DD "Virginia Tech wasn't in the same league as Auburn"

"What really made me commit -- the opportunity to play in big-time games every week. I'll have the opportunity to get my name out there once I get on the field and do what I do."

"The picture of Auburn compared to Virginia Tech ... everything academically was better. Virginia Tech wasn't in the same league as Auburn and I had to be smart. I had to realize I was going to Virginia Tech to play fast. When I committed (to the Hokies), I knew I could play there my first year, but then I thought -- it would be OK to sit behind someone like Bo Nix my freshman year. I know that even if I'm not starting, my time is coming."

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I won't comment on the academic part, but the football stuff is completely true. There really isnt a comparison between VT and Auburn when it comes to the football landscape.

That's completely fair.

To say there's no comparison is definitely an overstatement. They're clearly a program on a higher level right now, but there's a bigger difference program wise between us and a Duke or Boston College (two teams literally in our league that we lost to last season) than there is between us and Auburn.

Duke or Boston College (two teams literally in our league that we lost to last season) than there is between us and Auburn.

Yeah, maybe 10 years ago. We are much to the Boston Colleges of the college football world than the Auburns. Times have changed. VT isn't a shoe in for championship games anymore. We are middling ACC team in the worst division in P5 football. Auburn competes in the best division against titans of the game and actually comes out on top sometimes. They are leagues ahead of us. VT has been left behind and it's too hard in today's culture to catch up.

But Koastal, it may *feel* that way as a diehard fan but in any objective reality we are right now present day much closer to Auburn than Boston College.

Answer me this, when was the last time Boston College won 8 games in a regular season? I'll give you a hint, it was almost twice as long ago as when Duke last did it and they played us in the ACC championship. We just did it and it was our second worst season out of Fuente's tenure. Boston College's program is no where close to ours in level of facilities, (until this last year) recruiting, and product on the field.

Another way of looking at it.

Last four years:
Team A: 8-4, 10-2, 7-5, 9-3. Total: 34-14
Team B: 9-3, 9-3, 6-6, 8-4. Total: 32-16
Team C: 6-6, 7-5, 7-5, 6-6. Total: 26-22

Which two are closest?

That's all well and good and it's a perfectly fine conclusion if you're only going to look backwards and not forwards. A top-30 program is way closer to becoming a top-45 program than it is to becoming a top-15 program ๐Ÿคทโ€โ™‚๏ธ

"Why gobble gobble chumps asks such good questions, I will never know." - TheFifthFuller

Exactly. This shit isn't linear. The top teams (Auburn being one of them) are leagues ahead of us in terms of national perception.

Lol, why are you looking backwards? We are on a downward trajectory. We can all feel it. Recruiting classes arent hitting. We look less and less competitive in games over the past couple seasons. The here and now is what recruits think about and see and hear. The here and now is what the media reports on.

People around the country don't look at VT like they used to. It's a new world. The Landscape is different. We are sitting at the kids table with teams like BC.

Downward trajectory? We just went from 6-6 to 8-4 where sure we flubbed a few games but the potential is there to be really good. This year we return everyone. There's no real "downward trajectory" except in recruiting and perception. (Obv the loss of Bud hurts too). The recruiting part is definitely on the staff but the perception part seems to be significantly removed from reality.

8-4 in the worst division in P5 football. Sure, I guess you can argue that it's all relative to who you play, but there is no one on our schedule that players are salivating to play yearly. We don't have a Bama. We don't have an OSU. We don't have a Texas or Oklahoma or USC. We have...Miami?

No one cares about VT man. This is just the truth. Even when we are an elite team we could barely rustle up a top20 class.

Idk, kudos to you for believing in our national perception, but I think we are long gone as a relevant team to recruits and the media.

Well there's an argument to be made for worst P5 division between us and the Atlantic but I get your point lol

Atlantic? Like ACC Atlantic? Well they have Clemson. So at least players get to play a national contending team every year. We are a terrible division across the board essentially haha.

Them having Clemson is the only thing giving them an argument. No one else in that division was even at UNC or Pitt level last season. Wake Cuse Louisville FSU and BC all would've finished 5th or 6th in our league. State would've been dead last.

Clemson is the only Atlantic team that would have finished in the top half of our league And I think we'd have given them a good game, definitely way better than what they got from UVA

(repost from the recruiting thread because I accidentally posted it there instead of the discourse thread)

I don't really care all that much that Davis decomitted and went to Auburn. It doesn't bother me that much that he pulled some bogus Top 3 and went with Auburn anyway (that kind of thing just makes you look bad, not any of the other schools so you do you). But this kid said Auburn isn't in the same league as Virginia Tech academically. That's not true. They aren't really that close at all. You want to play football in the SEC, that's fine but at least get your facts straight. I won't think about this situation beyond ten minutes after I finish reading Hokie sports news for the day but I read that from him and I'm like "dude, stfu".

Yeah I didn't really care about the impending "fake out" of not having Auburn in the final 3 and then picking them but that quote has changed my opinion of him. It's not only a completely false smear of our academics but extremely insulting to our QB room. QP and HH were supposed to be his teammates until a few weeks ago and you needlessly diss them on the way out the door?

Joffrey, Cersei, Ilyn Payne, the Hound, Jeff Jagodzinski, Paul Johnson, Pat Narduzzi.

That was a direct shot at all the fans trashing him on twitter.

I have no idea why my username is VT_Warthog.

Arkansas blew a 24-0 lead in the Belk Bowl.

I knew I could play there my first year

The staff making Mike London promises to recruits?

Is coronavirus over yet?

Yeah kids a baller but I definitely wouldn't peg him as the 2021 starter

(add if applicable) /s

Old man's take on all of this. Graduation from kindergarten? Proms with outrageous limos and venues? Weddings that cost more than my first house? Things have gone out of hand. These kids get far too much attention for their choices and giving them this bully pulpit to yank folks about with their mercurial tweets and decisions is truly enabling the already enabled.
I'm sick of it and just hearing "Well, that's the way it is these days" gives me cold comfort.

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giving them this bully pulpit to yank folks about with their mercurial tweets and decisions is truly enabling the already enabled.

Oh boo hoo. They are kids. No adults should ever put themselves in a position to be "yanked around" by a child. If anything, the reason they shouldnt get this much attention is because they get targeted for some real hateful shit. I feel like people across the football landscape forget this one fact: they are kids. No one would act this way towards a child if it was in real life and not the internet. Don't forget that.

He didn't hurt my feelings. Know why? Because, as you said, he is a kid. A kid getting too much attention for doing what thousands of kids do all the time, choosing a college. I would like to think, though, that if he were my kid he wouldn't act like a jerk in such a public way. As for the internet, if that's not real life these days, there are an awful lot of people wasting their lives away. And no, I don't think it's ok to @ at a child for being a child. That's what his parents, family and mentors are supposed to be for.

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Being a "child" is no excuse to act in an unprofessional manner. Whether you like it or not, choosing a college to play football is a business decision, therefore you should treat it like one. He's close to being 18, which will make him an adult. This whole "he's just a kid" excuse is tiring. No, I don't support people tweeting nasty things at him (I don't support people doing that at adults either), but being in the public spotlight is in the territory for college football recruits. A 17 year old is not a "child" like a 10 year old is.

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But it's also not an adult like a 25 year old is...

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Our society for some reason has gone to great lengths to prolong and extend childhood relative to previous generations. It is a peculiar thing, but society now insists on convincing young adults that they are still kids and that it is okay for them to take their time growing up.

I said 25 because you are truly a lot more mature then than at 17/18, and because the human brain isn't fully developed until age 25.
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I'm not saying a 17 year old is a child. Far from it. But expecting them to make the same decisions as a 40 year old is truly laughable.

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I will agree with you there, but is 17 too young to have learned a little humility?

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Humilty? At 17? Every 17 year old I've known thinks they have the world by the balls and acts accordingly. I have zero expectation of humility out of 17 year olds.

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Well, perhaps not expecting it is why it isn't there? I have known my share of 17 year olds who weren't dicks. I will attribute that to their upbringing for sure.

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I'll take it further, I coached U18/19 soccer for several years. Knew almost all of the parents. Maybe soccer isn't football, but full team of seniors with a sprinkle of freshman in college and juniors in high school...so not far off, well, at least from a competitive standpoint. They were competitive. And fiery. And had good upbringings. It's the nature of the beast. And if I'm going to coach a team, I want that fire, that edge, that will to compete. If you don't have it at 17, you aren't going to make it in big time football for sure. That being said, not every kid is a football (or competitive) kid. And that's fine too.

And I still didn't expect the 17 year old to make the same decision as the 40 year old. That's why there's a coach present.

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I defer somewhat to your experience in this matter, but don't see what humility and competitive drive have to do with each other. I see where you want it to go, just don't buy it. Plenty of humble heroes out there, young and old, sports and real life, and they had to learn it from someone, sometime. If they don't learn this at home, maybe the coaches could help. Sportsmanship gone out of style, too?
And no, I don't expect a 17 year old to make the same decisions as a 40 year old, but I'm not talking about 40 year olds.

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You're lumping a lot of things together.
My kids were good sports. But they were competitive. When they walked on the field from the jump their heads were up and chests were out. I wouldn't really call that humble. They knew their team worth as a top 20 team in the state. They celebrated when they scored, were pissed when they lost, but shook hands after the game...with the other team, other coaches, and the refs. There can be a lack of humility for competitive sake without being a dick.

And that's not to say that they weren't great kids. You could talk to them about school or other things and they were shy and reserved...you know, humble.

Jordan, one of the least humble people out there, but also possibly one of the greatest sportsman as well. When I hear someone say "well, at least they were good sports out there today" I imagine someone who doesn't mind losing and will mail it in when things get tough. I don't want them to start a fight, but I want them to battle, to give it their all, and be a part of the team that can hold their heads up at the end. Then, when the game is done, that's when you are good sport in respecting the game by shaking hands and accepting the result.

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I didn't say they should be losers or ok with losing. Perhaps we feel the same way somewhat but for some reason, you seem to think I believe they should all be loser give up wimps or something in the name of humility. And respecting the game is cool, but respecting your opponents is also cool. Grace and class in victory and also in defeat is a big part of sportsmanship I believe.
So, I'll exit this discussion and go mainline some bleach or something. I wish you good golfing.

I will leave this particular sideshow, and wish you well and good golfing.

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That's not what I was saying.
All good. We are close to the same end result...good kids with respect at the end of the day.
Prost!!!!! Grab some keepers!

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I bet the vast majority of those 17 year olds didnt have the country telling them they were hot shit or have thousands of people begging them to grace their team with their talents. That kind of exposure and attention from strangers fucks with even much older adults let alone a teenager.

Firmly agree. Kids need guidance as well as support, especially when thrust in the spotlight for being good at playing a game.

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I think a lot of 17 year olds have genuine humility. But, I understand the expectations may be different for 17, 25, 40, etc. My only gripe with regard to this convo and TKP is when people say "give him a break, he is just a kid, leave him alone". There is room for criticism when it comes to how these kids behave and handle themselves. Many times the criticism is taken way too far on TKP. Other times, some TKPers get upset if anyone is critical at all. I'm not commenting on you or even DD in particular. Just see it a lot on TKP, some people losing their minds on players/recruits and others defending them to the end of the universe.

Oh, I agree...there are kids that are a-holes. (Marcus comes to mind as one with limited humility.) And others that can handle situations. (Tre comes to mind...I have gotten a chance to hang with his family and him a few times.)

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Society has been doing this since way before the previous generation. We've been extending adolescence for a long time. When was the last time period where it was expected for 13 year old girls to start pushing out kids and getting married?

The biological imperatives that forced young people to grow up quickly are simply not in play anymore in a modern society.

More like prior generations were pushing adulthood earlier on children. But I get, the older generations walked to school uphills both ways and all that jazz.

Nah, an 18 year old is still a child. We aren't talking about this in terms of a legal context, we are talking about this in terms of having the emotional and mental capability to handle being in a national spotlight. There isn't much different between an 17/18 in that case.

being in the public spotlight is in the territory for college football recruits.

I feel this, but in reality, very few of these kids have been taught how to handle the spotlight, much less make 'business decisions.'

