn't think that would mean much for him.

"If you don't have time to do it right, when will you have time to do it over?"

Not at the Ohio States of the world.

Not going to get Campbell

Recruit Prosim

Now finish up them taters; I'm gonna go fondle my sweaters.

I almost posted this as well but Sermon is a 1 year grad transfer so it shouldn't really affect Henderson's recruitment.

Joffrey, Cersei, Ilyn Payne, the Hound, Jeff Jagodzinski, Paul Johnson, Pat Narduzzi.

you'd think πŸ€·β€β™‚οΈ but it's probably in Treveyon's best interest not to redshirt, and it's probably in his best interest to get significant snaps as a true freshman. Difficult for anOSU to promise that with any sort of credibility now

"Why gobble gobble chumps asks such good questions, I will never know." - TheFifthFuller

TreVeyon is in the class of 2021 so Sermon will be gone.

Joffrey, Cersei, Ilyn Payne, the Hound, Jeff Jagodzinski, Paul Johnson, Pat Narduzzi.

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welp

"Why gobble gobble chumps asks such good questions, I will never know." - TheFifthFuller

Yeah, if anything this tells Henderson that OSU isn't taking a freshman who will be a year ahead of him.

Dang it. I want to have nice things.

Seems Rivals think VT may still hold onto him, eventhough there have been 3 CBS to OSU today.

He also retweeted a tweet by Gene Chizik that choosing the right road, not the popular road, can be difficult for young people. And that the right road always beats the popular road.

I like to think we are the right road, not the popular one here. So guess we'll see.

Previously LowBrau.

I hate to say it, but stay home could be the popular road, popular with friends and family, but going to a powerhouse is the "right" road

Ugh...OSU is the worst...that could have been a game changer. Unfortunate

Sean

He's a 5 star kid from Virginia. He probably saw ODU smash us in person 2 years ago. Ohio State, Alabama, Penn State don't lose those types of games. Clemson doesn't lose to Furman, nor does Clemson play at Furmans 20K seat stadium. VT has not projected "big time" in the 757 in a while, and the loss to ODU was icing on the cake. Getting smashed by Duke football never helps recruiting momentum either. If we start winning more- and beating Penn State would be a great start, we will be in better position for these guys.

Not really but keep thinking so. Tech best anOSU didn't help with recruiting Tech went to a NC game didn't help with recruiting. Tech has FOUR 5 ⭐️ the entire modern era meanwhile anOSU has 3 this class alone. Tech lost to JMU an FCS team and recruited about the same level they always have. It's not about winning individual games. The ceiling is 20-30 for classes here and we need to learn to accept that.

Wet stuff on the red stuff.

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Not individual games, but I think consistently winning and winning on the national stage can really elevate a program. Although we won a lot 2004-2011, most times we fell flat on the big stage and in bowls, and I think several years of that eventually hurt the perception of VT in state. I also think our recruiting under Beamer was somewhat underrated back in the day because of how recruiting has changed and become nationalized. I mean for Vick who was a top 2-3 player in VA, we beat out Syracuse and East Carolina for him. Ryan Williams was between us and BC, for instance. That's just not going to be the case anymore.

If we are consistently winning and winning on the national stage then I say we would have already solved our recruiting puzzle.

"If you don't have time to do it right, when will you have time to do it over?"

The individual wins/losses are not the be all end all. I agree with that completely. However, I'd like to push back on some of these counter examples.

When we beat anOSU on the road in the second game of the season we were hot... for only a few moments. We turned around and immediately lost to ECU before finishing 7-6. I think the momentum of beating OSU helps us on the trail selling a return to the top if we finish 9-3 or 10-2 instead of 7-6.

When we lost to JMU we won 11 straight games, won the ACC, had the ACCPOY, and played our most exciting offensive football of the 2000's.

When we lost to ODU we went on to have the worst VT season of my lifetime including multiple blowout losses.

I don't think those seasons are good comparisons at all.

It's not about winning individual games.

I agree, right now it's about the trend. It's not any one win or loss, but in this case it's a multitude of losses. And the brand, or lack thereof, is unfortunately a reflection of that (downward) trend. Hokies need to figure out what their niche is, and run through the wall at it.

^^ This right here. The current brand is one of a team that was nationally relevant a generation ago, and is a borderline G-5 level team currently. Kinda like Colorado.

