Right now it looks like if Clemson wins the best case Chick Fil a and worst case Belk? It is going to change so much over the next week. Where do you guys want us to go? The Russell Athletic against Louisville wouldn't be bad nor would the Sun against USC/UCLA. The Belk would probably be against Houston and the Chick Fil would probably be A&M or USC-E. Not bad matchups if you ask me.
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Chick-Fil-A Bowl would be awesome but I would think Duke is most likely to get that bid. Chances are we'll be heading back to the Russell Athletic Bowl.
I'll take it. It would be a lot better than last year, going up against Louisville.
True that. Please God just no Rutgers rematch.
I'm fine with the RAB this year.... my job currently has me working in Cocoa Beach/Melbourne, Florida (45 min - 1 hour east of Orlando), and I'm working the week of the game, so I could drive over after work. The next day would be miserable however....
During our game, the broadcast showed Brad Edwards' projection -- and surprisingly it showed the following...
Chickfila - Miami
Russell - VT
Sun - Duke
Not sure I agree the chickfila would choose Miami over us. Also not sure Duke slides that far.
I guess it might be tough to sell Duke's half of the tickets for whatever game they're in. So could that be a factor for being picked for a "smaller/lesser" bowl?
Totally agree. No doubt that's gonna hurt them in bowl selection. It's a shame, they've had a great season.
ESPN predicted Miami going to the Peach Bowl, but Duke would be more deserving.
Tech finished higher than Miami in the standings and crushed them in their own house. Plus the little fan support won't work in Miami's favor. We definitely deserve to go to a better bowl than Miami, but we'll see.
Can we just play Miami again?
Logic would say Duke gets the Chick-Fil-A and we get the Russell Athletic or the Belk Bowl, but I have a feeling we could easily wind up in the Chick-Fil-A especially if Duke gets crushed by FSU. Nobody thought we'd be in the Sugar Bowl 2 years ago either but we're a hotter commodity for ticket sales than Duke and should be chosen ahead of Miami.
I agree it's very likely we "jump up" to the Chicken Bowl. I'd love it. But, I fear we'd be fairly overmatched by the SEC opponent.
I hope I'm wrong, and I'll gladly eat crow. But, I watched a fairly average (if that?) VT team today...and that's a trend the back half of the season.
I share your concern. Especially if we are without Kyle Fuller, Edmunds, etc.
The CFA bowl, if we go though, would be late enough that Fuller and Exum could feasibly healthy to play.
No Edmunds though, which would hurt, but the D could be shored up
Didn't mean to down vote, fat fingers got the best of me
Well all these depend on Clemson beating USC-E...which is kinda looking squirrley right now.
But I think if Clemson wins, since it's a 1-game offset, we could jump Miami to CFA because of travelling and sales.
Even though Duke would have a better record, traditionally losing the ACCCG is enough to dump a team down to Russell/Sun
Good Lord, we've got some injuries heading into whatever bowl game we get invited to.
Yep but hopefully Kyle and Exum can be back and hopefully Facyson is okay as well.
With Clemson about to lose my guess is Sun against UCLA/USC. That would be awesome too.
If VT plays UCLA, Anthony Barr will play himself into the discussion as the #1 pick and his draft highlight reel will have a lot of Sun Bowl clips.
Wait, could Clemson still be in the Orange Bowl assuming FSU takes care of business?
Seems unlikely now for Clemson. Always possible, but I don't see two BCS games for the ACC now.
I think there's a slim chance it could happen, but here's what needs to happen.
A&M Beats Mizzou
Auburn wins SECCG
Stanford loses P12CG
Oklahoma State loses to Oklahoma
Baylor loses to Texas
EDIT: Also, it would help if NIU loses in the MAC championship, since that would mean there would probably be no non-AQ team that meets the BCS requirements.
I dont think Clemson will fall any lower than 10 maybe, so at this point they could get an at-large
I assume you mean Stanford loses PAC12CG
You right. Thanks for pointing that
I'm thinking the Orange Bowl would keep an ACC team for political reasons and Clemson at 10-2 is good enough. Then they get first at large pick, so they'll take the highest ranked team not already spoken for, which could be Alabama.