A lot of these kids are raised in weird situations, where they have a handful of 'role models' who tell them different things and have different motives. They see coaches and other former players talking trash and one upping each other every chance they get, peers and scouts boosting their ego, people both verbally abusing them and inflating their ego on social media, and parents who are at best completely unprepared to deal with the recruiting process, and at worst are absent and/or negative influences in the player's life.

I don't know anything about DD's situation in particular, but in general, I don't think it's fair to expect these individuals to act professionally. You look at the kids who do handle it professionally, and you see that most of them are being guided by a coach, parent, or older sibling who's been through this, or something similar, before.

Edit: a word

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100% from another old man

Who's giving the kids that attention though? They surely aren't doing it to themselves

  • By any objective measure, Virginia Tech is a better school than Auburn. Stronger STEM institution, better post-graduate statistics, higher USNWR rankings etc. Even "their" med school is actually a satellite campus of VCOM. It's an illogical conclusion (Edit: At first brush. If he was talking about APR and other football-related academic statistics, it would make some sense although it appears a lot of that data is corrupted) and would love to see his rationale.
  • I would have been shocked if he played during the 2021 season assuming Hooker, QP or Burmester were still on the roster.
  • Talked about this earlier, I would argue that CornFu has a better track record with QBs than Morris. Turning two-star Paxton Lynch into a first-round pick is water into wine shit. That's far more impressive than the half-season Morris had with Watson. But of course, 17-year-old kids see how much one QB is making and that becomes their north star.
  • Zero chance Chad Morris stays at Auburn for the next 4-5 years.
  • His response (even if he believes he was being honest) was classless and demonstrates an immaturity unfitting of what you want in the most public student-athlete of your program. That being said, it's really hard to be too harsh on someone who's 16-17 years old.
  • Wanting to play against the best competition college football has to offer is a compelling pitch to players. As a Virginia Tech fan, I can't be mad when this argument helps us in basketball and hurts us in football.
  • Time will tell if we dodged a bullet but he burned his bridges with Virginia Tech. I'm ready to move on.

Wanting to play against the best competition college football has to offer is a compelling pitch to players. As a Virginia Tech fan, I can't be mad when this argument helps us from a basketball standpoint and hurts us in football.

This... The Coastal Division is like a middling G-5 conference. It's pathetic and VT adds to it. It's tough to sell that to recruits.

Is coronavirus over yet?

Sadly, ole Mack Brown and staff isn't really having a problem in this regard

It will be if they don't go to a bowl game in the next three years.

There's no chance of that though, Mack took a dogshit team and went 6-6 with a tough schedule, almost beat the defending champs. Now they add to that an insane a recruiting class by coastal standards and have a TOP FIVE in the country class coming in next year. Not only will they make a bowl game all of the next three years it's a safe bet they'll win the coastal in one of them, as much as any of us would hate it.

A middling G5 conference? Call it the worst P5 division if you want but middling G5 is a little extreme.

Joffrey, Cersei, Ilyn Payne, the Hound, Jeff Jagodzinski, Paul Johnson, Pat Narduzzi.

Yeah and it's really only recent history. Next year Miami is a 9 win team, UNC is recruiting lights out, UVA is much improved, GT still gonna suck but is recruiting well. We're the only program that looks to be regressing in the next 3-4 years

A little for sure... But not terribly far off. It's an absolute train wreck.

Is coronavirus over yet?

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Best of luck to the kid.

Well the kid is getting what he wants...the lime light. Just don't cry when Auburn gets another star and you're on the outside looking in. Nix would have to take a HUGE jump to go to the draft after next season....even then i don't think he is eligible (could be wrong). Also, I understand he is answering a question, but come on. Crap on a school you were hyping less than a month ago? We wonder why fans go at kids on twitter (no I don't condone it) but when they want you bought into them, it happens and then they crap on a school a fan is bought into in multiple ways - pride, financial etc it's human nature to defend it. This could of very well been answered with "looking VT is a great school I wish them the best but in the end Auburn I feel is a better fit for me"

Nix is entering his true sophomore season so he will be sitting behind him at least a year. Even then Nix is talented but needs a lot of refinement from an NFL standpoint so he may be a 4 year guy

He would have sat at Tech as long or longer than he will at Auburn. Got 2-3 years to recruit a QB without an attitude.

When I interviewed DD back in November, he emphasized how important early playing time was. Auburn definitely has Tech licked when it comes to resources and status. Yet, they did a really good job selling their message to DD โ€” 'hey, actually, early playing time isn't a big deal, in fact, waiting your turn is even better'.

That was good recruiting, to flip his mindset, and selling what they could offer.

Could also be that the NCAA changed what Auburn could offer with the ability to take endorsements.

And if they sold him that Bo Nix will easily go pro early (he was SEC freshman of the year, so you project that out) then it's almost the same playing time equation as coming to VT with QP or HH's eligibility.

Joffrey, Cersei, Ilyn Payne, the Hound, Jeff Jagodzinski, Paul Johnson, Pat Narduzzi.

Possibly, but that's more speculation than anything.

Auburn definitely has Tech licked when it comes to resources

We'll see how it plays out but I agree with your statement there and I don't see how it wouldn't ultimately translate to endorsement money.

Joffrey, Cersei, Ilyn Payne, the Hound, Jeff Jagodzinski, Paul Johnson, Pat Narduzzi.

I don't think your point is wrong, Auburn seemingly stands to offer more in terms of NIL, but I focused on what DD mentioned, and the reversal of direction.

That was good recruiting, to flip his mindset, and selling what they could offer.

This is where Fuente being a real-life version of Eric Taylor hurts us.

The Eric Taylor analogy, that's pretty perfect.

Never heard of Eric Taylor because I never watched FNL..had to look this up, but this appears to be correct..

You should really watch FNL

And this is where we fail big time in recruiting. We sell a mindset up front but we cannot adjust our strategy when we get negatively recruited against. We are going to continue getting raked in this phase of the game until we pull our heads out of our asses and actually employ coaches who know what the hell they are doing in recruiting. We just flat out suck at it and everyone knows how to play us like a fiddle.

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I'd imagine adding more W's each year wouldn't hurt the counter-arguments, either.

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Except he wouldn't have played at Tech any earlier. Will see how it winds up when Malzahn and Morris are fired in the next year or 2

I wonder if they promised not to recruit over him in the 2022 class. 2018 they signed the #1 dual threat in Joey Gatewood and then immediately signed the 2019 #1 dual threat Box Nix. Bo Nix starts and Gatewood transfers. I just don't see how a recruit can look at that and think "I 100% trust these guys. No way they sign a higher ranked recruit in 2022 by promising him early playing time over me"

Gobble Till You Wobble

I wonder if DD is even aware of that. And unless we are into negative recruiting, doubt anybody is going to tell him. And even so, considering the tweets, not sure we would even care enough to try.

"Early playing time" is always bullshit when it comes to guys with serious NFL aspirations... it's an interview cliche like "take it one day at a time", nothing more.

I can't speak to the Rivals interview, but it wasn't a cliche in the context of my conversation with him.

My point is that "early playing time" isn't bringing bring blue chippers to VT. What those kids want is to win big games on their way to the NFL (getting the best prep for i.e. maximizing their attractiveness to the NFL). And it's been shown that early playing time is, at best, largely irrelevant to that.

I hope Fuente has more than that to sell.

"early playing time" isn't bringing bring blue chippers to VT

Exactly. Good players can get playing time at many different schools. If early playing time is what really mattered than blue chip recruits would be going to bad programs. Simple as that. But who wants to play at a bad football program?

Is there even one true statement in there?

Auburn is not above us academically. He would definitely not have started here as a true freshman. Unless he leaves for the draft wouldn't Hooker be a senior? That is a very bold claim to make.

I guess I can't get too bent out of shape about it. The tidal waves of bullshit these kids must hear during their recruitments would probably shock the average person.

This kid is just repeating back the absolute bullshit Auburn sold him on. He's went from being a universally loved and mature kid to a diva. Good luck but next.

Yup, what he said

Well, that's one way to salt the earth on the way out the door.

To go from our biggest cheerleader to taking public pot shots at everything about Virginia Tech on the way out the door? This kind of public ridicule from a legitimate top recruit who absolutely loved us just a month ago is the kind of thing that swings the perception across the entire recruiting circuit. And just another cog in the wheel of failure by VT recruiting.

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Does anyone really believe he'd have come in and started as a freshmen?

It's time to move on and go hard after Lucas Coley. Kid looks impressive from what I can tell, would like to see French's and the other guru's take on him.

Tyrod did it Mikey, Tyrod did it!!

I think we're in too late

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Based on what?

I don't even care about recruiting anymore. And along those same lines, my day to day obsession with Tech football has waned considerably. I don't know if it's age, my preference for hunting over football on fall weekends, or if the recent upheaval in our way of life due to Covid, but I just don't care as much as I used to.

Good luck to the kid. His name will never cross my mind again.

Man, you nailed a description of me to a T. How old are you? I'm 40, love to hunt, and in the last 2-3 years, my obsession with VT football is way less. After this DD stuff, I went from not paying much attention to recruiting to not caring at all anymore.

I'm 34 and I am the same. I watch all of the football and basketball games but whether they win or lose doesn't matter as much as it did when I was younger. I don't know if it is because I'm older or lowered expectations.

37, and I still get just as excited to watch but the outcome does not define my life like it did in my 20's. Personally, I think that is more healthy.

I hope to write up a thread some day to rationalize why winning is so important.

"You don't stare into a rearview mirror"

I'm 36. Perhaps there's something about that 35-40 window where priorities just naturally change. But I think back about how many Saturdays I spent at the games or in front of the TV and pissed at the world when we lost, and I just wish I'd been halfway up a mountain somewhere. The highs of winning were never enough to balance the lows of losing, and I think that's an unhealthy way to react to a hobby. This spring I turkey hunted more than ever, and I plan to continue that pattern this fall.

[...] if the recent upheaval in our way of life due to Covid, but I just don't care as much as I used to.

This is where I am. I would not care one bit if football was not played this fall, to me, there are far more important things in life.

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34 going on 35. I still enjoy seeing who we get. I get a little bummed over who we lose. In the end, I'll read the write-ups on the commits and if they're lower ranked, root for them like hell and hope they knock the five star on his ass a-la Quin Blanding.

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It's none of those things. The ugly truth is that watching something you care about crumble is painful.

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Good on him, getting after that SEC monies and SEC coeds. Gotta do what is best for himself and and give him the best shot at the NFL. Kinda weird that a bunch of people are getting bent out of shape over the words or a 17 year old

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It's not his decision, but how he handled his business that is being ridiculed

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Once again, a 17 year old kid. Maybe you were perfect at that age but I know I was an even bigger asshole at that age than I am now.

I can imagine no more rewarding a career. And any man who may be asked in this century what he did to make his life worthwhile, I think can respond with a good deal of pride and satisfaction:
โ€œI served in the United States Navy"

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I was an even bigger asshole at that age than I am now.

You must've been intolerable. /s

But seriously, the butthurt over his statements is the product of him being super vocal and pro-Tech until a month ago, then he decommits and throws a couple cheap shots about the school and the program on his way out the door. All the scuttlebutt on this website has been about how this kid impacts other kids in the class and how we're expecting the whole state of Texas to join suit and decommit. You gotta think other high-profile recruits on our radar are paying attention to statements like these. I'll give him the benefit of his youth to an extent, but I'm not gonna let that pot shot about the quality of the institution go unaddressed. He could've made his point by just flatly comparing the level of competition between the ACC and SEC and saying he preferred the latter. The rest of it was unnecessary.

I would root for the Russians before I would root for Virginia.

We should ALL be careful when addressing his statements. We don't need to denigrate Auburn to lift up VT. Its still another great institution of learning with a lot of people who worked very hard to go there. That includes publically tweeting out "ranking comparisons" and stuff like that. Personally, I think it's enough to say in our own forum (or in your head): "You're wrong, f*ck off". Him being a "kid" just means its time for him to learn some lessons. This kid will hopefully learn a few things from this experience:

1. Fame can be a double edged sword which gets sharper the more famous you are
2. There are a lot of stupid people out there who will respond to your actions. That won't change as long as you have a big microphone
3. Once its on the internet, you can't take it back.

C'mon people (speaking to everyone, no TD12 directly), we deal with bashing from UVA and other schools all the time. This kid hasn't even signed an LOI and we're getting bent out of shape? Lets just hope the coaches give him a giant middle finger (in the nicest way possible) and move on....