Is this Fireman saying Fuente won't be able to croot the blue chippers??

I just sit on my couch and b*tch. - HokieChemE2016

No. Blue chip recruits include 4-Star and 5-Star recruits. This Fireman's comment enveloped the modern history of the program and discusses 5-Star recruits only.

Fuente's lowering that ceiling one recruiting class at a time.

Actually Fuente raised the ceiling lowering classes that were the last 4 years under Beamer until this past awful class.

Wet stuff on the red stuff.

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crootin under Fu has been a mixed bag at best. all over the place, and the misses are as frustrating as the wins are are exciting.

"Why gobble gobble chumps asks such good questions, I will never know." - TheFifthFuller

2012: 21st (per 247)
2013: 21st
2014: 28th
2015: 29th
2016: 42nd
2017: 26th
2018: 24th
2019: 26th
2020: 72nd
2021: 36th

1) Fuente's recruiting classes fit right in with what Beamer did. Those kids that were so bad Fuente inherited got him the contract extension and untouchable buyout.

2) The trend line is pointing downward.

point probably still stands, but it's not really reasonable to include 2021 at this point

"Why gobble gobble chumps asks such good questions, I will never know." - TheFifthFuller

Frank Beamer... VT Head Coach 2012-2015.. Saw it on Wiki

You are the only person on earth to justify ODU. It's awesome. and we just signed the 72nd ranked class. Keep Whistling

Except Fireman didn't "justify" ODU. He's saying the ODU loss in a vacuum has very little, if anything, to do with our failure to secure Henderson's commitment- and I agree with him. The ODU loss was terrible and there's no doubt it's a negative, but it's not the singular stain holding the program back while every other facet is sunshine and rainbows. That's what Fireman is getting at.

You are the one that brought up ODU and the 757 when Henderson isn't even from the area and there's zero evidence he attended the game or that result was a factor in his decision.

Joffrey, Cersei, Ilyn Payne, the Hound, Jeff Jagodzinski, Paul Johnson, Pat Narduzzi.

Why do we play ODU? Is it because we want recruits in the area to see Va Tech? Hopewell is 77 miles away. a little over an hour- you think this will keep a recruit away?. I hate seeing Va. Tech play ODU or LIberty or JMU. Henderson wanted to play for a National Championship- not a team that struggles with ODU, Furhman and the likes. We were way over our skies thinking he was coming to tech. We can't sniff a coastal crown, and there is Clemson down the road if we get there. This guy was playing the aces he was dealt-and going to a blue blood.

We've had the discussion on scheduling before but I'll give an overview as far as I understand it. There are essentially 3 tiers of opponents to play:
1) P5 opponents. These are always going to be home-and-away arrangements or neutral sites games. As we've seen with the planned Wisconsin and Michigan series, you can schedule these well in advance but the schedules frequently change or get pushed to later dates.
2) G5 opponents. These programs have realized they have essentially no chance of making the playoff so they might as well put financials first. As some conferences have moved away from scheduling FCS opponents, there is increased demand for G5 opponents and straight up buying home games from G5 teams has gotten very, very expensive. The top programs have the money and will pay it for extra home games but if you don't have the money, then you have to make 2-for-1 or maybe even the occasional home-and-home series.
3) FCS opponents. Buying home games from FCS opponents is a cheaper option but you really only want to schedule 1 of them because of bowl eligibility and a variety of other reasons. Fans complain about these games because watching a non-competitive game stinks yet the expectation is that it should be a blowout. If you do lose, it's a program damaging, national story.

Ultimately, you do actually have to play somebody. Whit appears to prefer scheduling 2-for-1 deals with regional G5 opponents and I imagine this is because we don't have the money to buy home games, it keeps travel costs down and gives our fans a chance to attend the road games, and possibly has some recruiting benefits. Personally I'd say recruiting is a tertiary factor at best when scheduling these games and the benefit is fairly minimal (the coaches can potentially squeeze in an in-person eval or visit while in the area instead of making a separate trip at some point). Certainly it's not ideal when we struggle or lose to any G5 or FCS teams but if our team struggles with ODU and Furman then why would we expect it to be any different with ECU and JMU (it wasn't)... or Middle Tennessee and UT Chattanooga... or UAB and Samford. Again, you actually have to play someone.