I don't know the rule (if there is one), but I thought the ACC agreement with the Orange Bowl required that the Orange Bowl take an ACC team....so, if FSU is in the BCS Championship game, then that would mean Clemson in the Orange Bowl.
Is that not how the ACC-Orange Bowl agreement works?
I believe the arrangements are only valid unless the team is chosen for the BCS Championship. At that point it reverts to an at-large slot. Orange could prefer to take an ACC team, but they don't necessarily have to if FSU goes to the championship.
Gotcha. If that's the arrangement, that makes sense. I just didn't know if they were *required* to take an ACC team.
I checked the BCS bowls since they added the fifth bowl and the SEC started their run, and there's only been a couple of times that the replacement teams weren't from the same conference. The Sugar Bowl has picked an SEC team every year except for 2011, since the national title game had 2 SEC teams.
The Rose Bowl will try to protect the Big Ten/Pac-12 matchup. When TCU got to the Rose Bowl a couple of years ago, it was because the RB was required to take the non-AQ team in the first year that one of their teams made the national title game.
In 2009, when Texas went to the title game, the Fiesta Bowl went with both non-AQ teams instead of another Big 12 team, probably because none were ranked high enough. In terms of records and rankings, the ACC is probably closer to the Big 12 than the SEC, so who knows what could happen.
All I know is that the Orange Bowl has had ratings and ticket sales problems, because they usually get stuck with subpar matchups. There have been several years where the ACC champ is the lowest ranked champ, and then the OB gets stuck with the last pick of the at-larges. This year, they have the first pick of the at-large, so they shouldn't run into those problems.
http://cfarena.blogspot.com/2013/11/bcs-replacement-teams.html
The Orange Bowl will most likely still pick Clemson. As long as Clemson doesnt drop below 14 BCS then they are eligible for an at large. If a bowl loses a host team to the NCG, then such bowl shall select a replacement team from among the automatic-qualifying teams and the at-large teams before any other selections are made. If two bowls lose host teams to the NCG, each bowl will get a replacement pick before any other selections are made. In such case, the bowl losing the No. 1 team gets the first replacement pick, and the bowl losing the No. 2 team gets the second replacement pick. With FSU most likely #1, the Orange Bowl will pick its replacement first.
If the Orange does take Clemson, then I'm on record here -- VT goes to Atlanta. I just don't see the Chick Fil A selecting Miami or Duke over VT (because of fan support/ticket sales).
If UVA can back door their way into Atlanta, anything's possible.
They never thanked us for that
This might be slightly off topic here...but if Duke pulls the upset against FSU, it could be possible for FSU to miss the BCS. More than likely, the Sugar and Fiesta Bowls will be stuck with the American champ and non-AQ teams (since it looks like NIU will be ranked high enough). So, the only at-large spot for FSU would be in the Orange Bowl. Except that Duke would already be in the game and I don't think the OB would want an ACC title game rematch.
Perhaps there is a chance that the Sugar Bowl might take FSU as the SEC replacement if the Tigers get backed into the national title game.
#chaostheory
Duke-Orange
FSU-Sugar
Clemson-Chick Fil A
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Is there a chance we go to the Music City Bowl? 5-6 hours from campus in Nashville (great city), potential SEC opponent, could be good for our reputation. Plus, I'd enjoy only travelling an hour to see us play in a bowl game, call me petty...
Nah UNC or BC will probably end up there.
It's a slim chance, but the problem is that it's the 6th or 7th pick, depending on how many teams go to the BCS.