Some say I still am

I can imagine no more rewarding a career. And any man who may be asked in this century what he did to make his life worthwhile, I think can respond with a good deal of pride and satisfaction:
โ€œI served in the United States Navy"

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Very much a 180 from just 6 months ago..went from making his own path to just another HS athlete caught up in his own "fame." Commit to a college, play some social media games, and then burning it down on your way out. Very original for someone who wants to carve his own path...

The comments on academics show the kid didn't even bother to do the most basic research into anything but is just regurgitating what he was sold by Auburn.

Maybe he should do some research into the littany of QB transfers under Malzahn. Gus has not exactly developed a reputation as one who is a savant with managing QBs. Nix is there a minimum of 2 more years...DD could be an afterthought by then. Joey Gatewood eas a significantly higher rated prospect than DD and is long gone from Auburn already.

https://www.al.com/auburnfootball/2019/10/gus-malzahns-qb-mismanagement-costs-auburn-again.html

My bigger concern is what this means for the future of VT; particularly with Recruiting. This sends a bad message for any high rated recruits going forward. It says VT is a team to play with, not to play for. I think having Cornelson as the primary recruiter here was a big mistake, and I don't think Fuente has much more room for mistakes on the Recruting trail.

Fuente has used up all his excuses. If this recruiting class isn't a complete homerun it's probably time to move on

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Spoiler Alert: This class won't be a homerun, since VT has never signed a homerun class. Secondly, Fuente is going nowhere unless another school hires him, so prepare your disappointment accordingly

I'm mentally preparing for VT football to fall into the legitimate shitter in the near future to the point where we may never recover.

Our prime was 15 years and our best days are behind us not in front of us.

That's the reality we are setting ourselves up for if we hold onto a failure of a coaching staff for too long. And given how much of our athletic revenue is purely from football, that would be terrible news for the school as a whole.

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You should probably just tune out for awhile as your expectations do not meet reality vis a vis VT and their current reasonable abilities. The negativity is getting old my man.

If you don't like negativity, an online forum about a program currently headed in a downward trajectory probably isn't the place for you.

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I deliberately avoided TKP for over a week after Decommitment Day because I realized this place has become a net negative in my daily life, and it seems like I came back too early.

The Orange and Maroon you see, that's fighting on to victory.

It's amazing that when Fuente was hired, all the talk was about him elevating our program so we could truly take the next step. Now everyone just justifies the poor results by basically saying "welp we haven't ever really done well with recruiting in the past, so cant fault him!"

To be fair, amongst some fans there were legitimate concerns when CJF was hired that he'd never recruited at this level. Those appear to be pretty well founded at this point

Recruiting has just enough as much, if not more, to do with the school than the head coach. There's very few coaches who can completely change the perception of a program.

That's not me defending CJF's recruiting, just saying that he 3/4 classes were in line with the VT average.

Edit: fixed autocorrect, added a qualifier

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I absolutely disagree, it's almost entirely the coach. Look at what Locksley is doing at UMD, bringing in a currently 13th ranked class, signing the #4 ranked WR away from LSU, landing Taulia, all just two years after the school literally killed a football player. Look at the difference between Larry Fedora and Mack Brown at the same school, or Greg Schiano and any of his predecessors at Rutgers. There are a handful of schools that recruit themselves like Ohio State or Notre Dame, but the vast majority of schools don't get that benefit. VT definitely doesn't and I don't want to just throw my hands up and admit that there's nothing we can do to change our recruiting results.

nothing you said actually disagrees with what bar said, though. he didn't say "school doesn't matter" he just said it's about as equally important as the coach is, and there are very few coaches who can singlehandedly change the perception of the program.... whom you then proceeded to list lol

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He said that the school is more important than the coach, which I think is wrong. The program reflects the coach, not the university. Over the last ten years, could you argue that Blacksburg has changed more than the VT football staff/culture/image? The school hasn't changed, but we went from competing in NY6 bowls to the current state of the program. That's on the coaching staff (both of them) and the recruiting over the past 18 months is reflecting the perception of VT changing for the worse.

I'll put it this way, no matter who the coach is, Michigan, or Alabama, or Texas, or Notre Dame football carries a lot lot lot of weight. Coaches change all the time. We were spoiled for a long time with Frank...we were the unicorn. But the school is what gets you drafted because they have the schedule, the stadium, the marketing, the draw, the history. Coaches rarely bring that.

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Over the last ten years, could you argue that Blacksburg has changed more than the VT football staff/culture/image?

Yes.

The school hasn't changed,

Yes it has. From this


we went from competing in NY6 bowls to the current state of the program.

That isn't completely the fault of the current staff, since the current staff hasn't even coached a game, but things have changed greatly in the game while Virginia Tech has stayed somewhat stagnant and we've been passed by in a lot of ways. The reasons are manifold.

Yeah, what the hell is up with that logo?

We need to invent time travel and get our logo back.

If you're going to argue that we're losing recruits because we changed our academic logo, be my guest. That's obviously not what I was referring to rather than size, location, campus life, etc of the school. And I understand that the game is changing. We could see in real-time how Beamer started to slow down in the 2010s and the game start to pass him and VT. But that's why we changed our head coach five years ago. Now we have a young head coach with more modern schemes who has had years to change his program. The stagnation that we're in has to come from somewhere, and I don't think it's coming from that ugly new logo.

I don't think he's blaming the logo.

He's saying that there have been some culture changes all around. The logo is just a reflection of that.

VT needs to be getting better, not just bigger.

Whoever is working on my graphic design of the Wheel of Excuses can add "bad logo" to it.

Besides the change in logo, there has been a 10-18% increase in the number of students enrolled at Tech. (The numbers don't separate out on main campus versus total, 31,006 (2010) 36,383 (2019) source: https://research.schev.edu/enrollment/E2_Report.asp)

Sands became the president on June 1, 2014, so there have been changes at Tech (for good or bad).

The locker room was new in 2010 and we were proud of it , but now it's seen about 10 years of wear and tear. We have a study room in there, but not a completely separate building like Auburn. (https://auburntigers.com/facilities/lowder-student-athlete-development-c...)

Beamer Barn opened in 2015. It's really nice, but we don't have a 15 foot tall Jumpman logo like UNC in ours.

Cost of attendance became a thing, and we lag behind other schools (like Auburn) because somehow the cost of living is SO MUCH higher in those places.

So YES, things have changed quite a bit since we went to the Sugar Bowl.

As far as the coach and operations staff, we currently show 35 people (coaches, grad assistants, S&C, etc.) on Hokiesports. UNC has 56 people on their website. Auburn has 42 people on their website. So we have fewer people to carry the load. AND our staff pay is A LOT less than our main recruiting competition.

I'm not trying to make excuses for Fuente. I'm old enough to remember how things were before Beamerball and how things have changed, both around the program and across the game.

The guys being recruited by our coaches go on trips all over the country. They see the facilities. They "feel the love". They realize that they can have swimming pools and putt-putt and sleep pods and whatever else the blue bloods can afford to lure them to play for their schools because they have the money to do it. If you were a 4/5* and could play pretty much where you wanted, where would you go?

Fun story. Last year, Greg Schianno from Rutgers flew in a helicopter to flip a 3* recruit from us. Not a 5*. Not a 4*. A 3*.

I remember that logo was debuted right before the Clemson game in 2017. Multiple Clemson fans at Gameday and tailgates were saying how much our new logo sucked. I just said yeah I agree with you there.

I said that the school is 'just as important, if not more important, than the coach.' At the end of the day, your school, athletic department, and budget all affect:

  • Quality of assistants you can hire
  • Quantity of support staff
  • Location relative to recruits (which will impact your allocation of recruiting budget)
  • Recruiting budget (aka, plane usage for you and your assistants)
  • Brand Name

Responding to your previous post, for every example you gave of a coach who drastically improved recruiting at a school, I can give you an example of a coach who went to a 'better' school, and all of a sudden started recruiting better, or visa versa.

Over the last ten years, could you argue that Blacksburg has changed more than the VT football staff/culture/image? The school hasn't changed, but we went from competing in NY6 bowls to the current state of the program.

The competitive landscape is drastically different, and that arguably matters more than the school. It's easier to convince recruits to move away from home because (1) every game is on TV so their family can literally watch every game they play in and (2) it's easier to keep in contact with people who are hundreds of miles away, due to social media, texting, facetime, etc. Recruiting rankings are also more accurate than ever before - players who would be diamonds in the rough are now known qualities. This hurt a market inefficiency that VT was exploiting.

Finally, I want to stress that it is possible to both acknowledge the challenges that come with VT, but also hold Fuente accountable for multiple recruiting gaffs. I'm in no way excusing Fuente's mistakes, but simply stating where VT has historically stood in the college football recruiting world.

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You think Nick Saban cold go to Louisiana Tech and recruit at the same level as he does at Bama? I disagree.

Howard Schnellenburger's career is a beautiful illustration of this point.

Once renowned for rescuing the Miami football program and "building a fence" around the athletes in South Florida, he later returned just 50 miles north to build the FAU program from scratch. (In a rare example where a person was literally hired to build a program- he chose to coach the team on his own after the fact).

While each feat was impressive in it's own right, FAU and Miami have never recruited on equal levels. Something bigger than Howard Schnellenburger must be at play in that equation.

Schnellenburger was 158-151-3 with a single national title in 1983 at Miami. Fun fact, he won two bowl games at Miami and two at FAU.
Saban is 243-65-1 with 6 National Titles and countless national coach of the year honors.

This is not an even comparison. Not even close.

If Saban were to go to La Tech, he would most definitely be able recruit.

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He may be able to recruit based on his name - but he's not going to get the same number of 5 star commits he's getting at Alabama. If these kids want to win a championship, they're not doing it at LA Tech (see UCF undefeated season a few years ago, which, amusingly, didn't they beat Auburn in their bowl game?).

You assume those kids are there to win championships.........
They are on campus for the same reason as others...to get gainfully employed. Saban is going to turn them pro and get paid. Maybe they won't have a ring they would have at Bammer, but they'll have a big pro contract.

And I bet you Saban would be in a NY6 and even the playoff with La Tech as much as Auburn will be there with Malzahn.

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I assume there's lots of reasons a recruit would chose a school. If I'm a high five star, I'm looking at winning championships. I'd also want to go to a school with other really good recruits because winning is better than losing, especially if I want to win a championship. Also, practicing and playing against really good talent helps you get better, not playing against weak competition. Having really good facilities to work out in would be beneficial to getting better, with good support staff such as nutritionists, strength and conditioning coaches, possibly even academic help (the quality of which most assuredly will be better at a school with more resources). Good position coaches who will help develop me (could LA Tech afford good, name brand position coaches who would be able to improve a high 5 star player? Doubtful. And along the same lines, even if LA Tech splurged for Saban, how much salary money is left for assistant coaches and coordinators?). Then, to some degree, going to a school with a name like Alabama will mean more to recruits than a name like LA Tech. Saban would be the ONLY thing worth going to LA Tech for, and I heartily refute that he'd recruit just as well as he would at Alabama.

Didn't say the same as Bammer. Bammer is one of a handful of schools that will fill up the recruiting jar EVERY YEAR. They are a top tier elite blue blood. And, at the moment, might be at the apex of the entire thing.

I said he would be able to recruit. And do it well. You can guarantee that if Saban is there, he has a staff that will provide workouts, practices, and pro prep to the level that will be useful for the draft and the players future and earning potential. It's not simply going to be current La Tech with just Saban put in there. Their landscape and program will change and be brought up. ALL of it.

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Can you share an example of this ever having occurred?

One that comes to mind is Frank Solich...going from Nebraska to Ohio U.
Won the Big12 and was top 10 for 3 straight seasons at Nebraska.
Went to Ohio U, a program that had 61 wins over 20 seasons before he arrived . He's won 113 in 15 seasons. And taken them to 7 bowls over that time. They had only been to 2 all-time prior to that.

Another one is Butch Davis at FIU. Solid success with Miami.
FIU was 46-122 before hiring Butch. He's 23-16 there, with 3 for 3 in bowl bids.

Now, let's not think that Frank Solich or Butch Davis is Saban, but they have a big name, with big program experience, and are winning games at a lower tier program...where success wasn't in the same neighborhood before.