Anyway, I didn't comment on or criticize Henderson's decision but I'm not convinced the deciding factor in his decision was that Virginia Tech lost to ODU instead losing to UTEP two years ago.

Joffrey, Cersei, Ilyn Payne, the Hound, Jeff Jagodzinski, Paul Johnson, Pat Narduzzi.

We should never play "at" ODU, no... never

If losing to ODU ago is what lost us Henderson, then by the same logic, we should not have landed Kendall Fuller, since we lost to JMU a 2 years prior to that

Now finish up them taters; I'm gonna go fondle my sweaters.

Nope, not so much... 1. I didn't say it was a 1-1 reason. 2. That VT team won the ACC. This VT program is trending downward from the ODU loss. False equivalency

you're aware that TreVeyon Henderson is from the Richmond area, right? not sure what projecting big time in the 757 has much to do with this.

I agree that we need to win to be in a position for these guys. But pinning this individual's recruitment on the fact that he "probably saw ODU smash us in person 2 years ago" is a leap at best.

"Why gobble gobble chumps asks such good questions, I will never know." - TheFifthFuller

Not if you are being honest. It's not a leap. Almost beating Clemson is Fuente's biggest win. 4 years ago. That's what is hurting our recruiting. Void of big wins AND getting stomped by ODU, Duke, etc. It's not just "money" causing us to not land top Va. talent.

It's a leap because you're making a connection that you have no idea is even valid. How can you draw a line between treveyon being present for the ODU nightmare and his recruitment to Tech when you don't even know if he was there? And it seems as if you're assuming he's a 757 recruit, when he's not. You have many valid gripes with the program and its trajectory. This is not an excuse to air every single one of them.

"Why gobble gobble chumps asks such good questions, I will never know." - TheFifthFuller

I think you're being a bit too literal here, while no one knows how much losing to ODU hurt us with TH, it certainly didn't help.

Whether or not he was a 757 recruit or at the game, he certainly heard about it.

Sadly, you could probably make a strong argument that the most media attention VT has gotten during the Fuente era has been after the ODU loss.

The point is, we have come up short time and time again when we have had a 'statement game'. Bristol, Clemson+Miami '17, ND '18 all were letdowns on big stages. Clemson in ACCCG really has been the most impessive football result of the Fuente era.

If you step outside and look at it, its easy to see why recruiting feels like it's headed in the wrong direction. Its hard to sell "we're building something here," going into year 5 when the on-field results don't really support that.

Correct

Another one gone!

"Hey Bud, you wont have to hold the opponent to 17 points anymore."

"I want to compete for a national championship," said Henderson.

If you read this and thought he was still coming here, then I don't know what to tell you. Do we all hope to get there one day? Of course. Are we likely to get there anytime soon? Probably not. If we had landed him and a strong recruiting trend continued perhaps in his 3rd year we might have been competing in the playoffs but no sooner.

If you don't want to recruit clowns, don't run a clown show.

"I want to punch people from UVA right in the neck." - Colin Cowherd

Dude was not coming to tech. He had saban, dabo and the likes strolling in to Hopewell to see him. National championship, hell we'd like to hopefully win the coastal again in the foreseeable future.

hell we'd like to hopefully win the coastal again in the foreseeable future.

And there it is folks. This is where the VT football program is right now... We are basically a G-5 football program as a middling Coastal Team.

Is coronavirus over yet?

We haven't won the ACC in 8 years. Let that sink in.

Not trying to make your day any worse, but it's actually been 9 years

Fuck.

You know what? At this point, I'm OK not beating Clemson. I just want to beat our G-5 competition in the Coastal.

Is coronavirus over yet?

Yeah one step at a time. Lets get to the championship first before we start talking about beating Clemson. If we smash through the coastal and get to the ACCCG then maybe there is an argument to beating Clemson. If we limp in, like we would have if we beat UVA this past year, then there really isn't an argument to beat Clemson. More so, lets just not embarrass ourselves.

which UVA failed to do....which is nice

If you don't want to recruit clowns, don't run a clown show.

"I want to punch people from UVA right in the neck." - Colin Cowherd

I disagree, we would have certainly put up a fight against Clemson. I don't think we would have been limping in either, other than Farley.

We were on a roll in November until the UVA game. All we had to do was keep the momentum going, and we lost the 4th quarter.