Here's the final records, with the two possibilities for the ACC champ teams:
1. Florida State 12-0 / 13-0 or 12-1
2. Duke 10-2 / 11-2 or 10-3
3. Clemson 10-2
4. Miami 9-3
5. Virginia Tech 8-4
6. Georgia Tech 7-5
7. Boston College 7-5
8. Maryland 7-5
As you can see, bowl #6 or 7 puts it in the range of the 7-5 teams. With the rule that bowls can pick within one game of the next available team, I don't see any of the bowls above Music City picking a 7-5 team over VT. I imagine we're a decent draw to the CFA, Russell Athletic, and Belk Bowls. I figure the Sun Bowl will just pick the highest available team since they're so far away geographically from the conference, and won't worry about the one game rule.
I still call it a slim chance, simply because the bowl organizers have been known to make some surprising decisions.
Thanks for the reply, I really appreciate you going in depth to put our bowl situation in perspective. Also, I see you're pretty new to the TKP community, welcome!
I think the CFA will pick us because their money is tied in to ticket sales, whereas the farther away bowls are gonna get their money through the TV draw (and right now Duke is a bigger TV draw than us). But really, the top 5 bowls this year all look like they'll end up with some fun match-ups. I think we're gonna end up with a more exciting match-up than an 8-4 team deserves.
The one-win rule applies to conference records, not overall records. Also, the ACCCG loser can't fall below the Sun Bowl.
http://www.virginiasports.com/sports/m-footbl/spec-rel/110611aab.html
Multiple sites have Tech playing UCLA in the Sun Bowl, which isn't all that bad.
Playing UCLA would be nice, I think that would be a good matchup. But Hundley is our kryptonite this year, mobile QB and all.
Playing Louisville would be nice, Bridgewater vs Fuller. If we played an SEC team, Ole Miss would be a good match up. Georgia.
Why do we even have a tie in with the Sun Bowl. Makes no sense.
Tech's 1st bowl was the 1949 Sun Bowl. It's also better to play a Pac12 team than AAC.
Its better than the Diamond Walnut Classic we used to be tied into but as a plus it does expose us to some of the local Texas market....never hurts to make some recruiting in-roads in Texas
I'm thinking VT ends up in the Chick-Fil-A Bowl against Georgia.
FSU plays for the belt
Clemson vs Alabama in Orange Bowl
Hokies vs. Dogs in Atlanta
Miami vs. Louisville in Orlando
Duke vs. UCLA in El Paso
I think you're spot-on about where these ACC teams land. While I'd be thrilled for VT to land in ATL, I have to say -- it'll be a shame Duke isn't better-rewarded for the great season they've had.
I have zero sympathy or respect for Dook. They should be thankful they even have a winning record. Hope they get obliterated (which they will) by the Noles and whoever they face in their silly little bowl. Next year I expect us to curbstomp them back into oblivion.
Why such hate? Let them have their fun. I'm upset one of their 10 wins came against us, but I don't have any exceptional ill will
If them getting rectum violated by fsu and whoever they play in their little bowl is fun then let the have it and take it.
I'd jump at the chance to play FSU, just sayin'
Their 10-2, so it's not like the squeaked out a winning record. They are playing good ball, and deserve the rewards.
Many say that we were the better team when we played Duke, but if we were, we would have won.
In addition, let some of these other teams get into the picture. It makes the ACC look better, and spreads the love a little. Duke is taking its shot like Wake Forest did years ago.
Anyway, no need to be so sour about them.
Nope. Dook sucks. Overrated.
I think you might be confusing them with Miami.
Nope they're overrated too. But a leg for that.
Two downvotes from two trolls. What else? LOL
Bowl selections are always a crapshoot of the best teams available mixed with the preference of the particular bowl that is selecting. It's never the most "deserving" team that gets picked for any particular game, unless it's by happenstance.
Don't forget that overall records have nothing to do with anything besides Bowl & BCS at-large eligibility. After the BCS makes it's selections, the only thing that matters is ACC record... and the one-loss rule is in play, which means that any team within one loss of the eligible team with the most wins could be selected by the bowl who's picking.