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To add, Ohio U...in 15 seasons, Solich has had 16 guys play for him at Ohio and go on to the NFL. The 25 years prior to Solich getting to Ohio, 4.

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Heck, lets go for the most obvious one...Steve Spurrier. South Carolina.
80-97-4 leading up to the ol Ball Coach...including Lout Holtz!
Spurrier was 86-49 there. 9 bowl games in 11 seasons. And their only SEC division title. He produced 5 first round picks during his time there.

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Those are some very fine coaches you mentioned, but the question posed had nothing to do with on-the-field results. Frankly, I'd like to think we'd both agree that on-the-field results are far more important than Recruiting Class numbers.

The question being asked is this:

You think Nick Saban cold go to Louisiana Tech and recruit at the same level as he does at Bama? I disagree.

Using the 247 composite back to 2002, (and some Blue Chip Illustrated (1990-1995), a National Recruting Advisor from 1996 and Prep Stars for 2000-2001), we can piece together a pretty decent history of the recruiting histories of these 8 schools and coaches (I apologize; I don't have any materials from 1997, 98 or 99; those timeframes have been extrapolated with dashed lines in the coaches' graphs):

Frank Solich coached at Nebraska, where he regularly had classes inside the top 40. He moved on to Ohio, where his recruiting classes regularly fell outside the top 100.

Butch Davis recruited well at both Miami and UNC, with recruiting classes regularly in the top 40. He ended up at FIU, where his classes have averaged out ~80 in the country.

Steve Spurrier isn't a terrific example of a coach who coached at both a Power-5 and Group-of-5 school, but I included his graph as well. Steve moved from an SEC power to an less successful SEC program. His recruiting history reflects this as well (Florida recruits often in the top 15. South Carolina recruits often in the top 25).

Directly to the question, no, Saban won't be able to pull the same classes at La Tech as he is at Bammer. He wouldn't pull those classes at Tennessee! There is only one place he would be able to pull the same level or better classes, and that's TEXAS. That's the long and extremely short of that question.

What I tossed out there is that he would lift up the program at La Tech to a level they hadn't seen before. Asked for examples, I posed a few. All of those coaches lifted the programs, won substantially more games, and sent more kids to the pros along the way. So yes, a good coach makes a difference... And can lift up a program and provide different opportunities for kids. Some don't want big glitz and glamour, but can handle a smaller school. Doesn't diminish their talent, or keep them from playing in the pros. But many that did play for the coaches I mentioned most likely wouldn't have made it to the pros without that coach.

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We have no fundamental disagreements. I'm onboard with every letter of this comment.

I don't post a ton, and sometimes when I do it's to make a trivial point. I saw the Saban/La Tech question as the unique kind of question I could provide a response to.

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If you think the coronavirus won't be used as an excuse by people friendly to Fuente you are far more optimistic than I am.

When the 2020 season doesn't happen and we start 2021 without half of the "returning production" we were counting on this year, he'll be handed another 3 years of excuses for dealing with a young team again.

Forget him. No one will know his name for at least 3 years and that's assuming Auburn doesn't find a better 4/5 star QB in the next two years.

Whatever... next up!

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Lol there is no one next up so far

I just sit on my couch and b*tch. - HokieChemE2016

HH,QP,BB....that's 3

They're the existing guys bro, DD was next up and now there's no one else.

Also don't play like our starter is "next up"

I just sit on my couch and b*tch. - HokieChemE2016

My opinion of this kid has changed so much over the last few weeks and not necessarily because of his decommittment. The way he's he's handled his business with the things he's said and done shows he has a ton of maturing to do. I won't go as far as to call him a diva but good lord is he much closer to that at this point than I would have ever thought in months prior.

See ya in the transfer portal in about 2 years chief โœŒ๏ธ

Tate Martell anybody?

I was done after the tweet "how do I get a blue check mark next to my name".

That's not a dude that wants to earn it. All good though, I hope he has success, but he's not a Hokie.

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one hop this time!

"Why gobble gobble chumps asks such good questions, I will never know." - TheFifthFuller

I conclude that someone doesn't know how to spell "lose".

We gotta move on from old guy sayings like this. It's 2020 and this is the reality of the world for recruits. They are pseudo-celebrities.

Does anyone have a statistical visual of the academics between VT and Auburn? I want to verify he's as incorrect about that statement as I think he is

I'm sure it depends on the major.

"You don't stare into a rearview mirror"

That's a good point. But I'd still bet that in the academic areas that the two schools overlap, Auburn isnt "leagues" better than Tech. (Full disclosure I'm 3 beers in and feeling emotionally charged because of it)

No stats but I have two engineering degrees from VT; and pay out of state for my son to attend AU. VT is clearly the better engineering school. Outside of engineering I'd say the two schools are comparable, though I think VT is clearly a better school; and B-burg a better town. For football, prestige and resources it has to be AU. Nix has a long way to go to be NFL ready. No problem with DD's decision, it's his to make. But his logic is off, and his comments about VT were classless.

Don't have a visual, but it took me about 90 seconds of Googling and sorting lists to find several rankings (US News, Forbes) that show VT > Auburn academically. It looks like he didn't take the same bare minimum effort to check what the Auburn recruiters were selling.

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Tyrod did it Mikey, Tyrod did it!!

I don't keep up with the tweeterverse, who dis? It's a good twit.

The QB recruit that gained clout off VT but wasn't serious about coming here.

Tyrod did it Mikey, Tyrod did it!!

No offense but comparing SAT scores is the same thing every douchebag UVA fan does.

You will see this game, this upset and this sign next on ESPN Sportscenter. Virginia Tech 31 Miami 7

Was thinking the same thing. BUT, I understand the backlash here; he took a shot at us, and people are responding in kind.

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They are responding with their heart.
In the same rankings, we are below mid-pack for ACC schools. (Behind Duke, UVA, FSU, Ga Tech, Wake, Clemson, Pitt, Miami, Syracuse, and BC. Not in that order.) Those are someone else's rankings...but we are 11th in the ACC.

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and still somehow better than Auburn?

"Why gobble gobble chumps asks such good questions, I will never know." - TheFifthFuller

Yeah. I think we'd be like 6th or 7th in the SEC...

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Oh man. I used to keep a running log of the FBS USNews rankings, organized by conference, and apparently I've slacked off for the last three years.

Fixing that now. I might make it a Google Doc if anyone's interested in having all these numbers in one place.

No, I *don't* want to go to the SEC. Why do you ask?

We don't love dem Hoos.

Yeah that's my bad there it was just one of the first metrics that popped up when I was googling. Plus on the USNEWS site you have to pay to get the rankings for each individual major.

It just gets under my skin when people act like VT isn't a good school academically.

No worries, it got under my skin too.

You will see this game, this upset and this sign next on ESPN Sportscenter. Virginia Tech 31 Miami 7

I think it's a little different.

This is Hokies getting hackles up because someone just directly criticized VT's academics, and directly rebutting that statement.

It's not "he said he liked their football better but we're still special because SATs." That would have been a Hoo response.

/spins Wheel of Excuses
//Lands on Auburn is cheating

Actually, that might be true. Alas.

AU's has their issues in basketball, but they run a pretty clean and first class football operation. Less issues and drama in the last few years than CJF's program. Gus is a genuinely good guy, though not always the greatest of coaches.

There are three other very talented 4 star QBs on the roster right now. He grades out a little bit higher, but its not like he would have been a Tyrod coming in.

I mean this stinks for sure, wish he was still a Hokie, and Im sure he would have been a big contributor, but if this is really his thought process, its kind of surprising. and I'm not really sure how it was ever going to work out. I don't blame people wanting to play on the biggest stage possible, but if that's your main objective, then all of the other wonderful things VT has to offer aren't going resonate with you.

He grades out a little bit higher, but its not like he would have been a Tyrod coming in.

He is very Tyrod-esque. He deserves every bit of comparison. The last two state title games were all out wild performances. And an absolute Hail Mary for the ages to boot.

If people are gonna knock him about persona, his actions, okay, fine, but you can't dismiss the talent, and the winner, that is there.

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Also, being a resident of the state of Alabama, that whole article is just oozing with the tactless over-confidence and glib narrative style I've become accustomed to with the SEC.

One, in most legitimate rankings, VT outranks AU as a university. Two, he was going to sit behind HH/QP for roughly the same amount of time as Bo, maybe a year less? Three, to trash a school and teammates you were committed to for months is being a clown. The past few weeks seriously soured my opinion of this kid, beyond him simply going somewhere else.

Overall, seems like someone who is very impressionable. The "starting something" and making my own path stuff he was posting 6 months ago was probably what VT sold him.

Then Auburn came in with a different message that he is now spouting out. There's a good chance this could all change multiple more times before December.

VT fans wanted to believe that DD was a different guy...turns out he isn't. He's another teenager caught up in his own hype and the attention of the recruting process.

He did put "God's Gift" on Twitter. That sure is some of his own hype.

(add if applicable) /s

No problem whatsoever with his choice. Auburn is a better football school right now in a better football league. But his reasoning was classless as well as incorrect. We are good at QB for next 2-3 years......time to move on from this drama.

Lol. Oh well, his loss.

Now finish up them taters; I'm gonna go fondle my sweaters.

They call him DD, and I think at least one of the D's stands for drama.

I hate picking on a 17 year old and I really hate losing a talented recruit, but there are a lot of red flags here:

Tells other recruits to not gain "clout" off of VT unless they're serious about going, blatantly lies about academics and tears our university down for no reason, leaves Auburn out of his top 3 for attention, his Twitter bio says "God's Gift" (is he calling himself a gift from God?) and "#1 dual threat in America" (he's #6 per 247).

We'll probably replace him with an inferior recruit, but there's a good chance the replacement will be a better representative of the university.

If a 17 year old is man enough to throw shade on an institute of higher education that treated him more than fairly, then he ought to be man enough to take the full brunt of the blow back. AU actually has a very high standard of moral quality, class and respect, and DD seems to have much growing to do to live up to their standards.

Maybe he just really like Bucky's tattoos

He shouldn't try to get clout off Bucky's tattoos if he doesn't have the height...

No, I *don't* want to go to the SEC. Why do you ask?

We don't love dem Hoos.

The more situations like this happen, the more I appeciate 3 star recruits that really want to be Hokies
and work, and develop.

This is the most Virginia Tech comment ever right here.

My father in law said that it doesn't matter if it's 2 or 5 stars, they still got to be coached up and that was how VT did well before the wheels fell off the wagon starting after Tyrod's era.

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I agree completely. We need to be realistic that VT is not a destination for most top notch football talent. We need to do better at making hay with the 3 star average recruit that makes up our team. The ability to do that comes down to our coaching staff, and it's just not happening at this point.

But stars didn't matter as much when the recruiting system wasn't what it is today. VT did a great job coaching up overlooked players, but the fact is a LOT more talent was overlooked back then than it is today. Coaching up 3 stars might give us an occasional upset against a blue blood at best, but stars matter more than ever in today's CFB because the evaluations are so much inclusive and a lot fewer "diamonds in the rough" are missed.

Stars is based on recruiting service(s) evaluation of recruits. I don't remember when it became a big deal but as I stated, they still need to be coached up.

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The fundamental problem with solely relying on coaching up players is that it takes time. So when the injury bug inevitably hits, the drop in production from the first string that trained for 2-3 years to the second/third string who are a year (or more) behind in development can be immediate, and devastating.

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Which is why building depth is so critical. We had a strong 5-star defensive tackle who had to redshirt in order to lose some weight and take "mental reps" so he could be a contributor the following season, and boy was he ever! The Edmunds were able to contribute almost immediately because they had the bodies and football IQ to be immediate impact.

However, one of the weaknesses with Foster's defense were the back four and I cannot count how many times Foster had mentioned he needed guys to be trusted, so in order to alleviate this, he had to "platoon," if that's the word he used, the secondary players.

Also, the offensive side of the ball, there was a clear gulf between the starting lineup versus the second- and third-stringers, and that is part of the reason the offensive could not get out of its own way. So, we can argue over that coaching them up is not as critical as stars ranking, or say that having complimentary talents, depth, and experience making up the difference between good and great teams.

Part of the reason behind Alabama and Clemson's success lies in the coaches recruiting top rated players (4- and 5- stars, including some 2- and 3-stars) and coaching them up, churning out outstanding players year after year without a noticeable drop off.

Virginia Tech needs depth at every position, including the ability to contribute right away when their numbers are called.