TKPhi Damn Proud
BSME 2009

Clemson would have steamrolled us- our D would have given up 750 yards. Our offense maybe would have scored 10.
UVA game- lost the 4th quarter? How about the first half? UVA was better than Tech, and our past dominance of them is waning. They have a good coach , and are recruiting big players- large in size to fit their scheme. UVA is not going to be a push over going forward, and we better get used to it and adjust our team to fit our conference. We need to get bigger backs, d line and backers to compete.

Without Perkins they are going 4-8 this year

It's an illusion
It's all an illusion

UVA has an above average d- better than ours for sure, solid and disciplined offense. They will stick in a system quarterback and go to a bowl game with their strong coaching. I will take that bet- I see a team on the rise. They have an identity, and they play hard nosed football. Aggressive d and solid o.

Per 2019 SP+ our defense was better (39th vs 52nd).

I think last year's team would have had a very poor season without a dynamic playmaker at QB. I do, however, agree that Mendenhall has a very particular identity, play-style, and will/has installed his program ethos, just as he did at BYU.

However, he also has one of the least talented P5 rosters in the country. I looked at the talent composite numbers on this for another thread where we were discussing UVA football, and so far his UVA teams are very much in the same talent ballpark as his BYU teams were (I can try to dig up that post, but I quite frankly don't know where to start looking for it). He was also consistently reliant on dynamic QB play, even at BYU.

UVA is, and will continue to operate as a P5 version of BYU basically unless he sees a noteworthy uptick in recruiting success. I think he is high floor, low ceiling type of coach, personally. However, that might be exactly what UVA wants.

edit: Found it. Last years UVA team was 59th in talent composite. The 2015 and 2016 BYU rosters (all Bronco's players) were 63rd and 61st in talent composite. Low P5/High G5 talent level with good coaching and reliant on elevated and dynamic QB play.

I think this is the issue for me... UVA has a better "team" right now. Bronco has already established a particular brand (one that VT fans should be very familiar with) and is simply overachieving. I still don't know what VT's brand is under Fuente (although we may have gotten a glimpse at it during the 2nd half of the season last year), and I suspect it may be a couple more years before that identity/brand begins to take shape with the staff overhaul we just went through.

Is coronavirus over yet?

Correct- UVA has had one explosive player on offense since Bronco took over.

BYU had 24 yr old, less talented guys on their roster though...

I still see LOLUVA and we kick their ass 48-0 if we have football season this year

It's an illusion
It's all an illusion

I think they will be more like 5-7, their ceiling is going to be 6-6 or 7-5. The have a decent defense but ours will be better this year. Perkins and the Reed/Dubois connection was their entire offense, they will be absymal on offense this year. Playing Georgia and Clemson also doesn't help.

I know you aren't a Fuente fan but this is essentially year 3 for Fuente bc he didn't start from scratch like Bronco (Beamers left some talent for his first 2 years). Bronco started with nothing and has built them into an average, disciplined football team which I can appreciate. But they don't have the talent on offense to sniff the top of the ACC Coastal for at least the next couple years until they find a Bryce 2.0.

Yep- perkins had 60 yards of uncontested grass in the first half, not 4th quarter- no excuse. Horrible gap fit defense. and yes- Kentucky had 1 division 1 skill player on offense and put up 500 yards. Clemson would have murdered our small thin DL.

I didn't mean limping in in terms of player health. I meant it more so of we would have gotten there by winning our last game which was a hard fought one. I don't' know if we would have gotten blasted the way UVA did, but I don't think it really would have been close.

There's a different perception going into the game if you crush your opponents into the coastal as opposed to barely getting there. Perhaps if we blasted through UVA maybe but I still don't think that the game would have been that close or at least Clemson ever be in danger of losing it.

If you don't want to recruit clowns, don't run a clown show.

"I want to punch people from UVA right in the neck." - Colin Cowherd

Duke and BC are the reasons we didn't win the coastal. Should have never been in do or die mode vs. UVA after the way we ran through the Coastal in October and November. We could have been 10-1 going into C-Ville. Looking back, that first month was an absolute gut punch.

TKPhi Damn Proud
BSME 2009

LMAO sometimes you just gotta laugh!

"Hey Bud, you wont have to hold the opponent to 17 points anymore."