Unfortunately, I think VT ends up in the Sun Bowl, but individual bowl preference will mean the world:
- If FSU/Clemson both make the BCS, Duke/VT/Miami/GT are all eligible for CFA
- If Duke/FSU both make the BCS, only Clemson is eligible for CFA
- If FSU only makes the BCS, only Clemson/Duke are eligible for CFA
- If Duke only makes the BCS, only FSU is eligible for CFA
After the CFA makes it's selection, if not VT, then I think the RAB is going to pick Miami due to proximity. Duke cannot fall below the Sun Bowl, so if they are not picked for the CFA or RAB they would fall to the Sun... but if they do go to Atlanta, then VT is going to be the best on the board and probably go to El Paso. (barf)
In reality, all of the ACC's bowl eligible teams could be picked ahead of VT except for Pitt & Maryland, but I think VT falls no farther than the Belk Bowl.
I can't see Duke being picked for the Chik-Fil-A Bowl. They don't bring enough fans with them. They won't pick GT because it's in Atlanta, and Miami has no fans. So when choosing between VT and Duke I think they pick VT. Not trying to be a homer, just looking at the facts. I think if we do fall past there we end up in the Sun Bowl.
As a VT fan, I want the best possible bowl game, of course. I just don't know what all goes into it behind the scenes... there's probably things that could help Duke overcome not bringing enough fans. For one, all of the tickets aside from the team allotments are already sold. If Duke didn't sell their entire allotment, the remainder would surely get scooped up by SEC fans. Politically, there could be some pressure from Swofford to get Duke in there, but maybe the CFA bowl won't care anymore since they're moving up in prestige with the playoff starting next year.
As for GT, I seem to remember them securing the 2008 CFA bid prior to the ACC Championship game, which would have put them in the game ahead of the Hokies had we lost the ACCCG that year. Of course, it all worked out for us but we could have been dumped for GT so there's some precedent for that.
Miami, I agree, there's no way CFA takes them over other options. I think in a head-to-head match-up vs. Miami, we are better bowl prospect for any of the bowls with the exception of the RAB... and in that one, we're probably a toss-up with them cause I doubt they have a ton of fans who'd even make the drive to Orlando. :/
If I were guessing probabilities for the CFA's selection, I'd rank it as Duke -> VT -> GT -> Miami. I wish I were confident that VT would travel as well or better than Duke this year, given the disappointment of the last two seasons.
Miami fans can't even show up in Miami
I agree. If Clemson gets picked by Orange, CFA takes us. Not only does Duke not travel but they would be TV ratings suicide. Miami is only a threat to us in Orlando, not as much due to proximity as much as due to us being there last year. Fine with me, I'd much prefer the CFA or Sun.
The Sun is actually a great landing spot for us, if it comes to that. Our fan base has been showing less and less tix sakes the last few years, this would give us a break since nobody expects anyone to travel to El Paso anyway. And great opponent, historic bowl game. It's a great deal for us.
But I much prefer UGA or aTm in ATL
Really? After what Maryland's QB did to us, you want to play against Johnny FB? I'd pass on that, bro.
This is from Wikipedia, but apparently we can't be selected over Duke, which kills any hope of Atlanta.
It was put in place specifically to protect a team like Duke from losing their deserved place. We could still go before Miami though.
But the Hokies are within one game of Duke in the ACC Standings. Duke finished 6-2, VT 5-3.
Exactly!
I read too much into the "overall ... standings" part I guess. I hope this is the right interpretation!
I think Clemson is a lock for Atlanta while Duke should get the next best bowl after that followed by the Hokies. The canes don't travel well..but it should be interesting. I would like to see a VT/USC match up..that would be an exciting game for us.
Actually I think there is a better chance Clemson ends up in South Beach and since the Sun Bowl it is the 4th best Pac 12 team so it would be UCLA (USC lost to them last night, so they finished behind them in the standings.)
Possibility of some interesting rematches - vs USC or UGA.
IF FSU plays in the NC Game, Does the Orange have to take an ACC team? I thought they did......
If so, maybe VT plays in Atlanta???? If not, we are looking at RAB...
I don't think they have too but I would think they would take Clemson as an at large.
Answered this upthread. They don't have to take an ACC team but they probably will to play nice woth the conference
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