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If stars mattered that much, there should have been zero chance we beat FSU season before last. Effort counts for a lot, coaching, game plan, etc. Also, in 2016 we shouldn't have gotten close to Clemson in the ACCCG and we sure as hell shouldn't have done better than the Ohio State team that got shit shut out by Clemson in the playoffs.

Edited for random (autocorrected?) bad word and actual meaning.

You can have a ton of stars on the roster but poor coaching and an ineffective QB and basically be Miami for the last however long or FSU the last few years. On the flip side, you can have fantastic coaching, football brand, and player evaluation to find guys that fit your mold and develop them and be a Wisconsin or like VT was in its heyday. The elite teams have both. We aren't doing a good job at any of the three right now.

Stars are a measurement of talent level. With that in mind, your original statement reads as 'If talent mattered that much...'..

Of course talent matters, with everything else equal, would you want the more or less talented team?

But as you said, coaching and scheme matter too. Those shouldn't get downplayed, and neither should stars.

I don't downplay them. I'm just saying you CAN win with lower stars (for various reasons - undervalued talent, coaching up, etc.) but I'd definitely prefer having a team full of 4 and 5 stars over one filled with 3 stars. It just seems like people assume we'll be a 3-9 team at some point if we mostly get 3 stars.

Makes sense, and I appreciate the follow-up.

Tech's not recruiting 3-9 talent right now, but based on the last class and the progress of this one, I wouldn't bet on them winning a Coastal Championship down the road unless they turn it around on the trail.

If you asked me which I'd rather have, poor recruiting and a great coach or great recruiting with a poor coach, give me the better recruits.

In either position, you're probably going to have a chance to win a lot of games, but will stumble against the best of the best, never quite able to get over the hump. To me, the big difference isn't regarding the current situation, but the one that comes after. If you already have a good recruiting system in place, an excellent gameday coach could have you winning immediately.

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I disagree with your statements on those individual games. The difference between good and great teams is in hard fought games, good teams win moral victories and great teams win actual victories.

If you want to win a few regular season games every year, stars don't matter and coaching does. If you want to win playoff games, you need both. You're already playing with one hand behind your back if you don't get the talent to be coached up. We're not getting that talent.

I'm really surprised about the academics comments. I hope we find someone we can flip, perhaps a Juco QB or someone in the transfer market.

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Not urgent to get anybody this year

Disagree there. Didn't take anyone last year and only took Kadum in 18. HH and BB will both be seniors next fall and QP a R-JR. Will he wait for one year to start? Better to have depth imo

I'm of the mind that undergrad programs have never been less stratified in importance than they are today. Going to an Ivy for undergrad in most fields is just a waste of money, but even so, VT ranks better academically than Auburn in just about anything you can google.

That said, the football thing is true. You go to Auburn you play a larger number of meaningful regular season games in front of bigger crowds, in bigger stadiums, against rowdy opposing fanbases that really care about football. You get that from about four teams in the ACC and they aren't in the same divisions, and one of them (FSU) hasn't had a good game day atmosphere since the 2018 season opener.

The truth hurts so part of what he said sucks. I honestly don't even care about the BS comparing academics. I feel good about what we have in the QB room right now and how those guys are going to compete to be the guy. I don't think DD was going to bring anything to the table to help us the next couple of years with preparing our starter or backup. Get me some real Hokies and let's take the damn field.

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The issue is this isn't just a '21 problem. While HH and/or QP presumably have us in a good place in the near future, at some point we will have to recruit a QB.

This very public display did absolutely nothing to help a coaching staff that hasn't really found a solid foundation in Recruiting top-end talent. The list of top players that have passed us over is steadily growing and other than Vice and Davidson there really isn't a lot about any one else on Staff that makes you feel warm and fuzzy about Recruiting going forward.

Its only going to be harder with the next "must have" prospect that we sink a bunch of time and effort into.

DD wasn't the major loss here...we lost Perception which is much more valuable.

It takes a combination of quality schedule, quality performance and really good recruiting. 4 and 5 stars want to play for P5 conference championships and top level bowl games. We don't seem to have consistency in any of those areas.

I don't disagree. I am was looking at it more from the point of view that while yes it isn't helping us it also won't sink the ship. I am also not surprised since this is the story of recruiting for the current regime. Hopefully if there is a football season these guys can play to their potential and help change the perception.

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So let me get this straight we had the worst recruiting class in all of power 5 in 2020 and close to dead last again in 2021? We've dropped to the 11th ranked ACC class and 55th overall. So by 2022-2023 we will have one of the worst if not THE worst team in the country talent wise. Buckle your seatbelts Hokie fans were in for a looooooooong winter ๐Ÿฅถ All hopes were riding on DD for improved optics, instead he made it much worse!

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Better? Whoever downvoted me

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It's May. There is still 6 months to signing day. This is far from where we will finish.

I agree with you, we're going to drop even farther. Perhaps lowest P5 and G5 together? Whatcha think?

Sean

hopefully everyone decommits and we have 0 recruits in the 2021 class and we can just shut down the football program.

If you don't want to recruit clowns, don't run a clown show.

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I think you're being over dramatic about one player decommitting and then committing to another University. I think that, again, it's May and we will not finish where we are, we will be higher. Do you think that the fan bases of Wake Forest (54), South Carolina (57), Syracuse (59), Vanderbilt (60), Kansas State (61), NC State (63), Oklahoma State (64), TCU (65), Ole Miss (69), Arizona State (70), UCLA (73), Oregon State (78), Illinois (79), Washington State (81), Stanford (83), Arizona (86), Utah (96), or Colorado (103) are freaking out about their class rankings in May? I'm sure there are some but the rest of us level-headed fans understand that recruiting a class is a marathon and these class rankings at this moment in time mean absolutely nothing. The only time class rankings matter are when the ink is dry on the NLI and it's transmitted to the Universities.

People said this last year shortly before saying that 2021 would be the year.

Let me edit the Latrell comment, that deserves downvoting... the rest is true though right?

Sean

As others have pointed out, it's objectively incorrect that Auburn is better than VT academically or that he would have had started immediately at VT (a little fuzzier in that maybe it could have happened in an "anything is possible" sort of way but clearly not guaranteed). Honestly his comments remind me somewhat of that recruit from about 8ish years ago who chose Auburn over Clemson because he thought Clemson didn't have a Chik Fil A (it actually did). No, the situations aren't exactly the same, but it's a reminder that 17-18 year old jocks are going to say stupid immature things, and you can't get too worked up when they do.

Yeah this sucks because there's a universe where CJF convinces him to stay, he never makes these types of comments, and does great things at VT without us ever knowing he held such opinions. It also hurts because the fanbase really really needs some good news right now. But I also don't believe that one 4* QB recruit is the thing that will make or break or us. Hell, we've had recruits of the same caliber actually arrive on campus who end their careers without ever throwing a ball in the maroon and orange. We have at least two 4* QBs on our roster who are busting their butts to make something of themselves and are doing so without without trash talking VT or other programs publicly.

Others are free to disagree, and based on some of the comments here, many obviously do. But if it's alright with you, I'm not going to bemoan the decision of this one kid like it's the end of everything.

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But does Clemson have a Popeye's?

If you're not sure if my comment warrants a "/s", it probably does.

DO WE?! Did I miss us getting a popeyes? I haven't eaten on campus in a couple of years

It also hurts because the fanbase really really needs some good news right now.

Bingo. This isn't 'just one 4-star' we missed out on - this would've been the best offensive recruit of the Fuente era (second best overall), at the most important position on the field, at a time when VT needed some good recruiting news. In a vacuum, it's not a huge deal, but in full context, it's at best a cause for concern, at worst the start of a deeper descent.

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this would've been the best recruit of the Fuente era

Devon Hunter ranked higher FYI.

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I mean I think it is even a little more simple than that. After the last couple years we desperately needed a win somewhere to start gaining momentum.

  • Loss to Old Dominion
  • Rash of Transfers out of the program
  • High profile transfers trashing the coaches and program on the way out the door
  • Blown out at home by Duke
  • "And then the big dogs came in"
  • Loss to Virginia
  • Punked in our bowl by a guy who punched one of our coaches before the game
  • Bud Foster retiring
  • 2020 Recruiting class ranked dead last in the Power 5
  • Head Coach interviewing for Baylor job which turned into a case study on everyone telling us why we can't compete

We desperately needed a fucking win. Davis looked to be that win. High profile recruit at the most important position on the field who not only appeared to be fully bought into us, but was actively campaigning to get other high profile recruits to come. This looked like this catalyst for things to be finally turning around. And in the span of a few weeks we went from him campaigning for us on the recruiting trail to Davis taking public pot shots at the football program and academic profile of the school on his way to Auburn. What looked to be a catalyst for positive change now just appears to be another cog in the rapid tailspin that is Virginia Tech football right now.

And what is most concerning is that this is happening right when some of our peers (looking at UNC, UVa, GT) appear to be establishing an identity and getting legitimate forward momentum that is gaining speed with the programs.

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You left out "SI article detailing how players wanted to lose to avoid a bowl game that people somehow tried to spin into a positive thing."

True, but that pretty much bundles within the transfers taking shots at the coaches and program on their way out the door

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Spot on agree with everything here, especially the part about our peers gaining momentum. That's the scariest part.

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Good luck to DD.

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Look Auburn has a lot to offer football wise. He was pretty clear about big games and playing for Morris, who produced Watson. We don't have that right now. You can be mad about the way he handled it, sure.

But likely you're taking your frustration on this staffs inability consistently recruit at or above this boards standards. I think most of us would like to see us in the 20-30 range. Which given the fundamentals of our program doesn't seem impossible.

DD leaving is just salt in a giant fing wound that seems to be bleeding more than ever before. No use blaming him.

I'm long on Hokies and think we'll get back up there someday. Might be 10 years, maybe 30, either way I'll be there.

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I'm with you ๐Ÿ’ฏ but it doesn't make the pill any easier to swallow 10-30 years is rough. I want ๐Ÿ†'s now!

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I don't need to repeat what many already have.

I do find it ironic that he noted everyone will know his name when he plays at Auburn. Uh, had he balled out at VT, everyone would have known his name too.

I get the sense HH and QP will be well known. Shoot, Tahj Boyd had a special and was saying great things about HH today.

Let's see how the next year plays out.

Uh, had he balled out at VT, everyone would have known his name too.

No one really cares about VT anymore. Even if he did ball out he wouldnt get much attention unless are talking about being playoff contenders, but we are so far away from that we need binoculars.

In reality, the QB for Auburn, no matter how good they are, will get national attention.

We just had a HB/TE taken in the 3rd round of the draft. It doesn't matter where you play if you have the talent and work ethic you will make the league.

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I think coaching and scheme plays a part in it as well. If you're a QB, being in a system that allows you to practice and show off difficult throws (before the combine) is definitely helpful (although I'd argue Auburn's system is not the best for this).

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I didnt mean attention for going pro. You get that at every school you go to. Scouts have eyes everywhere. That's why you see even D2 schools get players drafted. I meant just straight up national exposure. Being QB at Auburn means you will constantly be on ESPN, sports blogs, college football talk shows, etc. You name will be out there.

Yeah, as a fans/ mostly adults, we understand this. I think back to being a teenager though, and it seemed so important to be where things were "at", you know? Like where was the center of the universe, I wanted to be there. Its human nature. But as you get older you realize there is no center of the universe, and that sometimes things that seem good from the outside, are just noisier on the inside. Not saying Auburn isn't a great atmosphere or that he won't love it. But, its just gonna take a really mature kid to look at VT and say, "I like that they just get down to business there'"

But, its just gonna take a really mature kid to look at VT and say, "I like that they just get down to business there'"

Lol, nah, dont get into the mindset that it takes a "special, mature" kid to come to VT. We dont get down to business any differently from anyone else in our position. If we were in a position to give the spotlight to kids we would do it no differently than a team like Auburn.

Fair points. I was probably on a bit of a high horse. However, we are a program whose brand identity is the blue collar mentality. I'm sure often times we are taking whatever angle we can to get an edge, but from a general standpoint, I think our success in recruiting is tied to finding players that to some extent identify with that culture and the personality of our staff. I mean what else do we even have to sell? Could we sell swagger like UNC? Could we change our brand identity? Should we?

Have to agree here. UVA had how many awful seasons and still had good players go pro?

Let me tell you about Auburn academics. My brother sent his SAT scores there, and they responded with a form letter that said, in essence, "Pay us the $25 application fee and you're in." The only reason I sent my SAT scores to Auburn is to get that same letter, because I wasn't going to let my brother say that he got into a school that I couldn't.

If you're not sure if my comment warrants a "/s", it probably does.

Well, of course, Obviously you and your brother are off the chart SAT, rocket scientists. Kidding... AU is actually a really good school with a lot of really smart kids,, and their academics are improving quickly. Still not on academic par with VT, though. Point of trivia: Auburn Univ. was Alabama Polytechnic Institute until 1960. Nice, small college town, similar enrollment, technical land grant school. Many common traits to VT.

Something seems fishy here. You don't go from being 100% bought in, so much that you're recruiting other players, to publicly trashing the program in 6 months. There's some bad blood here. Maybe the coaches did something to upset him, maybe a family member is pushing him to do something, maybe he's upset with VT Twitter fans, or maybe he's a true psychopath and he was toying with VT the whole time (I doubt it).

Regardless, this wasn't a kid just decommitting. He was hurt/offended in the process.

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He was humbled that he couldn't influence other top recruits to follow him. The irony is that he just demonstrated exactly why a recruit would not make a life altering decision based on another individual player.

"You don't stare into a rearview mirror"

How do you know?? What evidence is there that CJF and Co did something to turn him off?

Pretty sure AU lost a QB commit and they were back in the mkt for a QB. They went after DD. Academics comment aside, telling the kid you'll play in big games more often, have a better shot at a national title, etc is true.

He was good with VT until AU started recruiting him. People do this all the time. The bigger, better deal. Football wise AU is a bigger better deal right now. Its as simple as that.

If you don't want to recruit clowns, don't run a clown show.

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How do you know?? What evidence is there that CJF and Co did something to turn him off?

First of all, I said maybe - this was meant to indicate that I don't know exactly what happened.

Anyways, the fact that he went out of his was to throw VT under the bus indicates to me that there is some bad blood somewhere. Doesn't mean it was a clash between him and the staff - could've been fans, he could've gotten bad 'advice' from a 'mentor,' could've been something else - whatever the case, I think there was clearly some bad blood there.

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He was hurt/offended in the process

....

maybe he's just a jerk

If you don't want to recruit clowns, don't run a clown show.

"I want to punch people from UVA right in the neck." - Colin Cowherd

Move on to the next one. But, they better not keep his offer on the table.

Five star get after it 100 percent Juice Key-Playing. MAN

if DD changed hearts you better believe they'll keep his offer on the table. It would be stupid not to.

They might. But I hope they don't. DD went from a great recruit and VT advocate to pulling all sort of 'fucky' stuff in zero time flat - then he demeaned the program and optically the entire university on his way out. For all of that, fuck that kid. Is RESPECT still something that's on the walls inside the football program? How about TEAM? This kid seems like a me-first ass hole, and that makes me feel better about him leaving.

God damn I hope we play Auburn when he's on the team, and I hope he's starting, and I hope a TX2VT DE delivers very painful, repeated hits, and that the Hokies win. For today, this is my new dream.

"How you doin', Randy?"

I get that you're mad, and so are many others, but please do better than:

fuck that kid

This kid seems like a me-first ass hole

Or do the same/worse elsewhere. Thanks.

Fair enough.

"How you doin', Randy?"

Dang! They made your post Auburn colors!

Savage.

The one instance Auburn colors are as demeaning as UVa colors.

Come on. He's still a kid. Bet good money that will all did stuff at that age that we wish we hadn't. We're better than that.

Tyrod did it Mikey, Tyrod did it!!

They might. But I hope they don't. DD went from a great recruit and VT advocate to pulling all sort of 'fucky' stuff in zero time flat - then he demeaned the program and optically the entire university on his way out. For all of that, I have lost all respect for him. Is RESPECT still something that's on the walls inside the football program? How about TEAM? Dematrius Davis seems like a me-first person, and that makes me feel better about him leaving.

I hope we play Auburn when he's on the team, and I hope he's starting, and I hope a TX2VT DE delivers very painful, repeated hits, and that the Hokies win. For today, this is my new dream.

"How you doin', Randy?"

Doubling down huh?

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Eh, the lemmings, they're out there. Davis turned around and slapped the program and school in the face. Classless and unnecessary move.

"How you doin', Randy?"

Speaking of "classless and unnecessary"

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Not only did I nuke this one, but because you copy/pasted it after Joe nuked the other one, I went and double nuked the other one too.

Do better.

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His offer is not on the table you can certainly believe that after what he did on the way out, no worries based on what he said he won't be considering VT anymore anyways

Go for it

They will keep his offer. Fuente needs to win.

I'm with French. Cancel his OV and pull his offer. Wash your hands of this kid and show the other QB recruits you're serious about moving on.

I would root for the Russians before I would root for Virginia.

I hope this doesn't turn into another 400+ comment thread, a la the Devyn Ford "Big Dogs" thread

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no hard feelings, but don't piss on my head and tell me it's raining. This decision has nothing to do with academics. Honestly thought he was trolling us with that.

Good luck to him. Based on the quote above he could have just been saying that it's a better fit academically for him. You can't compare apples to oranges and the fact is that every school is unique and brings different opportunities for different people. That's my two cents. Even if it's not the best "PR" statement for us we should try to think of it from all perspectives.

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Maybe Auburn is a better fit for him academically, after all our players are expected to go to class and pass them. Auburn... maybe not.

"VT isn't in the same league as Auburn"... but I committed to them first. Must not have internet access? Give me a break. Tout academics, but commit up to 5 years of your football career to such an "inferior" school. OK. You used VT to get a better offer. IIWII. Don't lie and trash a top 25 school compared to a glorifed CC though. Sorry bro. Enjoy football.

Wait, are you actually calling Auburn University a glorified community college?

The last time I checked they were in the 120's... but please send a contradictory link. Thanks

See above in thread...

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VT - #74 Overall
#30 Public Schools

Auburn - #104 Overall
#44 Public Schools

From a post above from USNEWS. 14 spots behind VT in Public School rankings and suddenly you're in "glorified community college" territory. Good grief.

Anecdotally, all the kids I knew that went to Auburn were idiots. Therefore, glorified community college and no one can convince me otherwise.

The plural of anecdote is evidence, amirite?!

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everyone please get over it, dude used us like a cheap rug, he wiped his feet and got a more shiny offer. We now seem desperate - can't we find someone to get some cruits? damn- we are the holla back girl now.

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Well, duh. If we were in the same league, we'd be in the SEC. Or they'd be in the ACC. Don't see what all the fuss is about. /s

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Or the Southern Conference until 1933... /also s

No, I *don't* want to go to the SEC. Why do you ask?

We don't love dem Hoos.

"The picture of Auburn compared to Virginia Tech ... everything academically was better. Virginia Tech wasn't in the same league as Auburn and I had to be smart.

I took that to mean that Auburn was going to be easier academically for him than VT. In other words, his academic commitment at Auburn would "better" because it was going to be easier than having to actually perform academically as well as on the football field. VT wasn't in the same league, because they would have been tougher academically.

In the mind of an 18 year old, "better" probably equates to easier. If so, he made the right choice for him, and good riddance.

People vastly overestimate the variance in difficulty of modern undergrad programs. When you factor in which paths football players usually take; Business, Communications, Rec/Tourism Management type majors, there is even less variance. Most football players aren't doing STEM stuff where I think you see more variance.

Sure - however, you are assuming that the academic work by athletes is all above board. If we were talking North Carolina we would know that wasn't the case.

someone help me out, and embed will stewart's tweet from yesterday. no access to twitter at work.

someone notified Will that auburn does beat VT academically, when it comes to overall football team grades, or some football-based score. that's probably what DD was referencing, or at least what auburn's staff successfully planted in his head.

while DD would've torn up our schedule, i can't blame him for wanting to play in atmospheres like lsu, a&m, alabama, georgia, etc...over his college career. how many times would he play in similar atmospheres at VT? once per season? maybe twice per season?

I've been saying this for a long time. Only a few teams will ever compete for playoff spots, so the the next best option to play in lots of big stadiums and meaningful games is to go to the SEC.

Every two seasons he will have played @Bama, @Georgia, @A&M, @LSU, and then some unique atmospheres like Ole Miss. Maybe he catches a crossover and gets to play in Neyland, The Swamp, or Williams Brice as well. When they aren't playing in those road atmospheres they are at home at Jordan Hare in front of 87k. Which is a very aesthetically pleasing and monstrous looking stadium. It's just a level of consistently top end college football atmosphere that nowhere else can match, even the B1G.

This is a splinter discussion, but other than Clemson and FSU (discounting since both have already made it) who is the next ACC team to make/compete for the playoff?

/s

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I dont blame him one bit if that is what he wants. But it was not what he was shouting from the mountain tops that he wanted a few months ago. His rep is what took a hit here, but in the grand scheme, it will be forgotten soon. One guy is not worth losing sleep over. Both sides will live through the break up.

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If this is true, our football APR is.... sad

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Coach Fuente needs to start winning- as in the coastal and not losing to UVA or other head scratchers, or else he will be soon getting his wish to coach elsewhere.

This is directly influenced by attrition, and we are definitely hurt by that. It has less to do with players not keeping their grades up.

We have a ton of players who have left while being academically eligible, either via transfer or "suspended indefinitely" or what have you. Any players that are academically ineligible and opt to leave also hurt us twice in the calculation (Adonis).

http://www.ncaa.org/about/resources/research/academic-progress-rate-expl...

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Regardless of being attributed to transfers or kids failing out, an APR ranking above 100 is a big red flag that something is amiss within the program.

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lmao

Regardless of being attributed to transfers or kids failing out

"if you ignore facts that run counter to my point, we have a problem"

Thats not what I fucking said and you know it.

Christ this place is a cancer nowadays

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Yes it is. It got quoted from your post.

the actual quote, sure. The interpretation was pulled out of thin fucking air to attack the user rather than the topic.

But whatever, this kind of twisting the words has been expected as of late as people circle the wagons around this staff

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I don't know what to tell you. You are the self-proclaimed "King Alum of the House Hokie, the First of His Name, Khal of the Turkey Legs, The rightful Heir to the Big Board, the Unbanned, Breaker of Trolls and Father of Gritty", so maybe it's just a reflection of the standard you have set.


If you wanna fight, pick it on another site. Or with another poster.
This isn't going to go well...

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Let's just cut off this tangent right now.

If this is true, our football APR is.... sad

You posted Will's tweet and then left this one liner. Maybe you meant that it's indicative of issues beyond academic. Maybe you were staking a claim that we don't educate our players as well as other schools. No one could ever know. However, it could be assumed, given that the discussion pertained to academics, that you were referring to academics. So GGC's response is appropriate in that it shows that APR is negatively affected by issues that don't have anything to do with our academics.

Regardless of being attributed to transfers or kids failing out, an APR ranking above 100 is a big red flag that something is amiss within the program.

Still too vague to determine the scope of your comment. But I totally get how it could sound like you were pulling a DC and moving the goal posts when confronted with something that conflicts with your initial statement (assuming you were referring to academics).

Consider responding with, "I meant that we don't want any of the factors that lead to low APR, be they transfers, academic ineligibility, or guys dropping out to train for the combine." That would clarify your point and facilitate good discussion.

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So based on the comment that ggc left, the low APR number could be a result of 1 (or both) of 2 main factors.

1 - low GPA
2 - transfers

The intimation here is that, you can explain it away that we just have a lot of transfers, which is expected with the current climate where transferring seems to be more acceptable and easier to do than it has ever been in the past. But if the case, those transfer numbers would be relatively equal across the sport and should net out because it impacts everyone equally. The other possible explanation here is that our players just don't have the GPA that others do, which... So either that means that our players are just inherently more academically challenged than those at our peers (which I absolutely do not at all endorse, and would vehemently argue with anyone who tries to say it) or that our peers have a better support structure in place that prevents their athletes from falling back than what we have.

So which one is it? If we were ranked in the 50s, it wouldn't be great, but it wouldn't necessarily be worth bringing up. But to see the ranking lower than 100th? You have to ask yourself why that is, and where we may be failing these kids (either possibly by having a situation that causes a (much?) higher percentage than our peers of them to transfer out, or not having the same internal help and assistance that our peers have) , because it certainly doesn't look to be impacting our peers at the same rate.

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Blame it on the support staff \s

This seems like one of those things that are relatively arbitrary and inconsistent when actually looking at trends. Would be curious if that is indeed the case. GPA also seems to be a weird measuring stick since it isn't an apples to apples structure. I mean my C+ in physics was one my hardest earned grades in college.

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We were not a significant outlier in terms of attrition relative to all other P5 teams when I last ran the numbers (maybe the Jacoby Pinckney thread????) but we were definitely on the very high end of P5

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including this here -- it's not the team's GPA

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Perhaps take a break for a little bit.

I haven't read the whole thread, just skimmed. Sorry if I just repeat what others have already noted.

He's right that Auburn will play a better schedule. I personally think VT's current home in the Coastal is one thing that is a big anchor around the neck of our recruiting efforts. I'd love to see us with some kind of conference change up or realignment that would increase the appeal of the conference schedule. Either an ACC realignment or a conference switch, either would be fine with me.

As for academics, VT does indeed rank better. No question. That said, I work with a few Auburn guys and they're all actually really good professionals. Rankings or not, those guys at least were well educated at Auburn. DD's educational opportunities at Auburn are honestly good enough for anyone in his shoes, regardless of the school's respective rankings. However, I do agree that his comments amount to some trash talking, that may or may not be related to a shot in retaliation for twitter moron's he's dealt with.

Last thing though regarding academics, where Auburn might be ahead of VT in academics is in the amount of "support" you get as a hot shot FB player at Auburn. As in, don't have to go to class and have stand-in's do your work for you, while you make more money off your likeness and discrete bagman drops. From that standpoint, the academic effort he has to make at Auburn might be much more appealing than actually going to class and being a real student at VT.

This whole thing is just another reminder that I'm so glad that my career path isn't based on what 18-22 year old kids do.

Take the shortest route to the ball and arrive in bad humor.

Normally I don't care, but this just gave me one small reason to root for Alabama to wax Auburn at some point in the future.

And that's not easy to do, as I live in a "Roll Tide" area.

C'mon brah. Ain't nuthin' that bad. F Bama, War Damn Eagle!!

Auburn did a better job selling their program and telling DD why VT wasn't as good a choice. An Auburn website then asked him what convinced you to pick Auburn. Seems pretty logical his answer would tout Auburn and then also re-hash the "why you shouldn't go to VT arguments". Know your audience, right? Can't blame a kid for changing his mind. Could he have been a little more gracious in his quoted reasoning? Sure. But it's a function of the whole recruiting game, not necessarily a reflection of his character.

"the opportunity to play in big-time games every week. I'll have the opportunity to get my name out there once I get on the field and do what I do"
Could this be in anticipation of being able to make money off his likeness? The academic thing is just him trying to explain away why he switched to Auburn. Anyone can look up college rankings and see who stands where..

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I stated it above, but the kid is right. At Auburn you play a great schedule with a full stadium and tons of exposure in big games. At VT.... You play in a mostly full stadium without nearly the exposure and maybe a single big game per year. That part of it is a night and day difference.

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Let's see. So far in this thread DD has been called:

Delusional, a me-first ass hole, classless, a child, a diva, was humbled that he couldn't influence other top recruits to follow him, and maybe he's a true psychopath.

Yikes. No wonder he didn't come to VT. I wouldn't either if this was the fanbase waiting to cheer me on.

This is not a really good look, TKP. In fact, we're embarrassing ourselves. Threads like this make it to our rival's sports forums to enjoy and then on to Twitter for the world to see. Let's be better and let's move on.

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Football forum posters mad at top recruit decommitting and taking parting shots at program.

More at 11

Auburn fans on the internet would never react badly.

This is not a really good look, TKP. In fact, we're embarrassing ourselves. Threads like this make it to our rival's sports forums to enjoy and then on to Twitter for the world to see. Let's be better and let's move on.

Then maybe don't intentionally take some of those comments out of context and consolidate them into one big bad look?

Some of the comments were inappropriate. Some of them are valid criticisms.

Agree. Some folks probably crossed a line, but the kid clearly took some shit shots at the program on his way out.

Wish him luck. But don't want him playing here.

The quote that really surprised me was the "I know Coach Morris will be there for all of my four years there." I wonder if this was a shot at Coach Fuente and "talking" to Baylor?

or maybe at corny?? silver lining?????

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On a quick break from the quarantine rearing of an 8 month-old with some quick hitters (haven't read above yet)

-re his PT comments: "Good morning, Mr. Davis. Here's your coffee. I have a Mr. Laborn on Line 1. Also, a Mr. Slade on line 2. And you have a Mr. Malik Willis waiting for you in your office."

-Love the confidence. Always have with DD. From a football landscape standpoint, he ain't wrong. Now all he has to do is live up to what he just said. He's going to draw a lot of eyes both because he is an incredible athlete and he gets his money's worth at the microphone. VT fans will carry this whole episode somewhere in the backs of their minds for a while.

- I gotta find a way to follow recruiting - which I have really enjoyed since I started following closely about 7 years ago - at more of a remove. Keep reminding myself (and we've seen this happen at Big Dog Programs on NSD, too): these guys are not in the boat when they verbal on the dock. Or when they stand with one foot on the gunwale. They are in the boat when they are standing on the boat as it is pulling away from the dock. I gotta keep it breezy until then. Because this one hurt bad. He loved us like no big commit ever has. Until he didn't.

-Chances we play Auburn in a bowl game by 2025 just quadrupled

You're the only ones that I can talk to about this, you guys.

meh... name a year the Hokies haven't been on the cusp of having a big recruit and seen it change. It happens every year. you can call that apathy but until it changes and we start getting multiple 5 stars every cycle I'm not going to be upset about it.

Every recruit has the right to change their mind up until the point they sign so why be mad?

He made excuses to justify his actions in an effort to look less disingenuous. That standard to pretty much every teenager. why be mad at that?

Not buying the blame Fuente stuff but that's me. Whatever his reason he left due to his own decisions not anything staff did. Unless I'm missing something or someone has sauce on that.

I'll check back in on signing day and celebrate the new Hokies. good luck to you DD.

FTFY

but until it changes and we start getting multiple at least one 5 stars every cycle I'm not going to be upset about it.

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I mean, oh well, whatever. What he's not thinking of is how long he'd be remembered for if he were to help VT to a natty than if he helps Auburn to one. I mean we still rave about MV7 (rightfully so) and 1) he didn't win the title and 2) he didnt win a heisman. But he was one of if not the best damn thing to happen to this program and will be talked about forever. How long after his career will he be remembered and praised at Auburn if he has the same college career outcome that Mike had here? Maybe a decade? Versus 2+ and still counting.

To me, it's a decision based on how hard he wants to work for success. But I'm biased, and maybe off base. Hope the best for him, just not against Tech if it ever comes to it.

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To me, it's a decision based on how hard he wants to work for success. But I'm biased, and maybe off base. Hope the best for him, just not against Tech if it ever comes to it.

not sure you mean by that...he's gonna have to work a lot harder for success at auburn than he would at VT. beating teams on their schedule is a lot harder than beating the teams on our schedule...he could probably go out and wing it without any film study and limited practice and still beat most teams on our schedule.

The Coastal Division hasn't been strong recently, but the idea that a couple of down years has turned it into Pee-Wee football league is absurd:

a) Dematrius Davis is a blue chip recruit. He has an above-average likelihood of becoming a starter at an FBS school. There is no guarantee he will ever start, or garner significant playing time.

b) Trevor Lawrence is a rare 5* that has met expectations to become of the top FBS quarterbacks early in his career. Trevor has to review film to be successful, even against Coastal opponents.. He's still figuring out how to stop throwing so many interceptions, a trait he doesn't quite have a handle on yet.

c) one of the few players to have success without being able to review film was Michael Vick. Vick possessed speed, athleticism and an effortless throwing motion; any of which is seldom replicated by anybody. Dematrius Davis is a great high school quarterback. This does not mean he's Michael Vick.

d) Dematrius Davis is going to need to study film no matter where he signs.

...he could probably go out and wing it without any film study and limited practice and still beat most teams on our schedule

Thank Vtkey, saying this:

he could probably go out and wing it without any film study and limited practice and still beat most teams on our schedule

is patently absurd.

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I mean, you could say the same about if he goes to Illinois or Boston College or Oregon State or Iowa State or Maryland or Vanderbilt or any number of other programs. VT isn't anything special in that regard.

Schools like Auburn love their legends just as much as we do. They just happen to have more of them.

Honestly, I hate the "if they go to a big dog and not us they clearly dont want to work for it" bullshit. It's such sour grapes. Do our recruits not want to work hard since they didn't decide to commit to Rutgers? Or UVA? Because they would have to work a hell of a lot harder to win there compared to here using your logic.

I love how he presents sitting behind Bo Pix as a positive thing

Just an observation but I swear some of our fans are more readily willing to hype other teams and their players than our own.

Joffrey, Cersei, Ilyn Payne, the Hound, Jeff Jagodzinski, Paul Johnson, Pat Narduzzi.

Do we have a high school mister football that won conference freshman of the year? He won those awards, I'm just pointing it out because it seemed as Nix was being dismissed as a chump player...which he's not.

And when other players are out there winning awards, and ours are not, well, not sure what hype you expect...

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Bro hate to burst your bubble but I think he's got a girlfriend

Hard to buy into the hype when our team is struggling to finish .500 over the last couple years with the only elite standout recruit we've secured in recent years struggle to see the field.

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It's one thing to not post homer stuff for VT but embedding pro-Auburn tweets and graphics seems odd to me.

Joffrey, Cersei, Ilyn Payne, the Hound, Jeff Jagodzinski, Paul Johnson, Pat Narduzzi.

The post it was replying to was referencing Bo Nix, the Auburn QB. That's not a pro-Aurburn tweet. It's a tweet announcing his winning an award by the conference that he plays in. Thus, saying that Bo Nix is not a chump. (and the other thing is about him winning Mr Football in high school, in a competitive state.) You can't take those awards away from him. He flat out won them, one of them even in an Auburn uniform. Seems odd that other guys are winning awards while not in VT uniforms........

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Okay that's not accurate though. We didn't struggle to finish .500 any other year besides 2018. Last year definitely had its ups and downs but we went 8-4 and lost just as many close ones as we won

Good news for him at Auburn is.he'll probably be an immediate #2 behind Nix. They don't really have a back-up. That will garner him a fair amount of PT early on during blow outs, and still keep his redshirt.

They do now. Cam's little brother.

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I didn't realize Nix was a freshman last year. Makes this decision even more interesting.

He's gonna be good. He's not coming here.

We're good at QB this year and next but it would really help if we could get a decent QB that we can take 2 years to build up into a quality starter by year 3 (if Hooker leaves after next season and QP is our starter for the 2 years after that, we would have 3 years of training which would be great).

I've always found that the difference between a 5 star and a 3 star is that a 5 star can start immediately and a 3 star is going to take 2 years to train and build up. You get the 3 stars that are ready to work hard and you can have a pretty good team if it's stacked with 3 stars with 2 or 3 years in the program. 5 stars would be great because they give you a chance to miss in other places and they give you some margin for error in your evals but we're not getting em so there's no point in getting wound up every off season when they go somewhere else. Our reputation was built on the 3 star tough kid, not the loaded top ranked recruiting classes.

Just win.

See where Cam Newtons brother, Caylin, just announced he's transferring to Auburn? Wonder if that pushes Nix back a year?

We put the K in Kwality

...you know he didn't go there to be a backup.

We put the K in Kwality

He's playing WR

He's an athlete and could play several positions. WR may be today's version to help reassure and appease DeeDee.

Name calling teenagers now huh? Nice.

yeah, i agree. i understand we're all unhappy with the deecommitment, but CGs directly say: " refrain from personal attacks"

edit: thanks careyhokie for the edit, really do appreciate that.

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Edited to Hopefully make my comment more Palatable to the TKP user standards. But think that a 17 yo young man that uses an opportunity in the social media spotlight to inappropriately smack talk VT, or any other college, deserves the blowback he gets. I have strong ties to Auburn and won't hesitate to share the perspective that DeeDee's parting comments were childish, classless and misinformed whether in VT or AU company. Refer to the Jeremy Webb model for exiting with class.

deserves the blowback he gets

Look, we joke around with loluva. Kinda like you do with your brother. But we are not gonna smack talk a kid that is still in high school, 17/18 years old, a thousand miles away, and has yet to step foot on the campus at VT. He can say what he wants. But don't get into a pissing contest with a kid because your feelings are hurt. Move on. The comments are out of ignorance (he hasn't stepped foot on campus!) so they carry zero weight.

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Looks like young Newton has a couple years experience and a couple years left. Won't beat out Nix but a solid back-up. Grab some pine DeeDee.

Here's some more stuff to stew over if you're bored;

So I guess he wants a free trip for the hell of it? I mean Blacksburg is nice in the summer time but... *shrug*

I mean good luck to him. I'm sure he'll be recruited over in two years at Auburn. This guys seems to not like a challenge.

This guys seems to not like a challenge.

Kind of a bad take. No one says this about the person who chooses Amazon or facebook or google over the early stage start up. The kid said something that made him seem like a dick, but I don't think he's afraid of a challenge.

Edit: 4 words.

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>>DD goes to SEC West to a team with an entranched incumbent starter for the foreseeable future
>>hE mUSt Not LikE a cHALlEngE

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I guess what I don't get is in one way he doesn't think he can compete with Clemson at VT and then chooses another school that continually gets its head kicked in by Alabama, LSU, Georgia, but thinks there's more talent there. Maybe I'm just confused by the contrast. I don't know. Either way, hope it works out for him.

I wouldn't want a QB on my team that fears (Maybe too strong of a word) Clemson though.

Auburn beat Alabama and lost to UGA and LSU by one score each. That's hardly "getting their head kicked in".

Clemson has won 4 in a row over Auburn so I guess Auburn isn't beating Clemson with whatever level recruits they have either.

Joffrey, Cersei, Ilyn Payne, the Hound, Jeff Jagodzinski, Paul Johnson, Pat Narduzzi.

You can tell DD has only ever been told how great he is his whole life. When you think he cant put his foot in his mouth any deeper he outdoes himself yet again.

We can find ways to shit talk DD's comments all we want but he's right about us

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This is the uncomfortable truth. Our roster definitely doesn't have a ton of 2*s on it, but it sure does look like last year's worst-in-P5 recruiting still had some repercussions for this year's (edit: purportedly) banner class

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Has anyone broke down the roster by composite star level for next year?

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Just did, based on 247 ratings:

Current roster not including class of 2020:
0.8686 average

Incoming class, including transfers:
0.8523 average

2020 roster average:
0.8646, which by 247 definition is on the high end of a "mid 3 star" individual recruit

Also, there will be 18 4-star players on the roster. Only one 2 star, no 5 stars, and the rest are 3s.

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How many 2 stars how many 4?

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Who is the 2 star?

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Odd. It didn't update in his talent composite for the 2019 roster. 2020 isn't out yet.

Ben Skinner is the only listed ** left (with a number of unrated players, likely walk-ons).

Burmeister is listed as a 4. Hoffman was listed as a 2, pretty sure they didn't have transfer ratings out yet when he transferred?

Maybe I'm wrong but even if he's a 3 it changes the overall roster rating minimally.

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But it does change the "2 stars don't beat Clemson" when there are no 2 stars on the roster on scholarship.

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I have a feeling that 2* comment is him just repeating the sales pitch that auburn has been feeding him

I mean whatever, that's semantics. Point is that Auburn has a higher average rating on their roster than our mid-3 star group.

Edit: just checked, Auburn has 34 4-stars and 2 five stars on their roster, with 16 4-stars coming in this next class.

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How is it semantics when it's the words he used?

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Pretty sure if you corrected him, he wouldn't say "oh yeah guess you're right" but something more like "ok fine a bunch of mid-3 stars"

His point still stands about not being close to beating Clemson with what we've got

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Auburn isn't close to beating Clemson with their roster either. The kid is wrong the current players on Tech's roster didn't take it lightly and for some reason you want to defend it.

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Defending him about his 2 star claim? No, I don't care about that like you do. What he's right about is the strength of our roster, and he went to a much stronger roster. I don't love that, but I can't be surprised at it either.

But go ahead and defend that 2 star hill you're on.

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He could have left off the "two stars" bullshit.

Fireman's right that it was an exaggerated claim. And it wasn't really a good note to leave on. Was a childish, defensive, and unnecessary comment.

While I wouldn't be attacking him on twitter, defending his statement isn't the hill I'd want to be on.

Except they literally have been and still are close to beating Clemson.

2016: they lose to eventual national champs Clemson 19-13 in a game where Malzahn was rotating between four QB's every series including running single wing with a fullback... if they had a QB that is a good as Dee is expected to be, this game almost certainly goes the other way.

2017: Auburn 6 Clemson 14 and Auburn played this game without Heisman contender and best player Kerryon Johnson and new transfer QB Stidham was making his first start at Auburn having joined in the summer.

Last year Auburn beat Alabama, who was a CFP level team and very much on Clemson's level. I'd wager they comfortably make the playoffs last year with Clemson's schedule. They lost to LSU by 3, at LSU.

They also beat eventual Pac12 and rose bowl champion Oregon, and eventual Pac12 Champion Washington the year before.

They are way, way closer than we are. It is silly to suggest otherwise.

So your going with if they had better QB and a better coach calling plays they would have beaten them. Well then shit use that logic for the ACC championship game where Tech almost won.
It's clear Auburn has a better roster haven't seen anyone claim it is. But that roster still isn't winning NC hell its not even competing for them.

So just went and looked Auburn lost 4 games last year and we have people saying they are close to the playoffs and/or beating Clemson REALLY.

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But that roster still isn't winning NC hell its not even competing for them.

Auburn is one of 16 teams that has met the 50% blue chip ratio requirement to be a national championship contender. Vegas gives auburn 25-1 odds to win the natty in 2020. VT is at 250-1 odds.

DD's statement was hyperbolic, but the point stands; Auburn has a roster with enough talent to win a Natty (they may not have the experience or the coaching, but they have the raw talent necessary). VT is missing that.

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We are barely competing for titles in the worst division in CFB. But their roster and resources are a lot closer to competing for national titles than we are. That's the point Diehl and everyone is trying to make. There's no point in arguing over the semantics of what Dee said when the overall point is the same.

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Arkansas blew a 24-0 lead in the Belk Bowl.

Using that blue chip index cited above FSU, Miami, Michigan, PSU, USCw and Washington all have this magic number of blue chips on their roster but I wouldn't lay any money this year any of them will win the NC. Same goes for Auburn.

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Thread after thread you get into weird arguments because you either don't understand what's being said or you don't care to want to. The blue chip ratio isn't a "magic number". It's a common thread through various national championship roster through the years. Talent isn't the only thing, but talent is a big thing. Would it really be THAT surprising if Auburn put it all together for one season? No, because we've seen it twice in the last 20 years. Would any of those teams getting into the playoff in the next 5 years surprise you? Miami and USC are probably just the right coach away from taking that next step as programs. Who cares about whether or not you'd put money on them. They're all "closer" than VT is.

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This isn't about Tech. It's about Auburn being a playoff team. I understand perfectly what I'm saying it's y'all who want to compare Tech and Auburn. If the argument was Auburn has a better roster I agree. But the argument is Auburn has a roster to get them to the playoffs, they don't, just look at this last season 4th at best team in the SEC. They don't have to just have a better roster than Tech they need a better one than LSU, BAMA, A&M, UGA, UF to even get out of the SEC much less then take on anOSU or Clemson.

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Last season's WL isn't really useful for thinking about what things might look like on the field in 2022 or 2023 but okay I guess?????

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The link given for blue chip ratio was using last years roster, so completely relevant since that's the data we have to go off of.

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But Dee thinks he has a chance to elevate Auburn to a playoff team. That is the point.

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Arkansas blew a 24-0 lead in the Belk Bowl.

Auburn is a good team. Not exactly where I'd steer the recruiting conversation.

Auburn not close to clemson? 6 guys drafted, beat a very good Alabama team, played uga and lsu close, beat Oregon all with a true feshman QB. Auburn is a good team.

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We would have struggled for bowl eligibility with Auburn's schedule.

Bama - loss
LSU - loss
UGA - loss
Oregon - loss
Florida - loss
A&M - loss

Better not have a Duke or BC type performance against a weak team because we aren't bowling if we do.

Edit: take a look at how Ole Miss played under Rhys Plumlee at QB. That sucker might have given us a loss as well. That's at best a shootout.

What does our schedule and theirs have to do with them making the playoffs? They are in the conference they are and Tech is in another. Auburn was 9-4 with THEIR schedule last season. They are no closer to the playoffs than Tech is because of who they play every year.

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We probably wouldn't have lost to A&M

It was the iffiest of my loss list for sure, but I think they are a better team (So does every metric). They went 8-5 with one of, if not the hardest schedule in the country, we went 8-5 with one of if not the easiest P5 schedules.

The link I posted scroll down and it gives transfer rankings.

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My first reaction to that is that it seems like he's using similar logic on the coaching staff that Fuente used with the Baylor situation. Pretty much start delivering on your promises or I'll look elsewhere. It'll be interesting to see how Fuente approaches this because it seems like a no-win scenario.

Based on player tweeters, I'd say a visit to Blacksburg is not in the cards.

Yep. I saw Tapp liked a tweet of a gif with Fuente closing the door on DD.

Spending the recruiting budget on guys that will actually come here. Why pay to host DD when he isn't serious? It would be a better investment to spend the money on a QB recruit (or any other position for that matter) that are serious about signing with VT.

And IF DD did sign, what the locker room think of the guy after that latest quote?

Time to move on. I shrugged my shoulders when decided not to pick us and I'm doing it again.

Losses have consequences.

Had VT won the games it needed to last year, this recruiting class would have been a lot easier. This fall's team will be the most talented team VT has fielded in a while. With a decent amount of experience on the field.

So the prescription for this year?

Just win baby.

So to recap t h e DD saga, is he the jackass and rallying point of our 2021 class? Damn I am glad he is in the SEC! He may never see the field with their depth charts, and if he does, tje diva has a very strong chance of getting the shit knocked out of him by a 350 lb d lineman that runs a 4.7 forty. Good luck to the humble young man. May you prosper. Let's get some old school tech cruits that prosper through hard work and sweat. Got to say that we need to stay far away from this guy, he has issues

I have heard multiple times that DD is going to now get crushed by huge D linemen.

1. That is proving his point that SEC has better players.

2. ACC also has big linemen.

3. Why in the world would you ever think that way if your thought process is that you are one of the best in the country?

I don't like how he handled his business going out the door, but this seems more like sour grapes. Let's move on. Cancel his official visit invite and put the full court pressure on the next candidate.

"You don't stare into a rearview mirror"

No need to bash him. He's just no longer really on the radar.

Kind of like in Westworld, he doesn't look like anything at all to me.

This comment is definition of cringe. I'm embarrassed to even be in the same thread as it lol.

That you posted this on a Sunday morning makes me think you left this in drafts last night after finishing a six pack then woke up and decided "Yeah I'll post it anyway".

The Orange and Maroon you see, that's fighting on to victory.

Goodness..Is this a case of him just not knowing how what he's saying will play when other people hear it? Or is it a case of someone on our staff hurting this kid to the point where he just hates us and wants to say things that rile everybody up?

The kid is gonna be a good QB and him deciding to not come here is perfectly fine. It's a tough decision and an even tougher process so I dont knock him for reconsidering and deciding to go somewhere else. But man, the stuff he's saying just seems so targeted to attack the school. Good luck to him but damn..just want to know what happened.

My guess is things got a little rocky when he decided to decommit, not that he decommitted because things got rocky.

"You don't stare into a rearview mirror"

meh. twitter is the oxygen that turns minutiae into an inferno.

At this point who cares what DD says? good luck to you at Auburn kid. Now. Let's talk Hokies.

Totally agree. The young man chose a great school with a great football program, and he should be joyous. All the best to him. He made some very public and unfounded comments about VT that we're totally lacking in decorum, and has been fairly critiqued for that here. I wish him the best in football and in personal growth going forward. Moving on.

How is this thread still going.....the season can't come soon enough.

If you don't want to recruit clowns, don't run a clown show.

"I want to punch people from UVA right in the neck." - Colin Cowherd